Re: AW: AW: LiveCode 8 and a new video player?

2015-06-04 Thread Richard Gaskin 

Martin Koob wrote:

> When the AVFoundation based player was being developed as a
> replacement for the QTKit player I tested most of the features
> of the player and submitted bug reports for anything that was
> missing or not working correctly. The team was very good at
> following up and ensuring that the new player had the core
> functionality of the old one.

...for OS X.

The other 90% of our audience is SOL, to varying degrees.

On Windows we can only play a media file from the beginning, since the 
startTime property is ignored:



If we had startTime we could script our own solutions for pause/resume, 
looping, chaptering, and more, and I'd be thrilled to have the chance to 
do that - if only it were possible.


On Linux we can't use the player object at all:



I can appreciate the desire for The Ultimate Multimedia Widget That Will 
Fix All Problems Ever Reported, but realistically that's still many 
months away at the very earliest, and there are so many things we could 
ship in the meantime with relatively minor changes to the existing 
player object.


In fact, if I had basic playback with startTime for Windows and Linux as 
we have for OS X, I'd never need that fancy widget at all.


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Re: AW: AW: LiveCode 8 and a new video player?

2015-06-04 Thread Richmond 

On 04/06/15 20:06, Martin Koob wrote:

I agree with you Tiemo,  the cross platform player widget should have the
same functionality as the current AVFOundation based player on Mac OS X with
properties like currentTime, startTime, endTime playdate and callbacks etc.;
messages like currentTimeChanged, playStarted, playPaused, selectionChanged
etc.


I don't disagree: it would be absolutely 1000% wonderful to have all 
those capabilities: but
having waited for about 15 years even a bog-basic video-player would be 
better than the BIG FAT NOTHING

with promises following we have had to put up with.

Richmond.


When the AVFoundation based player was being developed as a replacement for
the QTKit player I tested most of the features of the player and submitted
bug reports for anything that was missing or not working correctly. The team
was very good at following up and ensuring that the new player had the core
functionality of the old one.  There are of course some QuickTime specific
features that are not replicated because Apple did not include those
features in AVFoundation.

I am looking forward to the DP of LC 8 with the player widget.

Martin Koob



  





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Re: AW: AW: LiveCode 8 and a new video player?

2015-06-04 Thread Martin Koob 
I agree with you Tiemo,  the cross platform player widget should have the
same functionality as the current AVFOundation based player on Mac OS X with
properties like currentTime, startTime, endTime playdate and callbacks etc.;
messages like currentTimeChanged, playStarted, playPaused, selectionChanged
etc.  

When the AVFoundation based player was being developed as a replacement for
the QTKit player I tested most of the features of the player and submitted
bug reports for anything that was missing or not working correctly. The team
was very good at following up and ensuring that the new player had the core
functionality of the old one.  There are of course some QuickTime specific
features that are not replicated because Apple did not include those
features in AVFoundation.  

I am looking forward to the DP of LC 8 with the player widget.

Martin Koob



 




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AW: AW: LiveCode 8 and a new video player?

2015-06-04 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB 
> Richmond wrote:
> We don't need anything 'fancy': merely simple PLAY, PAUSE, STOP for video
in a player object.
> AND, the most important thing is that one doesn't have to spend hours
fiddling around for different platforms.

Here I don't agree at all. I am not sure, what you or Richard count to
"fancy" features. For me "set the currenttime of player "VideoPlayer" to
tStep" counts to one of the most the essential features. Without that I
can't sell any of my products anymore, because a variable slow-motion
feature is essential for my products.

Tiemo


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Re: AW: LiveCode 8 and a new video player?

2015-06-03 Thread Richmond 

On 03/06/15 20:53, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Addendum to my last post:

A quick search in Google for "LiveCode Roadmap" turned up the current 
URL in the first hit, and on that page we see under the "Widgets" column:


   Cross browser player object Use widget framework to wrap
   video playback on all platforms into a single object.

That is of course a typo, where "cross browser" should be "cross 
platform".  Their webmaster is CC'd with this email so I suspect 
that'll be corrected shortly.


Going forward, when there are questions about the road ahead, the 
Roadmap is a great place to start. :)




Is this: http://livecode.com/resources/roadmap/  what you mean?

