Re: Can I put advisory text in an 'ask' dialog?
I use a similar technique for option menus. Set the text property to the initial advisory (suitably colored). On mouseDown' set the text to the real options. On Apr 12, 2012 1:48 PM, "Graham Samuel" wrote: > Thanks very much Hugh Senior, Ken Ray and Mark Smith for their solutions, > which are going in my scrapbook and then of course into the relevant > projects. > > Graham > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: you know, that text that pops up when the pointer is over an object
That's the tooltip. On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Dar Scott wrote: > I'm not remembering the name of the property for the text that comes up > when you hold the mouse pointer over an object. I browsed through the > dictionary and nothing rings a bell. > > Dar > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
Got it, thanks Warren. Pete On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Warren Samples wrote: > It was Mark who commented that tar+compression seems like too much work > without any benefit, and my original comment was mostly a response to that > thought. -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
Hi Tim, The origin of this thread was me trying to automate the packaging of the app at my end by writing a script to handle the standaloneSaved message. It used the revZIPxxx commands which, unfortunately, don't seem to work very well, so other scripted solutions were offered, including tar and zip. I can definitely continue to create the compressed files manually in a format that will work just fine for Mac and WIndows (and hopefully Linux). I'm thinking about a proper installer but, other than moving the application to it's appropriate folder for the platform, there's nothing else to do so it just seems like overkill. Pete On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Tim Jones wrote: > On Apr 10, 2012, at 5:54 PM, Pete wrote: > > > Hi Warren, > > It's the un-zipping at the other end that concerns me, not the zip on my > > machine. Sounds like the ability to handle tar files might require a > > Windows user to install some software. > > You might be surprised at just how many Windows users actually already > have one of these installed. Far too many developers shortcut the > installer process and go this route. That means that a lot of apps > floating around in Windows space are already in tar, zip, rar, or other > "non-standard" Windows file format. To access these, the Windows users > have already had to install an appropriate tool. > > Don't be afraid of something just because you're not an expert. We've > (app creators) been using these formats to deliver files and data to users > for as long as I've been doing this (over 30 years at this point…). If > you're not going to be using an installer, then a zip file or tarball are > very valid and accepted formats for delivery. > > Tim > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
Hi Warren, It's the un-zipping at the other end that concerns me, not the zip on my machine. Sounds like the ability to handle tar files might require a Windows user to install some software. Pete On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Warren Samples wrote: > On 04/10/2012 07:04 PM, Pete wrote: > >> I guess my primary concern is that a user can simply download the >> compressed file and either have his browser autoatically un-compress it or >> just be able to double-click on it to un-compress it, then have the >> program >> be ready to use. I may be misunderstanding but sounds like it might not >> be >> that straightforward with tar? >> Pete >> > > I wouldn't say there's anything difficult about compressing using > tar+bzip2, which gives much higher compression than ZIP. > > In a terminal: > > cd to directory containing the directory you want to archive and compress > > issue the command: tar cfj name-of-archive-to-create.tbz2 > name-of-directory-to-archive > > Done > > It seems simple enough. > > Warren > > > > > > __**_ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode<http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
Yeah, it was the earlier comment about WIndows that scared me. Now, if only the revZIP commands worked OK, we wouldn't be excahnging these emails! Pete On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > Hi Pete, > > On Mac, the BOM Archiver can also decompress tar files. On Windows, > additional software is needed. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > KvK: 50277553 > > Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6 > > On 11 apr 2012, at 02:04, Pete wrote: > > > I guess my primary concern is that a user can simply download the > > compressed file and either have his browser autoatically un-compress it > or > > just be able to double-click on it to un-compress it, then have the > program > > be ready to use. I may be misunderstanding but sounds like it might not > be > > that straightforward with tar? > > Pete > > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
I guess my primary concern is that a user can simply download the compressed file and either have his browser autoatically un-compress it or just be able to double-click on it to un-compress it, then have the program be ready to use. I may be misunderstanding but sounds like it might not be that straightforward with tar? Pete On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > Hi Tim, > > Yes, you're right, tar is older. Nonetheless, can you think of any other > reason why one would want to use tar, except for glueing files together in > preparation of compression? I'm not sure what you mean by "property bundle > up bits of code". > > I don't think that tar is available on Windows by default, but that's > another story. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > KvK: 50277553 > > Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6 > > On 11 apr 2012, at 01:14, Tim Jones wrote: > > > On Apr 10, 2012, at 4:02 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> Tar is a bad idea because it glues files together and doesn't compress. > Tar was invented to allow gzip to compress multiple files. It is easier and > faster to use the zip command line tool rather than to use both tar and > gzip. Many unix geeks still prefer tar+gzip but I'm not sure why. > > > > Wha??? > > > > "tar" (Tape ARchiver) has been around since before we even considered > compression schemes. It wasn't until the Linux / FreeBSD movement that > compression options were added. On most systems still using AT&T tar > sources, you have to compress an archive after tar creates it and > decompress an archive before tar can extract its contents. > > > > We prefer tar and a compressor because it allows up to properly bundle > up bits of code, regardless of the file types, and share them with others > while reduing the overall footprint required on disk and for transfer. The > tar app is available in one form or another on every platform out there, so > you can pretty much always open another's tarball. > > > > In fact, I believe Dennis' original PDP MULTIX 9-track install tapes > used a precursor to the modern tar format. > > > > Tim > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
[ANN] SQLiteAdmin
I'm happy to announce the release of my first commercial Livecode application, SQLiteAdmin, a db admin tool for SQLite databases. A 30-day trial version of SQLiteAdmin is available at www.lcsql.com/products.html In recognition of the amazing amount of knowledge imparted to me by subscribers to this list, I am making SQLiteAdmin available for $4.99, a $20 discount, to any list member until midnight on Friday April 13th. Please email me off list at p...@lcsql.com if you would like to take advantage of this deal, and I will send you a link to buy it at that price. SQLiteAdmin has been tested on OS X and Windows. I do not have access to Linux (yet!) but would be happy to compile a Linux standalone for anyone who would be willing to try it and give me feedback on what changes might be needed to make it a viable Linux product. OK, now on to the sales pitch. SQLiteAdmin is a full-featured administration tool for SQLite databases that removes all of the restrictions and omissions inherent in the standard SQLite Data Definition Language. You can safely add, modify, or delete any of the properties of a table or column including name, data type, data length, primary key, foreign key, check, unique, not null, and default constraints, all while maintaining the integrity of your data. SQLiteAdmin extends the DDL even further with convenience features that provide you with the ability to add multiple columns that share the same properties with a single click, and optional automatic index creation for foreign key fields. SQLiteAdmin provides complete data export and import capability in a number of formats including csv, delimited text files with your choice of delimiter, and SQL INSERT statements. You can export all or selected rows of a table. You can also export the CREATE statements necessary to build your database, with or without the INSERT statements to populate it. With SQLiteAdmin's Utilities view, you will be able to audit your database, get recommendations for better performance, and modify any of your database's PRAGMA settings. SQLiteAdmin's Browse view gives you access to the SQLite Data Manipulation Language. You can display data from any table with filtering capability on any columns in the table, select the columns you want to view and display them in your preferred sequence, all by "filling in the blanks" instead of writing any SQL statements. The Browse Tool also provides complete insert, duplicate, update and delete capabilities, including modification or deletion of multiple rows in one operation. And you can save your filter definitions, column selections, and sort sequence for later use. If you need to write your own SQL statements, you can enter any SQLite command in SQLiteAdmin's SQL tool and execute it. SQL commands can be saved and recalled for later use. SQliteAdmin includes full support for in memory databases and also provides the ability to save an in memory database as a permanent disk file. A 30-day demo version of SQLiteAdmin is available at http://www.lcsql.com/products.html. Some functionality is disabled in the demo version. -- Peter Haworth lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com> -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
Thanks Mark, I'll take a look. Pete On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > Pete, > > This is a line from my Compression Tool software. It zips without the > .DS_Store files. Item -1 of fld "File" is the name of a file or folder in > the current defaultFolder. > > put "zip -r" && quote & myZipFile & quote && quote & item -1 of fld > "File" & quote && " -x .* *.DS_Store *Icon*" into myShell > > Installer Maker compresses all embedded files with the compress() > function. Compressing the resulting installer again hardly saves any space. > The compress() function is very efficient. > > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > KvK: 50277553 > > Get the extIco2Png external for LiveCode here http://qery.us/1w6 > > On 10 apr 2012, at 17:25, Pete wrote: > > > Thanks guys. I was hoping for a way to automate this and a few other > steps > > involved in getting my app ready for release by using the standaloneSaved > > message, that's why I was using the revZIPxxx commands. > > > > I was also hoping that they would get around the problem I came across > with > > the built in Mac compress function when the archive is unzipped on a > > Windows machine - some unnecessary files are included in the archive - > > .dstore if I remember correctly. I found a program named CleanArchiver > > that gets around that problem but, once again, makes it difficult to > > automate things using an external program. > > > > I'll give tar a try. > > > > Pete > > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Zipping Up an LC standalone program
Thanks guys. I was hoping for a way to automate this and a few other steps involved in getting my app ready for release by using the standaloneSaved message, that's why I was using the revZIPxxx commands. I was also hoping that they would get around the problem I came across with the built in Mac compress function when the archive is unzipped on a Windows machine - some unnecessary files are included in the archive - .dstore if I remember correctly. I found a program named CleanArchiver that gets around that problem but, once again, makes it difficult to automate things using an external program. I'll give tar a try. Pete On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 8:48 PM, stephen barncard < stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com> wrote: > tar (from the shell) works even better. > > On 9 April 2012 19:29, Kee Nethery wrote: > > > Or just use the Mac Archive or Compress menu item in the Finder. It works > > great. > > > > Kee > > ___ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > -- > > > > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco Ca. USA > > more about sqb <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar> > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Zipping Up an LC standalone program
Been putting together a litte script to get all my files ready for a release and used the revZIPxxx commands to make a zip file of the LC standalone program - this all on a Mac. The resulting zip file is only 4kb in size, obvioulsy not correct. The code is pretty straightfroward: revZipOpenArchive myZipFile,"write" *if* the result is not empty *then* *answer* the result *answer* file "Zip file" revZipAddItemWithFile myZipFile,"myApp.app",it *if* the result is not empty *then* *answer* the result revZipCloseArchive myZipFile Zipping the same file with the built-in OS X compress function works fine and so does the CleanARchiver utitlity. ANy ideas? -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Disabling a tab
Phil and Marty,
Wanted to pass on to you that, while the enable/disable solution, it
changes the selectedtext property of the tab control. Didn;t get a chance
to see if using the "(" prefix did the same thing or not.
Pete
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
> Hi Pete,
>
> As usual in Livecode, there are multiple ways to disable a tab. If you
> want to manipulate the button text directly, you can put "(" before the
> line of button text for the tab you want to disable. Or to enable all tabs,
> replace "(" with empty in text of btn 1.
>
> Best -
> Phil
>
>
>
> On 4/1/12 1:45 PM, Pete wrote:
>
>> Thanks Marty. Sometimes the obvious just slips by me!
>> Pete
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Marty Knapp
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Pete,
>>> Using "disable menuItem 2 of btn "Tab Menu" seems to work.
>>>
>>> Marty Knapp
>>>
>>> I have a tab control and I'm using the method of revealing data on each
>>>
>>>> tab
>>>> by having groups with the same name as each tab which are hidden/shown
>>>> when
>>>> a tab is clicked.
>>>>
>>>> Depending on data conditions, I need to disable one of the tabs, meaning
>>>> that clicking ion it has no effect. Right now, I'm doing this in a
>>>> selectionChanged handler that checks the data condition, beeps if the
>>>> use
>>>> clicks on a disallowed tab, and leaves the original tab/group displayed.
>>>>
>>>> That works OK but there is no visual indication that the tab is not
>>>> available. Ideally, I'd like the text in the tab heading to be greyed
>>>> out,
>>>> kinda like a disabled menu item. Any ideas how to do that?
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: OT: mails bouncing back?
