Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.0 DP-1

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 11/26/19 3:26 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:

I have a couple and at least one is directly targeted at mobile (7154).  6404 
is Vulcan reviewed but not yet merged (and is the oldest one I have 
outstanding).  Both are widget updates.

For the IDE I only have 1987 which had a conflict that I just resolved (allow 
nesting of DG behaviors).


Since the beginning of July 2019 I have:

15 sitting in the IDE queue waiting for review.

And 5 in the engine queue, 4 waiting for review, 1 that for some reason 
failed the Travis check for not having environment variables set 
(#7157). Not sure how to force a rebuild on Travis without a bogus 
commit. One of my engine pull requests, though, (#7127) is waiting on 
the team's use of a modern linux version, and that apparently is waiting 
on CEF support.


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.0 DP-1

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

Aloha Panos

1) Right, the IOS INVALID ENTITLEMENTS were the ones I was looking. I’ll be 
sure the save them where I can find them again

2) Yes, I will file a bug report after I am sure that the library (which Jacque 
made originally) is using the correct code for the AVfoundation,  something may 
have changed.

3) Terminal
@ xcode-select -p
[returns]
/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer

# when I installed Xcode, I was prompted for "additional tools" to download and 
install, which I did. So, I think we are good. 

Thanks for all that you do!

BR





Hello Brahmanathaswami,

Not sure which terminal commands you are referring to, maybe these:

```
IOS INVALID ENTITLEMENTS

1. Use the codesign tool to check the entitlements on the .app bundle:
Type in a terminal:

codesign -d --entitlements :- /path/to/yourApp.app

2. Use the security tool to check the entitlements of the app's embedded
provisioning profile:
Type in a terminal:

security cms -D -i /path/to/yourApp.app/embedded.mobileprovision

- Then see if there is an entitlement that is present in (1) but not in (2).

```
Now, regarding the crash you still get with mobileControlCreate, I would
suggest you file a bug report with a sample stack and audio file.

I had tested the new iOS player with both audio and video before releasing
9.6 dp1, with both local and remote files, and had no issues.

BTW I suggest you make sure the command line tools you use are the ones of
Xcode 11.1.

What is the output of this terminal command?

xcode-select -p

Best,
Panos

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.0 DP-1

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hello Brahmanathaswami,

Not sure which terminal commands you are referring to, maybe these:

```
IOS INVALID ENTITLEMENTS

1. Use the codesign tool to check the entitlements on the .app bundle:
Type in a terminal:

codesign -d --entitlements :- /path/to/yourApp.app

2. Use the security tool to check the entitlements of the app's embedded
provisioning profile:
Type in a terminal:

security cms -D -i /path/to/yourApp.app/embedded.mobileprovision

- Then see if there is an entitlement that is present in (1) but not in (2).

```
Now, regarding the crash you still get with mobileControlCreate, I would
suggest you file a bug report with a sample stack and audio file.

I had tested the new iOS player with both audio and video before releasing
9.6 dp1, with both local and remote files, and had no issues.

BTW I suggest you make sure the command line tools you use are the ones of
Xcode 11.1.

What is the output of this terminal command?

xcode-select -p

Best,
Panos

On Thu, Nov 28, 2019, 22:12 Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> > =
> > Your application failed code-signing
> > check. Check your certificates,
> > provisioning profiles, and bundles ids.
> > 
>
> @Brahmanathaswami
>
> When do you get this error? When building the standalone, or when
> installing it to device?
>
> Regards,
> Panos
> --
>
> When try to install it to device, I thought worked before in 9.5.1 (rc 1)
>
> I looked over all your posts to the list and found one which suggest we
> use a iOS development profile
>
> So I made a new certificate and create a development profile, installed
> that and chose it from the SA panel.
> No go…. same error. Next I read the release note…. since XCode 10.1 was
> supported I tried that… 11.1,SDK 12.1 "green" - 10.1 SKD 12.1 now to "red"
> e.g. not accepted on mobile preferences. I went back to 11.1, and using the
> Development profile (I turned off "Beta Text") . I got the "intuition" that
> I should shut down after reboot. This time trying with the iOS development
> tool it went through and asked for a pass word to allow LC to use the
> certificate … (it is doing "sudo" in the background) I gave it my admin
> pass word and "always allows" and it installed on the phone. Yay!
>
> But to my "dismay" the mobileCreatePlayer causes the app to crash….  which
> was the whole purpose of my grade, to get audio work on iPhone 7 and 8…
>
> Anyway:
>
> If you installed Catalina. Don’t make the mistake in thinking that your
> KeyChain has been ported automatically. You should re-install your
> certificates, reboot, then things will start to work. (my guess)
>
> Meanwhile, can you post again the  terminal command for check the
> profiles. I have lost them somewhere and don't find them on the list.
>
>
> .
>
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.0 DP-1

