Re: Livecodeshare/SampleStacks
Richard, no problem checking. It looks promising. A little bit of myself and a very late introduction ;-) I have been following LiveCode from 2010 resulting in a license of 5.5. Because of my professional work (Visual Basic 6/T-SQL followed up by C#/SQL Server/ASP .NET until now and a bit of Dart/Flutter) I had not enough time to put my hands really on it but reading the docs, the forum and RunRev Magazine (!) was a pleasant hobby in my spare time. In 2014 I was contacted by Packt Publishing if I was interested in reviewing a new book called LiveCode Mobile Development Cook Book written by Dr. Edward Lavieri, https://www.shorturl.at/bMR27 If you scroll down you can read why I was interested doing the review. I like to do programming using visual development tools because it was a blessing after developing business apps with good old Clipper (5.x using OO libraries) so many years in qEdit (!). I knew from Kevin in 2014 that HQ was working hard to implement an open standard as replacement of the old way extensions were built in 5.5. That process took some time so I didn't renew my license. When it became interesting (FFi implementation) I renewed my license from 6.x up till now (Indy). Because of a professional switch in my career, I now have more time to dive really deep in the philosophy of LiveCode and become a contributing member starting first to refresh my knowledge about the messaging system, design patterns (Levure!) etc, LiveCode Script ending with LiveCode Builder. My hands are burning! I have collected an intensive folder with libraries, scripts etc from die hard LiveCode developers I followed all the years so I hope within a period of 6 months to be comfortable writing programs in LiveCode and help fixing the bug list ;-) All the best, Erik Beugelaar https://www.solidit.nl Amsterdam, The Netherlands On 28/10/2019, 03:11, "use-livecode on behalf of Richard Gaskin via use-livecode" wrote: Erik Beugelaar wrote: > Me too no problems loading GoLiveNet (LiveCode 9.5 Indy) Thanks for checking that, Erik. If you do come across an issue please let me know. I have contact info in LiveNet, and of course you can always write me at the address below. LiveNet is fairly simple today, mostly serving as an example of the ease and utility of downloaded stack files. But I have some plans for expanding it if I can get the time, so keeping the current underpinnings working well through LC changes remains a keen interest. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Livecodeshare/SampleStacks
On 10/26/19 9:52 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: Mark Wieder wrote: > On 10/26/19 7:59 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: >> At the moment I'm running Ubuntu 18.04, > > You're aware that's not a supported platform, right? Soon enough... https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22428 Yes, but... "support" for a later build isn't just a matter of updating the documentation. Ubuntu 18 uses a newer gcc and compiling the source requires a few changes to the build files. I have to patch the build files every time I build from source locally. It's just a matter of the team deciding it's time to move forward. https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/7127 -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Livecodeshare/SampleStacks
Me too no problems loading GoLiveNet (LiveCode 9.5 Indy) On 27/10/2019, 04:06, "use-livecode on behalf of Richard Gaskin via use-livecode" wrote: A bit ago I wrote: > hh wrote: >> Also your "GoLiveNet" (I really liked it) is unusable since more than a >> year from Mac using Indy or Business (I wrote you and gave up). >> >> [It errors with message 'Error downloading URL "liveNet.livecode.gz". >> Check network connection and proxy setup.' >> One has to quit, open it in a community edition, quit community edition, >> restart the Indy/Bussiness edition and relaunch GoLiveNet (that now can >> use the cache). > > Check your spam bin. I recall thanking you for your report, and also > noting in my reply that I was unable to reproduce it. I just tried it > again a moment ago - same good result. > > I can check on macOS and Windows when I'm back in the office. May be > good to know which you're using. > > At the moment I'm running Ubuntu 18.04, and I do nearly all of my work > with an Indy edition, currently 9.5 on this laptop. FWIW I just ran Development -> Plugins -> GoLiveNet on macOS "Catalina" and Windows 10 v1909, and it loaded without issue. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Livecodeshare/SampleStacks
Mark Wieder wrote: > On 10/26/19 7:59 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: >> At the moment I'm running Ubuntu 18.04, > > You're aware that's not a supported platform, right? Soon enough... https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22428 -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Livecodeshare/SampleStacks
On 10/26/19 7:59 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: At the moment I'm running Ubuntu 18.04, You're aware that's not a supported platform, right? -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Livecodeshare/SampleStacks
A bit ago I wrote: hh wrote: Also your "GoLiveNet" (I really liked it) is unusable since more than a year from Mac using Indy or Business (I wrote you and gave up). [It errors with message 'Error downloading URL "liveNet.livecode.gz". Check network connection and proxy setup.' One has to quit, open it in a community edition, quit community edition, restart the Indy/Bussiness edition and relaunch GoLiveNet (that now can use the cache). Check your spam bin. I recall thanking you for your report, and also noting in my reply that I was unable to reproduce it. I just tried it again a moment ago - same good result. I can check on macOS and Windows when I'm back in the office. May be good to know which you're using. At the moment I'm running Ubuntu 18.04, and I do nearly all of my work with an Indy edition, currently 9.5 on this laptop. FWIW I just ran Development -> Plugins -> GoLiveNet on macOS "Catalina" and Windows 10 v1909, and it loaded without issue. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Livecodeshare/SampleStacks