What Richard said! However, it's ironic that I became aware of Livecode through one of these blacklistsing incidents. I was a memebre of a forum for one of the blacklisting sites and Heather put a post on there becaue the RunRev serevers were blacklisted there too. We exchanged emails about the problem, I noticed the product and bought it. So sometimes, there really are silver linings! Pete On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Tim Jones wrote: > > > On Apr 3, 2012, at 7:19 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > > >> I've had domains caught up with sloppy blacklisting schemes myself. > >> > >> It's not a problem with RunRev, or their host, but with the lazy > >> nature of a few blacklisting systems. > > > > Actually, in this case, it is their host. GoDaddy needs to tighten > > up their "secureserver.net" environment to eliminate the spamming > > that occurs. Their servers are high on the list of even the most > > legitimate blacklist maintainers (Barracuda, for instance). > > I'm no fan of GoDaddy so it wouldn't surprise me if they've been willing > to turn a blind eye to illegal activity to maintain that income until > they're absolutely forced to do the right thing. > > They wouldn't be alone on this: a few years ago it was well known that > some 30% of global spam was originating from three regions in Florida, but > neither the feds nor the downstream providers did anything to enforce the > law. Ultimately a few upstream providers got tired of carrying all that > wasteful traffic and blocked it all in the backbone themselves, only after > which the feds finally decided to show up for work and make an arrest. The > local hosts never explained why they'd never taken care of it themselves, > and sadly the reprieve was short-lived as that traffic eventually moved to > the Ukraine, where it flourishes in an apparently lawless environment today. > > But back on topic: > > Blocking entire IP ranges is not a responsible way to blacklist, since it > can - an inevitably does - affect legitimate users. It's simply lazy, a > ham-fisted scorched-earth way to solve a problem that requires more > surgical methods. > > In fact, it seems On-Rev.com may be a very good example of how this gets > out of hand so easily, since AFAIK their servers aren't on GoDaddy at all, > but on SoftLayer: > > <http://on-rev.com/hosting/**our-data-center/<http://on-rev.com/hosting/our-data-center/> > > > > And even if some accounts were host by GoDaddy, unless those specific > servers are used for illegal activity there's no excuse for any responsible > blacklisting service to block them. > > Spam is indeed a serious problem, but when attempts to stop it shut down > legitimate businesses the "cure" is every bit as bad as the problem itself, > arguably worse. > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com > LiveCode Journal blog: > http://LiveCodejournal.com/**blog.irv<http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv> > > __**_ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode<http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [on-rev]Line endings for a db query
Do you mean decimal 10 or octal 10? Decimal 10 is newline (which is what I'd expect), octal 10 is backspace. Pete On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > I just checked to see what revDataFromQuery uses for a row delimiter by > default, if you do not provide one. It returns ascii 10, the backspace > character! Very odd. Must be an HTML thingummy. > > I then specified comma and cr as the column and row delimiters like so: > > put revDataFromQuery(comma,cr,theConnID,"select * from events") & cr > into theSQLData > put revDataFromQuery(comma,cr,theConnID,"select * from clients") & cr > after theSQLData > > This produced NO extra line that I could see. If you still get an extra > line using this method, I suspect you have a blank record in your table. > > Bob > > > On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Martin Koob wrote: > > > Hi Peter > > > > Thanks, I just tried your suggestion. > > > > That still inserts blank lines into the variable that I have to filter > out > > later. > > > > It seems the revDataFromQuery does not insert an end of line character > after > > the last record and > > it seems that the end of line character that is used to separate lines in > > the variable is not the same as the return or LF constants in LiveCode. > > > > Martin > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/on-rev-Line-endings-for-a-db-query-tp4526068p4526757.html > > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > ___ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [on-rev]Line endings for a db query
Hi Martin, That's strange. I just tried the following test: put revDataFromQuery(,,gDBID,"SELECT * FROM t1) into tVar put return & revDataFromQuery(,,gDBID,"SELECT * FROM t1) after tVar tVar looked just like it should after the above, no blank lines. Are you using the default rowdelim character for revDataFromQuery? What platform are you on? My test was done on a Mac. Pete On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Martin Koob wrote: > Hi Peter > > Thanks, I just tried your suggestion. > > That still inserts blank lines into the variable that I have to filter out > later. > > It seems the revDataFromQuery does not insert an end of line character > after > the last record and > it seems that the end of line character that is used to separate lines in > the variable is not the same as the return or LF constants in LiveCode. > > Martin > > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/on-rev-Line-endings-for-a-db-query-tp4526068p4526757.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: OT: mails bouncing back?
I got caught in this web a couple of years back (I think it was with GoDaddy). Here's the problem I have with the blacklist sites. Their blanket blackballing of servers means that the 99% of users who are using it for genuine, non-spam emails get dumped on for the sins of the 1%. Personally, I sgtrongly object to having my genuine emails blocked in this fashion. It's illegal to tamper with the US Mail and it should be illegal to block the delivery of genuine email as well. End of rant! Pete On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Tim Jones wrote: > It appears that OnRev uses GoDaddy services as the "secureserver.net" > servers belong to them. Because of GoDaddy's "easy" online setup, spammers > / scammers are able to pop in, perform a hit-and-run with their mail > broadcast, and the security team doesn't catch it and disable the account > into it's already a problem. > > It sounds to me like RunRev should examine alternate mail service > providers for the OnRev solution since secureserver.net is very deeply > entrenched in the blacklists. > > Tim > . > On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:31 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > > > Klaus- > > > > Monday, April 2, 2012, 8:22:44 AM, you wrote: > > > >> My web and email hoster is RunRev (on-rev). > > > >> So my hoster has a bad reputation? > >> If yes, how come? What can I do? > > > >> Can anyone tell me who is to blame here, I plea not guilty!? :-D > > > > I no longer use the on-rev smtp server because of this problem. Use > > your local isp's smtp server instead. > > > > -- > > -Mark Wieder > > mwie...@ahsoftware.net > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: getProp syntax query
Hi Graham, Mark expalined the syntax I think. You probably already realise this, but using getProp isn't an integral part of the datagrid, I think Trevor just used it as an example. Since you're doing a spreadsheet, I assume you'd want to multiply any 2 columns together, not specific ones. If that's the case, you could consider putting a handler in the datagrid's group script that takes the column names as parameters and returns the result. Something like: function multiplyColumns pcol1,pcol2 put the dgHilitedLine of me into tLine try put GetDataOfLine(tLine,pcol1) * GetDataOfLine(tline,pcol2) into tresult catch terr return terr end try return tresult end multiplyColumns The try is in there in case one of the columns doesn't contain numeric data or the column name doesn't exist but you could ctach that other ways. Datagrids are great but it takes a while to get to grips with them! Pete On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 3:13 AM, Graham Samuel wrote: > For the very first time in a pretty long career as a LiveCode coder, I'm > trying to make sense of DataGrids, which I see were a heroic effort to > extend LiveCode - with a very sophisticated implementation and literally > hundreds of pages of documentation. AFAIK it was done by Trevor deVore - I > am deeply impressed, even as I stumble. > > I am trying to implement some spreadsheet-like behaviour and have fallen > more or less at the first fence during the lesson on Page 94 "How do I get > Aggregate Values for Columns?". > > I can make the example work if I follow it exactly. It depends on a > getProp handler the first line of which is: > > getprop uSumOfColumn [pColumn] > > I would like to multiply two columns using this as a starting point, so I > would like to refer to two columns in my getProp handler. However when I > look up getProp in the LC documentation, I don't see that getProp can take > any parameters at all, certainly not an array reference, so my attempt to > extend this structure with a line like > > getProp usMultipleOfColumns [pColumn1] [ pColumn2] > > can't be compiled - putting a comma in between the parameters (if that's > what they are) doesn't help. As you see I have no idea what I'm doing. My > question is, how does the syntax of the original getProp handler work? How > is the bit in square brackets allowed, and why isn't it featured in the LC > documentation? If I did want to provide a getProp handler with the names of > two different columns, how would I do it? I do realise there are much more > pedestrian ways of achieving what I want, but it seems important to > understand the mechanism shown in the DataGrid docs. > > Ignorantly > > Graham > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [on-rev]Line endings for a db query
Try if tvar is empty then put stuff into tvar else put return & stuff after tvar end ig On Apr 2, 2012 8:13 AM, "Pete Haworth" wrote: > Line delimiters are squirly! Try this pseudo code: > > if tvar is empty then > Put stuff into tvar > else > put return & stuff after tvar > end if > > If you can tell its the fitst time thru your loop, you can check for that > instead of tvar empty. > > Pete > On Apr 2, 2012 7:49 AM, "Martin Koob" wrote: > >> Actually I typed too soon. >> >> adding a LF or a return after tSamplesList variable then deleting the last >> line actually deletes the last record from the query in the tSamplesList >> variable. >> >> Back to square one. >> >> Martin >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/on-rev-Line-endings-for-a-db-query-tp4526068p4526238.html >> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Disabling a tab
Thanks Phil. I think the "(" is the standard char to disable menu items,
so that makes sense. I did notice the "(" character in front of the lines
that I disabled.
Pete
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
> Hi Pete,
>
> As usual in Livecode, there are multiple ways to disable a tab. If you
> want to manipulate the button text directly, you can put "(" before the
> line of button text for the tab you want to disable. Or to enable all tabs,
> replace "(" with empty in text of btn 1.
>
> Best -
> Phil
>
>
>
> On 4/1/12 1:45 PM, Pete wrote:
>
>> Thanks Marty. Sometimes the obvious just slips by me!
>> Pete
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Marty Knapp
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Pete,
>>> Using "disable menuItem 2 of btn "Tab Menu" seems to work.
>>>
>>> Marty Knapp
>>>
>>> I have a tab control and I'm using the method of revealing data on each
>>>
>>>> tab
>>>> by having groups with the same name as each tab which are hidden/shown
>>>> when
>>>> a tab is clicked.
>>>>
>>>> Depending on data conditions, I need to disable one of the tabs, meaning
>>>> that clicking ion it has no effect. Right now, I'm doing this in a
>>>> selectionChanged handler that checks the data condition, beeps if the
>>>> use
>>>> clicks on a disallowed tab, and leaves the original tab/group displayed.
>>>>
>>>> That works OK but there is no visual indication that the tab is not
>>>> available. Ideally, I'd like the text in the tab heading to be greyed
>>>> out,
>>>> kinda like a disabled menu item. Any ideas how to do that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: Disabling a tab
Thanks Marty. Sometimes the obvious just slips by me! Pete On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Marty Knapp wrote: > Hey Pete, > Using "disable menuItem 2 of btn "Tab Menu" seems to work. > > Marty Knapp > > I have a tab control and I'm using the method of revealing data on each >> tab >> by having groups with the same name as each tab which are hidden/shown >> when >> a tab is clicked. >> >> Depending on data conditions, I need to disable one of the tabs, meaning >> that clicking ion it has no effect. Right now, I'm doing this in a >> selectionChanged handler that checks the data condition, beeps if the use >> clicks on a disallowed tab, and leaves the original tab/group displayed. >> >> That works OK but there is no visual indication that the tab is not >> available. Ideally, I'd like the text in the tab heading to be greyed >> out, >> kinda like a disabled menu item. Any ideas how to do that? >> >> >> > > __**_ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode<http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Disabling a tab
I have a tab control and I'm using the method of revealing data on each tab by having groups with the same name as each tab which are hidden/shown when a tab is clicked. Depending on data conditions, I need to disable one of the tabs, meaning that clicking ion it has no effect. Right now, I'm doing this in a selectionChanged handler that checks the data condition, beeps if the use clicks on a disallowed tab, and leaves the original tab/group displayed. That works OK but there is no visual indication that the tab is not available. Ideally, I'd like the text in the tab heading to be greyed out, kinda like a disabled menu item. Any ideas how to do that? -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Progress Bar
Thanks Geoff, I like the concept of time based updated rather than based on number of records processed. Pete On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote: > I'll throw my 2 cents in here as well -- I've found that it doesn't impact > performance significantly to check ticks() each time through the loop. So > instead of a fixed number of iterations, which can lead to a jumpy progress > bar or excessive updates if what you're doing in the loop varies much, I do > this: > > if ticks() > T then > --update the progress bar > put ticks() + 10 into T -- your choice how smooth you want it > end if > > Sent from my iPad > > On Mar 29, 2012, at 6:20 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > > > Use a counter to increment progress > > every 2nd, 5th, 10th loop (whatever makes sense), so updating progress > has a > > lower impact on the repeat loop. > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Preferences
Actually, yes, I think that is what happened. I'm still using 5.0 on a daily basis but I ran 5.5 yesterday to try a couple of things. I'll get ther latest 5.5. Pete On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 3:07 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 3/30/12 1:55 PM, Pete wrote: > >> Somehow or other, LC has lost my preference settings. >> >> Where is the Preferences file kept on OS X? I can restore from Time >> Machine backup. >> >> >> > ~/Library/Preferences/RunRev/**livecode.rev > > Some early releases of LiveCode 5.5 accidentally saved that file in the > new 5.5 format, which means if you later re-launch 5.02 it can't be read. > It's been fixed since then, so you may want to re-download from your store > account if that could be what happened. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > __**_ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode<http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Preferences
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Re: Progress Bar
Those quantum guys are such pranksters! Pete On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Peter M. Brigham, MD wrote: > On Mar 29, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Mike Bonner wrote: > > > Its a particle.. Its a wave! its a particle. Its a wave! Its a cat in a > > box! > > Coincidence -- someone just sent me today a cartoon: a fake poster: > > Reward! $1,000,000,000 > Schroedinger's Cat > Wanted Dead and Alive > > -- Peter > > Peter M. Brigham > pmb...@gmail.com > http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] ACer A100 Tablet
Folks, I prowled around the CyanogenMod web site and it looks great BUT... nowhere can I find how to install it on my phone. I also see various issues about having to reload some of the Google apps like Maps apps after upgrading. SO, all-in-all, this makes me pretty nervous, I'd like to upgarde but I don't want to end up with a dead phone! I also tried the OTA Update on my phone (HTC Incredible from Verizon) but seem to always get a "service not available" message. Pete On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Tim Jones wrote: > That's a good guess. If I waited for Verizon, I'd still be running 2.1… > > Tim > > On Mar 29, 2012, at 4:38 PM, Pete wrote: > > > Thanks Roger and Tim, I'm not sure where I got that idea from. Maybe the > > cell phone providers don;t want you to upgarde so you're mor elikley to > buy > > another phone? > > Pete > > > > On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Roger Eller < > roger.e.el...@sealedair.com>wrote: > > > >> Just about all Android phones, and tablets can be end-user-upgraded via > >> CyanogenMod. It's community driven, so you're not at the mercy of the > >> hardware manufacturer. > >> > >> http://www.androidcentral.com/tags/cyanogenmod > >> > >> ~Roger > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Pete wrote: > >> > >>> Thanks Mark. You justy answered another question I had. I was under > the > >>> impression that you were stuck with whatever version of Android was on > a > >>> device when you purchased it but sounds like you can updaste it? Maybe > >>> it's just phones that can't be updated? > >>> Pete > >>> > >>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Mark Wieder > >>> wrote: > >>>> The A500 has a very responsive screen and has all the other things I > >>>> was looking for in an Android tablet. I'm still running OS 3.3 on it > >>>> but I'll get around to upgrading to 4.0 some day. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> -Mark Wieder > >>>> mwie...@ahsoftware.net > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Pete > >>> Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> > >>> > >> ___ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Pete > > Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> > > ___ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] ACer A100 Tablet
