Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

2023-09-18 Thread William Prothero via use-livecode 
Ralph:
Noteworthy?
Bill

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Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science
University of California, Santa Barbara

> On Sep 17, 2023, at 2:24 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Was invited to an experimental Jazz show yesterday. I finally realized that 
> all jazz is experimental.
> 
> "Jazz is not dead it just smells funny"
> Frank Zappa
> 
> 
> What do you call a person who hangs out with musicians?
> 
> 
> Ralph DiMola
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> Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2023 10:02 PM
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> Subject: Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)
> 
> Yes. It’s the one that no batter can hit. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2023, at 18:14, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 9/15/23 13:10, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Does accordion count?
>> 
>> You know the definition of perfect pitch, right?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
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RE: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

2023-09-17 Thread Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
Was invited to an experimental Jazz show yesterday. I finally realized that all 
jazz is experimental.

"Jazz is not dead it just smells funny"
Frank Zappa


What do you call a person who hangs out with musicians?


Ralph DiMola
IT Director
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Subject: Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

Yes. It’s the one that no batter can hit. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2023, at 18:14, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
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> 
> On 9/15/23 13:10, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:
>> Does accordion count?
> 
> You know the definition of perfect pitch, right?
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

2023-09-15 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
Yes. It’s the one that no batter can hit. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2023, at 18:14, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 9/15/23 13:10, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:
>> Does accordion count?
> 
> You know the definition of perfect pitch, right?
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
> 
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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

2023-09-15 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode 

On 9/15/23 13:10, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:

Does accordion count?


You know the definition of perfect pitch, right?

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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

2023-09-15 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode 

On 9/15/23 13:50, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

I used to be a musician until I looked up one day and discovered that no one 
was listening. I guess people got used to the idea that music was just supposed 
to be background noise, and so they treated live musicians the same way. You 
see it in bars with live bands all the time. That is why I try to pay special 
attention to live bands and applaud loudly between every song. Unless they 
suck. ;-)


I was at a wedding a few years ago and during the band's break the 
bandleader came up to me and said "you're a musician, right?" I asked 
how he knew and he said "you were paying attention while we played".


What got to me was their medley of "La Vie en Rose"->"Samba de Orfeu".

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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

2023-09-15 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
I used to be a musician until I looked up one day and discovered that no one 
was listening. I guess people got used to the idea that music was just supposed 
to be background noise, and so they treated live musicians the same way. You 
see it in bars with live bands all the time. That is why I try to pay special 
attention to live bands and applaud loudly between every song. Unless they 
suck. ;-)

Bob S


> On Sep 15, 2023, at 11:56 AM, William Prothero via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mark and Klaus,
> Wow, folks I didn't know were musicians!  
> I use iReal Pro too. It's great for practice. And, easily transposes. But as 
> a keyboard player, I use the notes of the tune to shape my solos. iReal Pro 
> only has the chords. It's still useful, though.
> 
> Best,
> Bill
> 
> William A. Prothero, PhD
> Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science
> University of California, Santa Barbara
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>>> Am 15.09.2023 um 20:26 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>>> :
 On 9/15/23 10:13, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
 I also own "iReal Pro" for Mac which can output 
 PDF if I need one
 and I also still own a printed version of the "Real Book I". :-)
>>> The only reason I have a 10" tablet is to run iRealPro on it.
>>> Hard to imagine doing without it.
>> 
>> good boy! :-)
>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Mark Wieder
>>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> Klaus
>> 
>> --
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>> https://www.major-k.de
>> https://www.major-k.de/bass
>> kl...@major-k.de
>> 
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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

2023-09-15 Thread Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
Hi Ralph,

> Am 15.09.2023 um 22:10 schrieb Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Does accordion count?

it does!
Since Al Yankowic...

