could not find a valid identity to use for the selected profile - again

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

I am at a loss, this morning, to debug this, because it's not like i have
not dealt with this issue repeatedly in the last ten years
lc 9.6.0
xc 11.4
I removed my certs from the keychain and my profiles from the profiles
folder
i used xc to download the profiles
checked the standalone application settings to make sure the correct
profile is selected
i also checked push settings to make sure that the certificate is current
and that the settings are the same
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Re: bordercolor of buttons

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

i wish we had tmc3

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 10:09 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
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> Hi all,
>
> looks like there is a (related) report already:
> 
>
> > Am 09.06.2021 um 14:49 schrieb Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Hi Klaus,
> >
> > Very much a 'feature' in heavy inverted commas. I've tested as far back
> as
> > 5.0.2 and it has ALWAYS been this way. Round rect button borders are set
> > using the forecolor, not the border colour. If this were a 'bug' I'm sure
> > it would have been noted as such somewhere in the quality sub-site. It is
> > not a 'feature' that seems intuitive or even correct, but it is the way
> it
> > has always operated until now. Some 'incorrect' functionality just has to
> > remain the same to maintain the status quo. I, for one, however, would
> > prefer it if it were made consistent with other buttons. It is not clear
> > 'why' it is the way it is.
> >
> > Sean
> >
> > On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 at 09:09, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Paul,
> >>
> >>> Am 09.06.2021 um 05:35 schrieb Paul Hibbert via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >>>
> >>> Like Sean points out, this is caused by the “threeD” property being on.
> >>
> >> I was not talking about a button with its 3D is ON!
> >> Is nobody reading what I write?
> >>
> >> Create a button of type "roundrect"
> >> Uncheck 3D
> >> Set its BORDERCOLOR
> >> No change in bordercolor
> >>
> >> Switch that buttons STYLE to "rectangle"
> >> Et voila, now we can see the bordercolor!
> >>
> >> Switch STYLE back to "roundrect" and if we now change the
> FOREGROUNDCOLOR
> >> that will also affect the BORDER.
> >>
> >> I do not need a workaround, I just want to know if this is a bug or
> >> feature!
> >>
> >>> ...
> >>> I totally agree that setting the "Border Color" Property would be much
> >> easier though.
> >>
> >> So you also think this is not working as exspected, right? 8-)
> >>
> >>> Paul
> >>
> >>>
>  On 7Jun, 2021, at 7:53 AM, ELS Prothero via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>  Folks,
>  This issue also confused me recently when I was making an app for my
> >> own use. It seems like an idiosyncrasy to me, even tho a pretty minor
> one
> >> that could be mentioned in the dictionary.
>  Best,
>  Bill
> 
>  William Prothero
>  https://earthlearningsolutions.org
> 
> > On Jun 7, 2021, at 7:30 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sean,
> >
> >> Am 06.06.2021 um 23:40 schrieb Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >>
> >> Klaus,
> >> Forecolor IS the border color. It always has been for shapes
> including
> >> circles, polygons and custom shapes.
> >
> > yes, but I was clearly referring to a button.
> >
> >> Buttons have a bordercolor property but only visible if 3d is off.
> >
> > AND if they are not "roundrect"!
> > Then the BORDERCOLOR does nto work!
> > It does if you switch to e.g. "rectangle".
> >
> > And that was puzzling me a bit. 8-)
> >
> >> Sean
> >>
> >>> On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 at 14:20, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi friends,
> >>>
> >>> bug or feature?
> >>>
> >>> I have a "roundrect" button and cannot set its BORDERCOLOR!?
> >>> I have to set the FOREGROUNDCOLOR which also affects its
> BORDERCOLOR.
> >>>
> >>> This is not the case if I set the buttons type to e.g. "rectangle",
> >> then
> >>> the before set BORDERCOLOR will be displayed
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
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Re: lock messages and navigation bar widget

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

"hilitedChanged" is currently the only message sent to the navbar
search the how list for "navbar pre hilitechanged" from a couple of weeks
ago, when I dealt with a similar issue.

On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 3:11 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
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> Yes, I was impacted the same way a while back.  The lockMessages
> dictionary entry lists the messages that get locked and it is smaller than
> I expected.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 21, 2021, at 2:39 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Brian,
> >
> >> Am 21.05.2021 um 20:34 schrieb Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >>
> >> Works as expected/coded.
> >
> > hm, I had the naive thinking that "lock messages" would erm. lock the
> messages. und just change the icon. :-D
> > But this does obviously not apply to the navigation bar widget.
> >
> >> Not sure how it would be changed (don’t know how to get to that state
> inside the widget).
> >
> > OK, I just thought I was missing something.
> >
> >> Anyway, to work with this you need to have your handler check to see if
> it needs to run.  Pretty easy if using it to navigate between cards.  If
> already on the destination card, then exit the handler.
> >> Another way is to set a flag to skip the change handler before manually
> making the change in code.  Then when the handler starts, check for the
> flag before continuing.
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Klaus
> >
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Re: Implementing UNDO

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

fyi, for posterity, here is the link to the wiki for levure's undo manager
helper
https://github.com/trevordevore/levure/wiki/helper-undo_manager

On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 2:34 PM David Epstein via use-livecode <
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> LC’s built in undo does not appear to undo anything done by something I
> have scripted.
> My approach is to use a global array variable “u” to store information
> needed to undo the most recent action.  On each action, an “undoInit” puts
> empty into u, after (if necessary) cleaning up anything u’s values indicate
> is left over from the prior action (e.g., actually deleting an object that
> had been only “pseudo-deleted” (hidden) so as to make the user’s choice of
> deletion undoable).  Then the appropriate new values are loaded into u.
> The main elements I use are
>
> # u["cardID"] = short id of the card where the undoable action was taken
> # u["stackName"] = short name of the stack where the undoable action was
> taken
> # u["changed"], list of objects being changed, each line has:
> propName,objectID
> # u[propName,objectID] holds prior value of that property of that object
> (one key/value for each line of u["changed"]
> # u["removed"], list of objectID,cardID,stackName for objects being
> pseudo-removed
> # u["added"], list of objectID,cardID,stackName for objects being added
> # u["cardsRemoved"], list of cards being pseudo-removed, each line has:
> cardID,cardNumber
> # u["cardsAdded"], list of cards being added, each line has:
> cardID,cardNumber
>
> The “Undo” command makes sure we’re on card id u[“cardID”] of stack
> u[“stackName”}, then checks for non-empty values of
> u[“changed”],u[“removed”],u[“added”],u{“cardsRemoved”], and
> u[“cardsAdded”], and uses values stored in u to restore the prior state of
> things, while reloading u with values reporting the state of things now
> being reversed.
>
> For text, I load u[“changed”] with “htmlText”,, and load
> u[“htmlText”,] with the htmlText of that field before the latest
> editing.
>
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Re: Implementing UNDO

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

I _think_ that there might also be an undo manager built into levure, if
you are interested.

On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 9:20 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
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> Hi Craig,
>
> > Am 21.05.2021 um 15:12 schrieb Craig Newman via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Klaus.
> >
> > What are you doing here on the dark side??
>
> Oh, come on!
>
> > Do you mean something like this, with a field and a button?  in the card
> script:
> >
> > on textChanged
> > set the currentText of this cd to fld 1
> > end textChanged
> >
> > on undoText
> > get the currentText of this cd
> > delete the last word of it
> > set the text of fld 1 to it
> > set the currentText of this cd to it
> > end undoText
> >
> > and in the button:
> > on mouseUp
> >  undoText
> > end mouseUp
>
> OK, something like this, but for graphics, images etc., too. 8-)
> Some general hints will be OK.
>
> Except for TEXT I don't have a clue yet.
> Maybe store "the properties of xyz" and re-apply them when the user hits
> CMD-Z?
>
> > Craig
> >
> >> On May 21, 2021, at 7:48 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi friends,
> >>
> >> any hints on how to implement some UNDO mechanism into a LC standalone?
> >> The stack(s) in question will not only handle TEXT...
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
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Re: XCode command line tools 12

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I disagree with not putting it in your applications folder. What I will do,
instead, is rename the folder to "XCode"+version

On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 8:09 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
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> This has worked for me.
>
> 1) Never upgrade or install Xcode from the app store.
> 2) Download from developer site.
> 3) NEVER put xcode.app in the Applications folder.
> 4) I made a new folder with all the Xcode versions I need. Rename every
> download with a version number suffix.
> 5) Open up downloaded versions after rename. This will finish the
> installation.
> 6) Now for the magic at command prompt:
> This will show what tools LC will use for building==> xcode-select
> --print-path
> This will set the tools that LC will use for building==> sudo xcpde-slect
> -switch "path to xcode.app version to build with"
>
> You will see if the version of Xcode is supported on your version of Mac OS
> when doing step 5 above.
> In setting On the "mobile support" pane of prefs you can add several
> version
> of Xcode to support older simulators and sdks
>
> I have Xcode 8.2.1, 9.2, 10.1 and 11.3.1 on my Mojave Mac. This give me
> 10.2,11.2,21.1 and 13.1 simulators.
>
> I will be upgrading to Catalina shortly. Why, because I have to...
>
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf
> Of J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 3:09 PM
> To: LiveCode Mailing List
> Cc: J. Landman Gay
> Subject: XCode command line tools 12
>
> I'm still debating what to do about XCode on a Mojave machine. Couple of
> questions:
>
> 1. LC says to use 12.1 but the latest command line tools are 12.5. Is 12.1
> specifically required or is a newer version okay? 12.1 was a GM seed but
> was
> quickly updated to 12.2.
>
> 2. The main question: I've downloaded the tools manually and I could run
> the
> package installer to install them. What would happen if I install the 12.x
> tools on a Mojave machine?
>
> Could I rename the old folder, install the new tools, and if it breaks, put
> the old folder back? Does anyone know if this will work, or do I need to
> make the plunge and see what happens?
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Re: navbar pre hiliteChanged

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

memo for the next person who discovers this thread:
1. as has been previously discussed in other threads, the navigation bar
receives the hiliteChanged message even if the hilite does not change
(which happens when the user taps on the currently hilited segment)
2. in my testing in 9.6.x, if you set/reset the hilitedItem or the
hilitedItemName early enough in the handler, most of the time that will
take effect before the screen redraws, so the user will not see the blink
from the original tap. it's not perfect, but it might be good enough.

On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 12:47 PM Mike Kerner 
wrote:

> How do you handle the situation where a user taps on the navBar but you
> want to intercept and cancel it?
> Example: User clicks on the navBar to switch cards, but there is an error
> on the existing card, so the navigation and the hilite changing should be
> stopped.
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navbar pre hiliteChanged

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

How do you handle the situation where a user taps on the navBar but you
want to intercept and cancel it?
Example: User clicks on the navBar to switch cards, but there is an error
on the existing card, so the navigation and the hilite changing should be
stopped.
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Re: 9.6.0 simulator issue

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

otay, let's see:
quitting LC and restarting seems to get it over the hump.

On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:41 PM Mike Kerner 
wrote:

> what do you mean - reloaded as in reinstalled xcode or just restarted LC?
>
> On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:39 PM Mark Smith via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> I have seen this problem as well, rebooted, reloaded everything and it
>> worked. You might want to try that. Simulator first, then load the app and
>> try the Test button.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> > On May 7, 2021, at 7:28 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Since 9.6.2 is giving me issues, I decided to try the simulator in
>> 9.6.0.
>> > That is giving me
>> > "Unable to start simulator: 634,0,0,unknown
>> > C++ exception
>> > 573,263,1,revPhoneSetSimulatorSDK"
>> >
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Re: 9.6.0 simulator issue

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

what do you mean - reloaded as in reinstalled xcode or just restarted LC?

On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:39 PM Mark Smith via use-livecode <
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> Hi Mike,
>
> I have seen this problem as well, rebooted, reloaded everything and it
> worked. You might want to try that. Simulator first, then load the app and
> try the Test button.
>
> Mark
>
> > On May 7, 2021, at 7:28 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Since 9.6.2 is giving me issues, I decided to try the simulator in 9.6.0.
> > That is giving me
> > "Unable to start simulator: 634,0,0,unknown
> > C++ exception
> > 573,263,1,revPhoneSetSimulatorSDK"
> >
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9.6.0 simulator issue

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

Since 9.6.2 is giving me issues, I decided to try the simulator in 9.6.0.
That is giving me
"Unable to start simulator: 634,0,0,unknown
C++ exception
573,263,1,revPhoneSetSimulatorSDK"

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9.6.2 rc5/xcode 12.1 ipad simulator

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

I'm getting an error when trying to fire up the simulator:
"Booting available device failed with error:  Boot a device"
In case I was missing a simulator, I fired up XC and then made sure that
the ios simulator for 14.0 was installed, but no joy.

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Re: dg with native controls in template

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

The layering was what I was concerned about, too.

On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 1:24 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
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> I’m going to say that with the way the DG manages controls it would be an
> uphill battle to get something native to work.  One of the native widgets
> may work, but I have not purchased that set to test it out.  The one
> potential issue would be layers.  Since native controls layer on top of LC
> controls, if the control was supposed to be partially visible it may be
> fully visible (not sure if the group would clip it properly).
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 30, 2021, at 9:47 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > not a terrible idea.
> > We could probably also just set the hilite of a row.
> > Something I've never tried: different hilite colors based on values in
> the
> > rows...
> >
> >> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 3:48 PM Mark Smith via use-livecode <
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> >> You can put an SVG Icon or a graphic image into a DG column, would
> either
> >> of those work? Then you just need to script the behaviour of the widget
> or
> >> graphic when it’s tapped on. I do something similar with check and
> uncheck
> >> SVG icons.
> >>
> >>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 8:23 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
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> >>> Let's say we want to have a scrolling area, like a DG, and we want one
> of
> >>> the columns in that thing to be a native radio button on mobile, which
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> >>> I'm not aware of a way to do that in LC at present.
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Re: dg with native controls in template

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not a terrible idea.
We could probably also just set the hilite of a row.
Something I've never tried: different hilite colors based on values in the
rows...

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> You can put an SVG Icon or a graphic image into a DG column, would either
> of those work? Then you just need to script the behaviour of the widget or
> graphic when it’s tapped on. I do something similar with check and uncheck
> SVG icons.
>
> > On Apr 29, 2021, at 8:23 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Let's say we want to have a scrolling area, like a DG, and we want one of
> > the columns in that thing to be a native radio button on mobile, which we
> > can activate with touch.
> > I'm not aware of a way to do that in LC at present.
> > Yes?
> > No?
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dg with native controls in template

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Let's say we want to have a scrolling area, like a DG, and we want one of
the columns in that thing to be a native radio button on mobile, which we
can activate with touch.
I'm not aware of a way to do that in LC at present.
Yes?
No?
Maybe so?
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ios field widget

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

I'm working on moving a tmc2 project to widgets and I noticed for the first
time that there isn't an ios field widget. There's an android field widget
and an macos field widget, but no ios field widget.
Obviously we can code one out, but does someone have a widget? Are there
any widget collections? Bonus points - are there x-platform UI widgets?
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inputEndEditing out of sequence?

