AW: How to close a modal stack by keyboard?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Ctrl-Shift, right click did it!
Thank you!
Tiemo

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> Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. März 2012 13:21
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> Betreff: Re: How to close a modal stack by keyboard?
> 
> On 06/03/2012 10:52, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> > When I have opened (in the IDE) a modal stack without closebox, how can
I
> > close it by a windows keyboard shortcut? The messagebox window isn't
> > reachable, because of the modal state of my stack.
> 
> I just had a quick play around...
> 
> On my machine (Windows 7, LiveCode 5.x), I can bring up a new main
> stack, and set it to be modal (it has no buttons to close, remove or
> anything).
> 
> Hold Ctrl-Shift, right click in the window, and you'll get a menu, where
> you can change the 'Stack Mode' to toplevel, where your controls come
back.
> 
> (On my Mac, it seems to be Command-Ctrl-Shift left-click).
> 
> -Ken
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Re: AW: How to close a modal stack by keyboard?

[Ken Corey]

On 06/03/2012 12:48, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

Ctrl-Shift, right click did it!
Thank you!


My pleasure!

One other thing: I *never* use the 'Apply' button any more.  I always 
apply by using the 'Ctrl-S' save function. (Of course, it's Command-S on 
Macs).


That way, when I bork the IDE, or do something silly with 'answer' or 
'modal' or whatever, I am 10 seconds away from restarting LiveCode and 
being right where I was.  This happens often enough that IMNSHO the 
'Apply' button should simply be removed.


I've been burned a few times by programming for 1/2 an hour, hitting 
'Apply' and not saving, only for the IDE to lock, break, obscure itself 
with too many dialogs, or some other such thing. Teeth-gritting kinds of 
stuff.


-Ken

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AW: AW: How to close a modal stack by keyboard?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Good advice, Thanks!
Tiemo

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> Von: use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-livecode-
> boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Ken Corey
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. März 2012 13:58
> An: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Betreff: Re: AW: How to close a modal stack by keyboard?
> 
> On 06/03/2012 12:48, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> > Ctrl-Shift, right click did it!
> > Thank you!
> 
> My pleasure!
> 
> One other thing: I *never* use the 'Apply' button any more.  I always
> apply by using the 'Ctrl-S' save function. (Of course, it's Command-S on
> Macs).
> 
> That way, when I bork the IDE, or do something silly with 'answer' or
> 'modal' or whatever, I am 10 seconds away from restarting LiveCode and
> being right where I was.  This happens often enough that IMNSHO the
> 'Apply' button should simply be removed.
> 
> I've been burned a few times by programming for 1/2 an hour, hitting
> 'Apply' and not saving, only for the IDE to lock, break, obscure itself
> with too many dialogs, or some other such thing. Teeth-gritting kinds of
> stuff.
> 
> -Ken
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Re: AW: How to close a modal stack by keyboard?

[J. Landman Gay]

On 3/6/12 6:57 AM, Ken Corey wrote:


That way, when I bork the IDE, or do something silly with 'answer' or
'modal' or whatever, I am 10 seconds away from restarting LiveCode and
being right where I was. This happens often enough that IMNSHO the
'Apply' button should simply be removed.


Removing Apply would seriously affect my work flow. I routinely try out 
new things and if I bork it too much to backtrack, I revert the stack. I 
save manually immediately after every change I want to keep. That's 
often enough that I rarely lose anything -- but I don't seem to have 
much trouble with the IDE locking up. I almost never experience it.


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Re: AW: How to close a modal stack by keyboard?

[Pete]

Hi Jacque,
What do you mean by "revert the stack"?
Pete

On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 9:25 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Removing Apply would seriously affect my work flow. I routinely try out
> new things and if I bork it too much to backtrack, I revert the stack




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Re: AW: How to close a modal stack by keyboard?

[Colin Holgate]

File menu, Revert to Saved... I work the same way as Jacque, other than I 
sometimes just close the script window and say Yes to the question about if I 
want to keep the changes. The main advantage of the Apply button is that you 
can keep the script window open while you try out different things, without 
committing to the changes just yet.

If Undo worked as well as it does in Flash, then doing a Save wouldn't be such 
a big deal, you could quickly get back to how it was before the change you were 
trying. If you're editing an internal script in Flash, you don't even have to 
Apply either, the changes are already applied as soon as you've typed them. It 
can get away with that because Flash isn't constantly running in the way that 
LiveCode is.