Just kiddin'. :-D

> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
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> -Original Message-
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> Of William Prothero via use-livecode
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2023 2:56 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: William Prothero
> Subject: Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)
> 
> Mark and Klaus,
> Wow, folks I didn't know were musicians!  
> I use iReal Pro too. It's great for practice. And, easily transposes. But as 
> a keyboard player, I use the notes of the tune to shape my solos. iReal Pro 
> only has the chords. It's still useful, though.
> 
> Best,
> Bill

Best

Klaus

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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

2023-09-15 Thread William Prothero via use-livecode 
Klaus,
 Very nice site and music. You're way above my skill level. I jam with friends 
a couple of times a week, but we are all retired and do it for fun and public 
performances are very rare.
Best,
Bill

William A. Prothero, PhD
Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science
University of California, Santa Barbara

> On Sep 15, 2023, at 1:11 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Does accordion count?
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf 
> Of William Prothero via use-livecode
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2023 2:56 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: William Prothero
> Subject: Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)
> 
> Mark and Klaus,
> Wow, folks I didn't know were musicians!  
> I use iReal Pro too. It's great for practice. And, easily transposes. But as 
> a keyboard player, I use the notes of the tune to shape my solos. iReal Pro 
> only has the chords. It's still useful, though.
> 
> Best,
> Bill
> 
> William A. Prothero, PhD
> Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science
> University of California, Santa Barbara
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>>> Am 15.09.2023 um 20:26 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>>> :
>>>>> On 9/15/23 10:13, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>> I also own "iReal Pro" for Mac<https://www.irealpro.com> which can 
>>>>> output PDF if I need one and I also still own a printed version of 
>>>>> the "Real Book I". :-)
>>> The only reason I have a 10" tablet is to run iRealPro on it.
>>> Hard to imagine doing without it.
>> 
>> good boy! :-)
>> 
>>> --
>>> Mark Wieder
>>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> Klaus
>> 
>> --
>> Klaus Major
>> https://www.major-k.de
>> https://www.major-k.de/bass
>> kl...@major-k.de
>> 
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RE: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

2023-09-15 Thread Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
Does accordion count?

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
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William Prothero via use-livecode
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2023 2:56 PM
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Cc: William Prothero
Subject: Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

Mark and Klaus,
Wow, folks I didn't know were musicians!  
I use iReal Pro too. It's great for practice. And, easily transposes. But as a 
keyboard player, I use the notes of the tune to shape my solos. iReal Pro only 
has the chords. It's still useful, though.

Best,
Bill

William A. Prothero, PhD
Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science
University of California, Santa Barbara

> On Sep 15, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
>> Am 15.09.2023 um 20:26 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>> :
>>> On 9/15/23 10:13, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>>> I also own "iReal Pro" for Mac<https://www.irealpro.com> which can 
>>> output PDF if I need one and I also still own a printed version of 
>>> the "Real Book I". :-)
>> The only reason I have a 10" tablet is to run iRealPro on it.
>> Hard to imagine doing without it.
> 
> good boy! :-)
> 
>> --
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> kl...@major-k.de
> 
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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

2023-09-15 Thread Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
Hi Bill,

> Am 15.09.2023 um 20:56 schrieb William Prothero via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Mark and Klaus,
> Wow, folks I didn't know were musicians!  

take a look at my bass page, see signature.
Lots of audio and video files. 
Don't worry, my site is in german and english.  
It is a bit outdated, but you'll get the picture. ;-)

> I use iReal Pro too. It's great for practice. And, easily transposes. But as 
> a keyboard player, I use the notes of the tune to shape my solos. iReal Pro 
> only has the chords. It's still useful, though.

Yep!

> Best,
> Bill

Best

Klaus

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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

2023-09-15 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode 

On 9/15/23 11:56, William Prothero via use-livecode wrote:

Mark and Klaus,
Wow, folks I didn't know were musicians!
I use iReal Pro too. It's great for practice. And, easily transposes. But as a 
keyboard player, I use the notes of the tune to shape my solos. iReal Pro only 
has the chords. It's still useful, though.


OK - fair point about needing the notes. But as a bass player I'm 
usually more concerned with the horizontal movement of a tune.


I have Real Books Vols 1,2,3 but that's a lot to carry to a gig. I use 
them at home and Band-in-a-box as well but for real-time improvising I 
find that iRealPro generally does the job. Or I can copy a page out of 
one of the Real Books and hope the wind doesn't carry it away .


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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

2023-09-15 Thread William Prothero via use-livecode 
Mark and Klaus,
Wow, folks I didn't know were musicians!  
I use iReal Pro too. It's great for practice. And, easily transposes. But as a 
keyboard player, I use the notes of the tune to shape my solos. iReal Pro only 
has the chords. It's still useful, though.