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

Can someone else test this?
9.6.0 ios
create a native field
have a button that navigates to another card
in the script of the card with the field put an onInputEditing handler
enter something into the native field
hit the button
does the onInputEditing fire before or after the card transition?
For me, it is firing after the card transition.

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Re: USA OSHA ITA Reporting

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Well, I see that what I meant to ask and what I actually asked were not the
same thing.  What I meant to ask was whether anyone has implemented the ITA
API.  Sorry that was not clear.
No, we do not have a solution.  Since you don't use ITA, I'm not going to
go into details, besides saying that ITA is broken, and the only suggestion
that the help desk has supplied is "keep trying", even though the site has
been broken for a week, and may no be fixed in the foreseeable future.  As
I'm assuming that, like you, most people have not heard of ITA, we're
slogging through the API, now.

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> Hi Mike,
>
> You could have led with that information.
>
> You aren’t new to the process, and you
> have one solution, and a possible second.
> What do you need?
>
> Are you trying to find an app that already
> uses the API?
>
> Rick
>
> > On Mar 5, 2021, at 9:33 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > rick,
> > ITA reporting is not new.  it has been a requirement for years.  we
> > generally just upload a csv.  i didn't realize there was an API for using
> > it, so I immediately became interested.
> >
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Re: USA OSHA ITA Reporting

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

rick,
ITA reporting is not new.  it has been a requirement for years.  we
generally just upload a csv.  i didn't realize there was an API for using
it, so I immediately became interested.

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> How many employees do you have?
>
> Their website is a bit confusing just
> as other government websites.
>
> Some of it refers to having more than 250
> employees, and I also saw something
> about 19 or more.
>
> If you are a small shop you may not
> have to submit anything.
>
> Rick
>
> > On Mar 4, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > For anyone in the USA who is subject to OSHA's ITA reporting, have you
> > implemented a solution that you would be willing to share?
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USA OSHA ITA Reporting

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For anyone in the USA who is subject to OSHA's ITA reporting, have you
implemented a solution that you would be willing to share?
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Re: New MacBook Pro Results

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the good news is that both are just normal stacks (as is tmControls/2), so
you should be able to fix them.

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> Thought some of you might like to know, LC 6.0 works fine in MacOS Big Sur
> on the new MacBook Pro. The only problem I’ve encountered so far is a minor
> glitch with Scott Rossi’s tmEffects and tmAlign, my favorite plugins. They
> both now display a slightly larger white backdrop. Annoying, but they work
> just fine. I sure do miss Scott!
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apns

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has anyone worked out the new way to do apns?  since apple is dumping the
old way...

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Re: reading QR-code on Mac from an imported image

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why not ask LC if they will compile the external from ios to macos?

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 1:43 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
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> Right, no idea. I've heard the barcode reader can read QR codes but that
> requires camera access and is for scanning external images. I've never
> heard of a utility that can read the binary content of an image to
> interpret a code.
>
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> On November 23, 2020 8:27:03 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode
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>
> > No idea? Anyone?
> >
> >> Am 20.11.2020 um 19:16 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode
> >> :
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> ist is possible to read the QR-code from an imported image
> >> on the Mac? If yes, how?
> >> The dictionary did not really enlighten me...
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance!
> >>
> >>
> >> Best
> >>
> >> Klaus
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Re: Hacktoberfest is coming

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and it's the first day of hacktoberfest
so get your fingers over to https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com to
register
then make four pull requests during october, and score a free 2020
hacktoberfest t-shirt
update the LC IDE!  improve something in the docs!  make mobile datagrids
work for both scrolling and dragging!
any any any any public repo on github will do

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 7:56 PM Mike Kerner 
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> It's almost here - Hacktoberfest 2020!
> And now registration is open
> https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com
> All you have to do is register, then make a total of four pull requests to
> any public repo during the month of October.
> Pull requests can be updating LiveCode's documentation, making a
> contribution to any of the many liveCode related open source projects, or
> for that matter, any open source project on GitHub
> If you complete four pull requests, you will be able to choose to receive
> a Hacktoberfest 2020 T-shirt or have event organizers plant a tree in your
> name.
> Read the blog post here :
> https://www.digitalocean.com/blog/announcing-hacktoberfest-2020/
> Get
> To
> HACKING
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:16 AM Mike Kerner 
> wrote:
>
>> it's yours until you get a cease and desist letter.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 1:06 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That's really an old saying?? I came up with the saying People don't
>>> change until it hurts not to. I thought I was being pithy.
>>>
>>> Bob S
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Sep 3, 2020, at 13:40 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Like the old saying goes, "Change occurs when the pain of changing is
>>> finally exceeded by the pain of not changing."
>>> >
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>
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Re: Hacktoberfest is coming

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It's almost here - Hacktoberfest 2020!
And now registration is open
https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com
All you have to do is register, then make a total of four pull requests to
any public repo during the month of October.
Pull requests can be updating LiveCode's documentation, making a
contribution to any of the many liveCode related open source projects, or
for that matter, any open source project on GitHub
If you complete four pull requests, you will be able to choose to receive a
Hacktoberfest 2020 T-shirt or have event organizers plant a tree in your
name.
Read the blog post here :
https://www.digitalocean.com/blog/announcing-hacktoberfest-2020/
Get
To
HACKING



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> it's yours until you get a cease and desist letter.
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 1:06 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> That's really an old saying?? I came up with the saying People don't
>> change until it hurts not to. I thought I was being pithy.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 3, 2020, at 13:40 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Like the old saying goes, "Change occurs when the pain of changing is
>> finally exceeded by the pain of not changing."
>> >
>> > --
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>> > Fourth World Systems
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Re: Hacktoberfest is coming

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it's yours until you get a cease and desist letter.

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> That's really an old saying?? I came up with the saying People don't
> change until it hurts not to. I thought I was being pithy.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Sep 3, 2020, at 13:40 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Like the old saying goes, "Change occurs when the pain of changing is
> finally exceeded by the pain of not changing."
> >
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Re: Hacktoberfest is coming

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it's not the engine, it's the ide portion, which is not binary.
in addition, as it is a fork, it would be maintained in parallel with the
LC version, so when LC releases an update, beta or otherwise to the ide,
you would merge it into the fork, and review all the diffs.
in some other projects, the community fork thus becomes the major branch
and the community becomes the major maintainers of the fork.
i'm not saying it's easy, and i am by no means volunteering to do it.  it's
a suggestion for the community to consider:  if we are jointly frustrated
with LC's IDE and the progress it is making, especially in accepting and
integrating PR's, then we do have the option of forking it, perhaps for the
purpose of fast-tracking updates, experimental features, etc.
things that might appeal to an audience of developers:
* PR's issued for open bug reports, e.g. mobile scrolling (PR issued
in...June, I think?)
* Project Browser
* Code folding
* Speed in the script editor
It's not like there aren't multiple independent projects going on that
couldn't make this effort better.  Some of those are:
Navigator
Baker's Assistant
Any of Bernd's proposed SE updates

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> Mike Kerner wrote:
>
>  > there isn't any reason why we can't have a fork of the ide that
>  > doesn't sit around waiting for themuns to say "ok".
>
> I've considered this myself, but maintaining something as complex as
> LC's IDE is no small task.  In fact, I'm finding it less time consuming
> to replace portions as I need them than to prowl around in that complex
> code.
>
> But even if someone had the time for to maintain a fork of the IDE (and
> you might get some assistance on that from others if you do), engine
> pull requests would still be in queue with the mother ship.  Few in our
> community have the C++ skills to do serious work on the engine, and the
> GPL license would make using such a community project a non-starter for
> most license holders.
>
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Re: Hacktoberfest is coming

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there isn't any reason why we can't have a fork of the ide that doesn't sit
around waiting for themuns to say "ok".

On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 1:36 PM Tom Glod via use-livecode <
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> H. good question Mark...I certainly don't want to do any work thats
> going to sit there for a year+
>
> Maybe someone from the mothership can give a yay or nay.
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 10:55 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
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>
> > On 8/27/20 9:05 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> >
> > > Please discuss, here, add a repo and/or an update that you would like
> to
> > > see to a particular repo (include a link to the repo), and let's see if
> > we
> > > can get a bunch of LC Hackers, this year.
> > >
> >
> > Kind of an exercise in futility, though, no?
> > I submitted... let's see... (goes off and counts)... nine pull requests
> > against LC last October (two for the engine, seven for the IDE) and
> > they're still sitting in the hopper waiting to be reviewed.
> > Why bother "fixing" things when nobody's paying attention?
> >
> > (the above is somewhat rhetorical since I just submitted another PR
> > earlier today.. not that I expect any action on it)
> >
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Re: Layers in PBrowser

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The pb sucks.
however, HACKTOERFEST IS COMING!  Issue some PR's to fix the PB in
Hacktober, get some swag...
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Re: DataGrid 2 swipe actions

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

I don't think so.  The scroller is a separate native object that overlays
the rest of the interface.  On desktop, the scrolling is handled by the
object with the scrollbar.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 5:09 AM Mark Smith via use-livecode <
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> Is there not a way to just disable the scrollbar (hide it?) and still have
> scrolling enabled? I am trying to do something similar in iOS and thought I
> would try:
>
> set the dgprop["show vscrollbar"] of group "Datagrid 1" to false
> set the dgProp["scroll when vscrollbar is hidden"] of group "DataGrid 1"
> to true
>
> And while it worked as desired in the development environment and when
> compiling to macOS (by hiding the scrollbar and allowing swipes to scroll
> the list), when compiled to iOS no scrolling was possible at all?
>
> Mark
>
>
> > On Aug 27, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >Previously, a data grid's mobile scroller was getting in the way of
> >reorder and swipe actions.
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Re: DataGrid 2 swipe actions

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

are you sure that's a good idea?  michael's PR breaks mobile scrolling.
 i'm all ears on how mobile scrolling can work without delayTouches set to
true.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 4:24 PM Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
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> Heh - well I said ‘well structured’ not ‘literary’...
>
> Although that being said, the ‘singular’ noun ‘drag’ has a plural and I
> believe it is ‘drags’...
>
> e.g. ‘It took several drags of her long fingernails down the blackboard to
> make the class pay attention’ ;)
>
> If your fix works for you - great...
>
> Unfortunately it breaks some functionality for others so isn’t mergeable
> as it stands.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 27 Aug 2020, at 20:58, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Don't be telling me about "well structured commit titles".  There is
> > nothing clear in that title, unless British is your first language, and
> > English is your second, and in British we add an "s" on the ends of every
> > singulars nouns, and peoples speak with a lisps.
> > In the meantime(s), setting the delayTouches to false(s) on a DG(s)
> breaks
> > scrolling(s), thus my PR(s), from however-long-ago it(s) was. :-P
> > Tag.  You(s)'re it(s)
> >
> >> On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 2:17 PM Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 2020-08-27 17:07, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> >>> name's mikey.  y'all can call me...
> >>> mikey
> >>>
> >>> howdy.
> >>>
> >>> i think it was just one line of code, too, right?  it was just a matter
> >>> of
> >>> setting the delayTouches to true.  i have no idea why it was originally
> >>> "false".
> >>
> >> Well, the advantage of generally trying to make sure all substantive
> >> changes made to the source have well structured commit titles and decent
> >> descriptions in the body means its easy to find out by grokking `git
> >> log` :D
> >>
> >> It was changed precisely because of the issues Andrew pointed out with
> >> DG2, specifically in this commit:
> >>
> >> commit ac1beee1dd113e203b6715fe472cf2fa88656bd5
> >> Author: Michael McCreary 
> >> Date:   Thu Dec 21 12:49:26 2017 +
> >>
> >> [[ DataGrid 2 ]] Fix drags to cooperate with the mobile scroller.
> >>
> >> Previously, a data grid's mobile scroller was getting in the way of
> >> reorder and swipe actions.
> >>
> >> To fix for reordering, we disable the scroller whenn the user clicks
> >> on a reorder control (and re-enable it when the reorder completes).
> >>
> >> Swipes are a little trickier. We track dragging on mouse down, but
> >> disabling the scroller at this point will prevent all scrolling.
> >> Instead we attempt to determine if the user is trying to drag the
> >> row before disabling the scroller.
> >>
> >> I'd need to do some more digging to see if the highlight on touch has
> >> actually been caused by something else since  as I don't recall it being
> >> an issue, or noticed when DG2 debuted - but I could be wrong. Especially
> >> more since Android has never had a delayTouches mode.
> >>
> >> Either this problem also affects Android, which means turning
> >> delayTouches on is not really an option (given the negative consequences
> >> to DG2 behavior); or it doesn't affect Android in which case something
> >> else has changed (potentially in the iOS scroller control itself).
> >>
> >> I suspect we will just need a short timer on mouse down so that it only
> >> triggers a highlight *if* a scroll message isn't received within the
> >> interval of the timer.
> >>
> >> Warmest Regards,
> >>
> >> Mark.
> >>
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Re: DataGrid 2 swipe actions

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22798
i submitted a PR as well.
If you do a Show Package Contents on the LC binary, then navigate to
Content->Tools->/Toolset->palettes->revdatagridlibrary
and open "behaviorsdatagridbuttonbehavior.livecodescript"
change line 371 to
mobileControlSet sScrollerId, "delayTouches", "true"


On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 4:33 PM JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> you have to check the bug quality site for that and search for the DG2
> I know there was a fix for the ID thingy, if i understand correctly what
> you ask.
> because if i remember correct the ID created by the dg scroller was not
> 'detectable'
> But to be sure on it check the quality site or one of the releasenotes when
> the DG2 came out
>
> Op do 27 aug. 2020 om 21:58 schreef Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via
> use-livecode :
>
> > My apologies to Mike AND Mark on the misquote, and *bump* to this bug. I
> > had too many QC tabs open for bugs, am I right? ;)
> >
> > Is there a way to send a mobileControlSet “delayTouches” command to the
> > scroller created? I wasn’t sure how to get the ID since the DataGrid code
> > made the scroller.
> >
> > -Andrew Bell
> >
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: DataGrid 2 swipe actions
> > > Message-ID: <166ab8a2-7e58-2303-4d72-f366960d9...@sonic.net>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> > >
> > > On 8/26/20 9:36 PM, Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via use-livecode
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> The highlighted row when scrolling is a separate bug patched by Mike
> > Wieder  https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22798 <
> > https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22798> awaiting a GitHub
> > merge, but turning on delayTouches makes the swipe animation jerky
> because
> > the scroller has to decide if it?s scrolling first so the swipe controls
> > aren?t very responsive. Would be curious if these two things can live in
> > harmony. Any DG2 advice?
> > >
> > > That's actually Mike Kerner's fix. I just added a comment. Or two.
> > > Trying to prioritize getting it looked at.
> > >
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> > >  ahsoftw...@gmail.com
> > >
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Re: DataGrid 2 swipe actions