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

> =
> Your application failed code-signing
> check. Check your certificates,
> provisioning profiles, and bundles ids.
> 

@Brahmanathaswami

When do you get this error? When building the standalone, or when
installing it to device?

Regards,
Panos
--

When try to install it to device, I thought worked before in 9.5.1 (rc 1)

I looked over all your posts to the list and found one which suggest we use a 
iOS development profile

So I made a new certificate and create a development profile, installed that 
and chose it from the SA panel.
No go…. same error. Next I read the release note…. since XCode 10.1 was 
supported I tried that… 11.1,SDK 12.1 "green" - 10.1 SKD 12.1 now to "red" e.g. 
not accepted on mobile preferences. I went back to 11.1, and using the 
Development profile (I turned off "Beta Text") . I got the "intuition" that I 
should shut down after reboot. This time trying with the iOS development tool 
it went through and asked for a pass word to allow LC to use the certificate … 
(it is doing "sudo" in the background) I gave it my admin pass word and "always 
allows" and it installed on the phone. Yay!

But to my "dismay" the mobileCreatePlayer causes the app to crash….  which was 
the whole purpose of my grade, to get audio work on iPhone 7 and 8…

Anyway:

If you installed Catalina. Don’t make the mistake in thinking that your 
KeyChain has been ported automatically. You should re-install your 
certificates, reboot, then things will start to work. (my guess)

Meanwhile, can you post again the  terminal command for check the profiles. I 
have lost them somewhere and don't find them on the list.


.

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.0 DP-1

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

@Brahmanathaswami

When do you get this error? When building the standalone, or when
installing it to device?

Regards,
Panos
--



On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 at 00:45, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The web site was getting the links from apple. This does appear to be
> malicious, but does appear to an earlier build (mod sep 29 or so)
>
>
> https://download.developer.apple.com/Developer_Tools/Xcode_11.1_GM_Seed/Xcode_11.1_GM_Seed.xip
>
> @Matthias -- this is what I get when following your route using "more"
>
>
> https://download.developer.apple.com/Developer_Tools/Xcode_11.1/Xcode_11.1.xip
>
> in any case, case, my first build I am getting
>
> =
> Your application failed code-signing
> check. Check your certificates,
> provisioning profiles, and bundles ids.
> 
> sigh…
>
>  I can't find on my hard drive Panos' terminal command for checking them
> out…
>
> I am using the same certs, profiles and bundles ID for the  app I just got
> approved for the store (1.6) in 9.5 and Xcode 10.1
>
> I try again using the 11.1  not the " Xcode_11.1_GM_Seed.xip" version.
>
> Here we go again on Apple's treadmill.  :-)
>
> BR
> Just the other day I copied an Xcode package from another computer via
> airdrop and it wouldn’t even install/extract.  It complained that it wasn’t
> from Apple.
>
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.0 DP-1

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

I meant say links at

https://xcodereleases.com/

Do NOT appear to be malicious,

https://download.developer.apple.com/Developer_Tools/Xcode_11.1_GM_Seed/Xcode_11.1_GM_Seed.xip

but are a few weeks out of date.

BR

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.0 DP-1

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

The web site was getting the links from apple. This does appear to be 
malicious, but does appear to an earlier build (mod sep 29 or so)

https://download.developer.apple.com/Developer_Tools/Xcode_11.1_GM_Seed/Xcode_11.1_GM_Seed.xip

@Matthias -- this is what I get when following your route using "more" 

https://download.developer.apple.com/Developer_Tools/Xcode_11.1/Xcode_11.1.xip

in any case, case, my first build I am getting 

=
Your application failed code-signing
check. Check your certificates,
provisioning profiles, and bundles ids.

sigh…

 I can't find on my hard drive Panos' terminal command for checking them out…

I am using the same certs, profiles and bundles ID for the  app I just got 
approved for the store (1.6) in 9.5 and Xcode 10.1

I try again using the 11.1  not the " Xcode_11.1_GM_Seed.xip" version.  

