Re: Installing iOS SDK and Xcode on Windows 7.

[Roger Eller]

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Warren Samples wrote:

> On Friday, July 29, 2011 12:04:49 PM Roger Eller wrote:
> > running natively on brand new i7 machines with high-end
> > video cards.
>
>
> The Hackintosh is not a great secret, and indeed there is no reason for OS
> X not to run beautifully on non-
> Apple hardware once the issues of booting and certain drivers are
> overcome...


Agreed.


> I think the sort of statement you make presents unwarranted
> discouragement to those who may otherwise find virtualization a very useful
> and convenient tool for certain
> purposes.
>

As I stated, the only vm of OS X that I have seen was 'years' ago.  If it
has been improved, and you find it useful, that is great news!  I sincerely
hope Apple someday will encourage everyone to buy a copy.  I think
eventually, they will.  I only discourage using without paying.


>
> Best,
>
> Warren
>
>
~Roger
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Re: Installing iOS SDK and Xcode on Windows 7.

[Hyberson Pereira]

Warren,

*"What I find most curious about the original post, is how does the OP
propose to implement this if he cannot also test it?"*


Unfortunately at the moment I cannot meet the
requirementsto
test the setup, for I don't have the hardware or the software to do
that.

That's exactly why I posted at this forum. If I come to the conclusion that
the setup works, I will invest some money in hardware and software.

Please notice that I did not propose to implement anything.

Best regards,

Hyberson



On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 14:53, Warren Samples  wrote:

> On Friday, July 29, 2011 12:04:49 PM Roger Eller wrote:
> > running natively on brand new i7 machines with high-end
> > video cards.
>
>
> The Hackintosh is not a great secret, and indeed there is no reason for OS
> X not to run beautifully on non-
> Apple hardware once the issues of booting and certain drivers are overcome,
> but the question was regarding
> performance within a virtual machine. I do not suffer any serious degree of
> slowness running any OS inside a
> virtual machine here. I don't particularly encourage the venture proposed
> by the OP, and am very disturbed by
> the preoccupation of the author of the article he references with avoided
> paying what are legitimate fees, but
> my experience does not support your prediction. I think the sort of
> statement you make presents unwarranted
> discouragement to those who may otherwise find virtualization a very useful
> and convenient tool for certain
> purposes.
>
> What I find most curious about the original post, is how does the OP
> propose to implement this if he cannot
> also test it? It makes me think of a post I saw the other day in a forum,
> "Here fishy fishy..."
>
>
> Best,
>
> Warren
>
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Re: Installing iOS SDK and Xcode on Windows 7.

[Warren Samples]

On Friday, July 29, 2011 12:04:49 PM Roger Eller wrote:
> running natively on brand new i7 machines with high-end
> video cards.


The Hackintosh is not a great secret, and indeed there is no reason for OS X 
not to run beautifully on non-
Apple hardware once the issues of booting and certain drivers are overcome, but 
the question was regarding 
performance within a virtual machine. I do not suffer any serious degree of 
slowness running any OS inside a 
virtual machine here. I don't particularly encourage the venture proposed by 
the OP, and am very disturbed by 
the preoccupation of the author of the article he references with avoided 
paying what are legitimate fees, but 
my experience does not support your prediction. I think the sort of statement 
you make presents unwarranted 
discouragement to those who may otherwise find virtualization a very useful and 
convenient tool for certain 
purposes.

What I find most curious about the original post, is how does the OP propose to 
implement this if he cannot 
also test it? It makes me think of a post I saw the other day in a forum, "Here 
fishy fishy..."


Best,

Warren

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Re: Installing iOS SDK and Xcode on Windows 7.

[Roger Eller]

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Warren Samples wrote:

> On Friday, July 29, 2011 10:09:13 AM Roger Eller wrote:
> > it would be prohibitively slow "in a vm"
>
> Roger,
>
> Have you some disappointing experience running vms? My own experience
> running VirtualBox is that the guest OSs
> run quite snappily. I cannot recommend that one rely on a virtualized OS
> for development purposes because
> certain OS features are bound to be tied to hardware features that the vm
> won't provide. That said, for many
> purposes, including some kinds of testing during development, they are very
> usable and useful indeed.
>
> Best,
>
> Warren
>
>
A few years ago, I remember seeing a video of Leopard running in a vm, maybe
even Snow Leopard. It could not utilise quartz/core graphics, and the
hard-drive was not a real partition, there was no 3D acceleration or access
to the video card, so it made the overall system appear slow.  But according
to what the tonymac people are saying, it doesn't have to be this way. They
seem to now have it running natively on brand new i7 machines with high-end
video cards.
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Re: Installing iOS SDK and Xcode on Windows 7.

[Warren Samples]

On Friday, July 29, 2011 10:09:13 AM Roger Eller wrote:
> it would be prohibitively slow "in a vm"

Roger, 

Have you some disappointing experience running vms? My own experience running 
VirtualBox is that the guest OSs 
run quite snappily. I cannot recommend that one rely on a virtualized OS for 
development purposes because 
certain OS features are bound to be tied to hardware features that the vm won't 
provide. That said, for many 
purposes, including some kinds of testing during development, they are very 
usable and useful indeed. 

Best,

Warren


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Re: Installing iOS SDK and Xcode on Windows 7.

[Roger Eller]

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 4:14 AM, Shao Sean wrote:

> I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure iOS dev is limited to Mac Only. :\
>>
>
> They are running the tools in a virtual machine so as far as the software
> is aware it is running on a Mac..
>
>
True, the software would not know the difference, but the user definitely
would because it would be prohibitively slow "in a vm".  I googled
"tonymac", and found that people apparently are running directly on i5 and
i7 machines with the OS installed directly from purchased retail install
media.  Due to Apple licensing restrictions, one can't use such a system in
a business, but it is quite interesting what is technically possible.
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Re: Installing iOS SDK and Xcode on Windows 7.

[Hyberson Pereira]

Would LiveCode for iOS work in such an environment?



On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 05:14, Shao Sean  wrote:

> I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure iOS dev is limited to Mac Only. :\
>>
>
> They are running the tools in a virtual machine so as far as the software
> is aware it is running on a Mac..
>
>
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Re: Installing iOS SDK and Xcode on Windows 7.

[Shao Sean]

I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure iOS dev is limited to Mac  
Only. :\


They are running the tools in a virtual machine so as far as the  
software is aware it is running on a Mac..


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Re: Installing iOS SDK and Xcode on Windows 7.

[Andrew Kluthe]

I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure iOS dev is limited to Mac Only. :\ 

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Installing iOS SDK and Xcode on Windows 7.

[Hyberson Pereira]

Hi everyone.

I'm new here.

Has anyone read
http://ipodtoucher55.blogspot.com/2010/12/installing-ios-sdk-and-xcode-on-windows.html?

Unfortunately I can't test the procedure.

The important question to me would be: if it is possible to use iOS SDK on
Windows, will it be possible to use LiveCode for iOS on Windows?

Thank you for your attention.

Best regards,

Hyberson
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