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

Don't be telling me about "well structured commit titles".  There is
nothing clear in that title, unless British is your first language, and
English is your second, and in British we add an "s" on the ends of every
singulars nouns, and peoples speak with a lisps.
In the meantime(s), setting the delayTouches to false(s) on a DG(s) breaks
scrolling(s), thus my PR(s), from however-long-ago it(s) was. :-P
Tag.  You(s)'re it(s)

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 2:17 PM Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 2020-08-27 17:07, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> > name's mikey.  y'all can call me...
> > mikey
> >
> > howdy.
> >
> > i think it was just one line of code, too, right?  it was just a matter
> > of
> > setting the delayTouches to true.  i have no idea why it was originally
> > "false".
>
> Well, the advantage of generally trying to make sure all substantive
> changes made to the source have well structured commit titles and decent
> descriptions in the body means its easy to find out by grokking `git
> log` :D
>
> It was changed precisely because of the issues Andrew pointed out with
> DG2, specifically in this commit:
>
> commit ac1beee1dd113e203b6715fe472cf2fa88656bd5
> Author: Michael McCreary 
> Date:   Thu Dec 21 12:49:26 2017 +
>
>  [[ DataGrid 2 ]] Fix drags to cooperate with the mobile scroller.
>
>  Previously, a data grid's mobile scroller was getting in the way of
>  reorder and swipe actions.
>
>  To fix for reordering, we disable the scroller whenn the user clicks
>  on a reorder control (and re-enable it when the reorder completes).
>
>  Swipes are a little trickier. We track dragging on mouse down, but
>  disabling the scroller at this point will prevent all scrolling.
>  Instead we attempt to determine if the user is trying to drag the
>  row before disabling the scroller.
>
> I'd need to do some more digging to see if the highlight on touch has
> actually been caused by something else since  as I don't recall it being
> an issue, or noticed when DG2 debuted - but I could be wrong. Especially
> more since Android has never had a delayTouches mode.
>
> Either this problem also affects Android, which means turning
> delayTouches on is not really an option (given the negative consequences
> to DG2 behavior); or it doesn't affect Android in which case something
> else has changed (potentially in the iOS scroller control itself).
>
> I suspect we will just need a short timer on mouse down so that it only
> triggers a highlight *if* a scroll message isn't received within the
> interval of the timer.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>
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Re: DataGrid 2 swipe actions

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

name's mikey.  y'all can call me...
mikey

howdy.

i think it was just one line of code, too, right?  it was just a matter of
setting the delayTouches to true.  i have no idea why it was originally
"false".

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 11:39 AM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
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> On 8/26/20 9:36 PM, Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via use-livecode wrote:
>
> > The highlighted row when scrolling is a separate bug patched by Mike
> Wieder  https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22798 <
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22798> awaiting a GitHub
> merge, but turning on delayTouches makes the swipe animation jerky because
> the scroller has to decide if it’s scrolling first so the swipe controls
> aren’t very responsive. Would be curious if these two things can live in
> harmony. Any DG2 advice?
>
> That's actually Mike Kerner's fix. I just added a comment. Or two.
> Trying to prioritize getting it looked at.
>
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Hacktoberfest is coming

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

It's just over a month away, this year's Hacktoberfest
If you have or know of a LC repo that would appreciate some love, please
put it here, and let's see if we can get some folks involved in
participating in making the LC universe a better place.

In case you have no idea what I'm talking about, Hacktoberfest is an annual
festival run on Github.  It rewards people who participate by submitting
pull requests (usually 3) with some swag like t-shirts, stickers, etc.

You have to sign up for it for your PR's to qualify.
ANY PR to a public repo qualifies.  So, if you fix some LC documentation
and submit a PR, it counts.  If you fix the way the datagrid handles
scrolling on mobile, it counts.  If you add some badass feature to Levure,
it counts.

Please discuss, here, add a repo and/or an update that you would like to
see to a particular repo (include a link to the repo), and let's see if we
can get a bunch of LC Hackers, this year.

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Re: Basic question about behaviors

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On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:41 PM Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I LOVE 'this me'. This extraordinary use of coding language is truly where
> LC  shines and why I love it so much, - sometimes. [sigh]
>
> Sean
>

and that's why your fonts break - because you "LOVE" - not "love", not
"Love", not "l-o-l-o-l-o-v-e", but "LOVE" "this me".
you're welcome.
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Re: Basic question about behaviors

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

i like "this me" less and less every time i read it.

On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 11:30 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
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> Wouldn’t it just be “me”?  And “this me” should be the behavior object.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 24, 2020, at 11:19 PM, prothero--- via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have assigned a behavior to a button. The behavior button/source is
> on a different stack. It works fine. But a click on a movie player, on the
> same card, triggers the mouseUp handler in the behavior, which I don’t want
> to happen. It seems odd that this would happen, but I need to fix it.
> >
> > My solution is to test whether the target is the button, or something
> else. I solved it by trapping the mouseUp message in a script on the
> player. However, I was trying to figure out how to get the behavior to give
> me the source/origin of the mouseUp message. I can get the name of the card
> using “the owner” but can’t seem to find the right syntax to get the name
> of the button that the behavior is attached to.
> >
> > This is probably trivial, but I’d appreciate any help.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bill
> >
> > William A. Prothero
> > Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
> > http://earthlearningsolutions.org/
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Re: Cross Platform Font Layout - current workarounds

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

this has always been a problem with multiple development tools, at least
for as long as I can remember x-platform development tools and WYSIWYG
being a thing, so Win 95, and MacOS 6 or 7 (uh...7?).  I agree it would be
great if LC would try harder, since the goal is to make the developer's
life easier, and if the mantra and the goal is to design it/lay it out/code
it once, then that should be what you get.
some development tools have gone so far as to use style sheets, so on one
platform you have different sizes (or different fonts) to accommodate the
issues, but i'm not a fan.  there are too many exceptions to the rule, and
you're always chasing "good enough", which is "good enough", until you rap
your knuckles on the next exception.
at least for us, the easiest thing to do has been to size objects for the
mac, because we have found that on the mac, fonts render slightly larger,
and therefore wrap or overflow.  then when we port to windoze, things are
ok.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 9:29 AM Richmond via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Well; let's consider that suggestion:
>
> 1. The Holy Grail was an abstract idea dreamt up by the Knights Templars.
>
> 2. Most people have worked out by the time they are about 35 that
> perfection is a dangerous illusion.
>
> 3. "Years of hell": Why do you suppose the OP has stuck with LiveCode
> for the length of time he has if it has been 'hell'?
>
> 4. "find another language that will do exactly what you want" . . .
> ouch, I hurt my leg falling off the chair with laughter.
>
> 5. Why do I get a "funny feeling" that by calling yourself 'Paul
> Pystcat' you are an undercover agent pushing Python (a language
> which I could say one or two "fruity" things about)?
>
> 6. The OP is NOT a fool; that is quite obvious from his previous
> postings over a number of years, and he would not be
> posting the sort of thing he posted if he were considering abandonong
> LiveCode.
>
> 7. Err . . . on the subject of rants and "squishes" . . .
>
> On 25.08.20 16:11, Paul Pystcat via use-livecode wrote:
> > I really have to ask…  if you are having such problems that are so
> insurmountable using LiveCode, then why not just abandon ship…?
> Seriously.  If this is such a showstopper, why not find another language
> that will do exactly what you want..?  Don’t waste any more of your time.
> Do it.  You may find the Holy Grail and all will be well… you can look back
> on your years of hell with LiveCode and laugh at us that remain.
> >
> >> On Aug 25, 2020, at 6:01 AM, Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Not Fridge, Fork.
> >>
> >> I assume (dangerously) from your reply that you do not have to make
> real world applications for corporate branded customers. Where design has
> been done by a branding team with a 12 - 120 page Production guide).
> Someone like the BBC, Channel 4, NBC, or their subsidiaries. Like Saatchi
> and Saatchi, Mars, Ford, Pfizer, Virgin, VTech, Bandai.
> >>
> >> My case study this project. Two week turnaround (first week primary
> development wireframed , second week skin and output for Windows(primary
> output)/Mac(Backup)). Tv gameshow multiscreen (some split across multiple
> screens themselves) for live recording screen graphics. 35 cards (or
> frames, pages, slides, whatever you want to call them) plus video inserts
> all with live updated content input by a controller on a remote machine (pc
> or Mac as they see fit on the day) as the show progresses.
> >>
> >> As the platform my POC and his office colleagues was using was a PC it
> made sense to do development in Windows for output to PC and Mac for studio
> techs to pick from based on location around the studio (the gallery for
> controllers, back stage and stage floor). It is arse-umed that how it looks
> on Windows is how it should look on any other platform we distribute to
> including the various output sizes (1024x576SD, 960x540HHD, 1920x1080HD,
> 3840x2160 4k). Everything has to match to the pixel. That’s how branding
> works. We have no issue with that moving between platforms in editing and
> graphics platforms, so post production facilities (mine included) could not
> conceive or perceive that it would be any different in a development
> environment. Design it in photoshop on a pc and send it to your colleagues
> working in After Effects on a Mac and send it back to an editor on a PC
> running Premiere and it looks the same end to end. That is ‘just the way it
> is’!
> >>
> >> So, after developing at a stupid rate, 12 solid 14-18hr days, we have
> the finished app layered out (don’t get me back on the layering embargo),
> animated with text & graphic moves and effects, ready for deployment out to
> Mac and PC. Tick the boxes in the standalone settings, build and open in
> their respective platforms.
> >>
> >> Only to find that everything you had laid out perfectly matching on PC
> is totally screwed on the Mac. Opening up the stack on the 

Re: Google API Oauth - refresh tokens?

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

I'm pretty sure that refresh tokens are used with service accounts (the
account has its own authorization so that it can do things, but it does not
have its own storage or documents).  Authentication is more involved,
including, for instance, generating a JWT which has to be built and sent to
Google during the authorization process to obtain the access token, and
then hourly to obtain the refresh token.  I never got the JWT signed
properly, and I haven't played with it since we got this process working in
another tool that we use.
I'd be interested in seeing your code when you're done.

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 5:09 PM Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
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> Back in 2018 when I was originally working with Google sheets, the OAuth
> authorisation once granted seemed to refresh automatically.
>
> That is, if a call returned the 'unauthorised' error, calling OAuth with
> the
> same parameters would briefly display a sheet dialog, but it would go away
> automatically.
>
> Then I finished working on that project, and when six months I briefly
> looked
> at this again, fell victim to bug #22557.
>
> Now that this is fixed, I'm happily working with the system again (and
> will
> shortly release my code in case it's of use to anyone) - but now when the
> authorisation expires (which is does after an hour or so), calling Oauth2
> goes
> through the process requiring user activity.
>
> There's an OAuth2Refresh command in LiveCode; but the issue is that I
> don't
> get a refresh token from the Google API. From my reading of the docs, only
> certain kinds of app registered with Google get refresh tokens - but I
> don't
> seem to be able to figure this out.
>
> Has anyone managed to register an app with Google (in
> https://console.developers.google.com/apis/) in a way that means it gets
> refresh tokens?
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Re: OAuth2 was Re: google sheets - anybody doing anything besides mergGoogle

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

I got impatient/spooked so we went another direction.  I think we're going
to use other tools.

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:00 AM Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
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> Hi Mike,
>
> Brian Milby put me on to the solution for the OAuth problem:
> > Check out bug 22557 / PR 7381.
> > Line 247 of oath2.livecodescript need urlEncode removed
>
> Are you still interested in this, or are you covered now?
>
> regards,
>
> Ben
>
> On 11/03/2020 20:45, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > I haven't forgotten, but finally found time to take a look today and
> started
> > writing minimal comments, and thought I should at least test it - for
> some
> > reason the authorisation isn't working. For whatever reason, the call to
> > OAuth2 results in the error "Malformed auth code." So I can't get to
> test what
> > I'm sending.
> >
> > I'm unclear whether I've done something strange or wrong, or whether
> Google
> > has changed something that breaks LC's implementation. I've come across
> > references which suggest that, but they date back to last year, and I
> believe
> > I've used this stack in January. (I also tried using LC 9.0.4 with the
> same
> > result.)
> >
> > I will try to get back to this. In the meantime, have you - or anyone -
> found
> > issues recently with OAuth2, in particular against any of the Google
> APIs?
> >
> > Ben
> >
> >
> > On 08/03/2020 22:22, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> >> it might help us get started.  i'm going to probably put out an rfq to
> wrap
> >> the v4 rest api, because we're going to have to come to a solution,
> either
> >> using lc or some other tool.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 6:01 PM Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Mike,
> >>>
> >>> Very happy to share what I've got, but it's really not much - just a
> very
> >>> thin
> >>> wrapper round Google's API - and it's undocumented, mostly rough code -
> >>> copied
> >>> from one stack to the next, usually done in a tearing hurry!
> >>>
> >>> I'll try to pull something together, but please promise not to judge
> me...
> >>>
> >>> Ben
> >>>
> >>> On 06/03/2020 15:13, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> >>>> Ben,
> >>>> would you send me what you've got?  I was considering paying someone
> to
> >>>> wrap the entire v4 api and dropping mergGoogle, so any head start
> would
> >>> be
> >>>> useful.  LC wants tribute to do the work (which is a little
> disappointing
> >>>> since we financed the original external, so we sort-of hoped that it
> >>> would
> >>>> become a thing, and it would get updated as required, but crap
> happens).
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 6:04 PM Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
> >>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 04/03/2020 20:37, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> >>>>>> is anyone using anything besides mergGoogle to work with google
> sheets?
> >>>>>> care to share, if you are?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm just using the Google Sheets API directly from LiveCode - just
> >>> pushing
> >>>>> JSON back and forth. The API is limited, but what's there is very
> easy
> >>> to
> >>>>> work
> >>>>> with - much better than manipulating xlsx files.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I started using it to get data from clients, and then processing data
> >>> and
> >>>>> pushing it back into the sheets. I've also used on some experimental
> >>> image
> >>>>> processing, where I found that pushing the results of LiveCode
> functions
> >>>>> into
> >>>>> a google sheet immediately gave me an nice interface in which to
> review
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> data, and then I could also use the spreadsheet functions to do
> >>> evaluation
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> testing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ben
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 
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Re: Web help needed

[Mike Doub via use-livecode]

Andre,

Your the closest yet to what I was thinking about.  I did not think it was a 
good idea to have the cue sheets rebuilt on the server.   I was going to 
rebuild them on the desktop and push them to the server thru a special endpoint.

Let me study the links you provided and well see if they will do the trick.

Thank to all for helping!  I’m learning all sorts of stuff!  It great.