Thanks Roger and Tim, I'm not sure where I got that idea from. Maybe the cell phone providers don;t want you to upgarde so you're mor elikley to buy another phone? Pete On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Roger Eller wrote: > Just about all Android phones, and tablets can be end-user-upgraded via > CyanogenMod. It's community driven, so you're not at the mercy of the > hardware manufacturer. > > http://www.androidcentral.com/tags/cyanogenmod > > ~Roger > > > On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Pete wrote: > > > Thanks Mark. You justy answered another question I had. I was under the > > impression that you were stuck with whatever version of Android was on a > > device when you purchased it but sounds like you can updaste it? Maybe > > it's just phones that can't be updated? > > Pete > > > > On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Mark Wieder > > wrote: > > > The A500 has a very responsive screen and has all the other things I > > > was looking for in an Android tablet. I'm still running OS 3.3 on it > > > but I'll get around to upgrading to 4.0 some day. > > > > > > -- > > > -Mark Wieder > > > mwie...@ahsoftware.net > > > > -- > > Pete > > Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Progress Bar
Thanks Scott and Richard. I think I've got my algorithm to determine when to update the progress bar nicely tuned now. I'm a little confused by the lock screen thing though. Isn't lock screen for when you don't want screen changes to be seen? Pete On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Pete wrote: > > > It takes about 2.5 times longer to process my test data with a > > progress bar than without one. > ... > > > I calculate the update interval by dividing the number of records to > > be processed by 100 with a minimum of 10 to deal with small data > > sets. I guess maybe I can play around with the divisor of 100 to > > see what yields the best blend of performance while still showing > > progress. > > Yes, the longer interval between updates will help a lot. > > This is true for all OSes, but even more so on the Mac with the rich > rendering required for the Aqua progress indicator. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com > LiveCode Journal blog: > http://LiveCodejournal.com/**blog.irv<http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv> > > > __**_ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode<http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] ACer A100 Tablet
Thanks Mark. You justy answered another question I had. I was under the impression that you were stuck with whatever version of Android was on a device when you purchased it but sounds like you can updaste it? Maybe it's just phones that can't be updated? Pete On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Pete- > > Thursday, March 29, 2012, 2:58:57 PM, you wrote: > > > Thanks Mark. Yes, the A100 is the 7" version, not sure if there other > > differences. > > The A500 has a very responsive screen and has all the other things I > was looking for in an Android tablet. I'm still running OS 3.3 on it > but I'll get around to upgrading to 4.0 some day. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwie...@ahsoftware.net > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Progress Bar
Thanks guys. I put a wait 0 in there and that made the progress bar update visible. Seems kinda weird that there's a difference between not waiting and waiting zero, but that's OK! This does lead to an interesting conundrum though. It takes about 2.5 times longer to process my test data with a progress bar than without one. Not talking huge amounts of time - about 1 second vs 2.5 seconds - but those times could get a lot longer in production, maybe by a factor of 10 or more, and this particular function of the application is going to be judged at least partly on performance. I calculate the update interval by dividing the number of records to be processed by 100 with a minimum of 10 to deal with small data sets. I guess maybe I can play around with the divisor of 100 to see what yields the best blend of performance while still showing progress. I might also try using an animated cursor to see how it compares performance wise. Isn't there some rule of quantum physics about changing the outocme of an experiment by observing it? Pete On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Roger Eller wrote: > On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Pete wrote: > > > I'm using a progress bar for the first time. Checked it all out stepping > > through things in debug and all worked fine. However, when I run it > > normally (meaning no debug), the blue progress bar never moves beyond > it's > > startpos. > > > > I'm pretty sure this is because I'm updating it in a tight loop and LC > > doesn't get a chance to update the screen but I'm uncertain how to solve > > that without adding to the overall execution time of the loop. > > > > Enlightenment much appreciated. > > > > -- > > Pete > > Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> > > > > Add a super-tiny wait to the end of the loop (25 to 100 millisecs, > depending on what you're doing). > > ~Roger > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Progress Bar
I'm using a progress bar for the first time. Checked it all out stepping through things in debug and all worked fine. However, when I run it normally (meaning no debug), the blue progress bar never moves beyond it's startpos. I'm pretty sure this is because I'm updating it in a tight loop and LC doesn't get a chance to update the screen but I'm uncertain how to solve that without adding to the overall execution time of the loop. Enlightenment much appreciated. -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] ACer A100 Tablet
Thanks Mark. Yes, the A100 is the 7" version, not sure if there other differences. Pete On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Pete- > > Wednesday, March 28, 2012, 10:40:47 PM, you wrote: > > > Anyone got one of the above and willing to share thoughts on it? > > I've got an A500 that I quite like. Mostly, anyway. Don't know if that > helps or not, but the A100 seems to be a 7-in version of the A500. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwie...@ahsoftware.net > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ANN: ScaleMatic
I see they confirmed it as a bug in January. Pete On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:35 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 3/29/12 12:27 PM, Tim Jones wrote: > >> Have you reported this to the RunRev support team? We can all >> commiserate with you here on the list, but only they can fix >> something's that's wrong… >> > > http://quality.runrev.com/**show_bug.cgi?id=9929<http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9929> > > Add your comments. My original report isn't quite accurate any more. > > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > __**_ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode<http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ANN: ScaleMatic
I think many of us have reported this to support, but to no avail. Pete On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Tim Jones wrote: > Have you reported this to the RunRev support team? We can all commiserate > with you here on the list, but only they can fix something's that's wrong… > > Tim > > On Mar 29, 2012, at 10:16 AM, Roger Guay wrote: > > > I've tried everything suggested in the last list digest to upload stacks > to RevOnLine to no avail! I've tried LiveCode versions from 4.6.3 to 5.5. > Iv'e tried restarting RunRev repeatedly, I've tried praying, swearing, and > various words of magic. I've tried standing up, sitting down, casually > looking away, staring with intimidation, psychokinesis, and psychic > healing. I've tried morning, noon and night, all to no avail. > > > > RevOnLine is effectively dead as far as I am concerned! > > > > Cheers, > > Roger > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
[OT] ACer A100 Tablet
Anyone got one of the above and willing to share thoughts on it? -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCode Player for 5.5
Hi Alejandro, I think the discussion of whether education brings everyone down to the lowest common denominator is a different topic! I guess my original point, perhaps not well enough explained, was that, according to the study in my local paper here in California, using iPads to replace text books costs about 4 times more than using the hard copy text books. Personally, I can't find any justification for California schools spending that extra money when there's hardly any evidence that using iPads improves the quality of eduction at all, never mind 4-fold. I don't know enough about it to judge whether the problem is hardware, software, good vs bad teachers, lack of teacher training , or any other cause. But I'm not a teacher and I tend to view these things more simplistically than perhaps I should. Pete On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > Hi all, > > I have read the messages in this thread and please, correct me > if I understand wrong: > > 1) Too many students and teachers are too "inexperienced" (not dumb) > to use the available computer educational tools in their institution. > > 2) Most of the digital educational applications aim to teach using only > the lower (or lowest) skills available to all participants. > > Surely, I am interpreting all this information in the wrong way because > my conclusion is that education (as described here) is effectively dumbing > down > all the participants (teachers and students alike). > > How many of you are aware that you could run Livecode (including all > externals and Quicktime) from a Portable device as a USB pendrive > or Secure Digital Card or even from media as a Rewritable CD or DVD? > > No plugin or installation. Just click and run: > > > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Running-LiveCode-and-Quicktime-as-virtual-applications-td4411011.html#a4430008 > > In this computer lab: > > http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2733273854751.2150939.1344437396&type=3 > the IT manager used Metacard Free Starter Kit to create exams > that students run from a CD. He opened the exam (a stack), take out > the CD and repeat the procedure in each machine. In this way, the exams > only runs in RAM and the students could not copy or save to the > computer. It works fine for him for many years... > > Al > > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Two-More-Resolutions-On-The-Way-tp4495780p4513669.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: CSV Files
Thanks Richard. I'm happy to say my handler parsed the extended test csv lines with flying colors. I'll try it along Alex's with some large datasets to see if there's any significant performance difference. By conicidence, I want the output form my handler to an array and I see Alex's does createw an array at one point so there may well be some benfits to switching over to his routine. Pete On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Pete wrote: > > OK, so I know CSV files are not everyone's favorite subject but sometimes >> you have no control over how data reaches you! >> >> I have a handler in place that deals with the vagaries of CSV files, like >> returns, commas, and quotes in the data (did I miss any?) but it relies on >> a repeat loop looking at every character in the csv file. It seems to >> work >> just fine but I'm wondering if the collective knowledge of this list gas >> already come up with a more efficient solution. >> > > The article here outlines some of the many oddities about CSV, and > includes a handler from Alex Tweedly which thus far has been the most > efficient solution I've found: > > > CSV Must Die > A Plea to Introduce Sanity to the Software Development World > by Pledging to Never Write CSV Exporters > <http://www.fourthworld.com/**embassy/articles/csv-must-die.**html<http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/csv-must-die.html> > > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com > LiveCode Journal blog: > http://LiveCodejournal.com/**blog.irv<http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv> > > > __**_ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode<http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: CSV Files
The csv files are created by an export from a database, not from a spreadsheet so I don't think I need to worry about the Excel/Google issue (thankfully). Non-numeric strings will be in quotes, and the data between the quotes can contain commas and returns, escaped quotes, just about any visible ASCII character in fact. Pete On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Keith Clarke < keith.cla...@clarkeandclarke.co.uk> wrote: > ...that seems to be the same for Google sheets, too - though I've not dug > into whether there is an obvious end-of-line character. > Best, > Keith.. > > On 28 Mar 2012, at 18:03, Bob Sneidar wrote: > > > I have noticed that csv exports from Excel will stop short of including > all the columns in any given row if there is no more data, so you will get > rows with varying numbers of columns if you have any empty "cells" at the > end of a row. That has tripped me up a few times with other software that > expects data to be there, even if it's an empty value. > > > > Bob > > > > > > On Mar 28, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Pete wrote: > > > >> OK, so I know CSV files are not everyone's favorite subject but > sometimes > >> you have no control over how data reaches you! > >> > >> I have a handler in place that deals with the vagaries of CSV files, > like > >> returns, commas, and quotes in the data (did I miss any?) but it relies > on > >> a repeat loop looking at every character in the csv file. It seems to > work > >> just fine but I'm wondering if the collective knowledge of this list gas > >> already come up with a more efficient solution. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> -- > >> Pete > >> Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> > >> ___ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > ___ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
CSV Files
OK, so I know CSV files are not everyone's favorite subject but sometimes you have no control over how data reaches you! I have a handler in place that deals with the vagaries of CSV files, like returns, commas, and quotes in the data (did I miss any?) but it relies on a repeat loop looking at every character in the csv file. It seems to work just fine but I'm wondering if the collective knowledge of this list gas already come up with a more efficient solution. Thanks, -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCode Player for 5.5
I'm not a teacher, nor involved in education in any way so take what I have to say with a pinch of salt. A recent analysis over here in California found that it was around 4 times as expensive for a classroom to use iPads and electronic versions of text books as it was to continue using hard copy text books. The costs were measured over a 6 year period to take account of new editions of the text books and the life span of an iPad and I believe the analysis was done for high school level classes. I'd be prepared to accept the extra cost if it was accompanied by a greater than 4-fold improvement in educational quality but there seems to be precious little evidence that the use of iPads produces any increase in educational quality. This is all related to general education classes, not computer science classes. Of course, you can find studies to prove/disprove just about anything you want these days. For those interested, you might want to read the book "Wrong" by David H. Freedman. A fascinating account of why an alarmingly high number of studies carried out by experts come to completely wrong conclusions. Pete On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Bob Earp wrote: > I say that we will see a change in current attitudes as I am encouraged by > Apple's new education support with iBooks2, iBooks Author, and iTunesU. > Just the fact of offering text books at a fraction of their hard copy > price will quickly sway teachers into encouraging downloads, not to mention > keeping the books current and all of the other goodies. And academia using > the tools in iTunesU will put pressure on IT people to deliver an > infrastructure that support such. -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts
All I can say, Bob, is if the great thinkers, scientists, and philospohers of the years had that attitude, we'd still be living in caves. Pete On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > This discussion can happen at all because of the human mind's inability to > focus on and balance very many things at one time and measure a thesis > against all other things that could weigh upon it. We simply do not possess > the wisdom and mental faculty to treat such a subject. > > No, my friends, I think all conversation along these lines is so > incredibly presumptuous, it is staggering when you really begin to think of > everything we take as a given or gloss over when discussing such things. > Sorry all you Star Trek fans, and anyone else I have likely offended. I > love science fiction as much as the next person, but I think any race of > beings wise enough to comprehend the real logistics of space travel or > communication across such great distances would conclude right away that it > was a total waste of their limited resources, better spent on improving > their own state of affairs. > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts
