Re: 9.5 DP 1 Unadorned - LayerMode - Container

[Trevor DeVore via use-livecode]

Just apply the shadow or gradient to an object other than the DataGrid
group itself.

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On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 10:52 PM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via
use-livecode  wrote:

> Wow, thanks Trevor for the R & D!
>
> That makes for "pretty plain" Datagrid2 forms. I understand the reasons
> behind it. But making "gorgeous" UI that scrolls then is not possible.
>
>  I am developing youTube library that use Datagrid. So it seems we will
> have to sacrifice scrolling to get a shadow on the forms, or a gradient on
> the graphic behind each form.
>
> OR
>
> get it scrolling smoothly but, it will have a "utilitarian" look and feel.
> But users are looking navigation,  not eye-candy. But our design team will
> be "pained" by such a choice. I guess we can dress up to the card and
> static layers..
>
> We shall see
>
>  I will pursue "dictionary" one the other thread. (R.H. "Dictionary")
>
> On 5/23/19, 6:59 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Trevor DeVore via
> use-livecode"  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> I just did a quick test involving going through the property inspector
> for
> a group and changing properties. I have confirmed that the following
> properties will cause a group that is assigned the layerMode of
> "container"
> to have an effective layerMode of  "static":
>
> - opaque
> - showBorder
> - showname
> - hscrollbar/vscrollbar
> - dropShadow, innderShadow, outerGlow, innerGlow, and colorOverlay
>
> In addition, the acceleratedRendering of the stack must be true or the
> group will always have an effective layermode of "static".
>
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Re: 9.5 DP 1 Unadorned - LayerMode - Container

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

Wow, thanks Trevor for the R & D!

That makes for "pretty plain" Datagrid2 forms. I understand the reasons behind 
it. But making "gorgeous" UI that scrolls then is not possible.

 I am developing youTube library that use Datagrid. So it seems we will have to 
sacrifice scrolling to get a shadow on the forms, or a gradient on the graphic 
behind each form. 

OR 

get it scrolling smoothly but, it will have a "utilitarian" look and feel. But 
users are looking navigation,  not eye-candy. But our design team will be 
"pained" by such a choice. I guess we can dress up to the card and static 
layers..

We shall see

 I will pursue "dictionary" one the other thread. (R.H. "Dictionary")

On 5/23/19, 6:59 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Trevor DeVore via 
use-livecode"  wrote:

I just did a quick test involving going through the property inspector for
a group and changing properties. I have confirmed that the following
properties will cause a group that is assigned the layerMode of "container"
to have an effective layerMode of  "static":

- opaque
- showBorder
- showname
- hscrollbar/vscrollbar
- dropShadow, innderShadow, outerGlow, innerGlow, and colorOverlay

In addition, the acceleratedRendering of the stack must be true or the
group will always have an effective layermode of "static".

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Re: 9.5 DP 1 Unadorned - LayerMode - Container

[Trevor DeVore via use-livecode]

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:10 AM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 5/23/19 8:39 AM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:
> >
> >> On 23 May 2019, at 8:01 am, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 7:30 AM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via
> use-livecode
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> 9.5 looks exciting.
> >>>
> >>> But we need a "lexicon"  (or Kognition) for the dictionary.
> >>> It is still written in "deep-in-the-engine-jungle-geek-speak"
> >>>
> >>> For us lay people, we need a few more words. E.g.
> >>>
> >>> layerMode
> >>>
> >>> What does "unadorned"  mean?
> >>
> >> My understanding is that the group must have showborder set to false and
> >> opaque set to false.
> >
> > Also no graphic effects, blendMode etc.
>
> Also no label. I wasn't aware opacity mattered.
>

I just did a quick test involving going through the property inspector for
a group and changing properties. I have confirmed that the following
properties will cause a group that is assigned the layerMode of "container"
to have an effective layerMode of  "static":

- opaque
- showBorder
- showname
- hscrollbar/vscrollbar
- dropShadow, innderShadow, outerGlow, innerGlow, and colorOverlay

In addition, the acceleratedRendering of the stack must be true or the
group will always have an effective layermode of "static".

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Re: 9.5 DP 1 Unadorned - LayerMode - Container

[Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode]

Sounds like a lot of guesswork going on. Brahm is right, it needs
documenting with full clarity.