It would be good if a version of that with red rings drawn round the 
things completed (or semi-completed with percentages) were released.


Because, nice as it is, it doesn't really give any idea of where on the 
roadmap things are.


Richmond.

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Re: AW: LiveCode 8 and a new video player?

2015-06-03 Thread Richmond 

On 03/06/15 20:49, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Richmond wrote:

On 03/06/15 20:16, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
>> I didn't knew that the cross platform player will be a widget.
>> Interesting to know.
>>
> You don't "know" as Martin Koob writes "From my understanding",
> which, logically does NOT state that "the" cross-platform player
> for LiveCode 8 will be a widget. All he DOES state is that he
> believes there will be a cross-platform player and that it will
> be a widget.
>
> All you are doing is indulging in fuzzy thinking.

Or just good memory.

While the Roadmap is currently a bit disorganized and incomplete (many 
changes going on with the Web site right now), previous editions of it 
did include discussion of a rewrite of the multimedia playback 
subsystem which is dependent on the Widgets architecture.


Kevin and others from the company have mentioned this in various 
venues from time to time as well.


And as your Community Liaison, I can further offer that all 
discussions on behalf of the community with relevant team members 
reinforce Martin's reliable recollection of the plan.



And since like myself you enjoy Linux, you may be pleased to hear of a 
chance things might just get a little better before then:


For the last several years there's been no reliable way to play video 
or audio in Linux, and in v7 attempting to set the filename of a 
player to any valid media file I've tested crashes or hangs (#14427).


Since 2001 at least; if that constitutes "the last several years" . . .

I tried to get some video going in Linux with some strange arrangement 
in about 2004 without any joy at all.


As part of the team's effort to ensure this community can confidently 
migrate their work to v7, Ben has solicited lists of critical 
showstoppers from the community, and that issue was included on mine.


At this time it's premature to suggest they'll be able to do as much 
as honoring the startTime property for player objects, and details 
like that may indeed have to wait for a more complete overhaul planned 
for the post-Widgets engine.


But in the meantime I'm hoping we can at least get basic playback 
functioning, which may seem trivial to Mac users who've been enjoying 
all the time the team has devoted for a wide range of multimedia 
activities in LiveCode all the way down to very flexible audio and 
video recording.  But for us Linux folk, even having just basic 
playback will be a welcome step toward baseline feature parity.


We don't need anything 'fancy': merely simple PLAY, PAUSE, STOP for 
video in a player object.


AND, the most important thing is that one doesn't have to spend hours 
fiddling around for different platforms.


Richmond.


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Re: AW: LiveCode 8 and a new video player?

2015-06-03 Thread Martin Koob 



Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote
> You don't "know" as Martin Koob writes "From my understanding", which, 
> logically does NOT state
> that "the" cross-platform player for LiveCode 8 will be a widget. All he 
> DOES state is that he believes
> there will be a cross-platform player and that it will be a widget.
> 
> All you are doing is indulging in fuzzy thinking.
> 
> What would be good would be a categorical statement from RunRev as to 
> whether there will be a cross-platform player,
> when that will happen, and its nature.
> 
> Richmond.


Actually Richmond I was weaselling out  of stating categorically that the
cross platform player object "will" be a widget because I was too lazy to
confirm what I believed.  Tiemo was not engaged in fuzzy thinking but rather
reading between the lines suspecting that what I really wanted to say "I
know" but that I didn't want to put the time in to back up my assertion. So
it was I who introduced the fuzziness.  

So thus chastened I have looked it up again to confirm.
It was from the following LiveCode Blog post.

The present and future LiveCode
by Ben Beaumont on June 30, 2014 ,
http://livecode.com/the-present-and-future-livecode/

"Cross browser player object
Use widget framework to wrap video playback on all platforms into a single
object."

So what I don't know is when the cross browser player object will be
delivered and I agree it would be nice to get an update on the road map from
LiveCode to show what has been completed and what is in the various threads.

Martin




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Re: AW: LiveCode 8 and a new video player?

2015-06-03 Thread Richard Gaskin 

Addendum to my last post:

A quick search in Google for "LiveCode Roadmap" turned up the current 
URL in the first hit, and on that page we see under the "Widgets" column:


   Cross browser player object Use widget framework to wrap
   video playback on all platforms into a single object.