  -= Mike
On Jul 13, 2020, 11:45 AM -0400, Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I think that either you're all misreading the original intent, or I have
> read it wrong.
>
> From what I have read, Mike has a webapp that converts from one file format
> to another and wants to do bulk conversion. Rsync and FTP will not help
> there, what he needs to to be able to call that form multiple times or
> refactor the form to support multiple files.
>
> Mike, get yourself familiar with "file type inputs" from HTML and how they
> can support multiple file selection. In the two links below you'll have a
> reference to the APIs and DOM elements related to that:
>
> * https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/input/file
> *
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/File/Using_files_from_web_applications
>
> Using that you could rework your form to accept multiple files, even with
> drag and dropping, which I believe will solve your problem.
>
> Still, I don't think that doing the entire archive in a single go is a good
> idea as Apache will hangup the CGI process after a predefined timeout, but
> you could do a subset of it, for example each month in a single pass.
>
> Best
> A
>
>
>
> On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 at 19:32, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Bill Prothero wrote:
> > > Sorry if this is off, but what about just transferring them with ftp?
> >
> > FTP is good enough for a small number of files. But for automating
> > large numbers of file transfers rsync is hard to beat, a much smarter
> > tool making things much more efficient.
> >
> > By default, rsync will only transfer files that have changed, and even
> > then only transfers the portions of a file that's changed.
> >
> > It can be used to sync folders locally or remotely - I run all my
> > backups with it, in addition to using it post files to servers from my
> > local master copy.
> >
> > rsync is preinstalled with macOS, can be added to Windows, and is a
> > standard part of most popular Linux distros used on servers.
> >
> > It's secure using SSH, so if you add your SSH public key to your server
> > (useful for a good many things) you not only get good security but it
> > makes it easy to automate with LiveCode's shell function.
> >
> >
> > @Michael Doub: I believe HostM uses Ubuntu, so rsync is preinstalled
> > there. And since you use macOS, your copy is preinstalled on your Mac.
> >
> > IMNSHO, you'll want to request SSH for any hosting service that doesn't
> > offer it by default. With SSH, not only do you get to use standard
> > Unix/Linux utilities like rsync, scp, and others, but sooner or later
> > you're likely to need or want to do something on that server outside of
> > the limited scope of what FTP is designed for. With shell access you
> > can do anything you need, just as good as having the server sitting on
> > your desk, even if it's thousands of miles away.
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Re: Web help needed

[Mike Doub via use-livecode]

HostM does support rsync but you have to request SSH to be enabled.

I was able to get an sftp client to work.  Im not sure if LiveCode supports 
sftp.

-= Mike
On Jul 12, 2020, 1:13 PM -0400, Mike Doub , wrote:
> I just sent a request to HostM to see if they support rsync.  If they do then 
> one option would be to create all of the pdfs and csv on the mac then rsync 
> them to the server.  This leads me down a new set of unknowns... How do you 
> set up rsync? I assume that there is some configuration required on both the 
> mac and server.
> On Jul 12, 2020, 12:56 PM -0400, Mike Doub , wrote:
> > The server is hosted on HostM and they are very good a keeping Livecode 
> > Server current. I am assuming it is a Unix variant of some sort.  My 
> > desktop is a mac.
> >
> > Let me tell you the details of what I am trying to do.   I have written a 
> > tool in livecode that takes a RideWithGPS route and generates a pdf and 
> > .csv files for the cue sheet.  (basic turn by turn instructions for cycling 
> > the route.)  This tools sits on the server side and processes requests via 
> > a form.   Basically 1 route at a time.
> >
> > There are some 950 routes that are in my cycling clubs archive on 
> > RideWithGPS.  I am looking to generate updated pdf and csv files for all of 
> > the routes.  I was thinking about just cycling thru each of the routes, 
> > create the pdf and csv on my mac and just push the files onto the server.   
> > It is the push them onto the server that I don’t know how to do.   I am 
> > looking for some guidance on both the mac and server side.
> >
> > -= Mike
> > On Jul 12, 2020, 12:32 PM -0400, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
> > , wrote:
> > > Hi Mike,
> > >
> > > I think we are lacking some key information in order to solve your 
> > > problem.
> > >
> > > Is your LC Server on a Mac? If so, what is preventing you from just
> > > dragging and dropping a folder of your files across the network from your
> > > desktop Mac to your LC (Mac?) Server computer?
> > >
> > > Once your files are on the Server where you want them, then you
> > > can play around with having LC Server access them through forms
> > > if you want to do that. You can also put the data into a database
> > > if you need to do that too and then access them with your LC Server.
> > >
> > > Are you hosting your LC Server on a computer you own, or
> > > are you using a hosting service instead?
> > >
> > > Let us know.
> > >
> > > Rick
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Jul 11, 2020, at 8:24 PM, Mike Doub via use-livecode 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am a rookie at web stuff. I have a couple of end point api’s set up 
> > > > to use with simple forms. Got that working with .lc file that starts 
> > > > using a LiveCode stack that does the work.
> > > >
> > > > I need to move hundreds of files from my desktop Mac to my server. I’m 
> > > > looking for advise as to how best to do this. I was thinking about 
> > > > creating an endpoint on my server that my desktop app would use. But, I 
> > > > don’t understand how that might work.
> > > >
> > > > I need some help for some experience web folks. How do I go about 
> > > > moving files? Most of them are text, but I would like to understand how 
> > > > to deal with binary files too (thinking images). All of the examples I 
> > > > see are for a user interface form and that does not make sense for the 
> > > > number of files I need to move.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance.
> > > > -= Mike
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Re: Web help needed

[Mike Doub via use-livecode]

I just sent a request to HostM to see if they support rsync.  If they do then 
one option would be to create all of the pdfs and csv on the mac then rsync 
them to the server.  This leads me down a new set of unknowns... How do you set 
up rsync? I assume that there is some configuration required on both the mac 
and server.
On Jul 12, 2020, 12:56 PM -0400, Mike Doub , wrote:
> The server is hosted on HostM and they are very good a keeping Livecode 
> Server current. I am assuming it is a Unix variant of some sort.  My desktop 
> is a mac.
>
> Let me tell you the details of what I am trying to do.   I have written a 
> tool in livecode that takes a RideWithGPS route and generates a pdf and .csv 
> files for the cue sheet.  (basic turn by turn instructions for cycling the 
> route.)  This tools sits on the server side and processes requests via a 
> form.   Basically 1 route at a time.
>
> There are some 950 routes that are in my cycling clubs archive on 
> RideWithGPS.  I am looking to generate updated pdf and csv files for all of 
> the routes.  I was thinking about just cycling thru each of the routes, 
> create the pdf and csv on my mac and just push the files onto the server.   
> It is the push them onto the server that I don’t know how to do.   I am 
> looking for some guidance on both the mac and server side.
>
> -= Mike
> On Jul 12, 2020, 12:32 PM -0400, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
> , wrote:
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > I think we are lacking some key information in order to solve your problem.
> >
> > Is your LC Server on a Mac? If so, what is preventing you from just
> > dragging and dropping a folder of your files across the network from your
> > desktop Mac to your LC (Mac?) Server computer?
> >
> > Once your files are on the Server where you want them, then you
> > can play around with having LC Server access them through forms
> > if you want to do that. You can also put the data into a database
> > if you need to do that too and then access them with your LC Server.
> >
> > Are you hosting your LC Server on a computer you own, or
> > are you using a hosting service instead?
> >
> > Let us know.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 11, 2020, at 8:24 PM, Mike Doub via use-livecode 
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I am a rookie at web stuff. I have a couple of end point api’s set up to 
> > > use with simple forms. Got that working with .lc file that starts using a 
> > > LiveCode stack that does the work.
> > >
> > > I need to move hundreds of files from my desktop Mac to my server. I’m 
> > > looking for advise as to how best to do this. I was thinking about 
> > > creating an endpoint on my server that my desktop app would use. But, I 
> > > don’t understand how that might work.
> > >
> > > I need some help for some experience web folks. How do I go about moving 
> > > files? Most of them are text, but I would like to understand how to deal 
> > > with binary files too (thinking images). All of the examples I see are 
> > > for a user interface form and that does not make sense for the number of 
> > > files I need to move.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > > -= Mike
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Re: Web help needed

[Mike Doub via use-livecode]

The server is hosted on HostM and they are very good a keeping Livecode Server 
current. I am assuming it is a Unix variant of some sort.  My desktop is a mac.

Let me tell you the details of what I am trying to do.   I have written a tool 
in livecode that takes a RideWithGPS route and generates a pdf and .csv files 
for the cue sheet.  (basic turn by turn instructions for cycling the route.)  
This tools sits on the server side and processes requests via a form.   
Basically 1 route at a time.

There are some 950 routes that are in my cycling clubs archive on RideWithGPS.  
I am looking to generate updated pdf and csv files for all of the routes.  I 
was thinking about just cycling thru each of the routes, create the pdf and csv 
on my mac and just push the files onto the server.   It is the push them onto 
the server that I don’t know how to do.   I am looking for some guidance on 
both the mac and server side.

-= Mike
On Jul 12, 2020, 12:32 PM -0400, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> I think we are lacking some key information in order to solve your problem.
>
> Is your LC Server on a Mac? If so, what is preventing you from just
> dragging and dropping a folder of your files across the network from your
> desktop Mac to your LC (Mac?) Server computer?
>
> Once your files are on the Server where you want them, then you
> can play around with having LC Server access them through forms
> if you want to do that. You can also put the data into a database
> if you need to do that too and then access them with your LC Server.
>
> Are you hosting your LC Server on a computer you own, or
> are you using a hosting service instead?
>
> Let us know.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> > On Jul 11, 2020, at 8:24 PM, Mike Doub via use-livecode 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > I am a rookie at web stuff. I have a couple of end point api’s set up to 
> > use with simple forms. Got that working with .lc file that starts using a 
> > LiveCode stack that does the work.
> >
> > I need to move hundreds of files from my desktop Mac to my server. I’m 
> > looking for advise as to how best to do this. I was thinking about creating 
> > an endpoint on my server that my desktop app would use. But, I don’t 
> > understand how that might work.
> >
> > I need some help for some experience web folks. How do I go about moving 
> > files? Most of them are text, but I would like to understand how to deal 
> > with binary files too (thinking images). All of the examples I see are for 
> > a user interface form and that does not make sense for the number of files 
> > I need to move.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> > -= Mike
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Re: Web help needed

[Mike Doub via use-livecode]

Thanks Richard.   I guess I was not clear.   I was looking for the best ways to 
do the file transfer with LiveCode and LiveCode server.

  -= Mike
On Jul 11, 2020, 10:50 PM -0400, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> Mike Doub wrote:
>
> > I need to move hundreds of files from my desktop Mac to my server.
> > I’m looking for advise as to how best to do this.
>
> rsync
>
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Web help needed

[Mike Doub via use-livecode]

I am a rookie at web stuff.  I have a couple of end point api’s set up to use 
with simple forms.  Got that working with .lc file that starts using a LiveCode 
stack that does the work.

I need to move hundreds of files from my desktop Mac to my server.   I’m 
looking for advise as to how best to do this.  I was thinking about creating an 
endpoint on my server that my desktop app would use.  But, I don’t understand 
how that might work.

I need some help for some experience web folks.  How do I go about moving 
files?   Most of them are text, but I would like to understand how to deal with 
binary files too (thinking images).  All of the examples I see are for a user 
interface form and that does not make sense for the number of files I need to 
move.

Thanks in advance.
      -= Mike
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Re: iOS - open next field?

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

oh, wait, I thought you meant the return key, or in your photo, the "go",
key.
nothing to see here, move along, move along.

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 10:40 AM Mike Kerner 
wrote:

> yep.
> use the on inputReturnKey event
> then mobileControlTarget() to get the current field
> You need to know what the next field is to get the focus, then you use
> use mobileControlDo (next object),"focus"
>
> I generally have a handler in the card to do this, and I also generally
> have a list of the fieldnames in a container because I need the list for
> database work, and for things like creating the native fields when the card
> opens and setting their properties.
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 1:31 AM Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there a way you activate and utilize the "prev" and "next" button on
>> iOS keyboards?   You know, these buttons:
>>
>> https://i.stack.imgur.com/FzrPy.png
>>
>> If you have more than one text field on a card, we want to "tab" between
>> fields.
>>
>> -Dan
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Re: iOS - open next field?

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

yep.
use the on inputReturnKey event
then mobileControlTarget() to get the current field
You need to know what the next field is to get the focus, then you use
use mobileControlDo (next object),"focus"

I generally have a handler in the card to do this, and I also generally
have a list of the fieldnames in a container because I need the list for
database work, and for things like creating the native fields when the card
opens and setting their properties.

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> Is there a way you activate and utilize the "prev" and "next" button on
> iOS keyboards?   You know, these buttons:
>
> https://i.stack.imgur.com/FzrPy.png
>
> If you have more than one text field on a card, we want to "tab" between
> fields.
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Re: stacks panel in standalone application settings disabled

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

what's really weird is even if you turn on the other platforms, it stays
disabled.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:47 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
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> On 6/24/20 7:26 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> > why would it be disabled in the first place?
>
> That's a question for the LC gods. It might have been necessary before we
> had script-only
> stacks and just hasn't been changed since then. Or it's a bug. Or it's
> just a fluke of the
> universe.
>
> > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 5:42 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Yeah. But you can disable the mobile build(s) and add the files and then
> >> re-enable mobile.
> >> Seems like the wrong interface but it works.
> >>
> >> On 6/23/20 4:11 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> >>> uh, isn't that a problem if you have behaviors included and you need to
> >> add
> >>> or remove some?
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 4:57 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 6/23/20 2:34 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> >>>>> why would everything on the stacks panel of the standalone
> application
> >>>>> settings be disabled?
> >>>>
> >>>> It's disabled if you are building for mobile.
> >>>>
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> >>>> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Re: datagrid delay hilite

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

dunno, not using android.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:48 AM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
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> Setting (mobileControlSet sScrollerId, "delayTouches", "true") to make it
> easier to scroll without getting the mouseDown message unintentionally is
> iOS only. What is the solution for Android?
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Mike Kerner via use-livecode
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 8:59 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: Mike Kerner
> Subject: Re: datagrid delay hilite
>
> nm, the datagrid library uses
> mobileControlSet sScrollerId, "delayTouches", "false"
> instead of true.  bug report issued.
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 5:30 PM Mike Kerner 
> wrote:
>
> > i just put a new dg in a mobile app (was using the mergDGScroller
> > before), and noticed that the auto-hilite is very fast, like so fast
> > that the dg selects the row instead of recognizing that what you're
> > really trying to do is scroll.
> > has anyone resolved that?
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Re: datagrid delay hilite

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nm, the datagrid library uses
mobileControlSet sScrollerId, "delayTouches", "false"
instead of true.  bug report issued.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 5:30 PM Mike Kerner 
wrote:

> i just put a new dg in a mobile app (was using the mergDGScroller before),
> and noticed that the auto-hilite is very fast, like so fast that the dg
> selects the row instead of recognizing that what you're really trying to do
> is scroll.
> has anyone resolved that?
>
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>


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Re: stacks panel in standalone application settings disabled

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

why would it be disabled in the first place?

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 5:42 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
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> Yeah. But you can disable the mobile build(s) and add the files and then
> re-enable mobile.
> Seems like the wrong interface but it works.
>
> On 6/23/20 4:11 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> > uh, isn't that a problem if you have behaviors included and you need to
> add
> > or remove some?
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 4:57 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 6/23/20 2:34 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> >>> why would everything on the stacks panel of the standalone application
> >>> settings be disabled?
> >>
> >> It's disabled if you are building for mobile.
> >>
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datagrid delay hilite

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

i just put a new dg in a mobile app (was using the mergDGScroller before),
and noticed that the auto-hilite is very fast, like so fast that the dg
selects the row instead of recognizing that what you're really trying to do
is scroll.
has anyone resolved that?