Yes, thanks Roger - I missed that in the thread before sending my email. On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Roger Guay wrote: > The original link is to a version 5.5. Can you use the legacy saved > version available at?: > > > https://idisk.mac.com/irog//Public/SETIproblemL.livecode > > Roger > > > On Mar 26, 2012, at 2:03 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote: > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:01:28 -0700 > > From: Pete > > To: How to use LiveCode > > Subject: Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts > > Message-ID: > > < > cabx6j9k4+d061urjrjjgmph_qxo2fykabfaqqxb1rwgrsr+...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Roger, > > I'd love to take a look at your stack but when I download it and open it > in > > Livecode, I get an error that it is not a stack. This is with Livecode > > 5.0.2. > > Pete > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: About item in Application Menu
Hi Joe, I haven't made custom menus like this but LC's convention for regular menus is to treat the last line in your Help menu as the About item on the Mac Application menu. In other words, it will leave that item where it is on the Help menu for Widnows systems, but move it to the Apllication menu for OS X systems. Pete On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > On my current application I'm building custom menus that appear on the > cards so that I can make them larger and they'll appear the same on both > the Mac and Windows versions; however, I haven't figured out how to set up > the About item on the Application Menu. Any suggestions? > > TIA, > Joe Wilkins > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts
Roger, I'd love to take a look at your stack but when I download it and open it in Livecode, I get an error that it is not a stack. This is with Livecode 5.0.2. Pete On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Roger Guay wrote: > Tom, > > Please forgive me (especially Tim) for apparently sounding argumentative. > Not my intent at all. I was merely trying to say that given the vastness of > our universe and the number of stars contained in it, many argue that it is > logical to assume a multitude of intelligent species populating our entire > galaxy. And given the vast time scale involved, it is also logical to > assume these alien civilizations will not have evolved simultaneously > (criterion #1) > > The second criterion is that the radio active stages of technology of > these civilizations will be short relative to these same vast time scales. > I'm sure that I am not the first to define this criterion, but I have not > seen it discussed before. The validity of this is discussed very briefly in > the simulation notes. Further to this point, I would argue that ALL > technologies have limited durations, and the simulation allows you to > adjust it over a very long range (albeit short relative to the vast time > scales of our galaxy) to your heart's content. I would be happy to discuss > this at length, but it might be best to do so off-list?? > > My simulation starts with these assumptions and explores the outcome. > These criteria are simply derived from the statistics of the numbers > involved. There are many more qualified than I to explain the statistics > involved, and a few references are included in the notes of the simulation. > For those interested I would would start with the SETI project itself at. > > > http://www.seti.org/ > > And, the Drake equation says it all . . . statically: > > > http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious/Topics/seti/drake_equation.html > > Thanks and cheers, > Roger Guay > > > On Mar 25, 2012, at 7:56 AM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote: > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 20:54:05 -0400 > > From: Thomas McGrath III > > To: How to use LiveCode > > Subject: Re: use-livecode Digest, Vol 102, Issue 49 > > Message-ID: <02634a04-296a-4fbe-a626-3e7587ff9...@mac.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > > > I didn't take either comment as overly argumentative but more like a > challenge (which we tend to do on this list from time to time). For me, > coming up with two criteria is intriguing and caught my interest. I would > love to see more on the validity of those two criteria, but what really > interested me was how Roger translated those to an interesting LC project. > Very cool. I would love to hear more about that. > > > > -- Tom McGrath III > > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > > 3mcgr...@comcast.net > > > > On Mar 24, 2012, at 8:31 PM, Roger Guay wrote: > > > >> Tim, > >> > >> I don't pretend to know anything! As for my thesis, I am merely making > assumptions based on statistics and the vast size of our galaxy and the > number of stars it contains. No one has decided anything about the nature > of our species except the religious. BTW, did you look at the simulation? > >> > >> I think it might be best to take any further discussions of this nature > off-list. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Roger > >> > >> > >> On Mar 24, 2012, at 6:03 PM, use-livecode-request@lists.runrev.comwrote: > >> > >>> Message: 9 > >>> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 12:44:21 -0700 > >>> From: Tim Jones > >>> To: How to use LiveCode > >>> Subject: Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts > >>> Message-ID: > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII > >>> > >>> Ready to defend your thesis? Let me toss out two great Sci-Fi > antithesis to your points below - > >>> > >>> How have we determined how long the "relatively short duration" of the > radio stage of any societies is? > >>> > >>> How have we decided, even taking asynchronous development into > account, that humans aren't the most mature and advanced species in the > nearby galaxy? > >>> > >>> :-) > >>> > >>> Tim > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mar 24, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Roger Guay wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi all, > >>>> > >>>> The SETI project has been in existence for about 50 years, and Enrico > Fermi's question asked in the 194
Re: Displaying PDF files in an LC stack
Thanks Francis - and all the others who have suggested ways to deal with this. I think I will have to go with launching the pdf documents as a separate process. Seems like that is the only way to get a cross platform solution that will deal with the display of bookmarks without having to spend time writing Livecode scripts. Maybe someone will write an LC plugin to deal with pdf files one day. Judging by the response to my initilial question, seems like there would be enough interest to make it worthwhile. Pete PS I'm still looking at ScreenSteps. They confirm that bookmarks are included in pdf files created from ScreenSteps so I could get the best of both worlds. On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote: > Hi from Beautiful Brittany, > > For Pete, Michael, Colin . et alia ! > > I think we have been down this road before ! > > This is not a completely internal display of > pdf files within a LiveCode stack, but it's the > closest I could get, and it solves all my needs. > > I have a library of pdf files. I have a LiveCode > stack containing a card for each of the files > I may want to display. On each card, I have > > 1 - The pdf file name within my library, > 2 - A display scale value for the pdf file, > 3 - a field containing a list of page numbers > that may interest me, within the pdf file. > > I select the scale, select a page number and > "open" the pdf file, at a specific page, in an > external window, by building an applescript file > to call the Skim app with the required parameters. > > Warning : Skim is for Macs only ... Life is so hard ! > > NOTE : I have not exploited the potential of all > possible parameters which can be passed to Skim. > > I also found out that if my pdf file originated as a text > file (first-hand), then I could eventually dig out the text, > (which means that pdf display COULD be pure LiveCode) > but if the pdf file was built (for example) by conversion > from a jpg file, then I could NEVER recover the text. > (that seems pretty reasonable, does it not ?) > > Catch me off-forum, and I can send you an > example stack. > > Best Regards > > -Francis > > "Nothing should ever be done for the first time !" > > > __**_ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode<http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability
Thanks Richmond and Warren for the info. I like the idea of using a Linux distro that is somewhat like an OS X interface. Pete On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Warren Samples wrote: > On 03/24/2012 06:53 PM, Pete wrote: > >> So now I'm left with the question of which Linux >> distro to go for >> Pete >> > > > More ideas that might interest you :) > > Since you are mainly working in OS X and I assume you are happy and > comfortable working in that interface, you may be interested in a linux > distro that is set up out of the box to look and act much like OS X. You > can do this in any distro but this would be a simpler route, and for > someone who might not want to spend a lot of time and effort fiddling with > a system he's not planning to use every day, a very sensible choice. > > http://www.unixmen.com/pear-**linux-comice-os-4-0-has-been-** > released-screenshots-tour-**video/<http://www.unixmen.com/pear-linux-comice-os-4-0-has-been-released-screenshots-tour-video/> > > http://www.pear-os-linux.fr/ > > "Do-it-yourself" ideas: > > http://beta.techradar.com/**news/software/operating-** > systems/how-to-make-linux-**mint-look-like-os-x-1040983<http://beta.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/how-to-make-linux-mint-look-like-os-x-1040983> > > http://lifehacker.com/5665765/**macbuntu-makes-your-linux-** > desktop-look-like-mac-os-x<http://lifehacker.com/5665765/macbuntu-makes-your-linux-desktop-look-like-mac-os-x> > > http://www.internetling.com/**2008/03/24/linux-docks-5-mac-** > os-x-docks-for-ubuntu-and-**other-linux-distros/<http://www.internetling.com/2008/03/24/linux-docks-5-mac-os-x-docks-for-ubuntu-and-other-linux-distros/> > > http://www.howtogeek.com/**45817/how-to-make-ubuntu-** > linux-look-like-mac-os-x/<http://www.howtogeek.com/45817/how-to-make-ubuntu-linux-look-like-mac-os-x/> > > http://www.dedoimedo.com/**computers/linux-docks.html<http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/linux-docks.html> > > http://linuxlibrary.org/**applications/linux-desktop-**docks-panels/<http://linuxlibrary.org/applications/linux-desktop-docks-panels/> > > youtube also has lots of videos of people demonstrating their "Mac-like" > Linux desktops. You might enjoy a peek at a few of those. > > Good luck! > > > Warren > > __**_ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode<http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Displaying PDF files in an LC stack
Thanks for the reminder Colin, forgot about that. I'll give that a try. Pete On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > I don't remember that part. My suggestion was to read the PDF in a player > object, by setting its filename property. > > > On Mar 24, 2012, at 8:11 PM, Pete wrote: > > > In another thread, I've been soliciting advice about tools to use for > Help > > Text preparation and display. One of the options was to go with a pdf > file > > and display it using revBrowser. > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Displaying PDF files in an LC stack
In another thread, I've been soliciting advice about tools to use for Help Text preparation and display. One of the options was to go with a pdf file and display it using revBrowser. Been having some issues getting that to work but even if it did work, I don't think it will satisfy my needs. I want to use the pdf feature of showing bookmarks in a navigation pane (like the datagrid manual) and apparently that won't happen, at least on a Mac. I could, of course, simply launch the pdf file as a separate process but I'd really like to keep the help file within my LC stack if possible. Are there any other ways of displaying a pdf file within LC other than using revBrowser? I though I remembered seeing some sort of plugin but a quick search didn't come up with anything. I am still looking into ScreenSteps and WordLib. -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability
Thanks for all the info Richard. I'm already feeling SO superior to all those morons who don't run Ubuntu! I will probably try out VirtualBox since it's free and probably also a dual boot on my Windows 7 box since the only thing I ever do on Windows is test out LC apps developed on my Mac, although it is a pretty new computer so I may run into the driver issues you mentioned. Pete On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Pete wrote: > > > Hi Richard, > > This thread has been very interesting to me as I'm considering > > getting a computer to run Linux. > ... > > > But where do I buy a computer that runs Linux and what version of > > Linux (if that's the right term) I need? > > Every distro has its fans, some quite passionate. There's a running gag > in the Ubuntu forums that whenever someone encounters an issue that's hard > to solve, the answer is "use Arch". :) > > Personally I like Ubuntu, and as a developer it's important to me that I'm > working with the most popular distro (an estimated one-third of Linus > desktops are running Ubuntu). With its mandate of "Linux for Human > Beings", it's provided a good experience for me. > > Mark Weider uses Fedora, and I've enjoyed that one as well. Linux Mint > is another good choice. > > Whichever you choose, be sure to post all over the Internet that users of > other distros or OSes are stupid fanbois who just don't get what Linux is > all about! That'll help keep the myth of the Linux community alive for > those who have no familiarity with it. :) > > > If you were in the market for a computer with Ubuntu pre-installed, these > companies are good options: > > <http://www.system76.com/> > <http://zareason.com> > <http://linucity.com> > > While all three are very reputable vendors, the last there, LinuCity, is > owned by my friend Aviv and I can personally vouch for the quality of > service he provides. > > For more options, Canonical maintains a list of computers from major > vendors they've worked with that have undergone their certification process: > <http://www.ubuntu.com/**certification<http://www.ubuntu.com/certification> > > > > Note that that's only a subset of computers Ubuntu is compatible with. > There are only so many hours in the day, and even a billionaire like Mark > Shuttleworth can't afford to certify everything it runs on. > > > One upside to Linux being mostly installed on computers designed for some > other OS is that it expects that challenge and usually meets it pretty > well. In my own experience, every machine I've installed it on has worked > great out of the box. The only time I needed a special driver was for the > NVideo card on my Dell Vostro, and Ubuntu identified that and prompted me > to install it with one click on first boot. > > > > > I already have a Windows laptop that I only use for testing out the > > LC apps I develop on my Mac. I don't really want another computer. > > It seems like Apple has just about shut the door on running anything > > but OS X on their computers. Can I install Linux on my Windows > > computer a dual boot it somehow? > > And even on your Mac. Apple's OS X EULA only prevents you from legally > installing it on anything other than "an Apple branded computer", but their > computers are frequently used by members of the Ubuntu forum for running > Linux. Boot camp is a natural fit for that sort of thing. > > Because Apple tends to get specialized components, it can sometimes be > trickier to get a solid install on a Mac than on popular PCs where the > components are in such wide use that there are plenty of good drivers for > them. > > Dual-booting with Windows is a popular option, esp. among gamers because > Windows still rules the roost with the games market. I've set up dual-boot > systems before and it's not hard (the Ubuntu installer includes options for > that), but personally I found I was booting into Windows so rarely that I > ditched that partition and put Windows into a VM within Ubuntu. > > In general, the sweet spot for Linux is computers between two and six > years old. It can often run on newer systems, and even most older ones > (Puppy Linux can run on darn near anything), but if a computer's too old it > won't have the horsepower to deliver a great experience with the latest > Linux distros, and if it's too new there's a chance of needing a driver > that hasn't been made available yet. Even then there's almost always a way > to get things to work, but for a simple first-
Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability
Thanks Warren. As you and Jacque both pointed out the VM approach solves the hardware problem. So now I'm left with the question of which Linux distro to go for Pete On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Warren Samples wrote: > On 03/24/2012 05:48 PM, Pete wrote: > >> I already have a Windows laptop that I only use for testing out the LC >> apps >> I develop on my Mac. I don't really want another computer. It seems like >> Apple has just about shut the door on running anything but OS X on their >> computers. Can I install Linux on my Windows computer a dual boot it >> somehow? >> > > > If you have enough memory, it may be more useful, and simpler, to run a > Linux distro inside VirtualBox or VMWare. To make that even easier, you can > find, using your favorite search engine, downloadable, ready to go virtual > machine disk images of almost any Linux distro, in current and older > versions. For casual use, this would be my recommendation. > > Good luck, > > Warren > > > __**_ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode<http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability
Thanks for the reminder Jacque. I had some not-so-grat experiences a few years back running emulators on a Mac so that's coloring my opinion, but they've probably improved a lot since then. Pete On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 4:21 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 3/24/12 5:48 PM, Pete wrote: > > I already have a Windows laptop that I only use for testing out the LC >> apps >> I develop on my Mac. I don't really want another computer. It seems like >> Apple has just about shut the door on running anything but OS X on their >> computers. Can I install Linux on my Windows computer a dual boot it >> somehow? >> > > I've had very good luck with Parallels. And lots of people are using > several other emulators too with good results, and many are free. I run Win > XP, Vista, Ubuntu (sort of, I'm way behind on that,) and Mac OS X all from > my iMac. > > I don't see any reason these days to have several computers just to use > different operating systems. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > __**_ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode<http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability
