Re: New(?) Idea for Standalones

[Robert J. Earp via use-livecode]

I too remember the good ‘ol days Roger and in fact still have one of my 
eLearning shell projects that still runs stand-alone on both Catalina and 
Windows, although I’d have to check which version of Windows.  The project has 
stacks calling stacks and external media.  The MacOS stand-alone version is 
just a single file that I’ve shared without having to license from anybody, 
with what I’ve always assumed is  a runtime engine packaged in it some how.  
The Windows version has an .exe and the media and externals are in separate 
folders and again I assume it has the Rev engine.   I haven’t tried this with 
Big Sur.

But going back to you suggestion, as you know I think LC has totally lost focus 
on what its heritage was, except maybe LC Server, if that still exists.  If it 
does, you should be able to develop on whatever, deliver on a web server with 
LC Server loaded, and anybody could run the project anywhere there is a 
browser.  Or along with willy and nilly have I totally lost it, which has been 
known on occasion !!

best, Bob...

> On Mar 27, 2021, at 09:00, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 19:45:21 -0700
> From: Roger Guay mailto:i...@mac.com>>
> To: How to use LiveCode  >
> Subject: Re: New(?) Idea for Standalones
> Message-ID:  >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> In the good ol days, I could build a standalone for the Mac, Windows and 
> Linux and distribute it willy-nilly. Now I have to jump thru intolerable 
> hoops (at least for the Mac) to give someone my standalone. if someone (hint. 
> . .hint) could build a Livecode reader app for dirt cheap or even free w 
> advertising that would run LC standalones, everything would be right in the 
> world again! 
> 
> I think my martini is showing...
> 
> Roger
> 
>> On Mar 26, 2021, at 5:35 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> What are you looking for?  When were these "good ol days" in which one could 
>> run stack files without an engine, and how did that work?
> 

Robert (Bob) Earp
White Rock
British Columbia
Canada

m: +1 604 612 6688





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Re: Completely OT: Reading list recommendations

[Robert J. Earp via use-livecode]

From an old dudes perspective whose brain needs rebooting on a regular basis, 
two books that are a must for anybody coding are;

- Bill Bryson’s "A short History of Nearly Everything" which puts the world 
into perspective.

and

- Douglas Adam's five book trilogy “The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy” where 
you get the answer to everything (42), but are you sure you know the question ?

best, Bob….


> Hopefully I'll find 3 books
> 
>  - a techie one
>  - a non-techie non-fiction one
>  - fiction - preferably fairly light, easy reading



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Saving a tab formatted field to a file and retaining its formatting

[Robert J. Earp via use-livecode]

Dear all, we have a field that is formatted nicely with tabs and want to save 
that as a file, retaining the tab formatting.  The saved file format ideally 
should be .rtf but we may be able to use other formats such as .pdf

Anybody got any ideas how to do this ?

Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

best, Bob…

Bob Earp - White Rock, BC, Canada
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Re: Saving a tab formatted field to a file and retaining its formatting

[Robert J. Earp via use-livecode]

Thanks for the reply Paul.  Yes, tried that but there are problems.  It saves a 
.rtf file but when you open that in MSWord (OS X or Windows) the tabs are 
changed to underscores.  If you open the file in OS X TextEdit it does have 
tabs but the position/spacing is not retained.  I’ve created a sample/test 
stack if anybody wants to play ;-)

Our project is supposed to create a formatted file that external to the LC 
project, gets assembled with other documents/files to make a presentable 
report.  The other docs/files are .rtf (created in MSWord or Pages or TextEdit) 
and an .eps file.  The final report will be a .pdf and Acrobat is likely what 
will get used to manually assemble the final report.

To quote my valued colleague (RogerG) on this problem, and who has spent 
inordinate hours trying to find a solution, tabs have turned out to be tricky 
little devils in LC !!

best, Bob... 