On Mar 6, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Pete wrote:

> Hi Jacque,
> What do you mean by "revert the stack"?

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Re: AW: How to close a modal stack by keyboard?

[Bob Sneidar]

Boy I sure do! But it is an issue with doing something stupid like trying to 
make changes to code and compile it while I am still debugging using 
PowerDebug. Don't know if it would happen with the normal debugger so I cannot 
say it is power debug, and anyway the proper response to compiling code during 
debugging should be, "Don't do that!" :-)

Also, having tabs open in GLX2 for a stack that has been removed from memory is 
another great way to lock up the IDE. Again, not sure if the stock editor would 
behave the same way. I just throw that out there as vectors on IDE lockups that 
some may not have considered yet. Also, I think Mark Wieder may have addressed 
this one in the latest release of GLX2. 

Bob


On Mar 6, 2012, at 9:25 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 3/6/12 6:57 AM, Ken Corey wrote:
> 
>> That way, when I bork the IDE, or do something silly with 'answer' or
>> 'modal' or whatever, I am 10 seconds away from restarting LiveCode and
>> being right where I was. This happens often enough that IMNSHO the
>> 'Apply' button should simply be removed.
> 
> Removing Apply would seriously affect my work flow. I routinely try out new 
> things and if I bork it too much to backtrack, I revert the stack. I save 
> manually immediately after every change I want to keep. That's often enough 
> that I rarely lose anything -- but I don't seem to have much trouble with the 
> IDE locking up. I almost never experience it.
> 
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Re: AW: How to close a modal stack by keyboard?

[Bob Sneidar]

Menu File/Revert To Saved...

Bob


On Mar 6, 2012, at 9:37 AM, Pete wrote:

> Hi Jacque,
> What do you mean by "revert the stack"?
> Pete
> 
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 9:25 AM, J. Landman Gay 
> wrote:
> 
>> Removing Apply would seriously affect my work flow. I routinely try out
>> new things and if I bork it too much to backtrack, I revert the stack
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: AW: How to close a modal stack by keyboard?

[Bob Sneidar]

For those using GLX2, you can just hit Command-R (or CTRL-R I suspect in 
Windows) to revert a script to the last compiled version. 

Bob


On Mar 6, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:

> File menu, Revert to Saved... I work the same way as Jacque, other than I 
> sometimes just close the script window and say Yes to the question about if I 
> want to keep the changes. The main advantage of the Apply button is that you 
> can keep the script window open while you try out different things, without 
> committing to the changes just yet.
> 
> If Undo worked as well as it does in Flash, then doing a Save wouldn't be 
> such a big deal, you could quickly get back to how it was before the change 
> you were trying. If you're editing an internal script in Flash, you don't 
> even have to Apply either, the changes are already applied as soon as you've 
> typed them. It can get away with that because Flash isn't constantly running 
> in the way that LiveCode is.
> 
> 
> On Mar 6, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Pete wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jacque,
>> What do you mean by "revert the stack"?
> 
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Re: AW: How to close a modal stack by keyboard?

[Pete]

How did I miss that! Is that somehow different than just quitting the IDE
without saving then opening it again?

The IDE Undo is a mystery to me.  Most of the time when I really need to
undo, it doesn't work, particularly when moving/deleting controls on a
card.  I've learned to save after almost any single change to a card layout
before making another change.

Pete

On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Colin Holgate  wrote:

> File menu, Revert to Saved... I work the same way as Jacque, other than I
> sometimes just close the script window and say Yes to the question about if
> I want to keep the changes. The main advantage of the Apply button is that
> you can keep the script window open while you try out different things,
> without committing to the changes just yet.
>
> If Undo worked as well as it does in Flash, then doing a Save wouldn't be
> such a big deal, you could quickly get back to how it was before the change
> you were trying. If you're editing an internal script in Flash, you don't
> even have to Apply either, the changes are already applied as soon as
> you've typed them. It can get away with that because Flash isn't constantly
> running in the way that LiveCode is.
>
>
> On Mar 6, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Pete wrote:
>
> > Hi Jacque,
> > What do you mean by "revert the stack"?
>
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Re: AW: How to close a modal stack by keyboard?

[J. Landman Gay]

On 3/6/12 11:37 AM, Pete wrote:

Hi Jacque,
What do you mean by "revert the stack"?