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Re: stacks panel in standalone application settings disabled

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

uh, isn't that a problem if you have behaviors included and you need to add
or remove some?

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 4:57 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
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> On 6/23/20 2:34 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> > why would everything on the stacks panel of the standalone application
> > settings be disabled?
>
> It's disabled if you are building for mobile.
>
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stacks panel in standalone application settings disabled

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

why would everything on the stacks panel of the standalone application
settings be disabled?

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SHA256withRSA

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how about SHA256withRSA - anyone have an lc script?

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Re: base64urlencode

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

you sure?  there is a difference in padding, as well, it seems.

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 12:44 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
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> On 6/16/20 9:24 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> > does anyone have a routine to do base64urlencoding?  it's not the same as
> > base64encoding or urlencoding.
> >
>
> It mostly is the same. Does this do the trick?
>
> function base64urlencode pString
> local tEncoded
>
> put base64encode(pString) into tEncoded
> replace "+" with "-" in tEncoded
> replace "/" with "_" in tEncoded
> replace "=" with "" in tEncoded
> return tEncoded
> end base64urlencode
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base64urlencode

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does anyone have a routine to do base64urlencoding?  it's not the same as
base64encoding or urlencoding.

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Re: ADA Compliency

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

Oh gawd, I had an ancient college sweaty OMG FINALS panic attack, because I
thought you wrote Ada, not ADA.


On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 6:57 PM Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
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> Has anyone done anything in regards to ADA compliancy in mobile apps built
> with LiveCode?   Using the apple or android accessibility tools such as
> Screen reading, for example.
>
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Re: lc vs macos vs xc vs ios table

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

here's an interesting note for me the next time I'm in a panic over an
annual build:
XC prior to 11 won't run on catalina (maybe 10 will, so maybe pretend I
said "10" back there).  On your machine, you'll see the circle-slash
through the icon for xcode 9.x, which means apps that you built with LC 8.x
aren't going to get their annual rebuild if you don't hold your breath and
move to LC 9, right?
Nope.  It turns out you can still build in catalina with LC 8.x and XC9.
You just can't run XC9.  That was a pleasant surprise after doing our
annual rebuild broke one of our apps on "older" (2018 era) ipads that are
stuck in ios 9.x
***BUT*** that build config causes the app to fail on newer versions of ios.

On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 3:41 PM Mike Kerner 
wrote:

> do we have a table somewhere on which versions can be connected?
> i just tried to rebuild one of our apps for the annual app-build-of-doom,
> and discovered that:
> i can't seem to build for ios 9.3.5 (some older ipads), because i need to
> run xcode 11 on catalina.  on 9.3.5 the app flashes white and then crashes
> out.  on newer ipads, the app runs fine.
>
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Re: ANN: glx2 script editor 4.1

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thanks, mark.

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> I have moved the repository from bitbucket to github because reasons.
>
> This is the latest build. It's now at glx2ScriptEditor version 4.1.
> Release notes and a documentation wiki are on the github site.
> It's had a pretty rigorous shakedown cruise lately on osx, windows, and
> linux and is now the editor I use on a daily basis.
>
> https://github.com/mwieder/glx2ScriptEditor
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lc vs macos vs xc vs ios table

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

do we have a table somewhere on which versions can be connected?
i just tried to rebuild one of our apps for the annual app-build-of-doom,
and discovered that:
i can't seem to build for ios 9.3.5 (some older ipads), because i need to
run xcode 11 on catalina.  on 9.3.5 the app flashes white and then crashes
out.  on newer ipads, the app runs fine.

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.0 RC-2

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

if i do a build for ios, the build number is what shows in xcode as the
"version", and the "version" does not appear anywhere.

On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 11:43 AM panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
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> Dear list members,
>
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.0 RC-2.
>
>
> Getting the Release
> ===
> You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
> the automatic updater.
>
>
> Release Contents
> 
> LiveCode 9.6.0 RC-2 comes with 5 regression fixes.
>
> For the full list of all fixes, updates and enhancements please see the
> release notes:
> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_0/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_0_rc_2.pdf
>
>
> Known issues
> 
> - The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
> Cinnamon window manager.
> - The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
> yet.
> - The mergSettings external still uses the UIWebView API on iOS, so
> checking "mergSettings" in the Inclusions pane will cause an AppStore
> rejection, since Apple no longer accepts new apps that use UIWebView.
>
>
> Required Software
> =
> To build iOS apps with LiveCode you must have the appropriate versions of
> Xcode as follows:
>
>   - macOS 10.13.4: Xcode 10.1 - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS 12.1
> SDK
>   - macOS 10.14.4: Xcode 11.3.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> 13.2 SDK
>   - macOS 10.15.2: Xcode 11.4.x - LiveCode builds iOS apps using the iOS
> 13.4 SDK
>
> There is a full list of working LiveCode/macOS/Xcode combinations here:
> https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/
>
> Note: Whilst we endeavour to release updated versions of LiveCode
> supporting the latest Xcode/iOS SDKs as quickly as possible; we strongly
> recommend disabling automatic update of Xcode or downloading the specific
> version of Xcode required directly from the Apple developer portal and
> installing it separately.
>
> Important: Since the end of April 2020, Apple is only accepting new apps
> built using iOS13 SDKs. Updates to existing apps can be built using iOS12
> SDKs until the end of June 2020. This means that, if you wish to submit new
> apps to the AppStore, you will have to be running at least macOS 10.14 in
> order to be able to install the necessary version of Xcode.
>
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mergGoogle source OSS'd

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

LC has decided to deprecate mergGoogle, which is disappointing since my
company uses it hourly to generate reports from our ERP system that our
customers can use to check up on you-name-it.
However, LC also generously agreed to OSS it, so here it is.
https://github.com/macMikey/merggoogle

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Xcode 11.4

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Can you create a build for app submission using Xcode 11.4?

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Re: Best relational database for IOS / Android

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do you mean for c/s?  if it's client-only, then sqlite and mysql are
perfectly integrated into lc for ios.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:55 AM Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <
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> Good morning,
>
> In your opinion, what is the best relational database to use for an IOS /
> Android application?
>
> Being a PC guy and always living in the Microsoft world, I always default
> to SQL, however, with my latest discoveries of the complexities involved
> and lack of support in LC I don't think that would be the best move at this
> point.
>
> Suggestions?
>
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Re: Which git service suits a LiveCoder best?

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

I wouldn't say it's using levure as intended.
trevor, in his videos, anyway, does not export every script to an SOS, only
ones that are a certain length.  if you do it that way, then scriptTracker
could be valuable.
I choose to put every script in SOS's, so scriptTracker isn't particularly
useful for me.


On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 4:23 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
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> ScriptTracker isn’t necessarily incompatible with Levure, but if using
> that framework as intended then all of the scripts would be in script only
> stacks as behaviors which would make it unnecessary.
>
> I have thought about setting up a hybrid project as a test but never have
> gotten around to playing with it.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
> On Apr 27, 2020, 3:53 PM -0400, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> > As to the ’how’, I planned to move into script-only stacks more anyway,
> and will also test the Levure framework, and/or Script Tracker.
> > I’m not sure if those two are compatible though? I mean, if I use Levure
> framework I can’t (needn’t?) use Script Tracker as well, right?
> >
> > Anyway, with the help of a good free tutorial I’ve set up a GitHub
> account and done the necessary local stuff, including doing basic command
> line actions (yeah, wasn’t that scary after all…), so I’m progressing one
> step at a time… :)
> >
> > Andreas
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Re: Which git service suits a LiveCoder best?

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

github.  pricing is getting better, especially in the last month, to
compete with gitlab.  we have projects in both github and gitlab (and I
guess one person is messing with Azure, or whatever M$'s other git thang
is), but people seem to be using github more.
gitkraken is the most popular gui our people use.  part of that is because
of its glo boards, which give you a card/kanban style view of issues,
to-do's, calendars, etc., integrates with slack, blah, blah, blah.  It also
can be integrated with issues in github, which is nice because the
interface is better and easier to organize than issues, especially if you
have a lot of them.  Our ERP project, for example, has 201 issues open
right now.  Some of them are just one feature request or bug report, but
some of them are thirty or more sub-items deep with many
comments, documents, screen shots, etc. on them.
the person messing with Azure is using Visual Studio's git interface, one
is using github's client, and one is using the Working Copy app on ios.
Even if you don't choose gitkraken as your git client, you should check out
glo.  You can access glo any number of ways, including inside GK, from GK's
website, from slack, from Atom (and I think from SublimeText) and the glo
mobile app for ios.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 9:58 AM Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 3:46 AM Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > So, in short: How do I best get started with git when working with
> > LiveCode on Mac, in small teams or alone, wishing minimal use of command
> > line?
> >
> > Do I just let gravity pull me into the GitHub gas giant, or join a rebel
> > moon? :)
> >
>
> Hi Andreas,
>
> I use GutHub for my LiveCode projects but haven’t looked at other services.
> I enjoy using it and they recently reduced pricing and made a team account
> available for free which is great.
>
> There aren’t any special tools for LiveCode on GitHub that I’m aware of. It
> isn’t even recognized as a language by GitHub. At the moment I’m investing
> how I might get automated builds working for my Levure apps using GitHub
> and CircleCI. I’m in the very early stages of research and haven’t made any
> real progress yet.
>
> I love using Tower for my Git GUI. I’ve been very pleased with it.
>
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

[Mike Doub via use-livecode]

Apple and Google adding contact tracking to their OSs

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/10/business/stock-market-today-coronavirus.html#link-418ae121
On Apr 10, 2020, 2:41 PM -0400, dsc--- via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> And for those of you who want to volunteer for the COVID Watch team, here is 
> the volunteer form:
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdD1TGKOvd4gtikW_jXdU1HlF4jMP2XnXvIzL2sd6HLHPJ25g/viewform
>  
> 
>
>
> > On Apr 10, 2020, at 11:04 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > And it doesn't have to be just contact tracing related.
> >
> > Jonathan Rothberg's team is working on a simple test at home that needs an 
> > app.
> > co...@4catalyzer.com 
> >
> > Anybody want to talk about a containment game? Or take the concept and go 
> > in one's own direction?
> >
> > Nicky Case's phone size comic is now available in several languages, so if 
> > you include that in _anything_ you do, can localize a little.
> >
> > Dar
> > team COVID Watch
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 10, 2020, at 9:12 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode 
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > It is good to see some leadership here. Thanks, David.
> > >
> > > Jeff Schwaber on COVID Watch leadership team welcomes LiveCode 
> > > programmers. His initial interest is in making the Bluetooth and TCN 
> > > libraries available within the LiveCode environment. He suggests joining 
> > > a couple channels at COVID Watch Slack.
> > >
> > > Those libraries are moving to the TCN Coalition and so are applicable to 
> > > a wide range of contact tracing apps. This enables LiveCoders to create 
> > > test apps, explore ideas and even make "competing" apps.
> > >
> > > COVID Watch does not have any desktop apps. One approach might be to 
> > > convert Android Kotlin to Native Kotlin. Another is to move to LiveCode.
> > >
> > > I'm a Slack noob and I am not sure of the process of onboarding here. I 
> > > will try to find out. Anybody here know typical Slack etiquette?
> > >
> > > Dar
> > > team COVID Watch
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Apr 10, 2020, at 2:58 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for all the info Dar - that’s a great start.
> > > >
> > > > I think creating a hospital / care-worker privacy respecting contact 
> > > > tracing app would be a great Livecode project.
> > > >
> > > > This is what I’m thinking:
> > > >
> > > > • Some of gather some material / research - maybe a few Livecode 
> > > > experiments not he topic
> > > > • We prepare a video conference call - like the Livecode Zoom one I 
> > > > missed
> > > > • We invite a few people
> > > > • We follow up the video conference with a week long online sprint - 
> > > > some coding, some writing, some design / cartoons
> > > > • We showcase the results at a wrap up event
> > > >
> > > > I’m working with a handful of volunteers - mainly on the video / media 
> > > > / Zoom / research / facilitation end of things, but we’re getting 
> > > > pretty good at organising small and larger scale interactive video 
> > > > conferences and editing together the footage for feedback 
> > > > documentation. Mostly Livecode novices but interested to learn. So we 
> > > > could set up the event - most probably in Zoom - but could be Jitsi.
> > > >
> > > > To make it work, I think we’d need a few Livecode tutors, and interest 
> > > > from the community - in the end it should be something that the folks 
> > > > on this list would like to take part in, so when we onboard other 
> > > > people the party is not empty.
> > > >
> > > > I’d propose we do this on Earth Day - Wednesday 22nd April - in the 
> > > > evening Europe time, after midday US time.
> > > >
> > > > Any thoughts / takers?
> > > >
> > > > On 10 Apr 2020, 04:04 +0100, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
> > > > , wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi, David! Hi, Mark! Hi, Everybody!
> > > > >
> > > > > There are several teams that need help in a variety of ways.
> > > > >
> > > > > Several teams are in the TCN Coalition . 
> > > > > These teams respect privacy and use the TCN Protocol. COVID Watch is 
> > > > > there with help from around the world, but with a USA focus. You can 
> > > > > see a list with links on that very simple page. Volunteers might want 
> > > > > to seek out those whose location, philosophy or neediness seem to be 
> > > > > appealing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Other organizations include Private Kit: Safe Paths (GPS) and 
> > > > > "Eastcoast" PACT out of MIT. You can probably find more. If you have 
> > > > > a direction or need you want to focus on, I can try to help.
> > > > >
> > > > > A group in Europe is forming around DT-3T, triggered by work by 
> > > > > Carmela Troncoso of EPFL and folks at ETHZ. (Even though DT-3T is 
> > > > > considered to be under the umbrella of PEPPPT, the later group 
> > > > > includes teams whose methods that 

Re: DataGrid question...

[Mike Doub via use-livecode]

There is an interesting interaction between the scrolling function, the size of 
the field, mouseUp or Down.  For my test, when I click the 6th column, 
scrolling occurs and the function returns nothing.  If I size the field such 
that no scrolling occurs, all works as expected.   If I change the mouseUp to 
mouseDown, all works as expected.   I have not spent the time to figure out 
what is going on, but these are my observations.

