Re: Top things you are waiting for ....
Thanks everyone for your answers. On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 7:13 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > one more: > * attention span and discipline, or hiring a chief that has attention span > and discipline - with lc chasing every new revenue thing, and lurching off > after it, the half-finished meals that are strewn about reflects on the > product. "look! a squirrel!" is not a plan. > > On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 7:04 PM Mike Kerner > wrote: > > > just going off the top-of-my-head. i don't feel like going into the bug > > list, even though there are plenty of open ones, including for the summer > > megabundle widgets > > > > things i licensed that i'm still waiting for: > > * script compiler > > * web deploy > > things that severely degrade lc features or make them unusable: > > * docs for lcb > > * docs for property inspector and property editor > > * script widgets > > * multi-path svg support (i can't tell you how many great svg's are > > unusable, because you can't flatten/combine the paths and get the layers > to > > work out) > > * icon library fixes > > * project browser support groups > > things that are just annoying: > > * filtering/sorting the inclusions for standalones (there's a freaking PR > > for this that's been "awaiting release" for...three years?) > > * all the other PR's that are just sitting in limbo. > > * standalone inclusion selections fixed (did you know that the db library > > is attached to standalones, even if you specifically deselect it? did you > > know that every time you mouseUp on a standalone, the db library > intercepts > > the event?) > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 3:59 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode < > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> 1. Debugger for Livecode Server. > >> Man, what do i miss the On-Rev client > >> > >> 2. Native MSSQL database support > >> > >> 3. tsNet to support HTTP/2 > >> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23355 > >> According to CharlesW this should be easily fixed with a 3rd party > >> library which has to be included alongside curl. > >> > >> > >> > >> > Am 11.11.2023 um 23:43 schrieb Tom Glod via use-livecode < > >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>: > >> > > >> > Hey everyone > >> > Just a market research thread. > >> > What are the top 3 or 5 things you are waiting for in Livecode's > feature > >> > set? > >> > This is my list. > >> > > >> > 1. Updated Browser > >> > 2. Compiler (its important because speed is important to the user > >> > experience) > >> > 3. integrated layering of native controls > >> > > >> > What are yours? > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > > >> > Tom > >> > ___ > >> > use-livecode mailing list > >> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> > >> ___ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> > > > > > > -- > > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > > On the second day, God created the oceans. > > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > >and did a little diving. > > And God said, "This is good." > > > > > -- > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > On the second day, God created the oceans. > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, >and did a little diving. > And God said, "This is good." > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Top things you are waiting for ....
one more: * attention span and discipline, or hiring a chief that has attention span and discipline - with lc chasing every new revenue thing, and lurching off after it, the half-finished meals that are strewn about reflects on the product. "look! a squirrel!" is not a plan. On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 7:04 PM Mike Kerner wrote: > just going off the top-of-my-head. i don't feel like going into the bug > list, even though there are plenty of open ones, including for the summer > megabundle widgets > > things i licensed that i'm still waiting for: > * script compiler > * web deploy > things that severely degrade lc features or make them unusable: > * docs for lcb > * docs for property inspector and property editor > * script widgets > * multi-path svg support (i can't tell you how many great svg's are > unusable, because you can't flatten/combine the paths and get the layers to > work out) > * icon library fixes > * project browser support groups > things that are just annoying: > * filtering/sorting the inclusions for standalones (there's a freaking PR > for this that's been "awaiting release" for...three years?) > * all the other PR's that are just sitting in limbo. > * standalone inclusion selections fixed (did you know that the db library > is attached to standalones, even if you specifically deselect it? did you > know that every time you mouseUp on a standalone, the db library intercepts > the event?) > > > > On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 3:59 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> >> 1. Debugger for Livecode Server. >> Man, what do i miss the On-Rev client >> >> 2. Native MSSQL database support >> >> 3. tsNet to support HTTP/2 >> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23355 >> According to CharlesW this should be easily fixed with a 3rd party >> library which has to be included alongside curl. >> >> >> >> > Am 11.11.2023 um 23:43 schrieb Tom Glod via use-livecode < >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>: >> > >> > Hey everyone >> > Just a market research thread. >> > What are the top 3 or 5 things you are waiting for in Livecode's feature >> > set? >> > This is my list. >> > >> > 1. Updated Browser >> > 2. Compiler (its important because speed is important to the user >> > experience) >> > 3. integrated layering of native controls >> > >> > What are yours? >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Tom >> > ___ >> > use-livecode mailing list >> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > -- > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > On the second day, God created the oceans. > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, >and did a little diving. > And God said, "This is good." > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Top things you are waiting for ....