That is of course a typo, where "cross browser" should be "cross 
platform".  Their webmaster is CC'd with this email so I suspect that'll 
be corrected shortly.


Going forward, when there are questions about the road ahead, the 
Roadmap is a great place to start. :)


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 rich...@livecode.org

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Re: AW: LiveCode 8 and a new video player?

2015-06-03 Thread Richard Gaskin 

Richmond wrote:

On 03/06/15 20:16, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
>> I didn't knew that the cross platform player will be a widget.
>> Interesting to know.
>>
> You don't "know" as Martin Koob writes "From my understanding",
> which, logically does NOT state that "the" cross-platform player
> for LiveCode 8 will be a widget. All he DOES state is that he
> believes there will be a cross-platform player and that it will
> be a widget.
>
> All you are doing is indulging in fuzzy thinking.

Or just good memory.

While the Roadmap is currently a bit disorganized and incomplete (many 
changes going on with the Web site right now), previous editions of it 
did include discussion of a rewrite of the multimedia playback subsystem 
which is dependent on the Widgets architecture.


Kevin and others from the company have mentioned this in various venues 
from time to time as well.


And as your Community Liaison, I can further offer that all discussions 
on behalf of the community with relevant team members reinforce Martin's 
reliable recollection of the plan.



And since like myself you enjoy Linux, you may be pleased to hear of a 
chance things might just get a little better before then:


For the last several years there's been no reliable way to play video or 
audio in Linux, and in v7 attempting to set the filename of a player to 
any valid media file I've tested crashes or hangs (#14427).


As part of the team's effort to ensure this community can confidently 
migrate their work to v7, Ben has solicited lists of critical 
showstoppers from the community, and that issue was included on mine.


At this time it's premature to suggest they'll be able to do as much as 
honoring the startTime property for player objects, and details like 
that may indeed have to wait for a more complete overhaul planned for 
the post-Widgets engine.


But in the meantime I'm hoping we can at least get basic playback 
functioning, which may seem trivial to Mac users who've been enjoying 
all the time the team has devoted for a wide range of multimedia 
activities in LiveCode all the way down to very flexible audio and video 
recording.  But for us Linux folk, even having just basic playback will 
be a welcome step toward baseline feature parity.


--
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 LiveCode Community Manager
 rich...@livecode.org

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Re: AW: LiveCode 8 and a new video player?

2015-06-03 Thread Richmond 

On 03/06/15 20:16, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

I didn't knew that the cross platform player will be a widget. Interesting
to know.
Tiemo
You don't "know" as Martin Koob writes "From my understanding", which, 
logically does NOT state
that "the" cross-platform player for LiveCode 8 will be a widget. All he 
DOES state is that he believes

there will be a cross-platform player and that it will be a widget.

All you are doing is indulging in fuzzy thinking.

What would be good would be a categorical statement from RunRev as to 
whether there will be a cross-platform player,

when that will happen, and its nature.

Richmond.


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Betreff: Re: LiveCode 8 and a new video player?

Hi for the Mac the player that was based on QuickTime has already been
replaced with a player based on AVFoundation.

 From my understanding the cross platform player will be a widget which have
made its debut in the LiveCode 8 DPs.  My understanding is that once widgets
are in place work can start on the cross platform player.  There are other
controls that will be based on widgets that the team will be working on I am
sure. It would be good to hear what the time line is for seeing these new
widget based controls rolled out and where the cross platform player is in
that timeline.

Martin Koob



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AW: LiveCode 8 and a new video player?

2015-06-03 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB 
I didn't knew that the cross platform player will be a widget. Interesting
to know.
Tiemo


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Betreff: Re: LiveCode 8 and a new video player?

Hi for the Mac the player that was based on QuickTime has already been
replaced with a player based on AVFoundation.  

>From my understanding the cross platform player will be a widget which have
made its debut in the LiveCode 8 DPs.  My understanding is that once widgets
are in place work can start on the cross platform player.  There are other
controls that will be based on widgets that the team will be working on I am
sure. It would be good to hear what the time line is for seeing these new
widget based controls rolled out and where the cross platform player is in
that timeline.

Martin Koob



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