Best,
Bill

William A. Prothero, PhD
Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science
University of California, Santa Barbara

> On Sep 15, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
>> Am 15.09.2023 um 20:26 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>> :
>>> On 9/15/23 10:13, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>>> I also own "iReal Pro" for Mac which can output 
>>> PDF if I need one
>>> and I also still own a printed version of the "Real Book I". :-)
>> The only reason I have a 10" tablet is to run iRealPro on it.
>> Hard to imagine doing without it.
> 
> good boy! :-)
> 
>> -- 
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> https://www.major-k.de
> https://www.major-k.de/bass
> kl...@major-k.de
> 
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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

2023-09-15 Thread Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
Hi Mark,

> Am 15.09.2023 um 20:26 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
> :
> On 9/15/23 10:13, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>> I also own "iReal Pro" for Mac which can output 
>> PDF if I need one
>> and I also still own a printed version of the "Real Book I". :-)
> The only reason I have a 10" tablet is to run iRealPro on it.
> Hard to imagine doing without it.

good boy! :-)

> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftw...@gmail.com

Best

Klaus

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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

2023-09-15 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode 

On 9/15/23 10:13, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:


I also own "iReal Pro" for Mac which can output PDF 
if I need one
and I also still own a printed version of the "Real Book I". :-)


The only reason I have a 10" tablet is to run iRealPro on it.
Hard to imagine doing without it.

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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

2023-09-15 Thread Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
Hi Bill,

> Am 15.09.2023 um 19:03 schrieb William Prothero via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Klaus,
> Re sheet music display, I also display sheet music, mostly jazz. There's an 
> app, very low cost, named igigbook that displays pdfs. If you're into jazz, 
> you can get lots of real book music and there is even an addon for changing 
> the key for some realbook songs.
> 
> The trouble is, iGigbook is optimized for the Mac, so I'm not sure it would 
> work for you. So, excuse me if my comment is irrelevant to your goal.

thank you for the hint. 
There is also an Android app of iGigbook!

However, why buy something when you can do it by yourself, much more fun.
My app does exactly (sic!) what I need.

I also own "iReal Pro" for Mac which can output PDF 
if I need one
and I also still own a printed version of the "Real Book I". :-)

> Have fun,

I definitively do! :-)

> Bill
> William A. Prothero, PhD
> Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science
> University of California, Santa Barbara

Best

Klaus

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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

2023-09-15 Thread William Prothero via use-livecode 
Klaus,
Re sheet music display, I also display sheet music, mostly jazz. There's an 
app, very low cost, named igigbook that displays pdfs. If you're into jazz, you 
can get lots of real book music and there is even an addon for changing the key 
for some realbook songs.

The trouble is, iGigbook is optimized for the Mac, so I'm not sure it would 
work for you. So, excuse me if my comment is irrelevant to your goal.

Have fun,
Bill
William A. Prothero, PhD
Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science
University of California, Santa Barbara

> On Sep 15, 2023, at 3:34 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
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> Hi Mark,
> 
>> Am 15.09.2023 um 12:14 schrieb Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>>> On 2023-09-14 18:49, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>>> But I'm using a Mac and it looks like that tool is not available here in 
>>> the SDK tools folder.
>>> Maybe available somewhere in "Android Studio".
>>> And my problem NEVER happened when I'm at home, only during band rehearsals 
>>> and gigs! :-D
>> So this is perhaps the most useful observation...
> 
> :-)
> 
>> This could suggest there is a either a difference in usage, or environment 
>> between the two places. e.g.
>> - is the app used more / for longer at gigs compared to home?
> 
> Yes.
> 
>> - how is the tablet powered at home vs at gigs?
> 
> Via its internal rechargable battery, will recharge it overnight with no 
> connection to my Mac.
> 
>> - how does the tablet connect to the internet at home vs at gigs? (even if 
>> the app does not use the internet, lots of background stuff on Android 
>> *does*)
> 
> At home via W-Lan, at gigs no internet connection (no SIM card or something!)
> 
>> - when the problem happens is there anything specific you can think of in 
>> common with what you were doing / the app was doing / the device was doing 
>> just before? (e.g. does it happen just after the device has gone to sleep).
> 
> No, sometimes I get the black screen immediately when I start the tablet at a 
> gig or rehearsal, sometimes after several quit/start of the app.
> 
>> The fact it is 'hanging' suggests there is something (on startup?) which is 
>> failing and causing an infinite loop.
> 
> Nothing remarkable here, I only fill the two polygrids (< 10 entries each) on 
> the first card on preopenstack.
> 
>> Is there anything in the startup code for the app which waits for something 
>> to happen? e.g. an network request, something to initialize etc.?
> 
> No, nada, just what I wrote above.
> 
>> Warmest Regards,
>> 
>> Mark.
>> 
>> P.S. If you send your app's source to supp...@livecode.com with a rough 
>> outline of where to look for startup code etc. then Panos and I can take a 
>> quick look and see if we can see anything which may be causing your issue.
> 
> Great, thanks, will remove all unneccessary files and will send it with some 
> instructions.
> 
>> -- 
>> Mark Waddingham ~ m...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
>> LiveCode: Build Amazing Things
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