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital Productions Ltd*

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On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 17:10, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 5/23/19 8:39 AM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On 23 May 2019, at 8:01 am, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 7:30 AM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via
> use-livecode
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> 9.5 looks exciting.
> >>>
> >>> But we need a "lexicon"  (or Kognition) for the dictionary.
> >>> It is still written in "deep-in-the-engine-jungle-geek-speak"
> >>>
> >>> For us lay people, we need a few more words. E.g.
> >>>
> >>> layerMode
> >>>
> >>> What does "unadorned"  mean?
> >>
> >>
> >> My understanding is that the group must have showborder set to false and
> >> opaque set to false.
> >>
> >
> > Also no graphic effects, blendMode etc.
>
> Also no label. I wasn't aware opacity mattered.
>
> --
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> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Re: 9.5 DP 1 Unadorned - LayerMode - Container

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 5/23/19 8:39 AM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:




On 23 May 2019, at 8:01 am, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode 
 wrote:

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 7:30 AM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
 wrote:


9.5 looks exciting.

But we need a "lexicon"  (or Kognition) for the dictionary.
It is still written in "deep-in-the-engine-jungle-geek-speak"

For us lay people, we need a few more words. E.g.

layerMode

What does "unadorned"  mean?



My understanding is that the group must have showborder set to false and
opaque set to false.



Also no graphic effects, blendMode etc.


Also no label. I wasn't aware opacity mattered.

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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com

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Re: 9.5 DP 1 Unadorned - LayerMode - Container

[Trevor DeVore via use-livecode]

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 10:39 AM Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> > On 23 May 2019, at 8:01 am, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 7:30 AM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via
> use-livecode
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> 9.5 looks exciting.
> >>
> >> But we need a "lexicon"  (or Kognition) for the dictionary.
> >> It is still written in "deep-in-the-engine-jungle-geek-speak"
> >>
> >> For us lay people, we need a few more words. E.g.
> >>
> >> layerMode
> >>
> >> What does "unadorned"  mean?
> >
> >
> > My understanding is that the group must have showborder set to false and
> > opaque set to false.
> >
>
> Also no graphic effects, blendMode etc.
>

And the way to verify that the group is actually working in "container"
mode is to check `the effective layermode` of the group. If it isn't
"container" then you have a setting that is incorrect.

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Re: 9.5 DP 1 Unadorned - LayerMode - Container

[Monte Goulding via use-livecode]

> On 23 May 2019, at 8:01 am, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 7:30 AM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
>  wrote:
> 
>> 9.5 looks exciting.
>> 
>> But we need a "lexicon"  (or Kognition) for the dictionary.
>> It is still written in "deep-in-the-engine-jungle-geek-speak"
>> 
>> For us lay people, we need a few more words. E.g.
>> 
>> layerMode
>> 
>> What does "unadorned"  mean?
> 
> 
> My understanding is that the group must have showborder set to false and
> opaque set to false.
> 

Also no graphic effects, blendMode etc.

Cheers

Monte


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Re: 9.5 DP 1 Unadorned - LayerMode - Container

[Trevor DeVore via use-livecode]

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 7:30 AM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
 wrote:

> 9.5 looks exciting.
>
> But we need a "lexicon"  (or Kognition) for the dictionary.
> It is still written in "deep-in-the-engine-jungle-geek-speak"
>
> For us lay people, we need a few more words. E.g.
>
> layerMode
>
> What does "unadorned"  mean?


My understanding is that the group must have showborder set to false and
opaque set to false.

-- 
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9.5 DP 1 Unadorned - LayerMode - Container

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

9.5 looks exciting.

But we need a "lexicon"  (or Kognition) for the dictionary.
It is still written in "deep-in-the-engine-jungle-geek-speak"

For us lay people, we need a few more words. E.g.

layerMode 

What does "unadorned"  mean?
One could make an intuitive guess: 

"having no special graphic effects applied"  ??

Anything else? A dictionary should not require intuitive guessing, not if you 
want rapid adoption by newbies: it should be transparent as possible

Anyway, kudos for the team. I can't wait to use containMode after I get my head 
around Mark's talk... 

BR

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