Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-07 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 09/06/2018 11:14 PM, James At The Hale via use-livecode wrote:

Richard asks re the new extension store..

When?


Well its initial offering is already here, see Jacque’s posts.

As for when it will offer what was promised...probably sometime after Infinite 
Livecode has delivered the components and examples it promised or after 
DataGrid 2 is complete and delivered.

Not holding my breathe.


Yeah.
See my post about the hard crash.

I do see a 'store' of sorts on the website 
(https://livecode.com/extensions/) is that what you're referring to? 
That seems to be just a place to sell things. There's no apparent way to 
upload extensions and no similar link on the livecode.org site. No hint 
of community involvement.


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Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-07 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 09/06/2018 09:02 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:


Actually, it's also in the Tools menu -> Extension manager.



Interesting.
The Widgets and Libraries tabs show what's in my system already.
The Store tab briefly says "loading LiveCode extensions store" and then...

on osx just shows me a blank panel - no content

on linux, totally crashes LC after launching two more processes that 
have to be forceably kill-9ed. Don't try this at home.


https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21573

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Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-07 Thread Devin Asay via use-livecode

On Sep 6, 2018, at 9:56 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

You have to open the LC tools palette occasionally. ;) At the top is a big plus 
sign. Clicking that opens a stack/window much as Sample Stacks does. A tabbed 
interface gives access to a number of Libraries, Widgets, and the Store (which 
is barely populated.)

Hey, I just noticed you can hide and show individual widgets from the Widgets 
tab in the Extensions Manager. Click the down arrow next to the widget and it’s 
one of the options. I’m probably the last one to notice that.

Devin


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Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-06 Thread James At The Hale via use-livecode
Richard asks re the new extension store..
> When?

Well its initial offering is already here, see Jacque’s posts.

As for when it will offer what was promised...probably sometime after Infinite 
Livecode has delivered the components and examples it promised or after 
DataGrid 2 is complete and delivered. 

Not holding my breathe.

James

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Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-06 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 9/6/18 9:02 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
>> On 09/06/2018 06:08 PM, James At The Hale via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Mark asked:
 There's a new extension store on the way?
>>>
>>> Well it is here already. Only it currently only offers widgets.
...
>> Did I miss an announcement? Do you have a link?
>
> You have to open the LC tools palette occasionally. ;)

Of course.  At least once a month I find some rare need for something 
not already in my streamlined tools. ;)


How often does one need an analog clock?  I can't imagine I'll ever 
build my own UI for that, so my tools keep the IDE's tools palette just 
a quick click away for the times when it's useful.  They offer 
completeness, devo offers awareness of priorities.  Best tool for the 
job at hand, and devo keeps everything more easily accessible than the 
IDE itself so I don't have to choose, I have it all.



> At the top is a big plus sign. Clicking that opens a stack/window much
> as Sample Stacks does. A tabbed interface gives access to a number of
> Libraries, Widgets, and the Store (which is barely populated.)

Curious.  For all the things in the LC universe it would never have 
occurred to me that they'd bet the farm of the community repository, the 
cornerstone of development languages so folks can find the 10,000 wheels 
we don't need to reinvent, on the odd chance that someone might click an 
unlabeled icon of an arithmetic symbol in the corner of a temporal 
utility window.


Surely it's also in the Tools menu and at the Web site, yes?


> I don't know how to get our own contributions there.

Ah, it appears to be quite something else.  This is still the same 
LCB-specific subset we've had for several versions.


It is very separate from everything else in our community, the stuff we 
share so often here and elsewhere in a hundred different place, all the 
LC Script snippets, stacks, externals, templates, examples, and 
libraries.  And it offers no integration with Github or other 
repositories widely used in our community, as the community-built tool 
was proposed to do.


Even the LCB-specific collection that's there has incomplete metadata. 
For example, picking one at random I'm looking at a widget named "Circle 
Progress", where its license type is listed as "community".   There is 
no common license by that name; few can know what that means.  If they 
mean the license used by the LC Community Edition, that would be 
"GPLv3", a name immediately recognizable by those noting the license 
type.  If there is indeed some non-standard license the author calls 
"community", we'll need the license text there to know if the terms 
allow us to use it in our work.


It seems this Builder-specific collection and revOnline/Share this 
Stack/Sample Stacks/livecodeshare are both legacy projects of specific 
scope; the repo Kevin discussed in Nov 2016 sounded like something more 
comprehensive to handle the full scope of sharing needs.


