Re: If you don't read the forums

[William Prothero]

Folks:
When Director added new code styles, it used a property called 
“scriptExecutionStyle” which you could set to maintain some older statements.

One of the problems with just using older versions is that there may be 
critical unfixed bugs and the dev team wouldn’t want to be required to spend 
time fixing them. It would be a “buyer beware” situation, which might be ok if 
explicit.

I only have a single app and am pretty new to Livecode, so my opinion shouldn’t 
carry a lot of weight re legacy features. That said, one of the things that 
makes me optimistic about LiveCode’s future is the modernization, bug fixing, 
and enhancement effort that is being put into it. After a dismal experience 
with Director and Adobe’s abandonment of a really nice development platform, 
I’m definitely gun-shy of moldy old software that is not evolving.

I cast my vote for going ahead and, with some notice and time for developers to 
adjust, make changes that make the engine better, more consistent with 
established practices, and easier to maintain.

Best,
Bill

William A. Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org/

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Re: If you don't read the forums

[Richard Gaskin]

Chris Sheffield wrote:

> Thanks for the heads up. Would have never known about it otherwise…

You probably would once the basics were sorted out.

As with the introduction of byteToNum, trueWord, and other changes to 
the engine, since the engine has gone open source RunRev has a good 
track record of maintaining transparent process for new initiatives.


The Engine Contributors section of the forums is where a lot of both 
near-term and far-reaching ideas for the engine get fleshed out.


Nothing in Mark's range of proposals has been implemented yet, and 
indeed it's a *range* of proposals, not yet finalized into a single 
initiative.


Like the rest of the Open Source forums, the Engine Contributors section 
is available to everyone. All earnest participation in the spirit of 
those working groups there is of course welcome.


--
 Richard Gaskin
 LiveCode Community Manager
 rich...@livecode.org

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Re: If you don't read the forums

[Colin Holgate]

I’ll have to work out my forum login, it’s not working right now. But on the 
topic in question, here are a couple of examples from the history of Flash, 
that might help:

When Flash 9 came out Adobe introduced ActionScript 3. It was radically 
different than ActionScript 2, and some of the ways you could work in AS2 were 
no longer supported. But, you could still choose to make an AS2 document if you 
wanted. That ability was supported for at least three major versions before it 
was dropped. People have mostly coped, and keep a copy of CS6 around just in 
case.

Even within AS3 documents there were file differences from version to version, 
and Flash would support two version back, you could do a Save As to the two 
previous versions.

Starting with CS5.5 they made the file format future proof. You will be able to 
take a Flash Professional Creative Cloud 2025 document and open it in CS5.5. 
Any new features you had used wouldn’t work, but at least you could get at the 
media, and if you hadn’t used newer features, you could do a Save As to get an 
authentic CS5.5 document.

Back to LiveCode, it could do something similar, but better. From now on you 
would choose LiveCode Legacy, or LiveCode, as the stack type, and unlike Flash 
keep that ability around forever. Also, make it be that LiveCode 8.0 file 
format is future proof, and that it could open a LiveCode 10 document, to at 
least use the LiveCode 8 features in that stack.



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Re: If you don't read the forums

[Peter TB Brett]

On 2015-03-10 20:31, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Chris Sheffield wrote:


Thanks for the heads up. Would have never known about it otherwise…


You probably would once the basics were sorted out.

As with the introduction of byteToNum, trueWord, and other changes to
the engine, since the engine has gone open source RunRev has a good
track record of maintaining transparent process for new initiatives.

The Engine Contributors section of the forums is where a lot of both
near-term and far-reaching ideas for the engine get fleshed out.

Nothing in Mark's range of proposals has been implemented yet, and
indeed it's a *range* of proposals, not yet finalized into a single
initiative.

Like the rest of the Open Source forums, the Engine Contributors
section is available to everyone. All earnest participation in the
spirit of those working groups there is of course welcome.


You definitely don't need to work for LiveCode to keep track of the 
evolution of the platform, or even to get involved!  We do all of the 
development of the LiveCode engine completely in the open.


You can monitor and discuss changes going into LiveCode in real time via 
our Github projects  and via our bug tracker 
.


We recently made it possible for anyone to browse our bug database 
without needing to create an account.


We're committed to transparency, and we're always looking for ways to 
improve our open source development process.


   Peter

--
Dr Peter Brett
LiveCode Engine Development Team


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Re: If you don't read the forums

[Richard Gaskin]

William Prothero wrote:

> When Director added new code styles, it used a property called
> “scriptExecutionStyle” which you could set to maintain some
> older statements.

You and Colin will be glad to know that's one of Mark Waddingham's 
proposals, a global property which would preserve some older behaviors 
where practical for the relatively few language tokens that may change.


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 Richard Gaskin
 LiveCode Community Manager
 rich...@livecode.org


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Re: If you don't read the forums

[Peter Haworth]

I very rarely used to look at the forums but I discovered the option to get
a daily digest of new posts by email.  That works great for me as I can
quickly scan through the email and find the posts I might have an interest
in.

In this case, I'm glad Jacque brought it to our attentions; it's certainly
important enough that I'm sure everyone should know about it.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:10 AM Chris Sheffield 
wrote:

> Thanks for the heads up. Would have never known about it otherwise…
>
> > On Mar 10, 2015, at 11:45 AM, J. Landman Gay 
> wrote:
> >
> > Devs who have been working with LC for some time and who don't read the
> forums may want to take a look at this thread and provide input:
> >
> > 
> >
> > I think it is an important question which will affect the development of
> the engine moving forward and, since I'm undecided, I'd like to read other
> people's ideas about it.
> >
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Re: If you don't read the forums

[Chris Sheffield]

Thanks for the heads up. Would have never known about it otherwise…

> On Mar 10, 2015, at 11:45 AM, J. Landman Gay  wrote:
> 
> Devs who have been working with LC for some time and who don't read the 
> forums may want to take a look at this thread and provide input:
> 
> 
> 
> I think it is an important question which will affect the development of the 
> engine moving forward and, since I'm undecided, I'd like to read other 
> people's ideas about it.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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RE: If you don't read the forums

[Ralph DiMola]

Jacque,

Thanks I am ashamed to admit that I fall into this category " > Jacqueline
Landman Gay  wrote==>This is an important enough question that I think it
should go on the mailing list as well as this forum. There are lots of pro
developers there who rarely or never visit the forums,"

Alot to think about Hmmm..

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


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Subject: If you don't read the forums

Devs who have been working with LC for some time and who don't read the
forums may want to take a look at this thread and provide input:

<http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=23490>

I think it is an important question which will affect the development of the
engine moving forward and, since I'm undecided, I'd like to read other
people's ideas about it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com

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If you don't read the forums

[J. Landman Gay]

Devs who have been working with LC for some time and who don't read the 
forums may want to take a look at this thread and provide input:




I think it is an important question which will affect the development of 
the engine moving forward and, since I'm undecided, I'd like to read 
other people's ideas about it.


--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com

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