Hi Richard, This thread has been very interesting to me as I'm considering getting a computer to run Linux. The problem I'm having is illustrated by the snippet from your post below. I'm a computer savvy person and worked with them most of my working life but I know nothing about Linux and really have no desire to spend much time installing and configuring an OS. I can buy a Mac or a PC, switch it on and it just boots up and runs. But where do I buy a computer that runs Linux and what version of Linux (if that's the right term) I need? I have pretty basic needs for this machine. Aside from running Livecode on it, I mostly need a web browser (I use Google tools for just about all my daily needs) plus some way of playing music. I already have a Windows laptop that I only use for testing out the LC apps I develop on my Mac. I don't really want another computer. It seems like Apple has just about shut the door on running anything but OS X on their computers. Can I install Linux on my Windows computer a dual boot it somehow? I'm sure these are pretty basic questions for people who are familiar with the Linux world, but I think they illustrate why the use of Linux is not more widespread, no matter what advantages it has over other OS's. Pete On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > People buy whole-product solutions. -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Text formatting for a slider
Hi Bjornke, Does the below mean your Docu plugin won't work with 5.5? I'd be sorry if that was the case - it's sooo much better than the built in dictionary interface! Pete 2012/3/24 Björnke von Gierke > Furthermore, there's no way to find out the possible settings out that > way, again this can only be found in the dictionary, but this time around, > it's not machine readable. -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Tools for creating a help file
Hi Klaus, Tried that and still no luck. When I look at the url it starts with "file:///" (3 slashes). Is that OK? I'm not sure what's going on here. I'm using the revBrowser sample stack provided by runrev and it won;t access any web sites, never mind pdf files. For instance, I tried www.google.com in the URL box. The status message at the bottom says "accessing http://www.google.com";, the lights at the top right flash away and it just stays like that, no web site displayed. My internet connection is working fine and I can access web site just fine with my Chrome browser. Pete On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 4:43 AM, Klaus on-rev wrote: > replace " " with "%20" in tFile > put "file://" before tFile > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Tools for creating a help file
Hi Klaus, Haven't used revBrowser before but I got the example from runrev's web site at http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/4071/l/15963-how-do-i-display-a-pdf-in-rev However, nothing displays in the browser image no matter what pdf file I select. Also tried it with a straightforward http:// url and nothing displayed. Any tips on how to get this to work? Pete On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Klaus on-rev wrote: > Hi Pete, > > Am 23.03.2012 um 19:17 schrieb Pete: > > > I'm trying to decide how to supply the help text for an application and > > wondering what tools people are using to creat help files. > > > > I'm finding that it is much easier to use a word processor to write the > > help text and graphics than trying to do it within the confines of LC > text > > fields. I can't leave the help text as a separate file because that > would > > require the user to have the same wp program I used to create it. I can > > create a pdf version of it to get round that but I'm wondering if there > is > > some way of importing the help text into LC, retaining all the formatting > > and graphics. Is it possible to open a pdf file and display within an LC > > application without starting a separate pdf viewer program? > > you could use a Browser Object to display the PDFs! > Works on the Mac and will surely do on Windows if Acrobat Reader is > installed. > > > Thanks for any guidance, > > -- > > Pete > > Best > > Klaus > > -- > Klaus Major > http://www.major-k.de > kl...@major.on-rev.com > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Tools for creating a help file
Folks, Still playing around with different formats for this. One possible format is the one used by the Datagrid reference manual. It's a pdf file including a navigation pane on the left with expandable/collapsible entries; clicking on an entry goes directly to the associated page. Pretty sure this is a built in feature of pdf files, but wondering if there is a way to create that type of format from a standard word processing program as opposed to purchasing Acrobat. Thanks, Pete On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Pete wrote: > Thanks Colin and Phil for the ScreenSteps recommendation. I'll definitely > take a look. > Pete > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > >> You should look at ScreenSteps: >> >> http://www.bluemangolearning.com/screensteps/ >> >> In addition to being a very good way to prepare documentation, the tool >> was created with LiveCode. >> >> It can export to Word, PDF, and HTML. With PDF you can use a LiveCode >> player object and set the filename of the player to the path to the PDF, >> and then set the currenttime of the player to go forward and backward >> through the pages. >> >> >> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> > > > -- > Pete > Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> > > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Tools for creating a help file
Thanks Colin and Phil for the ScreenSteps recommendation. I'll definitely take a look. Pete On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > You should look at ScreenSteps: > > http://www.bluemangolearning.com/screensteps/ > > In addition to being a very good way to prepare documentation, the tool > was created with LiveCode. > > It can export to Word, PDF, and HTML. With PDF you can use a LiveCode > player object and set the filename of the player to the path to the PDF, > and then set the currenttime of the player to go forward and backward > through the pages. > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Tools for creating a help file
Thanks Richard, that sounds like a possibility. I'm using iPages to create the help text but I think it is capable of saving a file in Word format although not sure how good a job it does. I guess I'll give it a whirl with WordLib (hopefully there's a trial available) and see what happens. I'm not against typing into LC fields, just finding that there's less work involved in using a word processor that is built to deal with formatting, spell checking and inserting graphics that doing all that in native LC. Pete On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Pete wrote: > >> I'm trying to decide how to supply the help text for an application and >> wondering what tools people are using to creat help files. >> >> I'm finding that it is much easier to use a word processor to write the >> help text and graphics than trying to do it within the confines of LC text >> fields. I can't leave the help text as a separate file because that would >> require the user to have the same wp program I used to create it. I can >> create a pdf version of it to get round that but I'm wondering if there is >> some way of importing the help text into LC, retaining all the formatting >> and graphics. Is it possible to open a pdf file and display within an LC >> application without starting a separate pdf viewer program? >> > > I enjoy typing in LiveCode fields myself, but I'm funny that way. :) > > If you like using Word you'll love Curry Kenworthy's WordLib for importing > content from Word and OpenOffice/Libre Office into LiveCode: > <http://www.runrev.com/store/**product/word-lib-1-3-0/<http://www.runrev.com/store/product/word-lib-1-3-0/> > > > > He's done an amazingly thorough job of recreating every element in doc, > docx, and odt files that can be represented in LiveCode fields. And he's > hard at work on a new version that takes full advantage of LC 5.5's new > field object capabilities. > > For professional devs he also offers an option to acquire limited rights > to the source for an additional fee. This is a must-have for myself and > my clients, and pretty much every other pro dev who need to consider code > base longevity, and his source fee was more than reasonable. > > Curry's support has been exemplary, and his willingness to work with > suggestions for new features and enhancements is an inspiration for all of > us tools vendors. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com > LiveCode Journal blog: > http://LiveCodejournal.com/**blog.irv<http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv> > > > __**_ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode<http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Tools for creating a help file
I'm trying to decide how to supply the help text for an application and wondering what tools people are using to creat help files. I'm finding that it is much easier to use a word processor to write the help text and graphics than trying to do it within the confines of LC text fields. I can't leave the help text as a separate file because that would require the user to have the same wp program I used to create it. I can create a pdf version of it to get round that but I'm wondering if there is some way of importing the help text into LC, retaining all the formatting and graphics. Is it possible to open a pdf file and display within an LC application without starting a separate pdf viewer program? Thanks for any guidance, -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Need an example of how to use "try" and "catch"
Bob, Maybe I'm missing something but you seem to be saying there are some database errors that can only be detected by using try/catch, not by checking the result or the "revdberr" string. Taking your example of a database going away, I just created a small db, opened it in LC, then deleted the db file. Any further accesses to the db in LC came back with an error without using try/catch, so I'm not understanding why a try/catch is necessary. Not saying try/catch might not be necessary, just trying to understand if I need to start using that approach. My test was done using sqlite so maybe other SQL variants is where try/catch is needed or perhaps it's due to your use of SQLYoga. Pete On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > When you are in a standalone, a runtime error that would halt execution > might be fatal. Try/Catch allows you to handle the error gracefully without > presenting the user with an ugly dialog and a QTD afterwards. You can > politely inform the user that something has gone wrong and you have to exit > the application, after tidying things up a bit if necessary. > > Databases can just go away sometimes, like the IT guy deciding it's time > to update the servers and restart them while the user is working late on an > important project. Setting a repeat loop around a try/catch construct > allows you to attempt a reconnect a certain number of times, or present the > user with a Retry/Cancel dialog, allowing you to clean up and exit > gracefully if necessary. > > As a case in point, I was having a problem with a low level broadcast > storm which was causing the uplinks on our switches to reset (they are > designed to do that). Anyone who uses Microsoft SQL knows this can be > fatal, depending on how the software is written. Our accounting software > was not very well written, and as a result, the end user was subject to a > never ending stream of error dialogs allowing a cancel, retry or abort! > None of them exited gracefully. ICK!! Had the developer accounted for the > possibility that the user could be disconnected from the database, and > provided a graceful exit, my reputation would not now be so tarnished, > because they all blamed me of course. :-) To the accounting girl's credit > however, they did make me brownies when I found the source of the broadcast > storm and fixed it. > > Bob > > > On Mar 22, 2012, at 3:31 PM, Pete wrote: > > > Sorry to keep this thread going but I'm trying to figure out if I should > be > > using try/catch more, particularly for database calls. > > > > As far as I know, you can tell if any of the standard rev db calls fail > by > > checking their returned value or the result. Are there circumstances > where > > that's not the case or does SQLYoga silent about errors? > > > > I have experienced silent datagrid problems that were only revealed by > > enclosing the datagrid access statements in try/catch. > > > > Pete > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Translation s'il vous plait/por favor :-)
Looking back at the original request, it was to translate the phrase "Copy file XXX to your Applications folder", no mention of "into". Pete On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 6:24 AM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote: > Hi from Beautiful Brittany, > > Klaus, I would hate to be pedantic, but I can't miss > adding my 2 cents. > > Dictionnaries exist to clearly define the meaning > of a word or phrase in another language. But the > translations, based upon the etymology of the terms > in these languages are often betrayed by the personal > interpretations of the users. If we can try and forget the > environment of our computer translation (files, folders, > disk drives, et tutti quanti), we can try to home in on > best best translation available for a specific language. > > The French language (to my knowledge) lacks the > precise equivalent of the English "into" (which > means "from the outside of ... to the inside of ..."). > So may we fall into the trap of personal interpretation ! > > The French "a" denotes location only, but gives little > information concerning the direction, and even less > about the subtleties of "inside" or "outside". > I find it to be the worst possible translation. > > The French "dans" means "in" or at best "inside", > and has no implication of the 'into" I show above. > However, I find it a better solution than "a". > > The French "sur" implies "lying on top of" and > certainly does not imply "inside". Much depends on > the personal interpretation. As a long-standing > "nit-picker" I would never use this. > > The French "vers" means "in the direction of", which > I find to be acceptable in the translation you request, > because it simply skips over the notion "inside", (but > nevertheless implies it (The idea of copying a file to > the "outside" of a folder would be nonsense !). > But then again, this can be personal interpretation. > > These comments in no way undermine the scope of the > French language, which can be so powerful in many areas. > > .. et a la fin de l'envoi, je touche .! (French Fencing term) > > -Francis > > __**_ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode<http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: revCopyFile
Hi Jacque, Yes, I saw that in the dictionary. I don't think there's any metadata in the files I will be copying (straight .txt files) but I'll have to check that before going down this path. I found the files function in the dictionary and it includes the file size in one of it's formats but it lists all the files in the default folder, not an individual file. I guess it won;t take too long to get that and use filter to narrow it down to the source file for the copy. Pete On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 6:55 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 3/22/12 7:25 PM, Pete wrote: > >> Hi Maarten, >> That's a nice solution. Fast and doing it in chunks allows me to show a >> progress bar. I think I'll settle on that method. Is there a way to get >> the size of a file in LC? With that, I could decide if it's even worth >> displaying a progress bar. >> > > The reason RR chose AppleScript is because it retains the metadata in a > file, which a straight binary copy doesn't do. Apple is veering away from > metadata though, so it may not be as important as it used to be. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > __**_ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode<http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: revCopyFile