-= Mike

On Apr 1, 2020, 9:29 AM -0400, Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> This is a modification of Jaque's script to get the row and column of a 
> locked tableField when the user clicks in a cell.
>
> Use tableField whose lockText is true. Set its script to
>
>
> 
> on mouseUp
> put "Row:" && word 2 of the clickline into tRow
> put "Col:" && getColumn(the clickH) into tColumn
> set the itemDelimiter to tab
> put tRow & tColumn & cr & "ClickH: " & the clickH into field "fRes"
> end mouseUp
>
> function getColumn pClickH
> put the tabstops of me into tTabs
> put the num of items in tTabs into tNumStops
> if tNumStops > 1 then
> put last item of tTabs - item -2 of tTabs into tTabWidth
> else
> put item 1 of tTabs into tTabWidth
> end if
> set the itemdel to tab
> put the num of items in line 1 of me into tColumns
> if tNumStops < tColumns then -- add missing tabstops
> repeat with x = tNumStops+1 to tColumns
> put comma & (tTabWidth * x) after tTabs
> end repeat
> end if
> set the itemdel to comma
> put the hScroll of me into tHScroll
> put the borderwidth of me into tBrdr -- tested from 0 to 4
> put the leftMargin of me - 3 into tLeftMarg -- tested from 4 to 12
> put the left of me + tBrdr into tLeftAndBorder
> put tLeftAndBorder - tHScroll - tLeftMarg into tLeftOfItem
> put tLeftAndBorder - tHScroll + tLeftMarg + 1 into tRightOfItem -- + 1 is a 
> fudge
> put 0 & comma before tTabs
> repeat with x = 1 to the num of items in tTabs
> if pClickH > (item x of tTabs) + tLeftOfItem and \
> pClickH < (item x+1 of tTabs) + tRightOfItem then
> return x
> end if
> end repeat
> return empty
> end getColumn
> 
>
>
> In my testing it works for changed borderWidth and margins, hscrolls and 
> vScrolls
>
> If you want to test it take a regular field, set its name to "tf", set its 
> script to above script
>
> and from a button apply this
>
>
> -
> on mouseUp
> put "1,2,3,4,5,6" into tLine
> put empty into field "tf"
> replace comma with tab in tLine
> set the itemDelimiter to tab
> repeat 6
> put tLine & cr after tCollect
> repeat with i = 1 to 6
> add 6 to item i of tLine
> end repeat
> end repeat
> delete last char of tCollect
> lock screen
> put tCollect into field "tf"
> set the hGrid of field "tf" to true
> set the vGrid of field "tf" to true
> set the hScrollbar of field "tf" to true
> set the tabStops of field "tf" to 77
> set the lockText of field "tf" to true
> unlock screen
> end mouseUp
>
> -
>
>
>
> Kind regards
> Bernd
>
>
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Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

it really has been, by multiple people, over multiple years.  i'm not going
to repeat myself, or them.
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Re: OAuth2 was Re: google sheets - anybody doing anything besides mergGoogle

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

interesting.  i didn't realize the oauth routines were in an lcs library.
it's only 423 lines, and a lot of that is documentation.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:08 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I have another type of slowdown on Win 10 that I can't get an exact recipe
> for because it doesn't happen every time. Open up the stack and everything
> is fast then open up the SE make some changes (no testing breakpoints used)
> and the card renders and then LC hangs for 10 to 40 seconds(not
> responding).
> The time it hangs is directly proportional to the amount of stuff on the
> card. When I tried to debug I did F11s until I reached the last "pass
> opencard" the one I guess goes to the engine. Everything is fast up to that
> point. Type an F11 and then LC hangs for 30 seconds before it comes back to
> life. Close the SE and it's fast again. Not as fast as a fresh open but
> fast
> enough to put the app through its paces. Maybe related to your problem?
>
> Even if we can't get a recipe for all of these issues maybe all of them put
> together will ring a bell at LC central?
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 2:47 PM
> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Cc: Richard Gaskin
> Subject: Re: OAuth2 was Re: google sheets - anybody doing anything besides
> mergGoogle
>
> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>  > I wonder if the crashes are a problem with a different OS (I'm  > on
> Mac,) or something about your stack. I haven't had any debugging  > crashes
> since the fix was implemented.
> ...
>  > I know typing can be very slow on Windows but it  > isn't bad on Mac.
>
> I had an confounding experience last night along those lines:
>
> I have one project I normally run under Windows 10, and I'd found that each
> time an execution error is thrown it takes several seconds for the Script
> Editor to finally appear showing me the errant line.
>
> So I had a few spare minutes last night and figured I'd come up with a
> recipe to submit a bug report, and possibly even fix it if I could find a
> script bottleneck.
>
> No go.  In a fresh stack the SE opens almost immediately, pretty much as it
> does on my main Linux box and my Mac.
>
> So to diagnose this further I'm going to need to use my Flight Recorder
> tool
> (available in the Stacks section of LiveNet if interested), and log
> everything going on when the SE is trying to report a bug while my client's
> complex app is running.
>
> Because the issue isn't evident on Mac when working on the same client's
> project, I'm pretty sure there's something in the Win engine that could use
> some optimization.
>
> But given how it's only noticeable in certain projects and not others,
> pinning down the root cause has not been trivial.
>
> This doesn't have anything to do with typing per se, but does illustrate
> how
> difficult it can be to pin down bottlenecks, esp. when an issue shows up in
> one projects but not others.
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Systems
>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>   
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Re: LC & Catalina; macOS 10.15.x; Xcode 11.3.x; iOS 13.3.x support ???

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

i'm kind-of annoyed.  i have spent enough of my company's funds and my
personal time doing lc sessions for beginners.  the two years before the lc
global sessions, we had a similar level of communication from hq as we do
now.
there is a difference between complaining and flameing
badgering over the status of qr's shouldn't be necessary.  badgering over
comms shouldn't be necessary.  badgering over roadmaps shouldn't be
necessary
why am i putting out rfq's, trying to find alternatives to lc?
and yes, the internet doesn't forget.  perhaps lc should take that to
heart.  we should all take that to heart with our customers.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 3:36 PM prothero--- via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Well said, Jacqueline!
> Bill
>
> William A. Prothero
> Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org/
>
> > On Mar 12, 2020, at 11:58 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 3/12/20 12:39 PM, hh via use-livecode wrote:
> >> The uselist is not a LC-praising list. As long as we have the freedom
> of speech
> >> everybody can say whether he is contented with LC or not. And nothing
> written does
> >> change anything*with LC*, also not your positive-only (and excellent)
> posts ...
> >
> > Tone is important. There is difference whether the post is a discussion
> of a problem, or a rant against the team and the company. Discussions are
> useful and productive. A rant that attacks the dedicated people who are
> doing their best for us can cause some of us to become defensive.
> >
> > For myself, it feels like an attack on my friends. I know these people,
> how hard they work, and how much they want LC to succeed. I also know that
> they are deluged with work, they need to choose their priorities carefully,
> and they care very much. To date, they have met every requirement that the
> shifting sands at Apple and Google have thrown at them. They need to drop
> everything else to meet those deadlines, but they do it. Of course, that
> puts them behind on other things.
> >
> > These list posts go into a permanent archive where they can discourage
> others from trying LC well into the future; I see no point in making LC
> look bad to any interested parties. A frank discussion is fine, readers
> absolutely do need to know where traps may lie and what the current status
> of the product is. But sarcasm and scathing condemnation is neither
> acceptable nor productive.
> >
> > Basically: be kind. Think how you'd feel if what you are about to write
> was directed at you.
> >
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Re: OAuth2 was Re: google sheets - anybody doing anything besides mergGoogle

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

monte has previously said that merggoogle is using a c-library.
the "need" for merggoogle is to not rewrite the existing code and/or write
a new library from scratch.  otherwise i wouldn't need to issue an rfq to
have someone write a library.  i could have it done for free.
or i would be overrun with offers from n00bs to write it because it's so
darn easy and i'm such a fool for paying money to have it done.
yay, i can't wait for the bidding war to begin.
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Re: OAuth2 was Re: google sheets - anybody doing anything besides mergGoogle

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

see the rfq i posted.  there are a variety of issues in merggoogle
1. mac/ios only
2. doesn't seem to work in newer versions of lc for some reason (works in
9.0.1, for instance, but not in 9.5.x)
3. google is going to shut off...something...that merggoogle is using in
september.  i don't know what that is, but i get emails from google telling
me that i'm using a deprecated api that is going to be nuked in six
months.  the only place that i could possibly be using that api is
merggoogle
4. we have had to include a lot of error trapping code because merggoogle
somehow gets out of step with google, which breaks the process, and it is
impossible to debug because of the way merggoogle works (you can't see all
the raw traffic).  so for example, we might say "load a worksheet", and
instead we will get a message that the list of spreadsheets is loaded.  the
problem with that is that there is no way to recover once that happens, and
you have to start over.  there are multiple bug reports on this particular
issue, but the workaround was a lot of workaround code to specifically
ensure that the sequence occurs as expected.
5. the rest api seems like it has more features
6. there doesn't seem to be any interest in updating merggoogle.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:46 PM Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> I haven't forgotten, but finally found time to take a look today and
> started
> writing minimal comments, and thought I should at least test it - for some
> reason the authorisation isn't working. For whatever reason, the call to
> OAuth2 results in the error "Malformed auth code." So I can't get to test
> what
> I'm sending.
>
> I'm unclear whether I've done something strange or wrong, or whether
> Google
> has changed something that breaks LC's implementation. I've come across
> references which suggest that, but they date back to last year, and I
> believe
> I've used this stack in January. (I also tried using LC 9.0.4 with the
> same
> result.)
>
> I will try to get back to this. In the meantime, have you - or anyone -
> found
> issues recently with OAuth2, in particular against any of the Google APIs?
>
> Ben
>
>
> On 08/03/2020 22:22, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> > it might help us get started.  i'm going to probably put out an rfq to
> wrap
> > the v4 rest api, because we're going to have to come to a solution,
> either
> > using lc or some other tool.
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 6:01 PM Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Mike,
> >>
> >> Very happy to share what I've got, but it's really not much - just a
> very
> >> thin
> >> wrapper round Google's API - and it's undocumented, mostly rough code -
> >> copied
> >> from one stack to the next, usually done in a tearing hurry!
> >>
> >> I'll try to pull something together, but please promise not to judge
> me...
> >>
> >> Ben
> >>
> >> On 06/03/2020 15:13, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> >>> Ben,
> >>> would you send me what you've got?  I was considering paying someone to
> >>> wrap the entire v4 api and dropping mergGoogle, so any head start would
> >> be
> >>> useful.  LC wants tribute to do the work (which is a little
> disappointing
> >>> since we financed the original external, so we sort-of hoped that it
> >> would
> >>> become a thing, and it would get updated as required, but crap
> happens).
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 6:04 PM Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
> >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 04/03/2020 20:37, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> >>>>> is anyone using anything besides mergGoogle to work with google
> sheets?
> >>>>> care to share, if you are?
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm just using the Google Sheets API directly from LiveCode - just
> >> pushing
> >>>> JSON back and forth. The API is limited, but what's there is very easy
> >> to
> >>>> work
> >>>> with - much better than manipulating xlsx files.
> >>>>
> >>>> I started using it to get data from clients, and then processing data
> >> and
> >>>> pushing it back into the sheets. I've also used on some experimental
> >> image
> >>>> processing, where I found that pushing the results of LiveCode
> functions
> >>>> into
> >>>> a google sheet immediately gave

[rfq]implement google sheets rest api

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

we're looking for someone to quote implementing the google sheets rest api
to replace mergGoogle (and extend features since the rest API is more
extensive than mergGoogle)
https://developers.google.com/sheets/api/reference/rest
I was thinking of taking the nice work monte did on the lc dropbox library,
and maybe applying that (and some of the code) to this project.
terms would be something like:
• we get/own/copyright the source (aside from any oss code)
• terms are n30, paid in us funds via corporate check
• any disputed adjudicated in erie, pa

if you're interested, please email me at
mikekerner (some symbol) rmkco [some other symbol] com
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Re: google sheets - anybody doing anything besides mergGoogle

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

it might help us get started.  i'm going to probably put out an rfq to wrap
the v4 rest api, because we're going to have to come to a solution, either
using lc or some other tool.

On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 6:01 PM Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> Very happy to share what I've got, but it's really not much - just a very
> thin
> wrapper round Google's API - and it's undocumented, mostly rough code -
> copied
> from one stack to the next, usually done in a tearing hurry!
>
> I'll try to pull something together, but please promise not to judge me...
>
> Ben
>
> On 06/03/2020 15:13, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> > Ben,
> > would you send me what you've got?  I was considering paying someone to
> > wrap the entire v4 api and dropping mergGoogle, so any head start would
> be
> > useful.  LC wants tribute to do the work (which is a little disappointing
> > since we financed the original external, so we sort-of hoped that it
> would
> > become a thing, and it would get updated as required, but crap happens).
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 6:04 PM Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 04/03/2020 20:37, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> >>> is anyone using anything besides mergGoogle to work with google sheets?
> >>> care to share, if you are?
> >>
> >> I'm just using the Google Sheets API directly from LiveCode - just
> pushing
> >> JSON back and forth. The API is limited, but what's there is very easy
> to
> >> work
> >> with - much better than manipulating xlsx files.
> >>
> >> I started using it to get data from clients, and then processing data
> and
> >> pushing it back into the sheets. I've also used on some experimental
> image
> >> processing, where I found that pushing the results of LiveCode functions
> >> into
> >> a google sheet immediately gave me an nice interface in which to review
> >> the
> >> data, and then I could also use the spreadsheet functions to do
> evaluation
> >> and
> >> testing.
> >>
> >> Ben
> >>
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Re: google sheets - anybody doing anything besides mergGoogle

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

Ben,
would you send me what you've got?  I was considering paying someone to
wrap the entire v4 api and dropping mergGoogle, so any head start would be
useful.  LC wants tribute to do the work (which is a little disappointing
since we financed the original external, so we sort-of hoped that it would
become a thing, and it would get updated as required, but crap happens).

