Re: Positive Infinity forever
Oh, no, Bob, it is also certain that a genooine understanding of trig, calculus, counting numbers, engineering and computer science will require a foundational knowledge of infinity, for example, why 1+2+3+4+ ... = -1/12 ;-) Hardy saw this in the notes of Ramanujan (“The Man Who Knew Infinity” book and movie) and was convinced from this and other things that he was not a quack, but a genius. This and other wacky equations are used in physics (theoretical abstract?) Besides, "forever" is longer than a very long time. Bob S wrote: > The only thing that is certain about infinity is that it will remain a > theoretical abstract forever. ;-) ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: positive infinity forever
Thanks, Ali! And Congratulations! Ali Lloyd wrote: > > Having fairly recently done a PhD in set theory, I can confirm that the > independence of the continuum hypothesis has not been refuted! ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Positive Infinity forever
(Try again, apologies for accidentally sending) ... typo When you said " 2^AJ=A(J+1)" I wonder if you meant "2^AJ >= A(J+1)" To many that may seem like nit-picking, but it is a NIT. However, if you MEANT what you wrote, then it is a YUGE NIT. It would mean that someone (Halmos?) found an extension of ZFC that trumps (sorry) Cohen's independence of CH. Is that the case? > On May 22, 2016, at 9:18 PM, Mick Collins wrote: > > Doc Hawk, > I'm envious that you took a course from Halmos, but I question what is > probably a typo. > > "Dr. Hawkins" wrote: > > Well, which infinity? aleph-naught (A0) is the count of the > integers/wholes/natural > > A1=2^A0, the count of the reals. > > For that mater 2^AJ=A(J+1) > > A1-A0=A1 > > Aj^n=Aj > > A0 is also "countable"; A1 and higher are not. > > > Yes, I really took a course on that, from the master himself (Halmos) > > -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 -- ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Positive Infinity forever
Doc Hawk, I'm envious that you took a course from Halmos, but I question what is probably a typo. "Dr. Hawkins" wrote: Well, which infinity? aleph-naught (A0) is the count of the integers/wholes/natural A1=2^A0, the count of the reals. For that mater 2^AJ=A(J+1) A1-A0=A1 Aj^n=Aj A0 is also "countable"; A1 and higher are not. Yes, I really took a course on that, from the master himself (Halmos) -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 -- -- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 15:24:03 -0400 Sent from my iPhone > On May 13, 2016, at 6:03 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote: > > For that mater 2^AJ=A(J+ For that mater 2^AJ=A(J+1) ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: beggars be choosers
Thanks for the reply and especially for the link, Phil. Not quite what I was asking for, but useable. I didn’t realize there weren’t any LC8 release candidates yet. And thanks, Richard, it’s good to hear where LC is heading. As I inferred, I really don’t have any time for testing. Maybe a little when there is an RC, it’ll have to be a very small part of what I’m doing. I may download the latest DP of 8 just to get a taste that is not secondhand. Thanks, again, you did answer my question(s). > Phil Davis wrote > Hi Mick, > > Maybe this will answer your question: > http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ > > As you can see on that page, Community Editions start at 6.0.1. > > Is that what you were asking for? > > Thanks - > Phil Davis > > Richard Gaskin wrote: > > Mick Collins wrote: > >> I?m wondering whether there will be a version 6._ or 7._ which will >> come out before the first sanctified version of 8 and when the next >> version (of 6, 7, and/or 8) is expected to come out. > > I don't know, but if so I'd be very surprised if there was more than > just one more build of either v6.x or 7.x. > > V8.0 is the future of the platform, and it benefits all of us to move > away from the expense of maintaining three different versions ASAP. > > If you're able to help test v8 that'll help ensure it does everything > your project needs. A Community Edition is available for v8.0, and in > addition to representing where the code base is going it also includes > hundreds of fixes and enhancements not backportable to older versions, > so whether you begin testing with it today or wait until it's released > it'll be a very good transition. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web > > ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
beggars be choosers
I’m one of those who can’t afford anything more than the community version of LC (for reasons of money, testing / experiment time). I’m wondering whether there will be a version 6._ or 7._ which will come out before the first sanctified version of 8 and when the next version (of 6, 7, and/or 8) is expected to come out. Thanks, - Mick ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: What's everyone working on this month?