Here we go again on Apple's treadmill.  :-)

BR
Just the other day I copied an Xcode package from another computer via airdrop 
and it wouldn’t even install/extract.  It complained that it wasn’t from Apple.

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.0 DP-1

[Brian Milby via use-livecode]

Just the other day I copied an Xcode package from another computer via airdrop 
and it wouldn’t even install/extract.  It complained that it wasn’t from Apple.

Thanks,
Brian
On Nov 27, 2019, 4:05 PM -0500, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> Hello all,
> Just saw this, and I am AFK now, but I would avoid downloading Xcode from
> non-Apple websites.
>
> What Matthias said, it should be there.
>
> I will check tomorrow first thing.
>
> Cheers,
> Panos
>
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019, 20:30 Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > BR,
> >
> > to download Xcode 11.1 login into your Developer Account.
> > Then on the left pane select 'Downloads'
> > On the next page click on 'More' (it´s on the top of the page above the
> > 'Sign Out' link.
> > On the next page enter xcode 11.1 in the search field and you should be
> > able to download it.
> >
> > Matthias
> >
> > Matthias Rebbe
> >
> > free tools for Livecoders:
> > InstaMaker 
> > WinSignMaker Mac 
> >
> > > Am 27.11.2019 um 18:52 schrieb Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via
> > use-livecode  > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> > >
> > > Panos/Release notes say:
> > >
> > > - Support for building with Xcode 11.1 and the iOS 13.1 SDK has been
> > added.
> > >
> > > OK so we are behind Apple, which is probably a good thing, since they
> > appear to innovating so fast without testing…. so we don't want to enter
> > their "public beta wrestling ring" but
> > >
> > > They have pushed out Xcode 11.2.1 on the App Store
> > >
> > > and this page
> > >
> > > https://developer.apple.com/download/more/ <
> > https://developer.apple.com/download/more/>
> > >
> > > I can't find a link to Xcode 11.1
> > >
> > > Do you have one? and to command line tools we may need also?
> > >
> > > I was forced to upgrade to Catalina (Adobe issues….)
> > >
> > > This page on the dev forum is not looking good
> > >
> > > https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/124010
> > >
> > > Hold on… found a "not an Apple website" trying it now, ( but they do
> > link to Apple for the app packages)
> > >
> > > https://xcodereleases.com/
> > >
> > > BR
> > >
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.0 DP-1

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hello all,
Just saw this, and I am AFK now, but I would avoid downloading Xcode from
non-Apple websites.

What Matthias said, it should be there.

I will check tomorrow first thing.

Cheers,
Panos

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019, 20:30 Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> BR,
>
> to download Xcode 11.1 login into your Developer Account.
> Then on the left pane select 'Downloads'
> On the next page click on 'More' (it´s on the top of the page above the
> 'Sign Out' link.
> On the next page enter xcode 11.1 in the search field and you should be
> able to download it.
>
> Matthias
>
> Matthias Rebbe
>
> free tools for Livecoders:
> InstaMaker 
> WinSignMaker Mac 
>
> > Am 27.11.2019 um 18:52 schrieb Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via
> use-livecode  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> >
> > Panos/Release notes say:
> >
> > - Support for building with Xcode 11.1 and the iOS 13.1 SDK has been
> added.
> >
> > OK so we are behind Apple, which is probably a good thing, since they
> appear to innovating so fast without testing…. so we don't want to enter
> their "public beta wrestling ring"  but
> >
> > They have pushed out Xcode 11.2.1 on the App Store
> >
> > and this page
> >
> > https://developer.apple.com/download/more/ <
> https://developer.apple.com/download/more/>
> >
> > I can't find a link to Xcode 11.1
> >
> > Do you have one? and to command line tools we may need also?
> >
> > I was forced to upgrade to Catalina (Adobe issues….)
> >
> > This page on the dev forum is not looking good
> >
> > https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/124010
> >
> > Hold on… found a "not an Apple website"  trying it now, ( but they do
> link to Apple for the app packages)
> >
> > https://xcodereleases.com/
> >
> > BR
> >
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.0 DP-1

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

BR,

to download Xcode 11.1 login into your Developer Account.
Then on the left pane select 'Downloads'
On the next page click on 'More' (it´s on the top of the page above the 'Sign 
Out' link.
On the next page enter xcode 11.1 in the search field and you should be able to 
download it.

