Re: [Bulk] Re: Open Livecode Login

2013-04-11 Thread Richmond

On 12/04/13 08:53, Dave McKee wrote:

You just never happy are you ?

Hodie Non Cras

On 2013-04-12, at 1:38 AM, Richmond  wrote:


On 12/04/13 00:38, David C. wrote:

Richmond, did you possibly overlook my earlier message from the release
notes that state:

"Alternatively it is possible to activate the product via the use of a
specially encrypted license file.
These will be available for download from the customer center after logging
into your account. This
method will allow the product to be installed on machines that do not have
access to the internet."

...all you need to do is download the file one time and use it with however
many machines you wish, with or without an internet connection. Seems
pretty simple from my end...

It is dead simple, but that is not the point, and anybody who has done any 
reading
and thinking about what constitutes Open Source software will be aware that
the point is about freedom, pace Hairy Stallman et al.

Once we drag in online registration and licenses I get a funny feeling that 
that maybe
the thin end of a wedge which begins to push us away from the concept of Open 
Source software.


Regards,
David C.

This is the first time I have encountered Open Source software that require
any sort of licence . . .

. . . and the things that make me feel a bit queasy are these:

1. Tracking by RunRev.

2. If I make a fork / mod its distribution could also be tracked.

Not, I hesitate to add, that I have all that much to hide, but this begins
to look like the British government's surveillance of everybody and the
excuse that as we have nothing to hide we shouldn't protest against
blatant violations of privacy.

3. "specially encrypted license file"; why on earth is that necessary?

Doesn't seem necessary with either GIMP or FONTFORGE, my 2 favourite
Open Source weapons of choice.

Richmond.


I think that every company needs a gadfly; a role I have happily played 
with RunRev for coming on for 12 years,
and after a few initial hiccups, they know full well that I am one of 
their greatest fans.


I also know that by pushing something to its extreme it is often 
comparatively easy to see where the cracks are

in a system (c.f stress testing).

I am not, take note, using inflammatory phrasing like somebody who wrote 
something about $50 and being "pissed off".


For $50 they did very well I would say!

I have "no beef" with LC OSS from a personal point of view, and the 
"phone-home" is a bother (only because it seems

to be a bit dicky and takes time) but is neither here nor there.

But whether the phone-home and licensing fits into the OSS model is 
another question altogether, and I don't see

what is wrong with pointing out the possible problems connected with that.

Richmond.

Oh, and by the way; it's a lovely sunny day here and I'm going out onto 
the balcony with a cup of coffee to listen

to the birds singing.


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Re: [Bulk] Re: Open Livecode Login

2013-04-11 Thread Dave McKee
You just never happy are you ?

Hodie Non Cras

On 2013-04-12, at 1:38 AM, Richmond  wrote:

> On 12/04/13 00:38, David C. wrote:
>> Richmond, did you possibly overlook my earlier message from the release
>> notes that state:
>> 
>> "Alternatively it is possible to activate the product via the use of a
>> specially encrypted license file.
>> These will be available for download from the customer center after logging
>> into your account. This
>> method will allow the product to be installed on machines that do not have
>> access to the internet."
>> 
>> ...all you need to do is download the file one time and use it with however
>> many machines you wish, with or without an internet connection. Seems
>> pretty simple from my end...
> 
> It is dead simple, but that is not the point, and anybody who has done any 
> reading
> and thinking about what constitutes Open Source software will be aware that
> the point is about freedom, pace Hairy Stallman et al.
> 
> Once we drag in online registration and licenses I get a funny feeling that 
> that maybe
> the thin end of a wedge which begins to push us away from the concept of Open 
> Source software.
> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> David C.
> 
> This is the first time I have encountered Open Source software that require
> any sort of licence . . .
> 
> . . . and the things that make me feel a bit queasy are these:
> 
> 1. Tracking by RunRev.
> 
> 2. If I make a fork / mod its distribution could also be tracked.
> 
> Not, I hesitate to add, that I have all that much to hide, but this begins
> to look like the British government's surveillance of everybody and the
> excuse that as we have nothing to hide we shouldn't protest against
> blatant violations of privacy.
> 
> 3. "specially encrypted license file"; why on earth is that necessary?
> 
> Doesn't seem necessary with either GIMP or FONTFORGE, my 2 favourite
> Open Source weapons of choice.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
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