I haven’t had the time to do more than a slight beginning yet, but I’ve been annoyed with it for some time. I’m on the digest and there is a msg about editing the subject line, but there isn’t one about not copying all of a thread (which may be fine for those not on digest, but ...). What’s annoying is when someone replies to a msg which has some history and I’m interested in a different msg (or maybe the same one). So the replier writes a short reply which may be a joke. It’s a pain scrolling through lots of messages to get to one I’m interested in. My project is to put together a stack that will go through several digests and separate them into different threads and combine the instances of a thread into one (with ONE copy of each post) card, with links to another card when it changes name (or when looking through it, I feel the name should change, etc.. Others that I’ve been working on, but are kinda on the back burner are mostly math stacks. Factor Trees, primes, investigations into Pascal’s Triangle, an “Infinite Precision” Calculator, Project Euler, things to aid me in developing questions for an ongoing WashDC math contest. - Mick ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Describing LiveCode
Thanks for replying, Bill, I expect there are more than a few caveats to consider. As I implied, in the Moore method an average of maybe 1% of class time is spent by the professor speaking, 0% in lecture mode. I think it would be more in a programming class, but still not enough to nod one out. I very strongly acknowledge different learning styles — I am a full-time math tutor (and have been trained as an LD (which now stands for learning differences) tutor) and I see learning styles very detailed / close up. It is partly for the differences that I suggested tiny projects — I think an approach using tiny increments would tend to smooth out some of those differences due to learning style. Perhaps the teacher could also set up projects oriented towards different styles (the teacher, remember, has almost no lecture-type preparation time and would have more than the usual amount of time for designing the look and feel of many tiny projects and this feeds right into your idea of a variety of teaching methods for Livecode. Thanks for your suggestions. - Mick Bill Prothero wrote: > > This is a great way to learn programming, but there are a few caveats that > might be considered. > > As I learned to program, i could never get thru more than one lecture > (pascal). Ungodly boring! I needed a project and the docs. However, other > folks may have different learning styles. Some may be very persistent, > working until they get a solution. Others may need more motivation or self > confidence to get to a solution. Some learn well from documents. Others may > be more visual learners and need to be shown. > > Livecode seems to lend itself very well for a variety of learning styles, so > perhaps a variety of teaching methods should be incorporated into a single > course. > > Bill > > William Prothero > http://ed.earthednet.org > >> On Aug 13, 2015, at 1:38 AM, Mick Collins wrote: >> >> Just my 2 cents worth: >> >> When I was studying math as an undergraduate and as a graduate student, many >> of the classes were taught by the (R. L.) Moore Method. In this method the >> professor gives axioms, definitions and just the statements of the theorems. >> The students have to prove the theorems themselves. The class time is nearly >> all spent with students presenting their proofs (lower (higher) ability >> students present the more easy (difficult) theorems, sometimes more than one >> proof presented so students see them from different angles). The students >> get a very deep understanding of the ideas involved because they?ve had to >> look at them from a lot of different angles and see what will work. It can >> be easily seen who is working at it and who not (thus providing some kind of >> evidence for a grade, although in our classes, very few slacked off AT ALL). >> >> My suggestion is a variation on this method for ?teaching" Livecode. >> Students would be assigned several tiny projects at a time with maybe one or >> two new mini-concepts per project, having been given what the GUI for the >> project looks/operates like and a few words to look up in the dictionary and >> other places. In the Moore method, there are no textbooks nor >> outward-directed research of any kind ? that, of course, wouldn?t work here >> because of the difference between computers and mathematics, but limits can >> be set so that they are largely doing it on their own. There are many >> variations that could add to the utility, for instance working in pairs, >> where one works on researching the new ideas, the other constructing the GUI >> and scripting, alternating from project to project. >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > -- > > Subject: Digest Footer > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- > > End of use-livecode Digest, Vol 143, Issue 26 > * ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re:
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Re: Describing LiveCode