I look forward to seeing how they integrate the two into a single 
solution, and hopefully a date when that is expected to be available.


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Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-06 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode

On 9/6/18 10:56 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:

On 9/6/18 9:02 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

On 09/06/2018 06:08 PM, James At The Hale via use-livecode wrote:

Mark asked:

There's a new extension store on the way?



Well it is here already. Only it currently only offers widgets.
The plan, as presented in one of the LC Globals a while back, is for 
this to be a one stop shop for all.
The current livecodeshare will be migrated across and the ability to 
upload snippets etc will be added.


Did I miss an announcement? Do you have a link?



You have to open the LC tools palette occasionally. ;) At the top is a 
big plus sign. Clicking that opens a stack/window much as Sample Stacks 
does. A tabbed interface gives access to a number of Libraries, Widgets, 
and the Store (which is barely populated.)


I don't know how to get our own contributions there.



Actually, it's also in the Tools menu -> Extension manager.

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Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-06 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode

On 9/6/18 9:02 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

On 09/06/2018 06:08 PM, James At The Hale via use-livecode wrote:

Mark asked:

There's a new extension store on the way?



Well it is here already. Only it currently only offers widgets.
The plan, as presented in one of the LC Globals a while back, is for 
this to be a one stop shop for all.
The current livecodeshare will be migrated across and the ability to 
upload snippets etc will be added.


Did I miss an announcement? Do you have a link?



You have to open the LC tools palette occasionally. ;) At the top is a 
big plus sign. Clicking that opens a stack/window much as Sample Stacks 
does. A tabbed interface gives access to a number of Libraries, Widgets, 
and the Store (which is barely populated.)


I don't know how to get our own contributions there.

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Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-06 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 09/06/2018 06:08 PM, James At The Hale via use-livecode wrote:

Mark asked:

There's a new extension store on the way?



Well it is here already. Only it currently only offers widgets.
The plan, as presented in one of the LC Globals a while back, is for this to be 
a one stop shop for all.
The current livecodeshare will be migrated across and the ability to upload 
snippets etc will be added.


Did I miss an announcement? Do you have a link?

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Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-06 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

James At The Hale wrote:

> The plan, as presented in one of the LC Globals a while back, is for
> this to be a one stop shop for all.
> The current livecodeshare will be migrated across and the ability to
> upload snippets etc will be added.

When?

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Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-06 Thread James At The Hale via use-livecode
Mark asked:
> There's a new extension store on the way?


Well it is here already. Only it currently only offers widgets.
The plan, as presented in one of the LC Globals a while back, is for this to be 
a one stop shop for all.
The current livecodeshare will be migrated across and the ability to upload 
snippets etc will be added.

James

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Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-06 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 09/06/2018 03:12 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

James At The Hale wrote:
 > Richard wrote of a repository but isn’t this what the new extension
 > store is supposed to provide?

I haven't seen an announcement of a new extension store, but if it 
includes widgets, libraries, externals, scripts, and stack files and is 
searchable by type, license, and price, for everything we share in our 
community, both commercial and no charge, and both proprietary and open 
source, then yes, that would be what we need.


There's a new extension store on the way?

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Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-06 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

James At The Hale wrote:
> Richard wrote of a repository but isn’t this what the new extension
> store is supposed to provide?

I haven't seen an announcement of a new extension store, but if it 
includes widgets, libraries, externals, scripts, and stack files and is 
searchable by type, license, and price, for everything we share in our 
community, both commercial and no charge, and both proprietary and open 
source, then yes, that would be what we need.


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Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-06 Thread James At The Hale via use-livecode
Richard wrote of a repository but isn’t this what the new extension store is 
supposed to provide?


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Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-06 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
J. Landman Gay wrote:

> We can upload zip files to Sample Stacks? If that's the case then
> I think the existing repository could work for now. Libraries,
> script-only stacks, externals, LCB files could all be accommodated.
> If something else is developed later, the files could be moved or
> linked to.

Yes, it's quite adequate.  But it needs a name. One name.  As Mark
Wieder reminded us:

1. the menubar item says "Share this stack"
2. the Login dialog says "revOnline"
3. when you log in, the next window says "Sample Stacks"
4. the website is "livecodeshare"

A little UI touch-up and it could certainly get us through for a while.

So many things can be quite simplified with small but valuable attention
to UI details.