> From: Paul Dupuis mailto:p...@researchware.com>>
> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Saving a tab formatted field to a file and retaining its
>   formatting
> Message-ID:  <mailto:ce0de0c4-5daa-22c0-bf46-cfeceb79a...@researchware.com>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> I take it your have tried:
> 
> put the rtfText of field "X" into URL 
> ("file:"&specialFolderPath("desktop")&slash&"savedfield.rtf")
> 
> And then reading it back to a new field with:
> 
> set the rtfText of field "Y" to URL 
> ("file:"&specialFolderPath("desktop")&slash&"savedfield.rtf")
> 
> and the tab spacing is not preserved?
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/7/2019 7:57 PM, Robert J. Earp via use-livecode wrote:
>> Dear all, we have a field that is formatted nicely with tabs and want to 
>> save that as a file, retaining the tab formatting.  The saved file format 
>> ideally should be .rtf but we may be able to use other formats such as .pdf
>> 
>> Anybody got any ideas how to do this ?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
>> 
>> best, Bob?
>> 
>> Bob Earp - White Rock, BC, Canada
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Re: Saving a tab formatted field to a file and retaining its formatting

[Robert J. Earp via use-livecode]

Many thanks for all of the great response and from such experts !!

I’m not sure if the HTMLText solution will work for us as by default the output 
file would open in a browser and we need to get it into .pdf format to assemble 
(in Acrobat) with the other parts of the report.

RogerG and I are currently mousing around creating a LC tool to output a fields 
content to .pdfIt’s looking promising and we’ll let you know of our success 
or not !!

best, Bob…

Bob Earp - White Rock, BC


> Our project is supposed to create a formatted file that external to the LC 
> project, gets assembled with other documents/files to make a presentable 
> report.  The other docs/files are .rtf (created in MSWord or Pages or 
> TextEdit) and an .eps file.  The final report will be a .pdf and Acrobat is 
> likely what will get used to manually assemble the final report.

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Re: Re: Saving a tab formatted field to a file and retaining its formatting

[Robert J. Earp via use-livecode]

Richard, many thanks for the thought.  If you mean the built-in “printing to 
pdf” then yes, but as far as I could see it only prints cards, not just field 
content.  Is there other pdf support ?

So, we’re having to mess around with creating a series of cards with a single 
field on each with their rects set to US Letter size, copying the desired field 
content into these and then printing to a pdf file.  With the current project 
where the field to print remains roughly the same character count it’s not a 
biggy to get pagination right, but I was hoping to build a tool that could take 
any size of field content with whatever tabs and output that automatically to a 
.pdf of letter size that may be one or more pages.

I haven’t got into controlling fonts yet, meaning does the “printing to pdf” 
use the font attributes that are displayed in the field on the card or ?  My 
simple test suggests yes.

best, Bob... 




> Subject: Re: Saving a tab formatted field to a file and retaining its
>   formatting
> 
> Robert J. Earp wrote:
> 
>> I?m not sure if the HTMLText solution will work for us as by default
>> the output file would open in a browser and we need to get it into
>> .pdf format to assemble (in Acrobat) with the other parts of the
>> report.
>> 
>> RogerG and I are currently mousing around creating a LC tool to output
>> a fields content to .pdfIt?s looking promising and we?ll let you
>> know of our success or not !!
> 
> Would LC's built-in print to PDF support not be an option?
> 
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems

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Re: Saving a tab formatted field to a file and retaining its formatting

[Robert J. Earp via use-livecode]

Many thanks Paul and to Ron Metzker who kindly contacted me off-list with a 
comprehensive handler of what he does using revPrintField.   I must admit that 
the Dictionary still leaves a lot to be desired and without the valued members 
of this and other lists LC would not be so successful ;-)

We will need a cross platform (OS X / Windows) solution for our project and 
although things seem to work great to both print and save a .pdf using 
revPrintField, I’m not sure if Windows supports a print to .pdf feature.  As 
with Ron, I too am OS X based so I can’t check it, but I’m led to believe that 
Windows 10 supports such, but does anybody know if previous versions of Windows 
does ?

Thanks, Bob…
White Rock, BC

> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 13:23:50 -0400
> From: Paul Dupuis mailto:p...@researchware.com>>
> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com 
> Subject: Re: Saving a tab formatted field to a file and retaining its
>   formatting
> 
> Look at "revPrintField" in the Dictionary. If I recall, I think this can 
> be used with the open printing to pdf command
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Re: Saving a tab formatted field to a file and retaining its formatting

[Robert J. Earp via use-livecode]

Dear Håkan,
Please accept my apologies at not replying to you before, and many thanks for 
contacting me and the suggestion.  For our current use we can manually set the 
tab positions in a field, and now that we have learnt to combine "open printing 
to pdf" and “ evPrintField" we can easily output formatted .pdf docs.  Why this 
is not identified in the dictionary I don’t know, but like a lot of things in 
LC, and all of its predecessors, the dictionary leaves a lot to be desired and 
really you have to use it a lot to get proficient, to use the expertise of the 
user lists !!