Hi Maarten, That's a nice solution. Fast and doing it in chunks allows me to show a progress bar. I think I'll settle on that method. Is there a way to get the size of a file in LC? With that, I could decide if it's even worth displaying a progress bar. Pete On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Maarten Koopmans < maarten.koopm...@gmail.com> wrote: > I scripted this using the read as binary etc. using 16KB buffers some time > ago in pure LC. Much faster, and cross-platform. Idon'thave the code here > at hand, but it is really straightforward: > > Open the source file for read binary > Open the destination file for write binary > Read 16KB or whatever is left if it's less from the source into a buffer > Append the buffer to the destination > Loop until done > Close the files > > Faster then revCopyFile (in fact, why doesn't itdo it this way) and no > hassle with shells or external processes where you need to check if they > actually did what you asked. > > HTH, Maarten > > On Thursday, March 22, 2012, Pete wrote: > > Hi Geoff, > > Thanks for the speed test info. I'm not very familiar with shell > commands > > so maybe you could let me know the command to use? What I need to do is > > copy a file to a different folder with a different file name. > > > > The lack of a progress bar might be a problem, but if the speed > differences > > are as much as you found, there may not be a need for a progress bar at > all. > > > > Also, I assume the shell commands would be different on Windows and Mac. > > That's an inconvenience because it means extra coding, but not a show > > stopper. > > > > Thanks, > > Pete > > > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Geoff Canyon > wrote: > > > >> The advantages derive from the fact that LiveCode isn't doing the actual > >> copying with revCopyFile -- the Finder is. For completeness, the same > >> advantage applies to using a shell command. You don't get a progress > dialog > >> though. > >> > >> Okay, I just did a quick one-off test with interface sounds off. For > thirty > >> files that were each about 70kb, using a shell command was about 3x > faster > >> than using revCopyFile. That's without taking advantage of the ability > to > >> move and rename in one step with a shell command. If that's what you're > >> doing, the advantage would be even greater. > >> > >> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Pete wrote: > >> > >> > Thanks all for the input. Sounds like Stephen's approach is the only > way > >> > to get rid of it. Seems like that setting will apply to other sounds > as > >> > well, but I'm OK with that. > >> > > >> > As far as using AppleScript, I'm using revCopyFile because the > dictionary > >> > claims there are "certain advantages" to using it over "put URL" or > any > >> > other method, amongst which is that it does not require reading the > file > >> > into memory, and since some of these files could be pretty large, > that's > >> > significant. On a Mac, it also displays a progress bar which I don;t > >> think > >> > would be possible if I used "put URL". > >> > > >> > Pete > >> > > >> > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Geoff Canyon > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > > I went straight to the shell command, so I don't know for sure, but > >> this > >> > > sounds reasonable. There's also the overhead of spinning up > AppleScript > >> > in > >> > > the first place. If Apple is doing that badly, that might also cause > >> > > problems I suppose. > >> > > > >> > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 1:24 PM, stephen barncard < > >> > > stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > That was probably a big reason why multiple file transfers would > take > >> > > more > >> > > > time - loading and unloading the sound - and perhaps the reason > why > >> it > >> > > > failed after memory was exceeded. > >> > > > > >> > > ___ > >> > > use-livecode mailing list > >> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > >> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, u
Re: Need an example of how to use "try" and "catch"
Sorry to keep this thread going but I'm trying to figure out if I should be using try/catch more, particularly for database calls. As far as I know, you can tell if any of the standard rev db calls fail by checking their returned value or the result. Are there circumstances where that's not the case or does SQLYoga silent about errors? I have experienced silent datagrid problems that were only revealed by enclosing the datagrid access statements in try/catch. Pete On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > I have been using the try/catch idiom for years. I like the structure > it gives my code - visually it makes it very clear where I am > expecting problematic sections to be. I rarely use 'finally'. > However the problem has always been with interpreting the error codes > that arise. For years I got round that by incorporating Mark > Schonewille's errorLib in my stacks. > > Like you, I find that sqlYoga really needs try/catch. I did see > somewhere else that Trevor recommended having some specific error > handler implemented, but for me just wrapping the calls that go to the > database in try/catch solves the problem. > > Bernard > > On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > > No advantage per se, but I use sqlYoga and the only way to determine > what went wrong is in a try catch statement as the libSQLYoga stack is > locked. > > > > Bob > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Need an example of how to use "try" and "catch"
Interesting, never thought of that. Is there an advantage to doing that over just issuing the database call and checking for an error right after? I've mostly thought of try/catch for as a debugging tool. I also use it any place where I put together a command in a variable and execute the command with a do statement. Pete On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > I use it to determine if there has been an error executing a sequel query > for example. All my database calls go inside a try catch statement. If you > put it into a repeat loop, you can test to see if perhaps you have been > disconnected, or if a runtime error occurred due to a bad query, and then > act accordingly, either try to reconnect if disconnected, or bail out > gracefully if a runtime error has occurred. > > Bob > > > On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Michael Doub wrote: > > > Does anyone have any guidelines as to when you should use the try and > catch structure? I don't really know when or when not to use it. > > > > -= Mike > > > > > > > > On Mar 22, 2012, at 1:21 PM, Jim Hurley wrote: > > > >> Thanks Peter. > >> > >> The problem now is what do these bloody error numbers translate into. > >> Is the a list somewhere? > >> > >> When I try: > >> > >> on mouseUP > >> try > >> put the cantdelete of me into temp > >> catch tErr > >> --- if tErr is ?? > >> end try > >> end mouseUP > >> > >> I get an error of 348,0,0 > >> > >> Jim > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> Peter Brigham wrote: > >>> > >>> The syntax for the try construction is > >>> > >>> try > >>> > >>> catch tError > >>> > >>> end try > >>> > >>> and the error number is put into the variable tError. So the commands> could be, eg, > >>> > >>> if tError = 314 then > >>> answer "range error in loading array" > >>> else if ... > >>> etc. > >>> end if > >>> > >>> -- Peter > >>> > >>> Peter M. Brigham > >>> > >>> pmbrig at gmail.com > >>> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig > >>> > >> > >> ___ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > ___ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Need an example of how to use "try" and "catch"
You're getting an error because the catch part of try takes only 1 parameter - the variable that holds the error - not two as in the script. Also, as noted by Peter, the try statement doesn't help you with the specific example you used since getting a non-existant custom property doesn't cause an error. I've sometimes wished there was a preference similar to the "Strict Compilation Mode" to deal with that. Pete On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Jim Hurley wrote: > Bob, > > Yes that would be fine, except that I get a compilation error at the line: > > catch theError, theNum > > RR says: (try: not a command), char 7 > > Jim > > > > Bob Sneidar wrote: > > > try > > put "foo" into myVar > > put the value of myVarr > > catch theError, theNum > > -- breakpoint > > answer theNum & cr & line1 of theError as sheet > > exit to top > > end try > > > > Is that what you mean? > > > > Bob > > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: revCopyFile
Hi Geoff, Thanks for the speed test info. I'm not very familiar with shell commands so maybe you could let me know the command to use? What I need to do is copy a file to a different folder with a different file name. The lack of a progress bar might be a problem, but if the speed differences are as much as you found, there may not be a need for a progress bar at all. Also, I assume the shell commands would be different on Windows and Mac. That's an inconvenience because it means extra coding, but not a show stopper. Thanks, Pete On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote: > The advantages derive from the fact that LiveCode isn't doing the actual > copying with revCopyFile -- the Finder is. For completeness, the same > advantage applies to using a shell command. You don't get a progress dialog > though. > > Okay, I just did a quick one-off test with interface sounds off. For thirty > files that were each about 70kb, using a shell command was about 3x faster > than using revCopyFile. That's without taking advantage of the ability to > move and rename in one step with a shell command. If that's what you're > doing, the advantage would be even greater. > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Pete wrote: > > > Thanks all for the input. Sounds like Stephen's approach is the only way > > to get rid of it. Seems like that setting will apply to other sounds as > > well, but I'm OK with that. > > > > As far as using AppleScript, I'm using revCopyFile because the dictionary > > claims there are "certain advantages" to using it over "put URL" or any > > other method, amongst which is that it does not require reading the file > > into memory, and since some of these files could be pretty large, that's > > significant. On a Mac, it also displays a progress bar which I don;t > think > > would be possible if I used "put URL". > > > > Pete > > > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Geoff Canyon > wrote: > > > > > I went straight to the shell command, so I don't know for sure, but > this > > > sounds reasonable. There's also the overhead of spinning up AppleScript > > in > > > the first place. If Apple is doing that badly, that might also cause > > > problems I suppose. > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 1:24 PM, stephen barncard < > > > stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com> wrote: > > > > > > > That was probably a big reason why multiple file transfers would take > > > more > > > > time - loading and unloading the sound - and perhaps the reason why > it > > > > failed after memory was exceeded. > > > > > > > ___ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Pete > > Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> > > ___ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Setting script in object not working...
Hi Glen, I guess I'm referring to storing the script of the image, not the image itself. I'm wondering if setting the script of an object invokes a save, same for the tooltip, because you can't save data in a currently executing program. One thing for sure is that the scripts you set would not be there in any following executions of the standalone. All this is predicated on the standalone being one self-contained stack file and not a splash stack that loads the real application stack at run time. Somewhat stabbing in the dark though Pete On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote: > Hi Pete, > > I am not trying to save the new images in the standalone but only show > them. If the user wants to save the images they are exported as png's. > > But I am now certain that there is something amiss... I can set the tooltip > for the images and it works fine in both ide and the application. > > I have also tried adding a couple of test buttons, one that cycles through > the images of the group and sets their script and one that reads the list > of image ids that I store and then set the scripts with direct > references... both fail in the application but work in the ide. > > This looks like it will come down to massive trial and error to solve the > problem... so any ideas on tackling the issue? > > By the way the behavior idea failed. > > thanks, > > Glen > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Pete wrote: > > > Is this another manifestation of not being able to save anything in a > stack > > in a standalone program? > > Pete > > > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I have a stack where I generate a series of images. > > > > > > I then set the script of each image to a script that is stored in a > > custom > > > property. > > > > > > In the ide the script works when you click an image and when you > inspect > > > the image's script in the script editor it is there. > > > > > > But when I take the stack and make it into an application it looks as > if > > > the images contain no script because when an image is clicked nothing > > > happens. > > > > > > I have tried making the script very simple ie > > > > > > on mouseUp > > > answer "Success" with "OK" > > > end mouseUp > > > > > > Again this works in the ide but not in the final application? > > > > > > I have tried several other methods such as adding a button that I can > > > manually test in the application to copy a script to an image but this > > > fails? > > > > > > Has anybody experienced this before or have any suggestions? > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > Glen > > > ___ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Pete > > Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> > > ___ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Setting script in object not working...
Is this another manifestation of not being able to save anything in a stack in a standalone program? Pete On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote: > Hello, > > I have a stack where I generate a series of images. > > I then set the script of each image to a script that is stored in a custom > property. > > In the ide the script works when you click an image and when you inspect > the image's script in the script editor it is there. > > But when I take the stack and make it into an application it looks as if > the images contain no script because when an image is clicked nothing > happens. > > I have tried making the script very simple ie > > on mouseUp > answer "Success" with "OK" > end mouseUp > > Again this works in the ide but not in the final application? > > I have tried several other methods such as adding a button that I can > manually test in the application to copy a script to an image but this > fails? > > Has anybody experienced this before or have any suggestions? > > thanks, > > Glen > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Speaking of SmartAss..
I just came across this quote. It was new to me, maybe not to others. Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. - Rich Cook -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: revCopyFile
Thanks all for the input. Sounds like Stephen's approach is the only way to get rid of it. Seems like that setting will apply to other sounds as well, but I'm OK with that. As far as using AppleScript, I'm using revCopyFile because the dictionary claims there are "certain advantages" to using it over "put URL" or any other method, amongst which is that it does not require reading the file into memory, and since some of these files could be pretty large, that's significant. On a Mac, it also displays a progress bar which I don;t think would be possible if I used "put URL". Pete On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: > I went straight to the shell command, so I don't know for sure, but this > sounds reasonable. There's also the overhead of spinning up AppleScript in > the first place. If Apple is doing that badly, that might also cause > problems I suppose. > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 1:24 PM, stephen barncard < > stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com> wrote: > > > That was probably a big reason why multiple file transfers would take > more > > time - loading and unloading the sound - and perhaps the reason why it > > failed after memory was exceeded. > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
revCopyFile
Anyone know of a way to get rid of that annoying sound when revCopyFile has finished copying a file? This is on a Mac, don't know if it happens in Windows. -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Highest Image File ID
Maybe "get the ID of the last image of stack "xyz"? Not sure if that would work or not, I seem to remember having problems with using the "last" keyword in the past but I think that was specifically to do with groups. Pete On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:49 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 3/21/12 11:25 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > >> Can anyone think of a quick way (other than a repeat loop) to >> determine the highest ID of all the image files in a stack? >> > > The ID of the stack is the either the last-used ID or the next available > one, I forget which. It doesn't discriminate between the kinds of controls > though. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > __**_ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode<http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: MySQL standalone issues
I think I vaguely remember running into that once, worth a try. Pete On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Ken Ray wrote: > > On Mar 20, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Sieg Lindstrom wrote: > > > Next I copied the button containing the working script to my existing > app and saved that as a standalone. This time it didn't open the database. > Instead it returned the answer error "Unable to connect to the database. > revdberr, invalid database type." > > Sieg, I had that happen recently - it had to do with the proper > spelling/capitalization of the first parameter. Try using "mysql" (all > lower case)… it *shouldn't* make a difference, but it did for me. > > Ken Ray > Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. > Email: k...@sonsothunder.com > Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: accessing colorized script
The new 5.5 release has lots of stuff related to field formatting. Maybe some of that might help, especially if RunRev used the new features to colorise scripts. Pete On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Perhaps you could use MetaCard's script colorising routines. > http://qery.us/1w9 > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > KvK: 50277553 > > Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.7 for LiveCode here > http://qery.us/za > > On 21 mrt 2012, at 13:44, Peter M. Brigham, MD wrote: > > > > Oh, too bad. Well, at least it's simple to color the comments green in > my display field, that facilitates looking through the scripts to some > extent. > > > > -- Peter > > > > Peter M. Brigham > > pmb...@gmail.com > > http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig > > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: MySQL standalone issues