Just my 2 cents worth: When I was studying math as an undergraduate and as a graduate student, many of the classes were taught by the (R. L.) Moore Method. In this method the professor gives axioms, definitions and just the statements of the theorems. The students have to prove the theorems themselves. The class time is nearly all spent with students presenting their proofs (lower (higher) ability students present the more easy (difficult) theorems, sometimes more than one proof presented so students see them from different angles). The students get a very deep understanding of the ideas involved because they’ve had to look at them from a lot of different angles and see what will work. It can be easily seen who is working at it and who not (thus providing some kind of evidence for a grade, although in our classes, very few slacked off AT ALL). My suggestion is a variation on this method for “teaching" Livecode. Students would be assigned several tiny projects at a time with maybe one or two new mini-concepts per project, having been given what the GUI for the project looks/operates like and a few words to look up in the dictionary and other places. In the Moore method, there are no textbooks nor outward-directed research of any kind — that, of course, wouldn’t work here because of the difference between computers and mathematics, but limits can be set so that they are largely doing it on their own. There are many variations that could add to the utility, for instance working in pairs, where one works on researching the new ideas, the other constructing the GUI and scripting, alternating from project to project. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: use-livecode Digest, Vol 137, Issue 35
Hey Bob, it's not 4/1 yet, ya did reconcile yer on and end statements, right? Sent from my iPhone Bob S said > on openStack > go card 2 > go back > end openCard > > I end up on card 2. Ideas?? > > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Population puzzle
I’ve been working on this one for a few minutes, a few there and finally got it, a month later. Great puzzle, Michael, thanks! > From: Michael Doub > To: How To use LiveCode use LiveCode > Subject: Population puzzle > Message-ID: <23af2370-8161-458a-91c6-22153c15f...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > I know that some of the folks on this list enjoy puzzles. A friend sent me > this one this afternoon and I thought it would be interesting to see the > different approaches folks come up with and how fast it can be solved. > enjoy? > > The 2010 Census puts populations of 26 largest US metro areas at 18897109, > 12828837, 9461105, 6371773, 5965343,5946800, 5582170, 5564635, 5268860, > 4552402, 4335391, 4296250, 4224851, 4192887, 3439809, 3279833, > 3095313,2812896, 2783243, 2710489, 2543482, 2356285, 2226009, 2149127, > 2142508, and 2134411. > > Can you find a subset of these areas where a total of exactly 100,000,000 > people live, assuming the census estimates are exactly right? > le live, assuming the census estimates are exactly >> right? > > This was in the mongodb certification, if I remember correctly, and > the python code was fun to write. > I worked on this using a reduced set of smaller numbers You can see them in the code. This finds ALL sets of numbers adding to the goal With the small group, there were 6 groups of numbers adding to 100 (instantaneous) 1 29 70 1 4 8 19 68 13 19 68 1 8 19 21 22 29 1 8 21 70 8 22 70 I wasn’t sure this was working for the original sum (100 M) so I tried a number around 30M that I had constructed from some of the given numbers. In about 3 or 4 seconds it came up with: 02149127 02543482 03279833 04296250 05582170 12828837 That gave me more confidence so I went back to 100M and after about 10 minutes it gave me 02134411 02142508 02226009 02543482 02812896 03095313 03279833 04224851 04296250 04335391 04552402 05268860 05582170 05946800 06371773 09461105 12828837 18897109 The reason it took relatively so long was that any sums larger than the goal are thrown away before combining them and with the larger goal few of those were tossed so there were many more to work with. So, here’s the code: global goalSum, GSmod1, GSmod2 -- the mods in above and below lines are used -- to cut down on computation, the sum of the -- mods for lower and upper part are added. -- if not equal to mods of goalSum, then -- that combo is not used constant modulus1=31, modulus2=7 on doTest put 1 into goalSum put 30679699 into goalSum put \ "18897109, 12828837, 09461105, 06371773, 05965343, 05946800, 05582170, 05564635, " & \ "05268860, 04552402, 04335391, 04296250, 04224851, 04192887, 03439809, 03279833, " & \ "03095313, 02812896, 02783243, 02710489, 02543482, 02356285, 02226009, 02149127, " & \ "02142508, 02134411" into theNums -- put 100 into goalSum put goalSum mod modulus1 into GSmod1 put goalSum mod modulus2 into GSmod2 -- put "1,4,8,13,19,21,22, 29, 68, 70" into theNums replace " " with empty in theNums -- so the sort will work sort items of theNums ascending numeric put the number of items in theNums into nNums -- put sumsOfAllIndex(theNums,nNums,0,5) into bottomGroup put sumsOfAllIndex(theNums,nNums,0,10) into bottomGroup sort lines of sumAllTo5 numeric by (10 * (word 3 of each) + word 4 of each) -- put sumsOfAllIndex(theNums,nNums,5,10) into topGroup put sumsOfAllIndex(theNums,nNums,10,26) into topGroup sort lines of topGroup numeric by (10 * (word 3 of each) + word 4 of each) put 0 into lineNum put empty into goodSums repeat for each line L1 in