2023-09-15 Thread Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
Hi Mark,

> Am 15.09.2023 um 12:14 schrieb Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> On 2023-09-14 18:49, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>> But I'm using a Mac and it looks like that tool is not available here in the 
>> SDK tools folder.
>> Maybe available somewhere in "Android Studio".
>> And my problem NEVER happened when I'm at home, only during band rehearsals 
>> and gigs! :-D
> So this is perhaps the most useful observation...

:-)

> This could suggest there is a either a difference in usage, or environment 
> between the two places. e.g.
>  - is the app used more / for longer at gigs compared to home?

Yes.

>  - how is the tablet powered at home vs at gigs?

Via its internal rechargable battery, will recharge it overnight with no 
connection to my Mac.

>  - how does the tablet connect to the internet at home vs at gigs? (even if 
> the app does not use the internet, lots of background stuff on Android *does*)

At home via W-Lan, at gigs no internet connection (no SIM card or something!)

>  - when the problem happens is there anything specific you can think of in 
> common with what you were doing / the app was doing / the device was doing 
> just before? (e.g. does it happen just after the device has gone to sleep).

No, sometimes I get the black screen immediately when I start the tablet at a 
gig or rehearsal, sometimes after several quit/start of the app.

> The fact it is 'hanging' suggests there is something (on startup?) which is 
> failing and causing an infinite loop.

Nothing remarkable here, I only fill the two polygrids (< 10 entries each) on 
the first card on preopenstack.

> Is there anything in the startup code for the app which waits for something 
> to happen? e.g. an network request, something to initialize etc.?

No, nada, just what I wrote above.

> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 
> P.S. If you send your app's source to supp...@livecode.com with a rough 
> outline of where to look for startup code etc. then Panos and I can take a 
> quick look and see if we can see anything which may be causing your issue.

Great, thanks, will remove all unneccessary files and will send it with some 
instructions.

> -- 
> Mark Waddingham ~ m...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> LiveCode: Build Amazing Things

Best

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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

2023-09-15 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 

On 2023-09-14 18:49, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
But I'm using a Mac and it looks like that tool is not available here 
in the SDK tools folder.

Maybe available somewhere in "Android Studio".

And my problem NEVER happened when I'm at home, only during band 
rehearsals and gigs! :-D


So this is perhaps the most useful observation...

This could suggest there is a either a difference in usage, or 
environment between the two places. e.g.


  - is the app used more / for longer at gigs compared to home?
  - how is the tablet powered at home vs at gigs?
  - how does the tablet connect to the internet at home vs at gigs? 
(even if the app does not use the internet, lots of background stuff on 
Android *does*)
  - when the problem happens is there anything specific you can think of 
in common with what you were doing / the app was doing / the device was 
doing just before? (e.g. does it happen just after the device has gone 
to sleep).


The fact it is 'hanging' suggests there is something (on startup?) which 
is failing and causing an infinite loop.


Is there anything in the startup code for the app which waits for 
something to happen? e.g. an network request, something to initialize 
etc.?


Warmest Regards,

Mark.

P.S. If you send your app's source to supp...@livecode.com with a rough 
outline of where to look for startup code etc. then Panos and I can take 
a quick look and see if we can see anything which may be causing your 
issue.


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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

2023-09-15 Thread Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
Hi all,

> Am 14.09.2023 um 20:03 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> He's not crashing, it's a hang. I can't remember if logcat shows those.
> My guess is that it's a memory problem since he's running a very old version 
> of Android with not much RAM,

it is a Galaxy Tab A (2016) with 2 GB RAM and 32 GB hd (or SSD?) running 
Android 8.1.
So the LC Android engine is a bit RAM "hungry"? Or are the new widgets like 
PolyGrid? 