Hi Sieg, Doesn't seem like storing data in external files should be a problem, especially since the app has been working for so long, although maybe there's a different path to the files needed for the standalone than in the IDE. Still think there could be clues in a sample of the failing code along with the error message you're getting. Pete On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Sieg Lindstrom wrote: > Thanks, Pete. That gives me a clue. The LC app of primary concern to me > has such a long history it started out as a HyperCard stack (and formerly > interfaced with a local database, not MySQL). There are instances in which > it temporarily saves data to text files to get around HyperCard's > 30,000-character field length limit. That said, I have considered that > aspect before, and the text files in question are included with the stack > in the standalone settings, but maybe I haven't done that properly. > > In fact, I now realize that the text files, being of such ancient vintage, > don't have .txt extensions. Now wondering if that is the root of the > problem, even though this app has worked in the IDE for 7 years. > > Sieg Lindstrom > > On Mar 20, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Pete wrote: > > > Hi Sieg, > > I don't know of such an article but people on this list can probably help > > if you give use a bit more detail about what the queries are and what > error > > messages you are getting. > > > > There shouldn't be any SQL reasons for things not working in a standalone > > if they worked in the IDE so I suspect it's some LC related issue. The > > favorite candidate for things like this is usually relying on data being > > saved somewhere in the standalone, which can't be done. > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: MySQL standalone issues
Hi Sieg, I don't know of such an article but people on this list can probably help if you give use a bit more detail about what the queries are and what error messages you are getting. There shouldn't be any SQL reasons for things not working in a standalone if they worked in the IDE so I suspect it's some LC related issue. The favorite candidate for things like this is usually relying on data being saved somewhere in the standalone, which can't be done. Pete On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Sieg Lindstrom wrote: > Can anyone point me to an article or tutorial that walks thru all the > considerations for making MySQL database functionality work in a standalone? > > I have created several apps that query a MySQL database. They work fine in > the IDE but I have never been able to get them to run as standalones, from > which they return a variety of error messages depending on the specific > query involved. > > Thanks in advance, > > Sieg Lindstrom > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: New Xcode 4.3.1
I'm happy to see in the newsletter announcement of LC 5.5 I just received that it retains "Save As" as a file menu option. Maybe Apple will ban LC from use on desktops because of that, who knows. Pete On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Tim Jones wrote: > On Mar 19, 2012, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > > > On 3/19/12 3:25 PM, Ken Ray wrote: > > > >> This is actually a lot uglier when you try to "Save as" a file on a > locked volume to another place - you get multiple steps and tirades of > dialogs informing you why you can't save the original file (which you > weren't trying to do in the first place)… > > > > Is "Export" supposed to do that now? Mind, I'm still going on > theoreticals until I actually install Lion. > > ... but what you're supposed to do is according to my Apple Store Genius > is "Duplicate" the opened file, close the original, change the new "Copy" > and then "Save". When you save the duplicate, you'll be prompted with the > normal "Save As..." dialogs. > > And I agree, this is two steps back. > > Tim > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Failing to understand the oddities of the "line" chunk
I think it's unlikely anything about this behavior will change no matter what bug report is filed. There's the backward compatibility issue you raised (although I personally think that is usually a cop out) but you could also argue that what happens is by design. I'm thinking your hope for a "more right" answer is probably in vain at this point! Pete On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote: > On 20/03/2012 17:17, Pete wrote: > >> So I wouldn't vote for a bug report that asked for lines to behave like >> characters in this respect. I would vote for a bug report that asked for >> this situation to be caught as an error (although I think it would have to >> be a run time error not compile time since the start and end points could >> be variables or expressions). >> >> Lost in this discussion is the reason why someone wanted to do this in the >> first place. Alex, I think it was you that started this whole thread - >> did >> you have a specific reason for wanting to specify a line range with an end >> point before the start or was it just an observation? >> >> No, no specific reason to want to do it - it kind of happened by > accident :-) > And it wasn't so much an observation as a question - > can someone give me a rationale for this behaviour so I can deal with it > better ? > > What I *wanted* to do was replace line 'x' of someContainer (and > everything after it) by my new data, > so I did the (temptingly logical - but WRONG) thing of > > put newData into line x to -1 of someContainer > > NB that is simply wrong, because "line -1" means the last line that is > there - not to the end after what I specified :-) > > as it happened, the container had x-1 lines in it at the time (including a > trailing line delimiter, just to confuse things), so that became equivalent > to "put newData into line x to x-1 of someContainer" > > I knew that what was happening seemed wrong - but couldn't figure out how > or why. Jacque's explanation showed me what I should do - but still left > that niggling feeling of something being a bit odd. > > I can get what I wanted in a couple of safe ways > a.delete line x to -1 of t!! inverted range - but AFAIK it does > the right thing with it in all cases > put newData into line 2 of t > > b.put newData into line 2 to kInfinity of t -- where kInfinity is > some arbitrarily large constant > > I'm not sure what I would vote for now, hence I haven't yet put in a bug > report. Personally, I'd probably like a run-time error, but I suspect that > the need for backwards compatability would prevent that being feasible. > > -- Alex, still hoping for someone to come up with a "more right" answer :-) > > > > __**_ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode<http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Failing to understand the oddities of the "line" chunk
I'd like to chime in here again on a couple of things. First, I'm sticking by my assertion that a range with an end point less than a start point is not a logical structure in a general sense. I'm well aware the the selectedChunk uses that mechanism to indicate the position of the insertion point when no text is selected. That makes it valid in LC terms but it doesn't make it logical. I can think of several other ways LC could have indicated the position of the insertion point, for example the selectedChunk could have returned a single character position instead of a range. But the original design of Hypercard or whatever it was back in those days didn't do it that way so that's what we have. I'm also against making lines behave in the same way as characters. I know it's a self supporting statement but I just don;t like the idea of proliferating an illogical construct for the sake of consistency. But more important than that, lines and characters are two entirely different things. Lines don't have an insertion point, which seems to be the only reason that a range with an end point less than a start point is valid in LC. They have a terminating character (or separator depending on your point of view); characters don't have a separator that delineates them from each other. If you get the selectedLine, you will see either a single line number if one line is selected or a line number range if multiple lines are selected but you will never see a line range with the end line less than the start line. So I wouldn't vote for a bug report that asked for lines to behave like characters in this respect. I would vote for a bug report that asked for this situation to be caught as an error (although I think it would have to be a run time error not compile time since the start and end points could be variables or expressions). Lost in this discussion is the reason why someone wanted to do this in the first place. Alex, I think it was you that started this whole thread - did you have a specific reason for wanting to specify a line range with an end point before the start or was it just an observation? Pete On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 7:37 AM, Peter M. Brigham, MD wrote: > On Mar 20, 2012, at 10:00 AM, Klaus on-rev wrote: > > > Hi Peter, > > > > Am 20.03.2012 um 14:40 schrieb Peter M. Brigham, MD: > > > >> On Mar 20, 2012, at 1:52 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: > >> > >>> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:54 PM, J. Landman Gay > >>> wrote: > >>> > >> ... > >> Jacque's point still holds, though -- the implementation of this form > using lines instead of chars is *not* consistent. > >> try this: > >> > >> put "one,two,three" into t > >> replace comma with cr in t > >> put t into tt > > > >> ##put "WHAT!!!???" into line 3 to 2 of tt > > ## Wrong ORDER of line range! > > > > put "Waht!!!???" into line 2 to 3 of tt > > ## Will give the desired result: > > That's my point. The compiler should reject >put "WHAT!!!???" into line 3 to 2 of tt > if it's not going to implement it in a way that is consistent with > put "WHAT!!!???" into char 3 to 2 of tt > > -- Peter > > Peter M. Brigham > pmb...@gmail.com > http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: MySQL joined select
Hi Ken, Good catch on the multiple FROM clauses, not sure what that's all about. Probably just needs to qualify the columns in the condition with the table name. The SELECT statement has a lot of problems in general. There's no JOIN statement to link table1 and table2 together, for example. That might work as long as the column(s) to be used to join the tables together have the same name in both tables but in general, it's much better to explicitly define the linkage with a JOIN statement - for clarity reasons if no other. Just one comment on the need to qualify columns with table names. I definitely agree it's good practice to do that for clarity but as long as a column name is unique among all tables, SQL will figure out which table an unqualified column name belongs to. Pete On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 8:46 AM, Ken Ray wrote: > > On Mar 20, 2012, at 4:20 AM, Marek Reichenbach wrote: > > > Thanks for the replies. > > I've made it workin, but I wanna add something else: > > > > So the question in SQL is: > > > > Maybe there is a way to hide columns it the result, like: > > SELECT car_nr, model, travel_days FROM table1,table2 WHERE number <> 414 > > AND (car_nr > truck_nr) from transport; > > and show only result of the colums travel_days, but ONLY on* > > **separate* columns > > and HIDE OTHER COLUMNS. > > You only include the columns you want back in the SELECT part of the query: > > SELECT travel_days FROM … > > Also, although I know you provided a dummy query, be aware that there are > two inherent problems with the one you provided: > > 1) If you have multiple tables in the FROM clause, you need to identify > the table attached to the column in the SELECT clause (although some SQL > engines might just assume you meant the first table, it's good form to > identify the table), either by full name: > > SELECT table1.travel_days FROM table1,table2 WHERE… > > or by alias: > > SELECT t1.travel_days FROM table1 t1,table2 t2 WHERE… > > 2) I'm not sure what "from transport" means since you already have a FROM > clause in your example query > > The bottom line is that you don't have to include columns in the SELECT > portion of the query that you don't want back, so long as you identify them > properly and they actually exist in the table you're referencing. > > Just be aware that LiveCode's text parsing is second to none, so there are > usually times where it may actually be easier and more efficient to let SQL > handle getting the data, but let LiveCode handle parsing the data after it > arrives. As I mentioned in an earlier post, you *can* use SQL to change > your numbers to "+" symbols, but it's ugly - Mark's method to post-process > it in LC with a single statement if far better (IMHO). > > Ken Ray > Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. > Email: k...@sonsothunder.com > Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: MySQL joined select
Hi Marek,
I think you're confusing what you get back from the SELECT statement with
what you display to your users - they are two different things. I'm going
to assume that you need all the columns you name in your SELECT statement
for some processing reasons but that doesn't mean you have to show them all
to your users. Once you get the data back from the SELECT, it's up to you
which columns you put in a filed, datagrid, or any other Livecode control.
Maybe you're thinking that you have to SELECT the column because you refer
to it elsewhere in the SELECT statement, but that's not the case. You can
refer to any columns form the selected tables anywhere in your SELECT even
if they are not explicitly selected.
Pete
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Marek Reichenbach <
reichenbach.ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the replies.
> I've made it workin, but I wanna add something else:
>
> So the question in SQL is:
>
> Maybe there is a way to hide columns it the result, like:
> SELECT car_nr, model, travel_days FROM table1,table2 WHERE number <> 414
> AND (car_nr > truck_nr) from transport;
> and show only result of the colums travel_days, but ONLY on*
> **separate* columns
> and HIDE OTHER COLUMNS.
>
> I've posted here more detailed:
> http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=11426&p=53702#p53702
> Help please...
>
> On 20 March 2012 01:09, Pete wrote:
>
> > Seems like either Peter or Mark's solution would be a lot better than
> > trying to do it with an SQL SELECT, but I'm also not sure of what Marek
> is
> > trying to achieve - seems strange to want to replace all the numbers with
> > plus signs. Maybe he wants a floating plus sign at the start of the
> > number, dunno.
> > Pete
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Peter M. Brigham, MD > >wrote:
> >
> > > repeat with n = 1 to length(tInput)
> > > if char n of tInput is a number
> > > then put "+" into char n of tInput
> > > else put "-" into char n of tInput
> > > end repeat
> > >
> > > Or am I missing something?
> > >
> > > -- Peter
> > >
> > > Peter M. Brigham
> > > pmb...@gmail.com
> > > http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
> > >
> > > On Mar 19, 2012, at 5:15 PM, Pete wrote:
> > >
> > > > I wonder if there might be a less ugly way to do this in LC instead
> of
> > > > SQL...
> > > > Pete
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Marek
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Thanks a lot! That helped me a lot man.
> > > >>
> > > >> Marek Reichenbach
> > > >>
> > > >> On 2012 Kov. 19, at 19:29, Ken Ray wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Mar 19, 2012, at 3:44 AM, Marek Reichenbach wrote:
> > > >>>> when i get for example: 1234567 -> i should get result +++,
> > > 123-56-
> > > >> I
> > > >>>> would get +++-++- .
> > > >>>
> > > >>> The only way I know is kind of ugly, requiring seven nested REPLACE
> > > >> statements:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> SELECT
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> REPLACE(REPLACE(REPLACE(REPLACE(REPLACE(REPLACE(REPLACE("123-56-","1","+"),"2","+"),"3","+"),"4","+"),"5","+"),"6","+"),"7","+")
> > > >>>
> > > >>> This would return:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> +++-++-
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Ken Ray
> > > >>> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> > > >>> Email: k...@sonsothunder.com
> > > >>> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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Re: Text formatting for a slider
Thanks, 4wProps no installed. Pete On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Jim Hurley wrote: > You might want to check out Richard's 4wProps (under the > Development/Plugins menu). Easy access to all the properties. > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: MySQL joined select
Seems like either Peter or Mark's solution would be a lot better than
trying to do it with an SQL SELECT, but I'm also not sure of what Marek is
trying to achieve - seems strange to want to replace all the numbers with
plus signs. Maybe he wants a floating plus sign at the start of the
number, dunno.
Pete
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Peter M. Brigham, MD wrote:
> repeat with n = 1 to length(tInput)
> if char n of tInput is a number
> then put "+" into char n of tInput
> else put "-" into char n of tInput
> end repeat
>
> Or am I missing something?
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmb...@gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
> On Mar 19, 2012, at 5:15 PM, Pete wrote:
>
> > I wonder if there might be a less ugly way to do this in LC instead of
> > SQL...
> > Pete
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Marek
> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks a lot! That helped me a lot man.
> >>
> >> Marek Reichenbach
> >>
> >> On 2012 Kov. 19, at 19:29, Ken Ray wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 19, 2012, at 3:44 AM, Marek Reichenbach wrote:
> >>>> when i get for example: 1234567 -> i should get result +++,
> 123-56-
> >> I
> >>>> would get +++-++- .
> >>>
> >>> The only way I know is kind of ugly, requiring seven nested REPLACE
> >> statements:
> >>>
> >>> SELECT
> >>
> REPLACE(REPLACE(REPLACE(REPLACE(REPLACE(REPLACE(REPLACE("123-56-","1","+"),"2","+"),"3","+"),"4","+"),"5","+"),"6","+"),"7","+")
> >>>
> >>> This would return:
> >>>
> >>> +++-++-
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ken Ray
> >>> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> >>> Email: k...@sonsothunder.com
> >>> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> >>>
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Re: MySQL joined select
I wonder if there might be a less ugly way to do this in LC instead of
SQL...
Pete
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Marek wrote:
> Thanks a lot! That helped me a lot man.
>
> Marek Reichenbach
>
> On 2012 Kov. 19, at 19:29, Ken Ray wrote:
>
> >
> > On Mar 19, 2012, at 3:44 AM, Marek Reichenbach wrote:
> >> when i get for example: 1234567 -> i should get result +++, 123-56-
> I
> >> would get +++-++- .