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Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-05 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
On September 5, 2018 10:34:40 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
 wrote:


The last time I was keen on this I stopped pursuing it based on this post:

http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2016-November/232864.html


We can upload zip files to Sample Stacks? If that's the case then I think 
the existing repository could work for now. Libraries, script-only stacks, 
externals, LCB files could all be accommodated. If something else is 
developed later, the files could be moved or linked to.


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Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-05 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Mark Wieder wrote:
> It still bugs me that:
> 
> 1. the menubar item says "Share this stack"
> 2. the Login dialog says "revOnline"
> 3. when you log in, the next window says "Sample Stacks"
> 4. the website is "livecodeshare"

Several times over the last decade I've discussed with the team the
possibility of creating a community-managed repo, like Python, Perl, and
other languages have.  This is quite achievable as a community project,
and would free up resources within LC Ltd.

Of course for such an effort to be worthwhile it needs the blessing of
the mother ship.  There should be one repo, and no one wants to put many
hours of work into something the company might later displace with their
own.

The last time I was keen on this I stopped pursuing it based on this post:

http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2016-November/232864.html

That was quite a while ago.  I've resisted drawing attention to it since
then because I kept hearing it's still in progress but needs more time,
and I see no value in creating any suggestion of controversy over things
we all experience like fluctuating priorities and shifting deadlines.

That said, it has been a while, and the value of one centralized
repository for all LC add-ons has not diminished.

I believe it's time for the community and the company to come together
with a solid, actionable plan for a single repo that will exist by a
knowable date.  With one name.  And only one name. :)

This needn't require any development resources from the company, but
would at a minimum require that they respect the effort, link to it, and
not displace it.

This seems valuable for everyone.

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Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-05 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 09/04/2018 08:27 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:


Yeah. Grab it again. It's fixed now.


except the embarrasing "checkbox-group". 8-)


/sigh
That updating-a-shared-stack thing is far from intuitive.
Must have missed a step along the way.
The corrected version is now uploaded.

It still bugs me that:

1. the menubar item says "Share this stack"
2. the Login dialog says "revOnline"
3. when you log in, the next window says "Sample Stacks"
4. the website is "livecodeshare"

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Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-04 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
As usual, I posted, THEN read the thread. :-)

Bob S


> On Sep 4, 2018, at 08:19 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 09/04/2018 08:12 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> Handy, but it didn't quite work correctly. I selected all but the 9.0.1 rc1, 
>> and tried to uncheck confirm, but it confirmed anyway, and deleted 
>> everything but the first 8. I had to do multiple passes before I got them 
>> all.
>> Clicking the confirmation checkbox did not unhilite the button, but rather 
>> showed and hid a green checkmark icon.
> 
> Yeah. Grab it again. It's fixed now.
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Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-04 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode

On 9/3/18 9:08 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

My bad - I actually uploaded an earlier version


Nah, your good. This is really useful, and the error was trivial. You 
also have to be credited with finding those files that most of us didn't 
know existed. I can't believe the cruft my drive accumulated, and Time 
Machine was faithfully duplicating all of it -- which is probably one 
reason I had to buy a second backup drive. Kudos on you.


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Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-04 Thread Klaus major-k via use-livecode
Hi Mark,

> Am 04.09.2018 um 17:19 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> On 09/04/2018 08:12 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> Handy, but it didn't quite work correctly. I selected all but the 9.0.1 rc1, 
>> and tried to uncheck confirm, but it confirmed anyway, and deleted 
>> everything but the first 8. I had to do multiple passes before I got them 
>> all.
>> Clicking the confirmation checkbox did not unhilite the button, but rather 
>> showed and hid a green checkmark icon.
> Yeah. Grab it again. It's fixed now.

except the embarrasing "checkbox-group". 8-)

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Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-04 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 09/04/2018 08:12 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

Handy, but it didn't quite work correctly. I selected all but the 9.0.1 rc1, 
and tried to uncheck confirm, but it confirmed anyway, and deleted everything 
but the first 8. I had to do multiple passes before I got them all.

Clicking the confirmation checkbox did not unhilite the button, but rather 
showed and hid a green checkmark icon.


Yeah. Grab it again. It's fixed now.

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Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-04 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Handy, but it didn't quite work correctly. I selected all but the 9.0.1 rc1, 
and tried to uncheck confirm, but it confirmed anyway, and deleted everything 
but the first 8. I had to do multiple passes before I got them all. 