topGroup put word 3 of L1 into mod1_1 put word 4 of L1 into mod1_2 if GSmod1 >= mod1_1 then put GSmod1 - mod1_1 into mod1LookFor else put GSmod1+modulus1 - mod1_1 into mod1LookFor end if if GSmod2 >= mod1_2 then put GSmod2 - mod1_2 into mod2LookFor else put GSmod2+modulus2 - mod1_2 into mod2LookFor end if repeat for each line L2 in bottomGroup if word 3 of L2 = mod1Lookfor then if word 4 of L2 = mod2Lookfor then put word 2 of L1 into w1 put word 2 of L2 into w2 if w1 + w2 = GoalSum then add 1 to lineNum put word 5 of L1 && word 5 of L2 into line lineNum of goodSums end if end if end if end repeat end repeat put unpack(goodSums, theNums, nNums) into goodSums2 replace "," with space in goodSums2 put goodSums2 & cr & cr & cr & cr & cr before fld "Content" end doTest function sumsOfAllIndex theNums,nNums,nL,nH -- nL and nH are the exponents of the Low and High -- repeat limits -- -- for a given number (which is a sum), each of the -- 26 given
Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts
Argue for your limitations and, indeed, they are yours. What obstacles, Bob? You show me true obstacles, not just bullshit, and I'll show you how they might be overcome. Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:53:08 -0700 From: Bob Sneidar To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts Message-ID: <8b8ff4b1-1554-4813-9f68-47b55ee83...@twft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rick Santorum is a Livecode programmer?? heh heh. But seriously, try actually coming up with some suggestions at least about how to overcome the obstacles. Otherwise, I declare your cry of "bullshit" to be the true "bullshit" that all who have no answers cry when they are confronted with the difficulties of their assertions. Bob On Mar 28, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Mick Collins wrote: Bob's "logistics" is, as Rick Santorum said day before yesterday, bullshlt. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts
Well, Roger, since you hijacked your own thread ... So 20th century! Speculation may not be "scientific", but neither is "this is the world" (as opposed to "this is the world as scientists presently know it"). See the difference; it is apparently a point of great confusion on this thread (and others). Bob's "logistics" is, as Rick Santorum said day before yesterday, bullshlt. It assumes logistics based on current pre-speculation knowledge, but is inapplicable in the context of what may or may not happen in the future. "Hypothesis, Theory and Law" are fine, great even, but they also have very limited application in discussing what may be the case in the future. That said, thank you for your stack and thank you, Richard for your post. Be well all, - Mick Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 09:51:45 -0600 From: Roger Guay To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: use-livecode Digest, Vol 102, Issue 56 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Thanks for your great post, Richard. Just one clarification if I may. Hypothesis, Theory and Law have different connotations in science. A good explanation is found at: http://wilstar.com/theories.htm Cheers, Roger On Mar 27, 2012, at 5:43 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote: Message: 12 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:22:20 -0700 From: Richard Gaskin To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts Message-ID: <4f72136c.6060...@fourthworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Snip . . . . snip And Einstein's Theory is just that, a theory. It's not yet a law, and for good reason. Every few years we hear from another quantum physicist suggesting that they may be on the edge of something that disproves it. Wouldn't be the first time a new discovery completed shattered our understanding of how things work. snip . . . snip -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts
Sounds like a failure of imagination, Bob. You said, "Orville was probably talking about people who were saying at the time that it was impossible for humans to take flight." Maybe he wasn't. But let's say he was. Just because he WASN'T applying it beyond his immediate situation doesn't mean NO ONE CAN apply it to their more up-to-date situation or (gasp) even apply it beyond his/her/our own situation. I am reminded of how many times (7.3) physicists or other scientists on the cutting edge have said that we are only this ( ) far from a full grasp of the universe(s) (we don't need to worry about those little flaws in our theory, a little housekeeping will take care of them) only to have a significant change happen a few years later, brought about by those pesky flaws. I don't think we have a very good idea of whether our spectrum of knowledge occupies 99% of full knowledge (whatever that means) or 1% or a 10,000th of a percent or asymptotically 0. I personally lean toward the latter end (well, bully for me). Here are another couple of quotations, both by Arthur C. Clarke that whittle my tilly. - Mick (my name, not a quotation) Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. I'm sure the universe is full of intelligent life. It's just been too intelligent to come here. Message: 9 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 08:42:02 -0700 From: Bob Sneidar To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Orville