Matthias

Matthias Rebbe

free tools for Livecoders:
InstaMaker 
WinSignMaker Mac 

> Am 27.11.2019 um 18:52 schrieb Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> Panos/Release notes say:
> 
> - Support for building with Xcode 11.1 and the iOS 13.1 SDK has been added.
> 
> OK so we are behind Apple, which is probably a good thing, since they appear 
> to innovating so fast without testing…. so we don't want to enter their 
> "public beta wrestling ring"  but
> 
> They have pushed out Xcode 11.2.1 on the App Store
> 
> and this page
> 
> https://developer.apple.com/download/more/ 
> 
> 
> I can't find a link to Xcode 11.1
> 
> Do you have one? and to command line tools we may need also?
> 
> I was forced to upgrade to Catalina (Adobe issues….)
> 
> This page on the dev forum is not looking good
> 
> https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/124010
> 
> Hold on… found a "not an Apple website"  trying it now, ( but they do link to 
> Apple for the app packages)
> 
> https://xcodereleases.com/
> 
> BR
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.0 DP-1

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

Panos/Release notes say:

- Support for building with Xcode 11.1 and the iOS 13.1 SDK has been added.

OK so we are behind Apple, which is probably a good thing, since they appear to 
innovating so fast without testing…. so we don't want to enter their "public 
beta wrestling ring"  but

They have pushed out Xcode 11.2.1 on the App Store

and this page

https://developer.apple.com/download/more/

I can't find a link to Xcode 11.1

Do you have one? and to command line tools we may need also?

I was forced to upgrade to Catalina (Adobe issues….)

This page on the dev forum is not looking good

https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/124010

Hold on… found a "not an Apple website"  trying it now, ( but they do link to 
Apple for the app packages)

https://xcodereleases.com/

BR

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.0 DP-1

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

You need a bigger computer. Unfortunately it's scheduled for demolition. ;-)

Bob S


> On Nov 26, 2019, at 17:56 , Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> As with most cases of quoting numbers without any due diligence, analysis or 
> context (as is the case in the original post) - one would be wise to not 
> infer anything from it as numbers quoted in such a fashion are essentially 
> meaningless (42, anyone?).


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.0 DP-1

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

I suspect most people would prefer and be more satisfied with a situation where 
the things which were merged were of appropriate quality, traceable, 
documented, not break anything and were reasonably certain to not cause 
difficulties in the future. (The latter two criteria are hard to meet, but at 
least achieving the previous three helps mitigate that fact).

As with most cases of quoting numbers without any due diligence, analysis or 
context (as is the case in the original post) - one would be wise to not infer 
anything from it as numbers quoted in such a fashion are essentially 
meaningless (42, anyone?).

All of us try things, whether it be adding features, fixing bugs or just 
experiments in our code - the results of which never see the light of day. In 
my team’s case we have the tendency to push whatever we do publicly as a branch 
/ PR as a matter of habit (although perhaps I should re-evaluate as to whether 
it is a good habit or not!)

If we did not have that policy and instead we pushed nothing publicly until it 
was going to be merged (which does not appear to be an uncommon phenomenon 
looking askance at quite a few other large projects lurking out there); then 
you’d probably find the number of open PRs at any one time would probably be 
countable on your digits.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 26 Nov 2019, at 20:50, Richmond via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think I understand what "no longer relevant" means,
> but "stale" is unclear to me; I've always thought of something
> that has gone stale as something that someone
> should have done something with earlier but somehow 'overlooked.'
> 
> And, as to "not going to get merged," well, why isn't that feature going to 
> get
> merged? I wonder how many people are going to feel completely satisfied by
> either that classification or "stale" ?
> 
>> On 26.11.19 22:44, hh via use-livecode wrote:
>> @Mark Waddingham.
>> Good to know you are still alive.
>> 
>> LC version numbering has it's own logic, agreed -- as long as
>> it's counting up. Integers are meek as a lamb, we have enough
>> of them.
>> 
>> Nevertheless Mark Wieder made a good point with looking at the
>> pull requests.
>> 
>> If I understand correctly then you both are right:
>> At the very end it is the content that matters.
>> 
>> Now we all look forward to know which pull requests are *NOT*
>> "incomplete or WIP" and which are  *NOT*  "stale / no longer
>> relevant / not going to get merged".
>> 
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.0 DP-1

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I LOVE YOU!!! (erm... plutonically of course.)