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 6:04 PM Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 04/03/2020 20:37, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> > is anyone using anything besides mergGoogle to work with google sheets?
> > care to share, if you are?
>
> I'm just using the Google Sheets API directly from LiveCode - just pushing
> JSON back and forth. The API is limited, but what's there is very easy to
> work
> with - much better than manipulating xlsx files.
>
> I started using it to get data from clients, and then processing data and
> pushing it back into the sheets. I've also used on some experimental image
> processing, where I found that pushing the results of LiveCode functions
> into
> a google sheet immediately gave me an nice interface in which to review
> the
> data, and then I could also use the spreadsheet functions to do evaluation
> and
> testing.
>
> Ben
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Re: google sheets - anybody doing anything besides mergGoogle

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

ok, that's what i thought.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 3:47 PM Kaveh Bazargan via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> This is where I started, Mike:
>
> https://andregarzia.com/2018/11/reading-google-sheets-data-from-livecode.html
>
> Then I had to do a lot of work to get unicode imported properly. Somehow
> got it to work. :-)
>
> On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 at 19:58, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > @Kaveh
> > what are you using to connect to it?  are you using the sheets api or
> > something else?
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 2:34 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Bob Sneidar wrote:
> > >  > And again, I must caution that any local folders set to sync with a
> > >  > nextCloud device, if you then uncheck a subfolder, it will REMOVE
> THE
> > >  > LOCAL SUBFOLDER! The NextCloud people figured that the NextCloud
> > >  > device must become the master, and your own local files the slave.
> > >
> > > Ah, but there's the rub: the concepts of "master" and "slave" do not
> > > apply to peer syncing systems.
> > >
> > > Whether the behavior is correct or not depends on the use-case.  Most
> > > other sync systems avoid the question altogether by completely
> > > disallowing subfolder control. So if you want the same, limit your use
> > > of the options Nextcloud provides - just don't change the checkbox for
> > > subfolders.
> > >
> > > If you do choose to fine-tune your settings for subfolders, for the
> last
> > > several years the implications for the choice are described when you
> > > click the checkbox, requiring confirmation. If that's not what you want
> > > for your use case, the easiest solution (with any sync system) is to
> > > just move the folder outside of the one you've designated for syncing.
> > >
> > > If this specific scenario is of interest, and simply moving the folder
> > > isn't an option, these discussions will lend insight into the
> > > seemingly-simple-but-really-quite-nuanced behavior:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://help.nextcloud.com/t/unchecked-folders-will-be-removed-from-your-file-system/12335/18
> > >
> > > https://github.com/owncloud/client/issues/2502
> > >
> > > Sync is one of those things that seems simple on the surface, and
> > > usually is for most users, but there are enough edge cases that good
> > > sync is rare and good flexible sync even rarer.
> > >
> > > Having used Dropbox and Google Drive before moving my important stuff
> to
> > > Nextcloud, I've found not only more control over what gets synced and
> > > how, but also fewer conflict files than I used to see.
> > >
> > > All that said
> > >
> > >
> > > The real point of my post was to draw attention to the very useful
> > > WebDAV library bangkok posted from Matthias Rebbe:
> > >
> > >
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=11=32377=188319#p188099
> > >
> > >   You can :
> > >   -upload a file
> > >   -download a file
> > >   -create a folder
> > >   -delete a folder/file
> > >   -list the content of a folder (method PROPFIND)
> > >
> > > You can use this to talk to ANY server using the popular WebDAV
> standard.
> > >
> > > You can make custom workgroup solutions for a wide range of services,
> > > including PCloud and Google Drive, or with custom servers running the
> > > WebDAV modules available for Apache, Lightttpd, NginX, and more.
> > >
> > > The nice thing about also considering Nextcloud in the mix of platforms
> > > you might support with this library is that you have a ready audience
> of
> > > an estimated 250,000 installs, including many governments,
> universities,
> > > and both large and small businesses.  Extra bonus points that it has a
> > > nice UI for user management right in the box, and a thriving community
> > > of plugins extending it in new ways.
> > >
> > > I'm excited about what it's doing for my business today, and how I can
> > > lend that experience to helping other businesses with custom tools made
> > > in LiveCode tomorrow.
> > >
> > > WebDAV is kinda cool.  And thanks to Matthias' library, it's also fun.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Richa

Re: google sheets - anybody doing anything besides mergGoogle

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

@Kaveh
what are you using to connect to it?  are you using the sheets api or
something else?

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 2:34 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Bob Sneidar wrote:
>  > And again, I must caution that any local folders set to sync with a
>  > nextCloud device, if you then uncheck a subfolder, it will REMOVE THE
>  > LOCAL SUBFOLDER! The NextCloud people figured that the NextCloud
>  > device must become the master, and your own local files the slave.
>
> Ah, but there's the rub: the concepts of "master" and "slave" do not
> apply to peer syncing systems.
>
> Whether the behavior is correct or not depends on the use-case.  Most
> other sync systems avoid the question altogether by completely
> disallowing subfolder control. So if you want the same, limit your use
> of the options Nextcloud provides - just don't change the checkbox for
> subfolders.
>
> If you do choose to fine-tune your settings for subfolders, for the last
> several years the implications for the choice are described when you
> click the checkbox, requiring confirmation. If that's not what you want
> for your use case, the easiest solution (with any sync system) is to
> just move the folder outside of the one you've designated for syncing.
>
> If this specific scenario is of interest, and simply moving the folder
> isn't an option, these discussions will lend insight into the
> seemingly-simple-but-really-quite-nuanced behavior:
>
>
> https://help.nextcloud.com/t/unchecked-folders-will-be-removed-from-your-file-system/12335/18
>
> https://github.com/owncloud/client/issues/2502
>
> Sync is one of those things that seems simple on the surface, and
> usually is for most users, but there are enough edge cases that good
> sync is rare and good flexible sync even rarer.
>
> Having used Dropbox and Google Drive before moving my important stuff to
> Nextcloud, I've found not only more control over what gets synced and
> how, but also fewer conflict files than I used to see.
>
> All that said
>
>
> The real point of my post was to draw attention to the very useful
> WebDAV library bangkok posted from Matthias Rebbe:
>
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=11=32377=188319#p188099
>
>   You can :
>   -upload a file
>   -download a file
>   -create a folder
>   -delete a folder/file
>   -list the content of a folder (method PROPFIND)
>
> You can use this to talk to ANY server using the popular WebDAV standard.
>
> You can make custom workgroup solutions for a wide range of services,
> including PCloud and Google Drive, or with custom servers running the
> WebDAV modules available for Apache, Lightttpd, NginX, and more.
>
> The nice thing about also considering Nextcloud in the mix of platforms
> you might support with this library is that you have a ready audience of
> an estimated 250,000 installs, including many governments, universities,
> and both large and small businesses.  Extra bonus points that it has a
> nice UI for user management right in the box, and a thriving community
> of plugins extending it in new ways.
>
> I'm excited about what it's doing for my business today, and how I can
> lend that experience to helping other businesses with custom tools made
> in LiveCode tomorrow.
>
> WebDAV is kinda cool.  And thanks to Matthias' library, it's also fun.
>
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
>
>
>
>  >> On Mar 4, 2020, at 22:58 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
>  wrote:
>  >>
>  >> Useful for Anyone to Know:
>  >> -
>  >> I've raved about Nextcloud here enough that I'll bet Mark Wieder's
> tired of it , so I'll try to not let me enthusiasm run away with me -
> I could go on about Nextcloud for way more than anyone wants to read.
>  >>
>  >> It's like a blend of Dropbox, Google Docs, and more than a hundred
> add-on apps for everything from a kanban tool to media streaming to
> videoconferencing - all free and open source:
>  >>
>  >> https://nextcloud.com/
>  >>
>  >> I use one internallt, to sync my LiveCode plugins folder across my
> machines, as well as some client projects. And I use another externally
> as a client portal where we share files, a kanban board, etc.
>  >>
>  >> If you can set up an Apache Server under Ubuntu on a VPS, adding
> Nextcloud is as easy as a one-line Snap call.
>  >>
>  >> If you're not yet comfortable wrangling servers, there are many
> companies offering hosting listed at the site.
>  >>
>  >> Nextcloud's file repository is a WebDAV server, which makes it a
> perfect compliment to something that showed up in our community just the
> other day:
>  >
>
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google sheets - anybody doing anything besides mergGoogle

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

is anyone using anything besides mergGoogle to work with google sheets?
care to share, if you are?

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Re: iOS Dropbox access

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

why not use the dropbox library?

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 3:08 PM Marty Knapp via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I have a desktop app that reads data from a text file in Dropbox. I want
> to create an iOS app that can also read (but not write) the same text file.
> I've installed the Dropbox app on my iPhone but cannot figure out how to
> access my text file from my LC app like I do on the desktop version. Is
> that doable or do I need to use the LC "dropboxDownload" feature to get the
> latest text file?  I could switch to iCloud Drive if that would make things
> easier - would specialFolderPath(“Documents”) then give me access to my
> text file?
>
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xpaj-gen infection?

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

i decided to try out avast for mac, and almost immediately i got a message
that one of our compiled LC windoze apps is infected with xpaj-gen.  I
don't see this topic mentioned anywhere.  Sophos didn't ever see anything,
and neither did Norton.  So maybe it's a false positive, and maybe it's
something else that everyone but I know about.

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SSH and SCP in LiveCode

[Mike Felker via use-livecode]

Hello group.



Just joined but long-time LiveCode user.



I need SSH / SCP capability for LiveCode.



Anyone know how to use this (either the old external or by any other means)?



I do not thing TSNet will help in this case.



Thanks.



Mike




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Re: Give a bug a hug

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

agree

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 3:15 PM hh via use-livecode <
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> This is a wonderful project.
>
> Should be limited to bugs that are NOT regressions.
> And instead extended by feature requests.
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Re: Give a bug a hug

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

wow, i managed to mute this conversation.  fail.
@paul, that's exactly why we ponied up, too, as an insurance policy.  we
have been burned by numerous organizations either abandoning their software
work product or disappearing.  thankfully, for most of our mission-critical
stuff, we have, own, and maintain the source.
@Sean, I'm not generally thinking of the underlying engine for the bounty
program, I'm thinking of pieces in LCS/LCB.  In those cases, the PR doesn't
get submitted to the LC repo until whatever step it was further down.
There isn't any reason why private repos can't be used to manage this
process, especially with submodules.  The patrons would have access to the
repo, no one else would.
As for the conversation about the unfinished projects that all of us ponied
up for on a promise, I 100% agree, which is why the funds are escrowed.
The developer proposing a solution doesn't get paid until the patch is
tested and approved by the patrons of the patch.

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 11:02 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> +1 Richard. I got onboard with what user to be Runtime Revolution (I think
> it was version 2!) Where livecode is today is orders of magnitude more than
> it was when it first started. There was no datagrid. No way to display
> tabular data apart from a very simple table field. No arrays. Difficult and
> confusing database APIs. No mobile support. The list goes on.
>
> LC is like a really good girlfriend. She isn't everything I ever wanted,
> but she's good enough for me. :-)
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Oct 8, 2019, at 19:49 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Pi Digital wrote:
> >
> > >> On 8 Oct 2019, at 21:42, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> > >>
> > >> And here is a May 2016 update:
> > >>
> > >>
> https://livecode.com/trevor-devore-interviews-kevin-mark-on-infinite-livecode/
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> A small number of people keep going round and round on this a large
> > >> number of times.
> > >>
> > >> How many times will the same conversation happen before more recent
> > >> information is absorbed?
> > >
> > > An excellent article. Which part was you pointing to in reference to
> > > Lagi’s question about older campaigns funded that have still not met
> > > the core?
> >
> > There's a section in the middle listing off the accomplishments since
> the Kickstarter, and some of the discussion goes into how much of that was
> paid for out-of-pocket.
> >
> >
> > > And which part do you refer to when asserting that absorption of info
> > > is needed to reduce the same conversations recursion rate?
> >
> > The portion of Lagi's post I had originally quoted in my reply:
> >
> >This is what I was talking about being treated like mushrooms
> >- no communication as to what the future holds.- rough timescales
> >as to when new or reassigned resources will be implemented - what
> >is the intention with sqlite, 2d physics, Audio 
> >
> > He's one of about three people who keep going back to the Kickstarter
> list as some form of eternal damnation against the team, and he knows that
> I know that he's read comments here and in the forums from Kevin and other
> team members that have discussed all of that over and over and over and
> over again.
> >
> > How many times does Kevin need to post a mea culpa about being among the
> 80% of software project leaders that underestimated cost?  Apparently half
> a dozen isn't enough.
> >
> > In summary: Most of the list was delivered, most of the remainder is in
> the DB as feature requests to be completed as resources permit.
> >
> >
> > Kevin, Heather, Mark and others have been very forthcoming here about
> what the company is working on, at least to the degree that this community
> allows.  But there's not much allowance granted:
> >
> > As they've explained many times, they've joined the majority of
> companies less willing to offer loose projections about delivery times
> precisely because of things like this.  If they give a projected deadline
> and circumstances change, it will become a dominant and repeated theme
> among a very small but very vocal minority.  This isn't unique to LC; their
> previous candor was a distinction.  Now they operate like everyone else,
> because the moment they dare to discuss anything not already in the can
> they expose themselves to a continuation of this same tediousness that
> every other company figured out how to avoid by keeping cards close.
> >
> > Wanna know what Apple's working on for 2020? Good luck.
> >
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> > Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> > 
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Re: Give a bug a hug

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

i am so not being clear about this.  i hate it when no one else understands
what i'm not saying.
i am not proposing a system that is either administered by LC or where LC
is involved in the work.  what i am proposing is that all of us control
this process.  it's our money, right?  We propose the bounty, we control
the bounty, and we pay the bounty.  We don't care who collects the bounty
(if LC grabs all of it then go LC), as long as the damn bug gets fixed, or
the feature gets added, etc.

If I was designing this thing, it might look like this
_mikey's_crazy-dumb_bounty_program_
(v. 0.0.0.0.0.1)
for the sake of this thing, "bugs" and "features" and everything else are
the same.

• bugs are nominated
• in parallel estimates are submitted to fix a bug (both in terms of an ETA
and a cost) and patrons put up coin either as pledges or better yet in
escrow to finance fixing the bug, and include how long they're willing to
have their funds tied up waiting.
the estimates and the pledges stay under wraps.  as of the bid-open date,
all the estimators will know is if their estimate has been exceeded with
the pledged (escrowed) funds.  all the patrons know is that there are n
estimates (which may be an integer or may be a range) that can be funded
with the amount that has been escrowed.
• the blackout period begins, set by a consensus of the estimators and the
pledges and agreed to by both groups.  at this point anyone on either side
can pull out, and we reassess.  all estimators that are under the pledge
total get first crack at submitting a fix and collecting the bounty (their
bid).  if the time expires and no fix is submitted/passes initial tests,
then the bug is opened up to anyone, and the escrowed amount is revealed.
• if someone does not submit a fix, patrons can choose to remove funds,
apply them to a different bug, or let funds ride until the bug is funded
and someone decides to fix it.
• if no fix is submitted, but someone comes along a year from now and says
"hey, I can fix that for x", the original patrons are notified and given
the opportunity to get back in.
• if fix is accepted, patrons get access to it, and even though nobody
cares, get their name put on it and in it
• insert delay for patrons to test and report issues and for developer to
fix
• developer gets paid
• insert delay while patrons enjoy the benefit of financing the fix
• the fix is submitted as a PR to the rest of the world who didn't pony up
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Re: Give a bug a hug

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

Huh?  I'm suggesting that this be taken the direction of a bounty.
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Re: Give a bug a hug

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

there isn't any reason why bug bounties have to all go to the mothership.
you're (for lack of a better word) kickstarting a bug fix.  it's a bounty.
it should go to the person who delivers the fix, the bounty hunter.
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Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

poor comms don't make this better.  one good thing about LCG was that we
had bi-monthly updates.  this year, no comms.
i am less hopeful that the influx of new revenue will matter in the medium
term, because most of the effort will be on the requests that are tied to
the new revenue.
every time this has happened with any other tool we use here, we wait with
disappointment.  then at any sign of effort, we get excited, and then we
seep back into disappointment.
it's feeling like it's time to back-burner LC, too.  there is good energy
from about 50 people, but the mother ship is doing a poor job of managing
that energy.