just going off the top-of-my-head. i don't feel like going into the bug list, even though there are plenty of open ones, including for the summer megabundle widgets things i licensed that i'm still waiting for: * script compiler * web deploy things that severely degrade lc features or make them unusable: * docs for lcb * docs for property inspector and property editor * script widgets * multi-path svg support (i can't tell you how many great svg's are unusable, because you can't flatten/combine the paths and get the layers to work out) * icon library fixes * project browser support groups things that are just annoying: * filtering/sorting the inclusions for standalones (there's a freaking PR for this that's been "awaiting release" for...three years?) * all the other PR's that are just sitting in limbo. * standalone inclusion selections fixed (did you know that the db library is attached to standalones, even if you specifically deselect it? did you know that every time you mouseUp on a standalone, the db library intercepts the event?) On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 3:59 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > 1. Debugger for Livecode Server. > Man, what do i miss the On-Rev client > > 2. Native MSSQL database support > > 3. tsNet to support HTTP/2 > https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23355 > According to CharlesW this should be easily fixed with a 3rd party library > which has to be included alongside curl. > > > > > Am 11.11.2023 um 23:43 schrieb Tom Glod via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>: > > > > Hey everyone > > Just a market research thread. > > What are the top 3 or 5 things you are waiting for in Livecode's feature > > set? > > This is my list. > > > > 1. Updated Browser > > 2. Compiler (its important because speed is important to the user > > experience) > > 3. integrated layering of native controls > > > > What are yours? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Tom > > ___ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Top things you are waiting for ....
1. Debugger for Livecode Server. Man, what do i miss the On-Rev client 2. Native MSSQL database support 3. tsNet to support HTTP/2 https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23355 According to CharlesW this should be easily fixed with a 3rd party library which has to be included alongside curl. > Am 11.11.2023 um 23:43 schrieb Tom Glod via use-livecode > : > > Hey everyone > Just a market research thread. > What are the top 3 or 5 things you are waiting for in Livecode's feature > set? > This is my list. > > 1. Updated Browser > 2. Compiler (its important because speed is important to the user > experience) > 3. integrated layering of native controls > > What are yours? > > Cheers, > > Tom > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Top things you are waiting for ....
Martin, Many thanks for your views! I think this discussion is very useful in terns of both understanding what is needed looking forward as well as making the current framework quality. Looking back where most of the time was used was trying to learn the very basics making your application work in a scalable environment of multiple, up to thousands of users, maintaining quality and support. There simply is not enough time to learn how basic things work instead of fulfilling the request making your application delivering its supposed value to its users. As I sated in my wish list was to make the LiveCode environment clear and precise documented ways how to work with the required environments, mainly the device OS’s, LiveCode server, app delivery frameworks (Google and Apple, maybe others). It took me far too much time to find out all these details, like for example asynchronous payment schemes and licensing etc. A detailed documentation available would helped a lot of time to concentrate improving the value of the app to its potential users. Still kicking around if to continue the job. As of today, there still seems to be market opportunity for a knowledge based application - not killed by the AI ones. Christer Pyyhtiä christe...@gmail.com > On 12. Nov 2023, at 19.09, Martin Koob wrote: > > Hi christerp > > In the past the LC HQ had an initiative where they asked LC developers to > submit a list their top ten bugs they needed to be addressed. They collated > that list which they used to set the agenda for a team focus to pare down the > list of outstanding bugs. I understood that this was to be done again at > some point but I think their focus for the past year has been on LC 10.x and > LiveCode Create and which is an important initiative too. As any of us who > write software know, things take more effort and time than you estimate. Even > if you used the Scotty principle to create the estimate. > > Regarding having a way to register the requests for new features you can > create an Enhancement Request on the LiveCode Quality web site > https://quality.livecode.com/enter_bug.cgi > > That way they have an ID and URL you can reference and share with other > LiveCode Developers. Furthermore, other LC users and the LiveCode team can > discuss the new feature in the comments that follow the initial post. There > is not an opportunity to vote up or down Bugs or Enhancement requests but you > can add yourself to the cc list. In a sense that is an unofficial poll on > the degree of interest in the feature. You can also voice your support for > the feature in the comments and explain your use cases and how that would > help you achieve what you are trying to accomplish. (You may get advice from > other users or the LC Team on other ways to accomplish what you are aiming to > do but that is good too.) > > Posting an enhancement request also puts your idea on the development team’s > radar as they are reviewed by Panos and periodically reported to the team. > There should be some sort of initial response from LiveCode staff.