was probably talking about people who were saying at the time that it was impossible for humans to take flight. That is not a statement about what is true, it is a statement about what is possible. It's sobering to think someone so smart as Orville Wright could get the two confused. Is it theoretically possible to travel to another planet? Sure! Is it practically possible? Not a chance. The difference between what is true and what is possible. Again, it is a matter of logistics. To experiment and build a craft that can float on air here on terra firma is one thing. To build a craft that can travel to another planet we cannot see and study from here over the vast period of time it would take to get there, not to mention the time dilation that would occur, in one lifetime, and be able to communicate back to say we succeeded, while the people who sent us are still alive, well, that is quite another. I can empty my pool with a garden hose, but I'd be a fool to try to empty lake Erie. I can write a program to keep track of my computer assets. I cannot make a computer to calculate the answer to life, the Universe, Everything! :-) Bob On Mar 27, 2012, at 4:38 AM, Mick Collins wrote: Talking about presumptuous, Bob, well here's a good quotation to keep in mind. If we all worked on the assumption that what is accepted as true is really true, there would be little hope of advance. -- Orville Wright ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts
Talking about presumptuous, Bob, well here's a good quotation to keep in mind. If we all worked on the assumption that what is accepted as true is really true, there would be little hope of advance. -- Orville Wright Message: 12 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:28:29 -0700 From: Bob Sneidar To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts Message-ID: <2b937175-9284-4c54-9232-ac35c1bdd...@twft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The assumptions in discussions like these are extremely numerous, approaching the very number of stars themselves. Why for instance, should we suppose that any alien life form is similar to us? What if an intelligent life form was aquatic, and lived on a planet where the atmosphere was deadly to them? What possible motive could they have to develop radio technology in the first place, and who can assume that our radio technology would even work in their atmosphere? What if the magnetic flux field of their planet was so strong, or the chemical makeup so different that radio transmissions of our kind would never even penetrate it, never mind be something they would deploy? What if their great superior reasoning led them to conclude that the time, efforts and resources to even attempt to travel at or near light speeds, or else attempt to bend space-time was so vast, and the probability of failure to find a race like enough to themselves so great, and the time dilation that would occur so devastating to any hope of communicating or traveling back to where they came from, that it became a common child's joke amongst the great races of the universe without them even knowing it between them? So many "what if's", so little time-space. Our minds are so small that they cannot comprehend how many factors go into making our planet exactly the planet it is. There are so many balances, both terrestrial and extra-terrestrial, which if unbalanced by so much as 5% or less would render human life on this planet absolutely impossible. And we hope to find a planet so like ours, and then hope that life on that planet has evolved (the greatest begging of a question that ever there was) so like us as to allow any communication at all? This discussion can happen at all because of the human mind's inability to focus on and balance very many things at one time and measure a thesis against all other things that could weigh upon it. We simply do not possess the wisdom and mental faculty to treat such a subject. No, my friends, I think all conversation along these lines is so incredibly presumptuous, it is staggering when you really begin to think of everything we take as a given or gloss over when discussing such things. Sorry all you Star Trek fans, and anyone else I have likely offended. I love science fiction as much as the next person, but I think any race of beings wise enough to comprehend the real logistics of space travel or communication across such great distances would conclude right away that it was a total waste of their limited resources, better spent on improving their own state of affairs. (Let the flames begin!;-) Bob ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: use-livecode Digest, Vol 87, Issue 7
Thanks, Bob, Actually, the sole reason I posted this to make fun of those who couldn't see the difference between LiveCode and Fortran; I knew someone would take the bait, - Mick Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 13:30:00 -0800 From: Bob Sneidar To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: How to make a square topped, round rect bottomed graphic? Message-ID: <483b43e3-91d5-4e77-ab3a-1b67ab05f...@twft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Okay who posted Fortran on a LiveCode Use List?? Bob ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: How to make a square topped, round rect bottomed graphic?