Bob S


> On Nov 26, 2019, at 15:26 , Brian Milby via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
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> For the IDE I only have 1987 which had a conflict that I just resolved (allow 
> nesting of DG behaviors).
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.0 DP-1

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

Whatever the semantics of release numbers, what pull requests or issues remain.

You did the right thing!

MW: We felt it better to get dp-1 almost feature complete, addressing the
critical issues holding up people's apps first before lumping a lot of
fixes from all over the place. The latter always risks a greater
increase in the possibility of regressions and thus potential for a
largely unusable build.

thank you to staying on the key priorities.

Hopefully 9.6 will work on iPhone 8!

Brahmanathaswami
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.0 DP-1

[Brian Milby via use-livecode]

I have a couple and at least one is directly targeted at mobile (7154).  6404 
is Vulcan reviewed but not yet merged (and is the oldest one I have 
outstanding).  Both are widget updates.

For the IDE I only have 1987 which had a conflict that I just resolved (allow 
nesting of DG behaviors).

Thanks,
Brian
On Nov 26, 2019, 3:45 PM -0500, hh via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> @Mark Waddingham.
> Good to know you are still alive.
>
> LC version numbering has it's own logic, agreed -- as long as
> it's counting up. Integers are meek as a lamb, we have enough
> of them.
>
> Nevertheless Mark Wieder made a good point with looking at the
> pull requests.
>
> If I understand correctly then you both are right:
> At the very end it is the content that matters.
>
> Now we all look forward to know which pull requests are *NOT*
> "incomplete or WIP" and which are *NOT* "stale / no longer
> relevant / not going to get merged".
>
>
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.0 DP-1

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Round these parts quite a few of us have our own logic, so I wouldn't
get fussed about the numbering . . .

I'm actually looking forward to fiddling around with the new release 
over the weekend,

and building the new "PDF bits" into my Devawriter Pro: Thanks in advance!

On 26.11.19 22:44, hh via use-livecode wrote:

@Mark Waddingham.
Good to know you are still alive.

LC version numbering has it's own logic, agreed -- as long as
it's counting up. Integers are meek as a lamb, we have enough
of them.

Nevertheless Mark Wieder made a good point with looking at the
pull requests.

If I understand correctly then you both are right:
At the very end it is the content that matters.

Now we all look forward to know which pull requests are *NOT*
"incomplete or WIP" and which are  *NOT*  "stale / no longer
relevant / not going to get merged".


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.0 DP-1

[Richmond via use-livecode]

I think I understand what "no longer relevant" means,
but "stale" is unclear to me; I've always thought of something
that has gone stale as something that someone
should have done something with earlier but somehow 'overlooked.'

And, as to "not going to get merged," well, why isn't that feature going 
to get

merged? I wonder how many people are going to feel completely satisfied by
either that classification or "stale" ?

On 26.11.19 22:44, hh via use-livecode wrote:

@Mark Waddingham.
Good to know you are still alive.

LC version numbering has it's own logic, agreed -- as long as
it's counting up. Integers are meek as a lamb, we have enough
of them.

Nevertheless Mark Wieder made a good point with looking at the
pull requests.

If I understand correctly then you both are right:
At the very end it is the content that matters.

Now we all look forward to know which pull requests are *NOT*
"incomplete or WIP" and which are  *NOT*  "stale / no longer
relevant / not going to get merged".


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.0 DP-1

[hh via use-livecode]

@Mark Waddingham.
Good to know you are still alive.

LC version numbering has it's own logic, agreed -- as long as
it's counting up. Integers are meek as a lamb, we have enough
of them.

Nevertheless Mark Wieder made a good point with looking at the
pull requests.

If I understand correctly then you both are right:
At the very end it is the content that matters.

Now we all look forward to know which pull requests are *NOT*
"incomplete or WIP" and which are  *NOT*  "stale / no longer
relevant / not going to get merged".