* > > Anyway an enhancement request I have is to be able to have graphics or text > visible above the player while it plays. So to follow my own advice I have > posted a feature request on quality.livecode.com > > Its ID in the database is "Bug 24402” > > Its URL is "https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24402; > > I am not sure whether I or someone else has posted this before. I think if > Tom Glod’s request "3. integrated layering of native controls” was > implemented it may resolve my request as well. > In any case as I filled out the summary filed on the ‘new request’ form of > the the quality.livecode.com site it should have displayed reports that were > potentially similar bugs. It did not do that at all this time which was odd. > I should have searched for some terms in my request to see if mine is a > duplicate before posting but just to get it off my todo list now I posted > without doing that. I can check that later and if I find a duplicate I can > note the ID of the Duplicate Report mark my report as a duplicate of another > report and enter the ID of the duplicate linking my report with that one. > Panos may beat me to doing that when he reviews the post. > > Anyway let me know what you think of that request and if you post your > features on quality.livecode.com please share them in this thread as Tom has > asked. > > Thanks Tom for starting this discussion. > > > > Martin Koob > > * Panos or others on the LiveCode development team please correct me if I > have said anything wrong about using the LiveCode Quality website and the > process that new issues or requests are triaged and responded to. > > > > >> On Nov 12, 2023, at 10:04 AM, christerp1 via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> Wow! Now, guys it is time to make a move! The key is to get this feedback >> registered and
Re: Top things you are waiting for ....
I’m still waiting for the LC Compiler. (My foot is still tapping while I wait.) I’m concerned that I keep getting offers from LC to build my app for me using their programmers. I would rather know those programmers are working hard on the new versions of LC that are enhancements we have already financed. There shouldn’t be slack in the programmers pipeline that allows them to work on other privately paid projects instead of on our mainstream problem bugs and enhancements. Just my 2 cents for the day. Cheers, Rick ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Top things you are waiting for ....
Hi christerp In the past the LC HQ had an initiative where they asked LC developers to submit a list their top ten bugs they needed to be addressed. They collated that list which they used to set the agenda for a team focus to pare down the list of outstanding bugs. I understood that this was to be done again at some point but I think their focus for the past year has been on LC 10.x and LiveCode Create and which is an important initiative too. As any of us who write software know, things take more effort and time than you estimate. Even if you used the Scotty principle to create the estimate. Regarding having a way to register the requests for new features you can create an Enhancement Request on the LiveCode Quality web site https://quality.livecode.com/enter_bug.cgi That way they have an ID and URL you can reference and share with other LiveCode Developers. Furthermore, other LC users and the LiveCode team can discuss the new feature in the comments that follow the initial post. There is not an opportunity to vote up or down Bugs or Enhancement requests but you can add yourself to the cc list. In a sense that is an unofficial poll on the degree of interest in the feature. You can also voice your support for the feature in the comments and explain your use cases and how that would help you achieve what you are trying to accomplish. (You may get advice from other users or the LC Team on other ways to accomplish what you are aiming to do but that is good too.) Posting an enhancement request also puts your idea on the development team’s radar as they are reviewed by Panos and periodically reported to the team. There should be some sort of initial response from LiveCode staff.