Again, many thanks for the help, I hope I can reciprocate at some time.

Kind regards, Bob...



> On Apr 11, 2019, at 07:01, ha...@exformedia.se wrote:
> 
> If you want the tab stops to be included in the file I guess you need to add 
> them manually to the rtf file. There is a \tx command in rtf that sets the 
> tab size. I used it long time ago so I don’t remember of it was relative or 
> absolut positions but I do think it should be doable…
> 
> :-Håkan
> On 8 Apr 2019, 18:25 +0200, Robert J. Earp via use-livecode 
> , wrote:
>> Thanks for the reply Paul. Yes, tried that but there are problems. It saves 
>> a .rtf file but when you open that in MSWord (OS X or Windows) the tabs are 
>> changed to underscores. If you open the file in OS X TextEdit it does have 
>> tabs but the position/spacing is not retained. I’ve created a sample/test 
>> stack if anybody wants to play ;-)
>> 
>> Our project is supposed to create a formatted file that external to the LC 
>> project, gets assembled with other documents/files to make a presentable 
>> report. The other docs/files are .rtf (created in MSWord or Pages or 
>> TextEdit) and an .eps file. The final report will be a .pdf and Acrobat is 
>> likely what will get used to manually assemble the final report.
>> 
>> To quote my valued colleague (RogerG) on this problem, and who has spent 
>> inordinate hours trying to find a solution, tabs have turned out to be 
>> tricky little devils in LC !!
>> 
>> best, Bob...
>> 
>>> From: Paul Dupuis mailto:p...@researchware.com>>
>>> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Saving a tab formatted field to a file and retaining its
>>> formatting
>>> Message-ID: >> <mailto:ce0de0c4-5daa-22c0-bf46-cfeceb79a...@researchware.com>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>> 
>>> I take it your have tried:
>>> 
>>> put the rtfText of field "X" into URL
>>> ("file:"&specialFolderPath("desktop")&slash&"savedfield.rtf")
>>> 
>>> And then reading it back to a new field with:
>>> 
>>> set the rtfText of field "Y" to URL
>>> ("file:"&specialFolderPath("desktop")&slash&"savedfield.rtf")
>>> 
>>> and the tab spacing is not preserved?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4/7/2019 7:57 PM, Robert J. Earp via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> Dear all, we have a field that is formatted nicely with tabs and want to 
>>>> save that as a file, retaining the tab formatting. The saved file format 
>>>> ideally should be .rtf but we may be able to use other formats such as .pdf
>>>> 
>>>> Anybody got any ideas how to do this ?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
>>>> 
>>>> best, Bob?
>>>> 
>>>> Bob Earp - White Rock, BC, Canada
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Re: A problem with RunRev email account "sage.on-rev.com"

[Robert J. Earp via use-livecode]

Jim,
I’ve had this before with other accounts, albeit not run-rev.  It’s always a 
problem with the server thinking I’m sending spam when eMailing to many 
addresses.  Even if you get the IP address removed from a blacklist you run the 
risk of it getting put on again without any notification.  I suggest you use 
MailChimp, it’s free and works like a charm.

best, Bob...



> Date: Sun, 26 May 2019 08:24:16 -0700
> From: James Hurley  >
> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com 
> Subject: A problem with RunRev email account "sage.on-rev.com 
> "
> Message-ID: <35c33644-07f5-48df-9ac4-3809f326c...@sbcglobal.net 
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> I have an email account with RunRev: @sage.on-rev.com
> 
> It has worked flawlessly for many years, but for several weeks now all email 
> sent from this account to Microsoft addresses (for example, Hotmail and MSN) 
> have bounced. (All addresses on my list, other than the MS addresses, go 
> through without a problem.)
> 
> I have reported this problem and Robin at RunRev is working on a resolution, 
> but without success. 
> 
> Is there a chance that anyone else on this list has found a workaround?
> 
> Thanks, Jim Hurley
> 
> P.S. I have other email accounts, the above ?@sbcglobal,.com? for example, 
> but only @sage.on-rev.com  allows more than 100 email recipients at a time.
> 
> This is something of an emergency for us. We, i.e. my neighborhood 
> association, is attempting to deal with the wildfire threat here in rural 
> California. So getting the word out to these MS email accounts in our 
> neighborhood association is important.
> 
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