Re: Koding vm cloud development
My remark is probably OT, but I'm still reluctant in putting my clients' data in the cloud, and prefer to keep them on our own servers... Just curious : what is your approach to the problem all of you guys ? Best, jbv koding.com is a pretty cool cloud development site, they've got a chrome extension that lets you connect to a VM to do development. https://koding.com/R/mwieder if you sign up with that link you get 5GB of storage this week only (four more days). The site is pretty busy now because of the promotion, but I got in after a few tries. https://koding.com/R/mwieder -- ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Koding vm cloud development
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 1:29 AM, j...@souslelogo.com wrote: servers... Just curious : what is your approach to the problem all of you guys ? Best, jbv I would trust somebody like Amazon more than my own security team. But I think I would rather wait until we hear from Richard Gaskin. *--* *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words* ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Koding vm cloud development
Hi jbv Yes I keep client's data on my on-rev account servers (I got the lifetime option), on their servers, or on Dropbox in a variety of methods Regarding koding.com - I just signed up to have a play with it later on sometime. Very unlikely to put client's data on there but might use it for some of the non-profit projects I'm involved with Kind regards Dave Kilroy Application Insight Web: www.applicationinsight.com Email: d...@applicationinsight.com Twitter: @App_Insight_ Tel: (0845) 337 2995 Application Insight is part of Social Enterprise Outcomes Ltd, registered in England (company registration no: 05761203) Registered Office: 22 Hartley Park Gardens, Plymouth PL3 5HU http://www.socialenterpriseoutcomes.co.uk The contents and any attachments of this electronic mail message are confidential and intended only for the named addressees. Dissemination, forwarding, publication or other use of the message or attachments by any unauthorised person is strictly prohibited. Unless stated to the contrary, any opinions expressed in this message are personal and may not be attributed to Application Insight or Social Enterprise Outcomes Ltd. On 31 Jan 2014, at 09:29, jbv [via Runtime Revolution] ml-node+s278305n4675353...@n4.nabble.com wrote: My remark is probably OT, but I'm still reluctant in putting my clients' data in the cloud, and prefer to keep them on our own servers... Just curious : what is your approach to the problem all of you guys ? Best, jbv koding.com is a pretty cool cloud development site, they've got a chrome extension that lets you connect to a VM to do development. https://koding.com/R/mwieder if you sign up with that link you get 5GB of storage this week only (four more days). The site is pretty busy now because of the promotion, but I got in after a few tries. https://koding.com/R/mwieder -- ___ use-livecode mailing list [hidden email] Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Koding-vm-cloud-development-tp4675341p4675353.html To unsubscribe from Koding vm cloud development, click here. NAML - Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them. - William Shakespeare Hugh Senior -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Koding-vm-cloud-development-tp4675341p4675355.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Koding vm cloud development
Hi jbv, The on-rev platform represents probably one of the most trustables solutions we can find around and i'm hosting all my clients solutions on it with great confidence. The on-rev team moved last year its servers to a first class professional-grade ISP than it used to be before and the servers configuration and security went very strongly improved along this move. Last but not least, the on-rev team can help you with special services offer such as reasonable priced dedicated servers if your needs goes up to such kind of solutions. In all cases, urgent support requests are permanently managed at the best level on a less than one hour response delay basis. Best Regards, Pierre Le 31 janv. 2014 à 10:49, Dave Kilroy a écrit : Hi jbv Yes I keep client's data on my on-rev account servers (I got the lifetime option), on their servers, or on Dropbox in a variety of methods Regarding koding.com - I just signed up to have a play with it later on sometime. Very unlikely to put client's data on there but might use it for some of the non-profit projects I'm involved with Kind regards Dave Kilroy Application Insight Web: www.applicationinsight.com Email: d...@applicationinsight.com Twitter: @App_Insight_ Tel: (0845) 337 2995 Application Insight is part of Social Enterprise Outcomes Ltd, registered in England (company registration no: 05761203) Registered Office: 22 Hartley Park Gardens, Plymouth PL3 5HU http://www.socialenterpriseoutcomes.co.uk The contents and any attachments of this electronic mail message are confidential and intended only for the named addressees. Dissemination, forwarding, publication or other use of the message or attachments by any unauthorised person is strictly prohibited. Unless stated to the contrary, any opinions expressed in this message are personal and may not be attributed to Application Insight or Social Enterprise Outcomes Ltd. On 31 Jan 2014, at 09:29, jbv [via Runtime Revolution] ml-node+s278305n4675353...@n4.nabble.com wrote: My remark is probably OT, but I'm still reluctant in putting my clients' data in the cloud, and prefer to keep them on our own servers... Just curious : what is your approach to the problem all of you guys ? Best, jbv koding.com is a pretty cool cloud development site, they've got a chrome extension that lets you connect to a VM to do development. https://koding.com/R/mwieder if you sign up with that link you get 5GB of storage this week only (four more days). The site is pretty busy now because of the promotion, but I got in after a few tries. https://koding.com/R/mwieder -- ___ use-livecode mailing list [hidden email] Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Koding-vm-cloud-development-tp4675341p4675353.html To unsubscribe from Koding vm cloud development, click here. NAML - Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them. - William Shakespeare Hugh Senior -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Koding-vm-cloud-development-tp4675341p4675355.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Koding vm cloud development