Strange, I have another LC app installed on my Samsung Galaxy J7 (2016) cell 
phone 
with 2 GB of RAM and 16 GB HD which never ever crashed or hung in the last year?

> and restarting the app may force retained apps to release RAM. But a log 
> can't hurt at any rate.
> 
> Klaus, remove all unnecessary widgets from your home screen(s). Also go 
> through all the apps in settings and disable or delete any you don't use. 
> Android will not allow you to do that for required apps so if the buttons are 
> enabled then it's safe. Most devices come with a lot of bloatware that runs 
> in the background and uses memory. Widgets are especially bad at that.

I already disabled and deleted everything that could be disabled and deleted, 
since I 
exclusivley (sic!) use the tablet to display sheet music. Therefore I really 
wonder 
why this does not happen more often?

Will try to check the "logcat", when this will happen the next time.
Thanks for all hints so far.

> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On September 14, 2023 12:21:15 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Get a logcat after a crash and see if Panos can glean anything useful from
>> it. It helped me once identifying and getting a crash fix implemented.

Best

Klaus

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RE: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

2023-09-14 Thread Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
It should be there. It's not in the tools folder it's in the
"platform-tools" folder. Clear the logcat before you go to practice then
after you get home after a hang/crash do the logcat.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


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From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Klaus major-k via use-livecode
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 1:50 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Klaus major-k
Subject: Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

Hi Ralph,

> Am 14.09.2023 um 19:43 schrieb Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
:
> 
> Klaus,
> 
> You need to get it using a command prompt via USB. Connect device. 
> Open command prompt. In the android SDK platform-tools folder... Steps:
> 
> 1) Clear the log
> 2) Get you app to crash
> 3) Get a log
> 
> ADB commands below:
> 
> ADB logcat -c
> Now run your app till crash
> ADB logcat
> 
> The log can be piped to a file.
> In windows it's
> ADB logcat > somefile.txt
> The logcat will keep running so on windows a ctrl C will terminate.

OK, thank you.

But I'm using a Mac and it looks like that tool is not available here in the
SDK tools folder.
Maybe available somewhere in "Android Studio".

And my problem NEVER happened when I'm at home, only during band rehearsals
and gigs! :-D

> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net

Best

Klaus

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RE: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

2023-09-14 Thread Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
I was thinking that if it's indeed a hang it would show how far the app
activation proceeded before the hang. Maybe that would help/confirm that
this is indeed a hang or crash.

Just a thought

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


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From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 2:04 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: J. Landman Gay
Subject: RE: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

He's not crashing, it's a hang. I can't remember if logcat shows those.

My guess is that it's a memory problem since he's running a very old version
of Android with not much RAM, and restarting the app may force retained apps
to release RAM. But a log can't hurt at any rate.

Klaus, remove all unnecessary widgets from your home screen(s). Also go
through all the apps in settings and disable or delete any you don't use. 
Android will not allow you to do that for required apps so if the buttons
are enabled then it's safe. Most devices come with a lot of bloatware that
runs in the background and uses memory. Widgets are especially bad at that.

--
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HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On September 14, 2023 12:21:15 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
 wrote:

> Get a logcat after a crash and see if Panos can glean anything useful from
> it. It helped me once identifying and getting a crash fix implemented.




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RE: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

2023-09-14 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 

He's not crashing, it's a hang. I can't remember if logcat shows those.

My guess is that it's a memory problem since he's running a very old 
version of Android with not much RAM, and restarting the app may force 
retained apps to release RAM. But a log can't hurt at any rate.


Klaus, remove all unnecessary widgets from your home screen(s). Also go 
through all the apps in settings and disable or delete any you don't use. 
Android will not allow you to do that for required apps so if the buttons 
are enabled then it's safe. Most devices come with a lot of bloatware that 
runs in the background and uses memory. Widgets are especially bad at that.


--
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HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On September 14, 2023 12:21:15 PM Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
 wrote:



Get a logcat after a crash and see if Panos can glean anything useful from
it. It helped me once identifying and getting a crash fix implemented.