> >
> > The only way I know is kind of ugly, requiring seven nested REPLACE
> statements:
> >
> > SELECT
> REPLACE(REPLACE(REPLACE(REPLACE(REPLACE(REPLACE(REPLACE("123-56-","1","+"),"2","+"),"3","+"),"4","+"),"5","+"),"6","+"),"7","+")
> >
> > This would return:
> >
> > +++-++-
> >
> >
> > Ken Ray
> > Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> > Email: k...@sonsothunder.com
> > Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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Re: Text formatting for a slider
Yeah, but that displays all possible properties of any object. The "properties" property of an object gets you an array of properties for a specific object. Still a long list mind you, and not a complete list either according to the dictionary. I think you're probably right that it would make the inspector windows very unwieldy to include all properties. The problem is that by leaving some of them out, arbitrarily, it gives the impression that they aren't available, especially to new users. I remember when I first started using LC and wanted to set the behavior of an option menu button - there's no inspector window behavior field so I just assumed it wasn't possible for some reason and went down a different, much more complicated path. Seems like it would have been trivial to include one more option in the inspector option menu for "All Properties" or something similar. I ended up writing my own plugin to show all the properties of a selected object and allow me to change any of them. Pete On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Richmond wrote: > On 03/19/2012 06:05 PM, Jim Hurley wrote: > >> I have a slider in which the showValue is set to true. >> >> Unfortunately, the card background is gray and the black slider value is >> very difficult to read. >> >> The inspector for the slider does not display an option for the >> foreground color. Why not? >> >> Using 4W Properties (thank you RIchard) the foreground color is listed as >> an option (and can be changed there, or from the msg box.) >> >> Why this omission in the Inspector? (LC version 4 AND 5.) >> > > Almost all object have a vast number of options that one can fiddle around > with; the Props Inspector only > displays a subset of them; why? I don't know, but I can hazard a guess: > > a Props Inspector that displayed ALL the props of each object might be so > unwieldy as to be virtually unusable. > > "Just for fun" . . . > > Set up a new stack with a scrollingListField field called "PROPPS" > > and try this in the MessageBox: > > put the propertyNames into fld "PROPPS" > > and "blow your mind" . . . :) > > >> >> Jim >> __**_ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode<http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> >> > > > __**_ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode<http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: OS X application ID
But be careful - those properties aren't carried over to the standalone so if you need access to them in the standalone as well as the IDE, you'll need to grab them and put them into your own custom properties, possibly in the savingStandalone handler. Pete On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 10:39 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 3/19/12 8:30 AM, Dar Scott wrote: > >> I am pondering about how a handler that is part of the development of >> an application that is being created and tested in the IDE might know >> about the eventual OS X application ID of that app. >> >> Where is the OS X application ID saved by the standalone application >> settings window? >> >> I assume this is in a property of the stack. >> >> And if one happens to know these... What is the value when no >> settings have been set up? What is the value in standalones and in >> IDE stacks? >> > > All the standalone settings are stored in a custom property set of the > stack called "cRevStandaloneSettings". Turn on "LiveCode UI Elements in > Lists" under the View menu and you'll be able to see that property set in > the stack inspector. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > __**_ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode<http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Failing to understand the oddities of the "line" chunk
I can't help but feel that LC should flag a run time error in this situation. it's not logical for a range to have an end point less than its start point. Any other action requires an arbitrary decision on what the user wants to happen and, as evident from this thread, different users expect different things. Pete On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 10:29 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 3/19/12 11:47 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > >> If it resolves to an insertion point, then it's doing exactly what >> you would expect. It's putting something into that insertion point. >> > > That was my first reaction too, but on closer inspection it's putting the > text into the wrong line. > > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > __**_ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode<http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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SELECT A,B,C,TABLE2.D FROM TABLE1 LEFT JOIN TABLE2 ON TABLE2.C < TABLE1.B On Mar 17, 2012 3:44 AM, "Marek Reichenbach" wrote: > I'm trying to do in LiveCode with MySQL: > how to use data from other table in the same query for filtering: > > SELECT A, B ,C, (SELECT D FROM TABLE2 WHERE C[from table2] < B[from > table1]) FROM TABLE1; <-- the stucture of query > > help please :/ > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Detection of Keyboard Closing
As an Android user not developer, maybe this explains a somewhat annoying aspect of some Andorid apps which, when you open them, position the cursor in a field which requires input before you can continue but does not bring up the keyboard until you tap on the field. Pete On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Ken Ray wrote: > Yes, unfortunately showing/hiding the keyboard on Android is a hit-or-miss > situation. We don't get any messages that the keyboard is deploying or not > (like we get in iOS), and there's also no way AFAIK to know the height of > the keyboard - which on Android is a big issue since you can swap keyboards > easily and they can (and do) have different heights. -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sqlite and performances in LiveCode
Thanks Trevor, I found the problem. I had a set dgText to empty in there, forgetting that dgText doesn't exist in these circumstances. Changed that to se the dgNumberOfRecords to zero and all works fine now. Pete On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 4:55 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote: > On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Pete wrote: > > > > > I'm using the datagrid in question as a general purpose viewer of data > from > > any table in an sqlite database. The circumstances that cause the > problem > > are if I have data from a table displayed, then I filter it in some way, > so > > the number and format of the dg columns is the same but the rows contain > a > > subset of the original data. If I select a different table and therefore > > change the number and size of the dg columns, the correct data is > > displayed. > > > > You could try sending "RefreshList" to the data grid after updating the > dgNumberOfRecords property. The data links displayed controls with lines in > the data and if you are changing the underlying data then you will need to > clear this cache. When setting the dgData or dgText this is done for you > automatically. > > Regards, > > -- > Trevor DeVore > Blue Mango Learning Systems > www.clarify-it.com-www.screensteps.com > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sqlite and performances in LiveCode
Hi Trevor, Sorry to keep coming up with new quirks but I have another strange situation regarding GetDataForLine. Under some circumstances, the data that I supply from GetDataForLine ends up in the datagrid starting at the 13th line instead of line 1 and the first 12 lines have data in them from the previous cycle of GetDataForLine. One GetDataForLine cycle deals with 12 lines. I'm using the datagrid in question as a general purpose viewer of data from any table in an sqlite database. The circumstances that cause the problem are if I have data from a table displayed, then I filter it in some way, so the number and format of the dg columns is the same but the rows contain a subset of the original data. If I select a different table and therefore change the number and size of the dg columns, the correct data is displayed. I set a breakpoint at the end of GetDataForLine and can see that I am sending the correct data back to the datagrid in pDataA and pline starts at 1 and continues correctly up to 12. If I refresh the datagrid either from its Inspector palette or by script, the correct data turns up at the top of the datagrid although that invokes another cycle of GetDataForLine. Also, if I scroll down the datagrid past the 12th line then scroll back to the top of the datagrid, the correct data turns up. If I scroll less than 12 lines then back, some of the incorrect lines still appear and the the rest of the lines are correct. For example, if I scroll down 4 lines then back, the first 4 lines have incorrect data and the rest are correct. It seems like this must be something I'm doing wrong in my code but the fact that I see the correct data being sent to the datagrid for the correct line from GetDataForLine seems to argue against that. Can you think of anything that might cause this behavior? Thanks, Pete On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote: > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Pete wrote: > > > OK, found the problem. I had a set dgProps["sort by column"] statement > > after setting the dgNUmberOfRecords. Moved that to a place where > > dgNumberOfRecords is zero and only one cycle of GetDataForLine happens > now. > > > > Great. Just remember that anytime a redrawing of the data grid has to occur > (e.g. when changing sorting) GetDataForLine has to be called. > > > > Thanks for the help in tracking it down. There are a lot of nuances > > to using dgNumberOfRecords! > > > Yes there are. GetDataForLine is a (bolted on) means of providing an > approach that separates the control from the data so the data doesn't > reside within the view control itself. The API for the data grid was built > around the standard LiveCode control behavior where the data resides within > the control. > > There really is room for a data grid-like control that is really just a > view and does nothing more than display data that is fed to it from a data > source. > > Regards, > > -- > Trevor DeVore > Blue Mango Learning Systems > www.clarify-it.com-www.screensteps.com > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Filter probelm
Duh!! Thank you Terry.
Pete
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Terry Judd wrote:
>
> On 14/03/2012, at 02:52 PM, Pete wrote:
>
> Unless I'm doing something wrong, "filter tvar without tab" doesn't work,
> that is the lines with a tab remain in tvar after the filter command.
>
> Suer would be nice to have that work when dynamically building the contents
> of a popup menu with indented lines in it...
>
> That would only work if the lines you wanted to filter out only contained
> a tab character. If they contain other stuff then you need one of the
> following...
>
> filter tvar without ("*"&tab&"*") -- if the tab can be anywhere in the line
> filter tvar without (tab&"*") -- if the tab is at the start of the line, or
> filter tvar without ("*"&tab) -- if the tab is at the end of the line
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> Terry...
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Re: help pls
Hi Marek, I have to admit I'm not fully understanding the requirement you described on the forum but if you need to have a calculated value column based on other columns, you can have the database do that by defining a triggers that will happen every time an INSERT or UPDATE is done to the table in question. That way, the db does all the work for you and all you have to do is a simple SELECT for the calculated column. The syntax for creating a mySQL trigger is at http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/create-trigger.html. It would look something like: CREATE TRIGGER mytrigger AFTER INSERT ON thetable FOR EACH ROW UPDATE thetable SET PRICE to (NEW.Col1 * New.Col2) WHERE id=NEW.id You would also have a second trigger defined as AFTER UPDATE. With those triggers in place, just SELECT PRICE FROM theTable. Hope that helps. Pete On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Marek Reichenbach < reichenbach.ma...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi , any suggestions on this post ? > http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=11360&p=53356#p53356 > Help please > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Filter probelm
Unless I'm doing something wrong, "filter tvar without tab" doesn't work, that is the lines with a tab remain in tvar after the filter command. Suer would be nice to have that work when dynamically building the contents of a popup menu with indented lines in it... -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sqlite and performances in LiveCode
Hi Trevor, OK, found the problem. I had a set dgProps["sort by column"] statement after setting the dgNUmberOfRecords. Moved that to a place where dgNumberOfRecords is zero and only one cycle of GetDataForLine happens now. Thanks for the help in tracking it down. There are a lot of nuances to using dgNumberOfRecords! Pete On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote: > If you have the dgNumberOfRecords set to a positive number then that makes > sense as the data grid has to redraw. > > If the dgNumberOfRecords is set to 0 (and messages aren't locked when > setting it) then I'm not sure why that is. Setting the dgNumberOfRecords to > 0 should do the trick as it empties out the internal sDataArray array. > GetDataForLine is only sent if an entry in the sDataArray array is NULL. > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Cyberduck versus Flow
I use Cyberduck and Taco HTML Edit together to get the benefits of the combined editor/ftp. Cyberduck detetcs the presence of Taco on your computer and includes a contextual menu item to download a file into Taco, then when you save it in Taco it automatically upload to the server again. Pete On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Hi Francis: > > If you want cheap, Flow is on sale at the moment, so it is a great deal. > I've used it a bit, though not with On_Rev, and it has worked fine. > > If you're looking specifically for a Mac solution -- there are other FTP > tools that have been around for a while but cost more: > Fetch - http://fetchsoftworks.com/fetch/ > Transmit - http://www.panic.com/transmit/ > > One thing you might want to consider is a combination code-editor/FTP app > like Panic's Coda or MacRabbit's Espresso. You edit your code locally and > then upload from the same interface. Espresso has an option that can > automatically upload your page every time you save locally, which is a > great > timesaver in some situations. I have been using Espresso for a while now, > and while it sometimes need to be "refreshed" with On-Rev, I love it. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > > > Recently, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote: > > > Hi from Beautiful Brittany, > > > > Maybe a little outside LiveCode discussions, but > > I want the best app to upload my files to my On-Rev > > server. > > > > I was happy with FileZilla, then I found Cyberduck which > > really makes me happy, now I see "Flow" which seems to > > beat all the FTP apps hands down (cheap at $4.99). > > > > Can I get some feedback from Cyberduck/Flow users to > > help me decide whether to go with the flow (pun intended !) > > > > -Francis > > > > "Windows is, and always was, a succession of panes !" > > > > ___ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription > > preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Externals
Thank you Francois. Pete 2012/3/12 François Chaplais > try > http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/november/issue13/newsletter5.php > and > http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/november/issue14/newsletter3.php > Best regards, >François > Le 12 mars 2012 à 22:53, Pete a écrit : > > > The Reference Manual includes a link to get the externals developer kit > and > > also a couple of links to tutorials for writing externals. None of them > > work (error 404's). > > > > Can someone point me to where I can get the kit and review the tutorials? > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > -- > > Pete > > Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> > > ___ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Passing parameters by reference
I'm not sure whose post you're responding to Bob. Where do you see something that amounts to a statement being passed as a referenced parameter? Pete On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Just weighing in here, that would be a bit confusing. Passing by reference > means that the command or function has access to the variable passed to it. > By passing what amounts to a statement, there is nothing for LC to > manipulate on the other end. Statements have to have some place to put the > results. In this case, there is no place for LC to put the statement when > passed by reference. > > Even a reference to an element of an array is a statement of sorts. That > the command is in essence the characters for key delimiters [] doesn't > change that. The array that is an element in a multidimensional array is > not itself a container. The array is the container. To work with it you > have to put it into it's own container then pass the new array by reference. > > I hope that makes sense. At least it does to me. :-) > > Bob > > > On Mar 10, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Dar Scott wrote: > > > Thanks for the tip, Dick, on using the list of keys. One can think of > arrays as nested or multidimensional. > > > > On Mar 10, 2012, at 1:06 AM, Dick Kriesel wrote: > >> I agree it'd be good if LC could accept any array reference for > invoking a handler that specifies pass-by-reference. > > > > Though is is probably more work, one might also consider chunks in > pass-by-reference. > > > > Maybe any thing the subtract command can take. > > > > However, this might be a problem: > > > > doSomethingToTheseTwo char 1 to 2 of it, char 2 to 3 of it > > > > command doSomethingToTheseTwo @a, @b > > put "butter" into a > > put "cheese" into b > > put empty into a > > end doSomethingToTheseTwo > > > > That might also have a problem with this call: > > > > doSomethingToTheseTwo x, x["t"] > > > > I immagine LiveCode folks can come up with a semantics that makes sense > for weird cases. > > > > The subtract command does not have the the problem because it modifies > only one thing. > > > > Dar > > > > > > ___ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sqlite and performances in LiveCode
Correction of type! Both instances of 1-2 should read 1-12, sorry. Pete On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Pete wrote: > GetDataForLine gets called once for lines 1-12, then a second time for > lines 1-2 again, and occasionally a third time for lines 1-2. -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