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 5:56 AM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>
> It doesn't take a Sherlock home to work out that if (I hope when!)  LCFM
> works out that the company will have
> an influx of "new blood" with the attendant large increase in yearly
> subscriptions.
>
> My very short post (cut down from my usual rants) was lobbing a tiny hand
> grenade in to arena, and see if someone at LCHQ
> bites and tells us something of consequence rather than "it's going well"
> or LC will be the better for all the new stuff they are working on.
>
> Surely if they have some extra money coming in they can have someone
> working on finishing all the (paid for) promises and milestones.
> (HH and Sean  I feel your pain - HTML5 anyone?). I'm reading between the
> lines but Trevor probably knows how well it's doing - but the rest of use
> are being treated like mushrooms.
>
> "Soon" can be years rather than months and weeks - and typically is years.
> For example Filemaker has a precision of 16 to 400 digits. So that MUST
> have been coded for, will we get that retrofitted in the future .
> I'm not asking because I need 400 digits but you never know.
>
> Filemaker has data binding and field Validation.
>
> https://fmhelp.filemaker.com/help/16/fmp/en/#page/FMP_Help%2Ffield-validation.html%23
>
> (I could do that in Clipper in 1985 with field masks). Yes I've rolled my
> own but their are things  better done as a standard in an LC library.
>
> When is the IDE that still crashes at least 4 times a day whenever I  run
> through more than 5 breakpoints in succession,going to get some love.
> What about the Script Editor being SLOWER than molasses - 4 seconds between
> key presses.
> What about Sqlite engine/library, the 2D physics where we were told there
> was a working version over a year ago. The Sound on Linux. What about the
> raspberry PI version. I shouldn't need to go on.
>
> I want LCFM  to work like the next guy but please tell us what is going on
> and  when.
>
> I'd rather base my decisions on facts rather than airy fairy words.
>
> Are more programmers coming on board or is LCFM the new shiny object?
>
>
> 
> Sorry for the Mr Angry tone , but I'm a little (make that very irritated)
> at the moment, as I  just got off the phone to the Bank where the Zombie
> script reader who asked me 8 (countem EIGHT questions) to get me past
> security
> and I was only phoning up to ask why my Card Readers hadn't arrived.
> People can have £70,000 taken out of their accounts with just a sortcode,
> name and account number and I am asked for 8 pieces of information to ask
> where the card readers  that were ordered nearly 3 weeks ago were!!!
> 
>
> Regards Lagi
>
> p.s.
>
> Two Card readers turned up after my call. - Two more are on their way.
> Maybe if i look at downloads ther might be a version 10 Stable of Livecode
> ;-)
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 23:25, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > We all need livecode the company to be stable and profitable, so if they
> > have to temporarily focus on x to create long term viability, then they
> > should do it. Maybe just let everyone know what the plan isand maybe
> on
> > a release with multiple bug fixes such as 9.05 is important to prioritize
> > it a little bit.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 3:17 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On 10/2/19 11:24 AM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode wrote:
> > >
> > > > I suspect that the quick updates to LiveCode FM are a sign that the
> > > launch
> > > > at the FileMaker conference generated a lot of interest and there is
> > some
> > > > momentum building there. Perhaps they are trying to quickly fill in
> the
> > > > gaps based on that interest so that they can close more licensing
> > deals?
> > > If
> > > > that is the case and they can build that revenue source then it
> should
> > > > ultimately be a good thing for those of us who don't use LiveCode FM.
> > It
> > > is
> > > > unfortunate that LC has to sit mostly idle for so long though.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Indeed. There are currently some 200 or so pull requests waiting in the
> > > queue for action.
> > >
> > > I'm encouraged by this: https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/7185
> > >
> > > --
> > >   Mark Wieder
> > >   

DataGrid Scrolling problem

[Mike for GDC via use-livecode]

Hello,

 

I have a problem with a datagrid.   I cannot see the last couple of rows
when scrolling.  For instance if you have 100 lines and scroll to the bottom
of the grid you only get up to 98.  If you "hold" the scroll by forcing the
scroll to go to the bottom you can see lines 99 and 100 but because you are
holding the screen you cannot "select" either one of those lines.   When you
take your finger off the grid, the scroll immediately takes the last two
lines off the screen and you can just see up to line 98 again.   Hope this
description makes sense.

 

Thanks.

Mike

 

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Re: Hactoberfest is coming...

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

LOL, sorry, not a list field, a list of ideas.
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Re: Hactoberfest is coming...

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

wrong thread, i think, bob.

On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 10:55 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike.
>
> I do this already in some "popup" fields I use. (There are reasons I use
> fields instead of buttons I won't go into here.)
>
> Depending on the popup, I may have an option like "New Customer..." as the
> first line in a list field. For my customers I maintain the last 15
> customers accessed, and I store them between sessions in a local prefs file
> (each user needs their own recents). I have a Salesperson popup which
> behaves a bit differently. Here I maintain a list of salespersons in an SQL
> table called "lists" so that everyone sees the same list of salespersons.
> If a value is entered for a salesperson not in the list, I ask the user if
> they want to add this salesperson. This gives the user the opportunity to
> decline in case it is simply a mistype.
>
> I will often use a rawKeyUp handler to implement a hottype feature. Looks
> something like this:
>
> ON rawKeyUp
>IF the text of me is empty THEN
>   exit to top
>END IF
>
>wait .5 seconds WITH messages
>lock messages
>put filterOptions(lSalesPersons) into theSalesPersons
>listOptions theSalesPersons
>unlock messages
>select after me
>-- pass rawKeyUp
>exit to top
> END rawKeyUp
>
> lSalesPersons is script local variable that I populate with the
> salespersons on openField. filterOptions returns a list matching
> salespersons LIKE %%. listOptions
> populates the popup field so the user can select one of the filtered
> salespersons.
>
> HTH
>
> Bob S
>
> > On Oct 1, 2019, at 06:26 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Looking for ideas to add to a list that people can pick from.
> > The good news is that if you want a cheap PR to get you toward your
> > Hacktoberfest swag, instead of posting your idea here, you can update the
> > 100% totally unofficial LC hacktoberfest repo here:
> > https://github.com/macMikey/lc-hacktoberfest
>
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Re: Hactoberfest is coming...

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

Looking for ideas to add to a list that people can pick from.
The good news is that if you want a cheap PR to get you toward your
Hacktoberfest swag, instead of posting your idea here, you can update the
100% totally unofficial LC hacktoberfest repo here:
https://github.com/macMikey/lc-hacktoberfest

On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 4:40 PM Mike Kerner 
wrote:

> click on the "start hacking" button in the page and you can sign up.  i
> don't know what it will do for people who don't already have a github
> account, but here's what I got:
>
>
>
> [image: Hacktoberfest 2019]
>
>
>
> You’re officially registered for Hacktoberfest 2019! So we wanted to send
> you everything you’ll need to help you get started.
>
> A good place to dive in is our Details
> <https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com/details> page, which breaks down
> the fine print for this year’s event. We also put together a list of
> contribution ideas that may help spark some contribution ideas. If you’d
> like to link up with other local Hacktoberfest participants, have a look at
> our Events <https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com/events> page to see
> what’s happening near you. For common questions, take a look at our FAQs
> <https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com/faq>. And finally, check out the 
> "Getting
> Started <https://dev.to/getting-started-with-hacktoberfest>" resource put
> together by our friends over at DEV <https://dev.to/>.
>
> As this year’s event kicks off, we hope you’ll spread the word about
> #Hacktoberfest across your social media channels!
>
> Happy Hacking,
> Team Hacktoberfest
>
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 5:50 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Was that response email for signing up to GitHub perhaps. The
>> Hacktoberfest site says everywhere I look:
>>
>> You can sign up anytime between October 1 and October 31.
>>
>> There are no links I can find to sign up to the fest yet, just a few
>> links to github which will ask you to sign in/up when it loads.
>>
>> Sean Cole
>> Pi Digital Prod Ltd
>>
>> > On 26 Sep 2019, at 21:47, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > are you sure?  i registered 10 minutes before i posted that email and
>> > received a confirmation, so did i post the wrong link?
>> >
>> >> On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 5:06 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
>> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Correction. You can only begin registering from 1st October according
>> to
>> >> the site.
>> >>
>> >> I’m going to be submitting a bunch of fixes and updates for HTML5
>> >> deployment to get it usable professionally again. But I have to weave
>> this
>> >> around my (barely) paid work developing a web app using the broken
>> version
>> >> (with the current workarounds which are enough for now).
>> >>
>> >> Sean Cole
>> >> Pi Digital Prod Ltd
>> >>
>> >>> On 25 Sep 2019, at 21:05, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> The Hacktoberfest registration is now open:
>> >>> https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com
>> >>> <
>> >>
>> https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com/?utm_source=local_medium=email_campaign=Hacktoberfest2019
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Get registered and then between October 1, and 31, make 3 pull
>> requests
>> >> to
>> >>> projects housed on GitHub, and get your 2019 Hactoberfest swag!
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 12:43 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
>> >>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Just want to point out a good candidate for pull requests here. Ripe
>> for
>> >>>> some sample xtalk code:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> https://github.com/EricAlcaide/Rosetta_Project
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Mark Wieder
>> >>>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
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Re: Hactoberfest is coming...

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

click on the "start hacking" button in the page and you can sign up.  i
don't know what it will do for people who don't already have a github
account, but here's what I got:



[image: Hacktoberfest 2019]



You’re officially registered for Hacktoberfest 2019! So we wanted to send
you everything you’ll need to help you get started.

A good place to dive in is our Details
<https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com/details> page, which breaks down
the fine print for this year’s event. We also put together a list of
contribution ideas that may help spark some contribution ideas. If you’d
like to link up with other local Hacktoberfest participants, have a look at
our Events <https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com/events> page to see
what’s happening near you. For common questions, take a look at our FAQs
<https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com/faq>. And finally, check out
the "Getting
Started <https://dev.to/getting-started-with-hacktoberfest>" resource put
together by our friends over at DEV <https://dev.to/>.

As this year’s event kicks off, we hope you’ll spread the word about
#Hacktoberfest across your social media channels!

Happy Hacking,
Team Hacktoberfest

On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 5:50 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Was that response email for signing up to GitHub perhaps. The
> Hacktoberfest site says everywhere I look:
>
> You can sign up anytime between October 1 and October 31.
>
> There are no links I can find to sign up to the fest yet, just a few links
> to github which will ask you to sign in/up when it loads.
>
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital Prod Ltd
>
> > On 26 Sep 2019, at 21:47, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > are you sure?  i registered 10 minutes before i posted that email and
> > received a confirmation, so did i post the wrong link?
> >
> >> On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 5:06 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Correction. You can only begin registering from 1st October according to
> >> the site.
> >>
> >> I’m going to be submitting a bunch of fixes and updates for HTML5
> >> deployment to get it usable professionally again. But I have to weave
> this
> >> around my (barely) paid work developing a web app using the broken
> version
> >> (with the current workarounds which are enough for now).
> >>
> >> Sean Cole
> >> Pi Digital Prod Ltd
> >>
> >>> On 25 Sep 2019, at 21:05, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The Hacktoberfest registration is now open:
> >>> https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com
> >>> <
> >>
> https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com/?utm_source=local_medium=email_campaign=Hacktoberfest2019
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Get registered and then between October 1, and 31, make 3 pull requests
> >> to
> >>> projects housed on GitHub, and get your 2019 Hactoberfest swag!
> >>>
> >>>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 12:43 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> >>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Just want to point out a good candidate for pull requests here. Ripe
> for
> >>>> some sample xtalk code:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://github.com/EricAlcaide/Rosetta_Project
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Mark Wieder
> >>>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
> >>>>
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Re: Hactoberfest is coming...

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

are you sure?  i registered 10 minutes before i posted that email and
received a confirmation, so did i post the wrong link?

On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 5:06 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Correction. You can only begin registering from 1st October according to
> the site.
>
> I’m going to be submitting a bunch of fixes and updates for HTML5
> deployment to get it usable professionally again. But I have to weave this
> around my (barely) paid work developing a web app using the broken version
> (with the current workarounds which are enough for now).
>
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital Prod Ltd
>
> > On 25 Sep 2019, at 21:05, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > The Hacktoberfest registration is now open:
> > https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com
> > <
> https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com/?utm_source=local_medium=email_campaign=Hacktoberfest2019
> >
> >
> > Get registered and then between October 1, and 31, make 3 pull requests
> to
> > projects housed on GitHub, and get your 2019 Hactoberfest swag!
> >
> >> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 12:43 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Just want to point out a good candidate for pull requests here. Ripe for
> >> some sample xtalk code:
> >>
> >> https://github.com/EricAlcaide/Rosetta_Project
> >>
> >> --
> >>  Mark Wieder
> >>  ahsoftw...@gmail.com
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Help with iOS app submission.

[Mike for GDC via use-livecode]

I would like to get some help (consulting) to help me with the final stage
of uploading an app to the app store.  Can pay your going rate for help.

Please contact me directly if interested.

 

Thanks.

 

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Re: Hactoberfest is coming...

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

The Hacktoberfest registration is now open:
https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com


Get registered and then between October 1, and 31, make 3 pull requests to
projects housed on GitHub, and get your 2019 Hactoberfest swag!

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 12:43 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
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> Just want to point out a good candidate for pull requests here. Ripe for
> some sample xtalk code:
>
> https://github.com/EricAlcaide/Rosetta_Project
>
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>   ahsoftw...@gmail.com
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Re: Maintenance forever?

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Ugh.  I feel your pain on the RAID failure.  We had one fail on our primary
ERP server about a month ago when a drive controller bit it.  The
corruption then propogated to the rest of the array.  The machine first
locked up then was unbootable.  About five hours later the team gave up on
the transaction log because it took a hit as well.  The good news was it
happened on a Friday, so even though the guys were working on it through
Sunday, operations were only minimally affected by it.
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Re: Hactoberfest is coming...

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

Here is your first request for:
* Repos to add to the list of LC projects to be targeted for some effort.
So far I've added the LC IDE and Levure
* Issues and bug reports to be added to the list of things the community
might be able to tackle and resolve quickly, everything from minor bugs or
documentation issues all the way up to IDE mods.
* Contributors who are interested in helping to maintain the 100%
unofficial, unsanctioned livecode hacktoberfest project and maybe turn it
into something better.
Go to https://macmikey.github.io/lc-hacktoberfest/
Fork or clone the repo
Have at it
Commit and issue a pull request back.

On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 5:47 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Good work, thanks Mikey.
>
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital Prod Ltd
>
> > On 31 Aug 2019, at 22:27, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > OK, Mikey's 100% unofficial livecode hacktoberfest idea exchange repo is
> > now live.
> > https://macmikey.github.io/lc-hacktoberfest/
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 11:22 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, very good idea.  I got my first shirt last year.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Brian
> >> On Aug 30, 2019, 11:05 PM -0400, Mikey via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> >>> Hactoberfest is a month away. That's github's event that awards some
> swag
> >>> like tshirts and stickers in exchange for pull requests to open source
> >>> repos. Last year to get your swag you had to submit 4 PR's.
> >>> We've got a month, so maybe now would be a good time to develop a list
> of
> >>> LC repos that deserve our time, changes/additions/features we want to
> >>> implement, and get a bunch of people into the swing of contributing to
> >>> these LC projects.
> >>> We also need to help the people who have never done this help
> themselves.
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