The command is in the File menu, though I usually just type it into the 
message box to avoid the verification dialog. "Revert" is a LiveCode 
command that just means "reload this stack from the last-saved version 
on disk."


It lets me dink around and then discard all changes in one go.

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Re: AW: How to close a modal stack by keyboard?

[Bob Sneidar]

Oh nice tip. 

Bob


On Mar 6, 2012, at 10:17 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 3/6/12 11:37 AM, Pete wrote:
>> Hi Jacque,
>> What do you mean by "revert the stack"?
> 
> The command is in the File menu, though I usually just type it into the 
> message box to avoid the verification dialog. "Revert" is a LiveCode command 
> that just means "reload this stack from the last-saved version on disk."
> 
> It lets me dink around and then discard all changes in one go.
> 
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Re: AW: How to close a modal stack by keyboard?

[Ken Corey]

On 06/03/2012 17:25, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 3/6/12 6:57 AM, Ken Corey wrote:
Removing Apply would seriously affect my work flow. I routinely try out
new things and if I bork it too much to backtrack, I revert the stack. I
save manually immediately after every change I want to keep. That's
often enough that I rarely lose anything -- but I don't seem to have
much trouble with the IDE locking up. I almost never experience it.


I haven't experienced it much on Windows, but boy do I see it a lot on 
Mac...at least 3 times per week.  When I've just saved and it happens, I 
simply force quit and restart.  If I haven't saved for a while, steam 
comes out of my ears.


-Ken

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Re: AW: How to close a modal stack by keyboard?

[J. Landman Gay]

On 3/6/12 12:37 PM, Ken Corey wrote:

On 06/03/2012 17:25, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 3/6/12 6:57 AM, Ken Corey wrote:
Removing Apply would seriously affect my work flow. I routinely try out
new things and if I bork it too much to backtrack, I revert the stack. I
save manually immediately after every change I want to keep. That's
often enough that I rarely lose anything -- but I don't seem to have
much trouble with the IDE locking up. I almost never experience it.


I haven't experienced it much on Windows, but boy do I see it a lot on
Mac...at least 3 times per week. When I've just saved and it happens, I
simply force quit and restart. If I haven't saved for a while, steam
comes out of my ears.


I develop exclusively on Mac and only use other operating systems for 
testing. Do you use any third-party tools? I keep my IDE native.


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Re: AW: How to close a modal stack by keyboard?

[Ken Corey]

On 06/03/2012 18:58, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 3/6/12 12:37 PM, Ken Corey wrote:
I develop exclusively on Mac and only use other operating systems for
testing. Do you use any third-party tools? I keep my IDE native.


Come to mention it, I have installed a few things that installed 
plug-ins on 5.0.2, but haven't used them.


Now, of course, I'm running 5.5.0 dp2, but still seeing the crashes.

Could the things I've played with in the past (glx2, mobgui, etc) be 
leaving a plug-in somewhere that 5.5.0 is picking up on?  I tried 
looking in my Users/ken/Library directory, but only saw the preferences 
file there.


-Ken

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Re: AW: How to close a modal stack by keyboard?

[J. Landman Gay]

On 3/6/12 1:32 PM, Ken Corey wrote:


Could the things I've played with in the past (glx2, mobgui, etc) be
leaving a plug-in somewhere that 5.5.0 is picking up on? I tried looking
in my Users/ken/Library directory, but only saw the preferences file there.


Doubtful, if you've restarted and haven't used those, but I'm not sure 
how GLX works; maybe it always loads. It would be in your plugins folder 
I think (it's been a very long time since I looked at it.)


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Re: AW: How to close a modal stack by keyboard?

[Bob Sneidar]

Yes it's in the plugins folder. If 5.5 does not alter what that is then GLX2 
will load if it's there.

Bob


On Mar 6, 2012, at 9:00 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 3/6/12 1:32 PM, Ken Corey wrote:
> 
>> Could the things I've played with in the past (glx2, mobgui, etc) be
>> leaving a plug-in somewhere that 5.5.0 is picking up on? I tried looking
>> in my Users/ken/Library directory, but only saw the preferences file there.
> 
> Doubtful, if you've restarted and haven't used those, but I'm not sure how 
> GLX works; maybe it always loads. It would be in your plugins folder I think 
> (it's been a very long time since I looked at it.)
> 
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