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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

2023-09-14 Thread Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
Hi Ralph,

> Am 14.09.2023 um 19:43 schrieb Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Klaus,
> 
> You need to get it using a command prompt via USB. Connect device. Open
> command prompt. In the android SDK platform-tools folder... Steps:
> 
> 1) Clear the log
> 2) Get you app to crash
> 3) Get a log
> 
> ADB commands below:
> 
> ADB logcat -c
> Now run your app till crash
> ADB logcat
> 
> The log can be piped to a file.
> In windows it's 
> ADB logcat > somefile.txt
> The logcat will keep running so on windows a ctrl C will terminate.

OK, thank you.

But I'm using a Mac and it looks like that tool is not available here in the 
SDK tools folder.
Maybe available somewhere in "Android Studio".

And my problem NEVER happened when I'm at home, only during band rehearsals and 
gigs! :-D

> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net

Best

Klaus

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RE: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

2023-09-14 Thread Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
Klaus,

You need to get it using a command prompt via USB. Connect device. Open
command prompt. In the android SDK platform-tools folder... Steps:

1) Clear the log
2) Get you app to crash
3) Get a log

ADB commands below:

ADB logcat -c
Now run your app till crash
ADB logcat


The log can be piped to a file.
In windows it's 

ADB logcat > somefile.txt

The logcat will keep running so on windows a ctrl C will terminate.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


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Of Klaus major-k via use-livecode
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 1:24 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Klaus major-k
Subject: Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

Hi Ralph,

> Am 14.09.2023 um 19:20 schrieb Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
:
> 
> Klaus,
> 
> Get a logcat after a crash

and where can I possibly find one on my tablet?

> and see if Panos can glean anything useful from it. It helped me once 
> identifying and getting a crash fix implemented.
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On 
> Behalf Of Klaus major-k via use-livecode
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 7:01 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: Klaus major-k
> Subject: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> yesterday it* happened again!
> 
> *Around one of twenty times I start my app on my Samsung tablet, I get 
> a black screen.
> 
> I started the tablet, opened my app -> OK quit the app and started 
> again -> OK quit the app and started again -> OK quit the app and 
> attached my USB footswitch started the app -> BLACK SCREEN That also 
> happens without the attached footswitch
> 
> Then I took Jacque's advice and waited a bit and after about
> 30 seconds I got the "Application not responding" alter with two options:
> -> Close app
> -> Wait
> 
> So I clicked "Quit" and could start the app anew without any problem!
> 
> I am really wondering why this happens?!
> 
> On the first card there are just two polygrids with < 10 entries each, 
> loaded "on openstack" on the fly from the folders and files in the 
> resources folder See screenshot here:
> <https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/vsm7c9nhankru3xqhil6p/leadsheeter_card
> _1.png ?rlkey=09o2ljter5hramdhv3gm5x786=0>
> (Ordner = folders)
> NO PDF is loaded yet!
> NO resizestack message, this is just for me and my tablet.
> NO "accelerated rendering" set for the stack
> 
> Any hints very welcome, not sure if I should open a bug report, since 
> this only happens from time to time, about 1 of twenty app starts.
> 
> macOS 12.6.9, LC 9.6.10, Android 8.1, Android API 33

Best

Klaus

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Re: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

2023-09-14 Thread Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
Hi Ralph,

> Am 14.09.2023 um 19:20 schrieb Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Klaus,
> 
> Get a logcat after a crash

and where can I possibly find one on my tablet?

> and see if Panos can glean anything useful from
> it. It helped me once identifying and getting a crash fix implemented.
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
> Of Klaus major-k via use-livecode
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 7:01 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: Klaus major-k
> Subject: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> yesterday it* happened again!
> 
> *Around one of twenty times I start my app on my Samsung tablet, I get a
> black screen.
> 
> I started the tablet, opened my app -> OK quit the app and started again ->
> OK quit the app and started again -> OK quit the app and attached my USB
> footswitch started the app -> BLACK SCREEN That also happens without the
> attached footswitch
> 
> Then I took Jacque's advice and waited a bit and after about
> 30 seconds I got the "Application not responding" alter with two options:
> -> Close app
> -> Wait
> 
> So I clicked "Quit" and could start the app anew without any problem!
> 
> I am really wondering why this happens?!
> 
> On the first card there are just two polygrids with < 10 entries each,
> loaded "on openstack" on the fly from the folders and files in the resources
> folder See screenshot here: 
> <https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/vsm7c9nhankru3xqhil6p/leadsheeter_card_1.png
> ?rlkey=09o2ljter5hramdhv3gm5x786=0>
> (Ordner = folders)
> NO PDF is loaded yet!
> NO resizestack message, this is just for me and my tablet.
> NO "accelerated rendering" set for the stack
> 
> Any hints very welcome, not sure if I should open a bug report, since this
> only happens from time to time, about 1 of twenty app starts.
> 
> macOS 12.6.9, LC 9.6.10, Android 8.1, Android API 33