I think I've seen all the previous replies. If so, here's a different, more mathematical, approach that can be combined with the gradient and other techniques mentioned before: The main thing here is a function (pointsOfNorman, Norman because of the resemblance to a Norman window) that returns the points for a polygon graphic, given the starting point (X and Y), width, height, and ANGLE OF ROTATION and the first handler (doTest) is just there to test it with various parameters. Is this overkill? too slow? or what? I'd appreciate your comments. on doTest -- before running this test, create a polygon graphic named "NW" put 250 into theLeft put 250 into theTop repeat with i = 1 to 37 put 6*i - 5 into theWid put pi * (i-1)/18 into angRot repeat with j = 1 to 80 put 2*j into theHeight -- this is how you use the function set the points of grc "NW" to \ pointsOfNorman(theLeft,theTop,theWid,theHeight,angRot) wait 0 end repeat end repeat end doTest function pointsOfNorman L,T,wid,hite,rotAng --creates the points for a NormanWindow graphic (polygon) --"left", "top" (actually starting point), width, height, angle Of rotation -- (measured clockwise from rightward) -- use 0*pi for semicircle down -- use 0.5*pi for semicircle left -- use 1*pi for semicircle up -- use 1.5*pi for semicircle right -- use 2*pi for semicircle down -- (interpolate for a rotation other than these) -- first 3 points of rectangle put L,T into daPoints put round(L+wid*cos(rotAng)),round(T+wid*sin(rotAng)) into line 2 of daPoints put round(L+wid*cos(rotAng)-hite*sin(rotAng)),round(T+wid*sin(rotAng)+hite*cos(rotAng)) into line 3 of daPoints -- center of semiCircle put round(L+.5*wid*cos(rotAng)-hite*sin(rotAng)) into xCen put round(T+.5*wid*sin(rotAng)+hite*cos(rotAng)) into yCen put max(8, wid div 3) into numOfAngs -- number of straight lines to make semiCircle put wid / 2 into theRadius put 3 into lineNum put pi / numOfAngs into deltaAng repeat with i = 1 to numOfAngs -- calculates the coordinates for the i-th point of the semicircle put deltaAng * i into theAng add rotAng to theAng put xCen +theRadius*cos(theAng) into theX put yCen +theRadius*sin(theAng) into theY add 1 to lineNum put round(theX),round(theY) into line lineNum of daPoints end repeat -- and go back to the starting point add 1 to lineNum put L,T into line lineNum of daPoints return daPoints end pointsOfNorman Message: 4 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 15:01:05 + From: David Bovill To: How to use Revolution Subject: How to make a square topped, round rect bottomed graphic? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What is the most efficient way to make this? I thought I could have a polygon graphic which was opaque but not joined up and use that to add square corners to a roundrect graphic background - but it seems that every time I make it opaque it automatically joins the graphic points. What I want to be able to do is have a vector graphic which has the option to have rounded corners on either or both the top and bottom, whcih I can script. The most efficient way I can thin of doing it at the moment is to have a background roundrect graphic, on top of which I can place a polygon line to create square corners, and a white opaque graphic just inside the square boundary to cover up the round corners? Is there a better way? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