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.0 DP-1

[Richmond via use-livecode]

If I had written that there would be people queueing at the airport to
come over to Bulgaria and surgically remove my, erm, "ears."

Well done, Mr Wieder.

On 26.11.19 19:51, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

On 11/26/19 1:58 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.0 DP-1.


Really?
A major point release while still in the queue there are

186 pull requests for the engine (dating back to 2014)
42 pull requests for the IDE (dating back to 2016)




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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.0 DP-1

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 11/26/19 10:34 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

Its not a major point release, its a minor point release a la semantic 
versioning (https://semver.org/) - major.minor.maintenance.


OK. I don't want to get into arguing semantics.
But there are now several active (?) streams.
LC 8.2.0 is still at a DP2 build
I take it that the 8.x series is a dead end?

LC 9.0.x is at a stable 9.0.5 build.
Is that the end of 9.0?

LC 9.5.1 is at the RC1 stage, and has been for three weeks
In LC history that's pretty long for an RC release to lay stagnant.
Is there going to be a stable LC 9.5 release or is development now going 
towards 9.6?


LC 9.6.0 is newly at DP1
And I take it that this is the wave of the future and why building from 
source announces itself as 9.6.


It contains a number of changes which are definitely not suitable for a 
maintenance release (as they add or change functionality) but are 
critical to quite a number of people's apps (iOS player issues, in 
particular; but also some android issues too) [ otherwise they would 
have been in a 9.5.2! ]


Yes, this feels subjectively to me like a 9.5.2 release. Again, I don't 
want to argue naming semantics, but the 9.0->9.5 jump was a major 
change, and this doesn't feel like that kind of leap to me. I'm glad the 
problems were fixed, I just expected more from the build level.



(which is something for when I have a 'spare' afternoon).


Heh.

We felt it better to get dp-1 almost feature complete, addressing the 
critical issues holding up people's apps first before lumping a lot of 
fixes from all over the place. The latter always risks a greater 
increase in the possibility of regressions and thus potential for a 
largely unusable build.


No argument there.
OK - I'm not going to get anywhere by pushing this point further, so I'm 
gonna shut up and get back to working on things.


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.0 DP-1

[JJS via use-livecode]

Well i'm happy at least PDF printing is a step in the right direction.

Via html and opening in a browser one could get to pdf / print on paper, 
so we can skip that.


Hopefully printing on paper will be a next step on Android.


Thanks a lot!


Jerry

Op 26-11-2019 om 19:34 schreef Mark Waddingham via use-livecode:

On 2019-11-26 17:51, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

On 11/26/19 1:58 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.0 DP-1.


Really?
A major point release while still in the queue there are

186 pull requests for the engine (dating back to 2014)
42 pull requests for the IDE (dating back to 2016)


Its not a major point release, its a minor point release a la semantic 
versioning (https://semver.org/) - major.minor.maintenance.


It contains a number of changes which are definitely not suitable for 
a maintenance release (as they add or change functionality) but are 
critical to quite a number of people's apps (iOS player issues, in 
particular; but also some android issues too) [ otherwise they would 
have been in a 9.5.2! ]


[ Note: We do sometimes change functionality in a backwards 
incompatible fashion in minor point releases so we aren't strictly 
semver - but only if it is focused in specific areas - in this case, 
we had to remove some features from the mobile player control as we 
could not replicate them with the replacement OS APIs, and we had to 
tweak how you setup the camera control to stop iOS complaining about 
permissions. ]


At least 100 of the engine pull requests are either incomplete (no 
release note yet, no issue filed yet, no docs updates yet etc.) or WIP 
so are not mergeable as they stand. Probably half of the remainder are 
probably stale/no longer relevant/not going to get merged - so they 
probably could do with a cull (which is something for when I have a 
'spare' afternoon).


The IDE PRs (after a very brief perusal) look like about half are not 
yet complete and a few are WIP so not too dissimilar % wise.


We felt it better to get dp-1 almost feature complete, addressing the 
critical issues holding up people's apps first before lumping a lot of 
fixes from all over the place. The latter always risks a greater 
increase in the possibility of regressions and thus potential for a 
largely unusable build.