Clicking the confirmation checkbox did not unhilite the button, but rather 
showed and hid a green checkmark icon. 

Bob S


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Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-03 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 09/03/2018 04:35 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
I found it, simple oversight I think. The mouseUp in the button doesn't 
set the hilite. Easy to fix.


My bad - I actually uploaded an earlier version (and it explicitly set 
the hilite to true. New fixed version uploaded now. In my defense... 
well, I don't really have a defense: this was slapped together in about 
a half-hour of programming, and I should know better.


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Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-03 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
I found it, simple oversight I think. The mouseUp in the button doesn't set 
the hilite. Easy to fix.

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On September 3, 2018 5:38:06 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
 wrote:



On 09/03/2018 01:56 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:


Maybe run it on a Mac, I wasn't able to unhilite the verify button.

Well, that's distressing. I did try it on osx before releasing it, but
I'll go back and check it again - may have skipped a version.

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Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-03 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 09/03/2018 01:56 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:

Maybe run it on a Mac, I wasn't able to unhilite the verify button. 
Well, that's distressing. I did try it on osx before releasing it, but 
I'll go back and check it again - may have skipped a version.


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Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-03 Thread Jim Lambert via use-livecode
Mark,

Very handy!

Thanks,
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Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-03 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode

On 9/2/18 1:21 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

Posted a utility stack to livecodeshare:

When first launched, the LiveCode IDE will build a documentation cache 
for the current version. When you upgrade to a new version, a new cache 
folder is created, but any older cache is still in the system. When you 
remove an older LiveCode version the cache folder is not removed, so 
these accumulate over time.


This stack will allow you to remove any documentation cache folders that 
are no longer needed in order to reclaim storage space on your computer. 
If you remove a current one accidentally it will be rebuilt the next 
time the LiveCode IDE is launched.


http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/895/LC-Documentation-Cache-Cleaner



Wow, I had no idea. I must have had 30 or 40 of those.

Maybe run it on a Mac, I wasn't able to unhilite the verify button. 
Forty dialogs is a bit much. I hit the return key repeatedly and the 
backed up queue must have confused it because eventually it stopped 
deleting things. I unhilited the button in the property inspector and 
after that things went much faster.


But this is still a fantastic tool, thanks much.

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Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-03 Thread Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
Mark, thanks for this. 

Couldn´t believe how many cache folders existed on my harddrive.

Regards,

Matthias


> Am 02.09.2018 um 20:21 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Posted a utility stack to livecodeshare:
> 
> When first launched, the LiveCode IDE will build a documentation cache for 
> the current version. When you upgrade to a new version, a new cache folder is 
> created, but any older cache is still in the system. When you remove an older 
> LiveCode version the cache folder is not removed, so these accumulate over 
> time.
> 
> This stack will allow you to remove any documentation cache folders that are 
> no longer needed in order to reclaim storage space on your computer. If you 
> remove a current one accidentally it will be rebuilt the next time the 
> LiveCode IDE is launched.
> 
> http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/895/LC-Documentation-Cache-Cleaner
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
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Re: ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-02 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode

How fantastically useful. Thanks.

Richmond.

On 2/9/2018 9:21 pm, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

Posted a utility stack to livecodeshare:

When first launched, the LiveCode IDE will build a documentation cache 
for the current version. When you upgrade to a new version, a new 
cache folder is created, but any older cache is still in the system. 
When you remove an older LiveCode version the cache folder is not 
removed, so these accumulate over time.


This stack will allow you to remove any documentation cache folders 
that are no longer needed in order to reclaim storage space on your 
computer. If you remove a current one accidentally it will be rebuilt 
the next time the LiveCode IDE is launched.


http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/895/LC-Documentation-Cache-Cleaner



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ANN: LC Documentation Cache Cleaner

2018-09-02 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

Posted a utility stack to livecodeshare:

When first launched, the LiveCode IDE will build a documentation cache 
for the current version. When you upgrade to a new version, a new cache 
folder is created, but any older cache is still in the system. When you 
remove an older LiveCode version the cache folder is not removed, so 
these accumulate over time.


This stack will allow you to remove any documentation cache folders that 
are no longer needed in order to reclaim storage space on your computer. 
If you remove a current one accidentally it will be rebuilt the next 
time the LiveCode IDE is launched.


http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/895/LC-Documentation-Cache-Cleaner

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 ahsoftw...@gmail.com

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