Best

Klaus

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RE: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

2023-09-14 Thread Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
Klaus,

Get a logcat after a crash and see if Panos can glean anything useful from
it. It helped me once identifying and getting a crash fix implemented.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net

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Of Klaus major-k via use-livecode
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 7:01 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Klaus major-k
Subject: Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

Hi all,

yesterday it* happened again!

*Around one of twenty times I start my app on my Samsung tablet, I get a
black screen.

I started the tablet, opened my app -> OK quit the app and started again ->
OK quit the app and started again -> OK quit the app and attached my USB
footswitch started the app -> BLACK SCREEN That also happens without the
attached footswitch

Then I took Jacque's advice and waited a bit and after about
30 seconds I got the "Application not responding" alter with two options:
-> Close app
-> Wait

So I clicked "Quit" and could start the app anew without any problem!

I am really wondering why this happens?!

On the first card there are just two polygrids with < 10 entries each,
loaded "on openstack" on the fly from the folders and files in the resources
folder See screenshot here: 
<https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/vsm7c9nhankru3xqhil6p/leadsheeter_card_1.png
?rlkey=09o2ljter5hramdhv3gm5x786=0>
(Ordner = folders)
NO PDF is loaded yet!
NO resizestack message, this is just for me and my tablet.
NO "accelerated rendering" set for the stack

Any hints very welcome, not sure if I should open a bug report, since this
only happens from time to time, about 1 of twenty app starts.

macOS 12.6.9, LC 9.6.10, Android 8.1, Android API 33



Best

Klaus
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Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

2023-09-14 Thread Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
Hi all,

yesterday it* happened again!

*Around one of twenty times I start my app on my Samsung tablet, 
I get a black screen.

I started the tablet, opened my app -> OK
quit the app and started again -> OK
quit the app and started again -> OK
quit the app and attached my USB footswitch
started the app -> BLACK SCREEN
That also happens without the attached footswitch

Then I took Jacque's advice and waited a bit and after about 
30 seconds I got the "Application not responding" alter with 
two options:
-> Close app
-> Wait

So I clicked "Quit" and could start the app anew without any problem!

I am really wondering why this happens?!

On the first card there are just two polygrids with < 10 entries each,
loaded "on openstack" on the fly from the folders and files in the resources 
folder
See screenshot here: 

(Ordner = folders)
NO PDF is loaded yet!
NO resizestack message, this is just for me and my tablet.
NO "accelerated rendering" set for the stack

Any hints very welcome, not sure if I should open a bug report, since this
only happens from time to time, about 1 of twenty app starts.

macOS 12.6.9, LC 9.6.10, Android 8.1, Android API 33



Best

Klaus
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Android ANR (App not responding | Jacque was right :-)

2023-09-14 Thread Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
Hi all,

yesterday it* happened again!

*Around one of twenty times I start my app on my Samsung tablet, 
I get a black screen.

I started the tablet, opened my app -> OK
quit the app and started again -> OK
quit the app and started again -> OK
quit the app and attached my USB footswitch
started the app -> BLACK SCREEN
That also happens without the attached footswitch

Then I took Jacque's advice and waited a bit and after about 
30 seconds I got the "Application not responding" alter with 
two options:
-> Close app
-> Wait

So I clicked "Quit" and could start the app anew without any problem!

I am really wondering why this happens?!

On the first card there are just two polygrids with < 10 entries each,
loaded "on openstack" on the fly from the folders and files in the resources 
folder
See screenshot here: 

(Ordner = folders)
NO PDF is loaded yet!
NO resizestack message, this is just for me and my tablet.
NO "accelerated rendering" set for the stack

Any hints very welcome, not sure if I should open a bug report, since this
only happens from time to time, about 1 of twenty app starts.

macOS 12.6.9, LC 9.6.10, Android 8.1, Android API 33



Best

Klaus
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Klaus Major
https://www.major-k.de
https://www.major-k.de/bass
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