We're planning to get at least 20 further bugfixes merged for dp-2, 
and how many more than that depends on how testing goes, regression 
reports go and how much time we have before christmas :)


Warmest Regards,

Mark.



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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.0 DP-1

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

On 2019-11-26 17:51, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

On 11/26/19 1:58 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.0 DP-1.


Really?
A major point release while still in the queue there are

186 pull requests for the engine (dating back to 2014)
42 pull requests for the IDE (dating back to 2016)


Its not a major point release, its a minor point release a la semantic 
versioning (https://semver.org/) - major.minor.maintenance.


It contains a number of changes which are definitely not suitable for a 
maintenance release (as they add or change functionality) but are 
critical to quite a number of people's apps (iOS player issues, in 
particular; but also some android issues too) [ otherwise they would 
have been in a 9.5.2! ]


[ Note: We do sometimes change functionality in a backwards incompatible 
fashion in minor point releases so we aren't strictly semver - but only 
if it is focused in specific areas - in this case, we had to remove some 
features from the mobile player control as we could not replicate them 
with the replacement OS APIs, and we had to tweak how you setup the 
camera control to stop iOS complaining about permissions. ]


At least 100 of the engine pull requests are either incomplete (no 
release note yet, no issue filed yet, no docs updates yet etc.) or WIP 
so are not mergeable as they stand. Probably half of the remainder are 
probably stale/no longer relevant/not going to get merged - so they 
probably could do with a cull (which is something for when I have a 
'spare' afternoon).


The IDE PRs (after a very brief perusal) look like about half are not 
yet complete and a few are WIP so not too dissimilar % wise.


We felt it better to get dp-1 almost feature complete, addressing the 
critical issues holding up people's apps first before lumping a lot of 
fixes from all over the place. The latter always risks a greater 
increase in the possibility of regressions and thus potential for a 
largely unusable build.


We're planning to get at least 20 further bugfixes merged for dp-2, and 
how many more than that depends on how testing goes, regression reports 
go and how much time we have before christmas :)


Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.0 DP-1

[hh via use-livecode]

> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.0 DP-1.

> Mark Wieder wrote:
> Really?
> A major point release while still in the queue there are
> 
> 186 pull requests for the engine (dating back to 2014)
> 42 pull requests for the IDE (dating back to 2016)

Good point, perhaps the major point principle has lost its
meaning already with 9.5.0 (compared to 9.0.5)?

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.6.0 DP-1

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 11/26/19 1:58 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.0 DP-1.


Really?
A major point release while still in the queue there are

186 pull requests for the engine (dating back to 2014)
42 pull requests for the IDE (dating back to 2016)

--
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 ahsoftw...@gmail.com

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[ANN] Release 9.6.0 DP-1

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.6.0 DP-1.

Developer Preview Release
=
Warning: this is not a stable release.  Please ensure that you back up your
stacks before testing them.


Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents

LiveCode 9.6.0 DP-1 comes with more than 20 bugfixes.

In addition, LiveCode 9.6.0 DP-1 includes several amazing new features:

- The mobile player control has been updated to use the AVKit framework on
iOS. This fixes a lot of existing bugs, including some new issues on iOS
13+ devices.
- The mobile browser control has been updated to use the WebKit framework
on iOS. This provides better performance on iOS devices.
- The "open printing to pdf ..." command can now be used to direct printing
to a PDF output file on Android devices.
- Support for building with Xcode 11.1 and the iOS 13.1 SDK has been added.
- New tsNet build with support for iOS 13+ is included.
- New CEF build is included, which addresses rendering issues with the
browser widget in some 32bit Windows devices.


Known issues


- This build (for Mac) is not notarized yet, so if your Mac is running
MacOS Catalina (10.15.x) you will get a warning dialog saying that the app
cannot be opened. In this case, you have to whitelist LiveCode in the
System Settings -> Security and Privacy, and then right-click on LiveCode
and choose "Open" from the contextual menu. Just double-clicking to open it
will not work. Note that you'll only need to do this once, the very first
time you open LiveCode 9.6 DP-1. For more details and instructions see here:

https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT202491

- The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
Cinnamon window manager.
- The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
yet.

The full release notes are available from:

http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_6_0/LiveCodeNotes-9_6_0_dp_1.pdf


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
http://quality.livecode.com/

We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93

Have fun!
The LiveCode Team
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