Re: Fwd: mergExt pricing changes and free externals

[Mark Wieder]

Peter-

Saturday, July 14, 2012, 7:32:54 PM, you wrote:

> what if I want the whole discussion thread included?

tl;dr

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Re: Fwd: mergExt pricing changes and free externals

[Peter Haworth]

Sure I learned my lesson, but what if I want the whole discussion thread
included?  Just think in this day and age of cheap disk space, 15kb is an
ancient limit, although there has to be a limit of some sort.
Pete
lcSQL Software 



On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Mark Wieder  wrote:

> Pete-
>
> Saturday, July 14, 2012, 6:19:02 PM, you wrote:
>
> > Sorry for the froward on this.  My first attempt was rejected becuae the
> > email was over 15kb.  Does anyone other than me think that's so 20th
> > century!
>
> Not on a listserv, no. I can't think of anything I have to say to a
> list that would take that much text. If you hit the limit because you
> quoted the entire discussion that went before then maybe there's a
> lesson learned.
>
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>  mwie...@ahsoftware.net
>
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Re: Fwd: mergExt pricing changes and free externals

[Mark Wieder]

Pete-

Saturday, July 14, 2012, 6:19:02 PM, you wrote:

> Sorry for the froward on this.  My first attempt was rejected becuae the
> email was over 15kb.  Does anyone other than me think that's so 20th
> century!

Not on a listserv, no. I can't think of anything I have to say to a
list that would take that much text. If you hit the limit because you
quoted the entire discussion that went before then maybe there's a
lesson learned.

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Fwd: mergExt pricing changes and free externals

[Peter Haworth]

ANother forward becaus of earlier rejection….
Pete
lcSQL Software 



-- Forwarded message --
From: Peter Haworth 
Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: mergExt pricing changes and free externals
To: How to use LiveCode 


Hi Monte,
Some comments interspersed below.
Pete
lcSQL Software 



On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Monte Goulding  wrote:

> Hi Peter
>
> I believe OS x toolbars are under development by Seao Sean at the moment.
> Ill try and make contact with him to see if he would like help taking his
> externals to market.
>

Yes, I've seen that on the forum and have tried the trial.  But it's far
from complete and haven't seen any posts about if and when it will be
complete.  You seem to have the drive to get these things to market.

>
> I would think much of the address book access from ios would be the same
> on OS X so it may be possible to convince runrev to include it on desktop.
>

Seao Sean started an address book external several months ago, but once
again it never made it to market.  Alos, I'd probably add access to the MAc
Calendar to the list.

>
> For SQLite I'm going to ask runrev to open source or at least provide
> access to source for all their externals. I believe this would be allow
> myself and others a chance to learn some tricks of the trade that runrev
> don't have time to document. It would also allow (depending on licensing)
> custom versions to be released.
>

Getting their source code would help I'm sure, certainly as far as getting
access to useful functions that RunRev havenn't exposed to LC users.  For
example, there's one that allows you to set a callback to be called at
regular intervals duting long running db operations so you update a
progress indicator of some sort.  There's several others.

In addition to the, the library they include is around 18 months and 7
releases out of date and there have been several new features in sqlite
since than.  WAL locking, more virtual table types, etc.  I don;t know how
you can handle that since it would require a newer sqlite library to be
included in LC.  Maybe that's what you mean but "customised versions"?


> The sandboxing stuff would appear to be an obvious one for the engine and
> given it would probably take someone like mark waddingham all of an hour to
> implement I would expect runrev to pick up on this. Have a few good rants
> about it on the dev list (usually works for me).


Well I haven't ranted on the dev list but I (and I think several others)
have entered QCC reports and had zero response.  I hope you're right but to
be honest, I doubt anything much is likley to be added to the desktop side
of LC for a long wile, since RunRev are clearly putting almost all their
resources into mobile.
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Fwd: mergExt pricing changes and free externals

[Peter Haworth]

Sorry for the froward on this.  My first attempt was rejected becuae the
email was over 15kb.  Does anyone other than me think that's so 20th
century!
Pete
lcSQL Software 



-- Forwarded message --
From: Peter Haworth 
Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: mergExt pricing changes and free externals
To: How to use LiveCode 


See below.
Pete
lcSQL Software 



On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Monte Goulding  wrote:

> On 15/07/2012, at 6:56 AM, Andrew Henshaw  wrote:
>
> > Ive stopped writing for the Mac App Store as its impossible to access
> files outside of the sandbox without the security scoped bookmarks,  if an
> external existed that allowed it (even though it should be in the main
> livecode product imo)
>
> Right there is the reason I can't justify doing this over other externals.
> I could probably have this done for you by the end of the week but there's
> really probably only a handful of lc developers trying to tackle sandboxing
> at the moment and of them how many will decide to take the rant on the dev
> list approach rather than buy the external. Ive been here before with
> mergXattr which as far as I know resulted in 0 sales but I implemented
> because someone was getting rejected from the app store.
>

Yep, I understand that, but the same principal applies to RunRev's
evaluation of whether to provide this or not.  I think you'd be surprised
at how many LC devs would put stuff into the APple store it they weren't
stopped dead in their tracks by this and a couple of other issues that just
aren't possible directly in LC.
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