stephen barncard wrote: jbv wrote: My remark is probably OT, but I'm still reluctant in putting my clients' data in the cloud, and prefer to keep them on our own servers... Just curious : what is your approach to the problem all of you guys ? I would trust somebody like Amazon more than my own security team. But I think I would rather wait until we hear from Richard Gaskin. Thank you for the kind words, Stephen, but I usually just do whatever Pierre suggests. :) JBV: is the client data a LiveCode project, or something else? There's a wide range of options for both, with tons of cloud stuff available for free. For team management of LiveCode projects I have a system in progress I mentioned here an embarrassingly long time ago, back then I was referring to it as RevCloud: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2010-June/142386.html It turns out that the backend for that has been useful in other scenarios, from student records to custom CMS solutions. So the upside is that those client projects have moved the platform along well, but the downside is that they've kept me too busy to complete the front-end for the original scenario, LiveCode project management. Hopefully time will free up later this year to finish that. But it's not too hard to ad hoc your way into a simple solution to get a specific job done. With what I used to call RevCloud I spent a lot of time making a custom data store because I have other needs for it down the road that will have some unusually tight memory and CPU limits I need to accommodate. But if instead you take a saner path and use MySQL or even SQLite you can snap together something useful in a few days. And if your needs are more general there are tools like OwnCloud where you can build custom cloud solutions while still leveraging lots of excellent work from really smart devs. For security, maybe I'm lax but I feel that if SSL certs are good enough for banking and medical records they're more than sufficient for any industrial espionage that might be a risk with client projects. :) And libURL makes it easy to use both custom and shared certs, the latter being a fairly cheap option with most hosting companies. There are other aspects to security beyond encrypting the data stream, and Stephen is wise to suggest letting others who specialize in that handle as much as you can offload to them. But like everything else in computing (and perhaps all of life), it's all about tradeoffs. With cloud solutions the tradeoffs often involve cost, flexibility, security, and more. You can choose a solution that optimizes for two or more, but not likely all. If flexibility is critical and the nature of the client data doesn't involve nuclear secrets, you may be pleasantly surprised how nice it is to work with Ubuntu Server on a VPS, or even on a small box in your office if you connection will allow it. Right out of the box Ubuntu's firewall is locked down pretty tight (in the default configuration it doesn't even allow SSH until you turn it on). And if you take the five minutes needed to set up a shared key for password-free login, it's not only more secure but oh so convenient to access. On any server your auth.log will show hundreds of attempt to break in every day, and when you're just getting started it can be pretty alarming. But with my fairly stock Ubuntu/LAMP/LiveCode test system here in my office, on a fixed IP and outside my hardware firewall where it's easy for bots to find, so far no attempts have been successful. I'm not a security expert, and if a system is critical it's probably a good idea to hire one, even if you use an outside vendor for your cloud services. Penetration testing services are often well worth the investment when the stakes are high. There are many potential points of failure in online systems, from injection attacks (relatively easy to avoid with modest effort) to buffer overruns (to which I'm told LiveCode is almost entirely immune), and more. Many of these risks are inherent to the app you're building, even when you're configuring something off-the-shelf, so even with an external service like Amazon we can't get lax about security. But on balance, everything is hackable and most of our work doesn't involve nuclear secrets. Take reasonable precautions, remain willing to learn, and stay on top of updates to all aspects of the system, and chances are your system will survive at least as well as Target's. :) And if you just want to share files, I've been enjoying Ubuntu One with its native clients for OS X, Windows, iOS, Android, and of course Linux - here's some tips on setting it up for folder sharing: http://www.howtogeek.com/117064/how-to-share-files-online-with-ubuntu-one/ Ubuntu One offers 5GB for free, and if you decide to explore it you can sign up with this link and you and I both will get an additional free 500 MB:
Re: Koding vm cloud development
Dave- Friday, January 31, 2014, 1:49:12 AM, you wrote: Regarding koding.com - I just signed up to have a play with it later on sometime. Very unlikely to put client's data on there but might use it for some of the non-profit projects I'm involved with Agreed. I have a koding account set up so I can test things in a sandbox before deploying into the real world. I hadn't thought of storing real data (client's or my own) there and I'd have to think seriously about issues of security, failover, authentication, etc before I did so. The normal things that you have to consider when looking for a cloud platform. -- -Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Koding vm cloud development
koding.com is a pretty cool cloud development site, they've got a chrome extension that lets you connect to a VM to do development. https://koding.com/R/mwieder if you sign up with that link you get 5GB of storage this week only (four more days). The site is pretty busy now because of the promotion, but I got in after a few tries. https://koding.com/R/mwieder -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Koding vm cloud development
Thanks Mark, looks good and have just signed up :) - Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them. - William Shakespeare Hugh Senior -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Koding-vm-cloud-development-tp4675341p4675342.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