* Anyway an enhancement request I have is to be able to have graphics or text visible above the player while it plays. So to follow my own advice I have posted a feature request on quality.livecode.com Its ID in the database is "Bug 24402” Its URL is "https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24402; I am not sure whether I or someone else has posted this before. I think if Tom Glod’s request "3. integrated layering of native controls” was implemented it may resolve my request as well. In any case as I filled out the summary filed on the ‘new request’ form of the the quality.livecode.com site it should have displayed reports that were potentially similar bugs. It did not do that at all this time which was odd. I should have searched for some terms in my request to see if mine is a duplicate before posting but just to get it off my todo list now I posted without doing that. I can check that later and if I find a duplicate I can note the ID of the Duplicate Report mark my report as a duplicate of another report and enter the ID of the duplicate linking my report with that one. Panos may beat me to doing that when he reviews the post. Anyway let me know what you think of that request and if you post your features on quality.livecode.com please share them in this thread as Tom has asked. Thanks Tom for starting this discussion. Martin Koob * Panos or others on the LiveCode development team please correct me if I have said anything wrong about using the LiveCode Quality website and the process that new issues or requests are triaged and responded to. > On Nov 12, 2023, at 10:04 AM, christerp1 via use-livecode > wrote: > > Wow! Now, guys it is time to make a move! The key is to get this feedback > registered and - a bit organized.So much good feedback from us all, how > could it be served? Get to know what great ideas to create apps and what is > needed.It is to be undrrstood that making a succesdful app and to the largest > target group possible needs a supported process, releasing many of us > taclking stupid problems.The key is to help us all making a spec of an idea > for a system and help us to understan if it is worth while. If yes, how to > invest and make it hapoen.Best regardschriste...@gmail.com+358-400-410216Sent > from my mobile > Original message From: Paul Dupuis via use-livecode > Date: 12/11/2023 15.20 (GMT+02:00) To: > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Cc: Paul Dupuis > Subject: Re: Top things you are waiting for On 11/12/2023 3:42 AM, jbv > via use-livecode wrote:> My top priority : "rev" libraries (revXML, revZIP, > perhaps others) to > be fully Unicode compatible.I'll add the shell() > function, which is not Unicode compatible on Windows > (https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22334)___use-livecode > mailing listuse-livecode@lists.runrev.comPlease visit this url to subscribe, > unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences:http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and
Re: Top things you are waiting for ....
Wow! Now, guys it is time to make a move! The key is to get this feedback registered and - a bit organized.So much good feedback from us all, how could it be served? Get to know what great ideas to create apps and what is needed.It is to be undrrstood that making a succesdful app and to the largest target group possible needs a supported process, releasing many of us taclking stupid problems.The key is to help us all making a spec of an idea for a system and help us to understan if it is worth while. If yes, how to invest and make it hapoen.Best regardschriste...@gmail.com+358-400-410216Sent from my mobile Original message From: Paul Dupuis via use-livecode Date: 12/11/2023 15.20 (GMT+02:00) To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Cc: Paul Dupuis Subject: Re: Top things you are waiting for On 11/12/2023 3:42 AM, jbv via use-livecode wrote:> My top priority : "rev" libraries (revXML, revZIP, perhaps others) to > be fully Unicode compatible.I'll add the shell() function, which is not Unicode compatible on Windows (https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22334)___use-livecode mailing listuse-livecode@lists.runrev.comPlease visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Top things you are waiting for ....
On 11/12/2023 3:42 AM, jbv via use-livecode wrote: My top priority : "rev" libraries (revXML, revZIP, perhaps others) to be fully Unicode compatible. I'll add the shell() function, which is not Unicode compatible on Windows (https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22334) ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Top things you are waiting for ....
1. Detailed documentation on interacting with Apple & Google app libraries and charging; 2. Detailed documentation on interacting with Android, iOS, Windows (and for the future Linux); 3. Documentation on interacting with any www-pages. Christer Pyyhtiä christe...@gmail.com > On 12. Nov 2023, at 0.43, Tom Glod via use-livecode > wrote: > > Hey everyone > Just a market research thread. > What are the top 3 or 5 things you are waiting for in Livecode's feature > set? > This is my list. > > 1. Updated Browser > 2. Compiler (its important because speed is important to the user > experience) > 3. integrated layering of native controls > > What are yours? > > Cheers, > > Tom > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Top things you are waiting for ....
Hi, My top priority : "rev" libraries (revXML, revZIP, perhaps others) to be fully Unicode compatible. I do a lot of stuff with LC server, and for the moment, my only choice is to use php instead for some tasks. Le 2023-11-11 17:43, Tom Glod via use-livecode a écrit : Hey everyone Just a market research thread. What are the top 3 or 5 things you are waiting for in Livecode's feature set? This is my list. 1. Updated Browser 2. Compiler (its important because speed is important to the user experience) 3. integrated layering of native controls What are yours? Cheers, ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