hh wrote: >> Richard G. wrote: >> I'll try to remember to never try others' scripts using "import >> snapshot", like I'm already in the habit of never thinking about >> having a browser widget, or the ability to play a movie or audio >> file, or have windows layer in an expected fashion... > > The problem is that linux is for LiveCode a tiny niche. Yep. I'm familiar with the stats. In fact, I've even had another list user complain that I reference them too often, but like you I recognize that they are important for understanding ROI, for LC Ltd and for ourselves. True enough, the desktop belongs to Windows. With its 86% market share, the desktop has always been a Windows story and it always will be. Both macOS and Linux are niche players there. Apple has the advantage of the boutique audience willing to spend more than their Win counterparts, so it's worth supporting their OSes. Linux users work the other way, disproportionately into Free and Open software, so biz models dependent on per-seat licensing are challenged there. One unique upside to the Linux audience favors dev tools in general, but not LiveCode specifically: they understand and contribute to open source. Python, Ruby, Perl, PHP - name an open source language (which is most today) and you'll find a thriving contributor base. In contrast, LiveCode's unique history works against contribution. We have disproportionately fewer members versed in C++ than many other languages, so community engine contributions come from about half a dozen people (big THANK YOU to those who have!). And although the one thing all LC devs have in common is a passion for LC Script, and the IDE half of the product is written in LC Script, we still see relatively few pull requests against the IDE. No blame there, it kinda makes sense, given that most of this audience came up age in the '90s when development tools were still proprietary, so we don't have the same contributor culture most other modern languages do. Another factor is the percentage of license holders among experienced users. People who pay for a license feel entitled to a product that works as described, and can be less inclined to effectively pay a second time with labor. Understandable, and quite different from audiences for languages which don't have a dual-license model. MySQL is arguably an exception, but its market share is so uniquely vast that it defies realistic comparisons with anything else. I believe the contribution problem will be addressed over time as the audience grows. The challenge is that the audience grows most slowly on the platform most accustomed to contribution, because it's the platform most seriously in need of contribution. With such a weak out-of-the-box experience, it's an unusually imaginative soul who'll try LC on Linux and get excited about the potential. A common phrase I hear is "It looks like they don't care about Linux." > And much more: > The linux users of the community are kind of "LiveCode masochists". Many Linux users feel the same about other OSes. Aside from the times I'm making fun of myself with a #fanboi tag, in more serious discussions I avoid fannish advocacy. Windows, Mac, and Linux have all proven themselves for their respective audiences. The Pengiuin has nothing to prove, any more than Mac does now that it's rebounded from its 2.2% market share. Indeed, there are more Ubuntu users alone right now than the sum of all Mac users when Steve Jobs returned to Apple. In our modern computing world we have a wealth of strong, viable options for every taste. With OSes as with languages and text editors and hardware and the rest, enjoy what works for you. > Some are so advanced with that, that they meanwhile feel *very* strong > pain only (your list above). Ah, but the point there was apparently lost in my poor writing. I generally have no such limitations on the platform I currently spend the most time with. Browsers, video editors, text editors, email, graphics tools -- pretty much everything I've enjoyed doing from my years when I spent more time on Mac, and the years I spent more time on Windows, all work excellently here on Ubuntu too. The exception to that LiveCode. > For example you didn't even notice that SampleStacks didn't work for > weeks when using Business or Indy and, despite notification in the > list, both livecodeshare and SampleStacks didn't loamanyd stacks of > size > 2 MByte for two days. Yeah, been working. Though I've read nearly every message on this list since it started, I miss a few. > Also your "GoLiveNet" (I really liked it) is unusable since more than > a year from Mac using Indy or Business (I wrote you and gave up). > > [It errors with message 'Error downloading URL "liveNet.livecode.gz". > Check network connection and proxy setup.' > One has to quit, open it in a community edition, quit community > edition, restart the Indy/Bussiness
Re: Livecodeshare/SampleStacks
Mark Wieder wrote: On 10/26/19 3:52 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: Takes me down memory lane with this growing collection of related/duplicate bugs with snapshot on Linux: https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15900 https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17257 https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20104 I think you mean 15541 instead of 15900 or maybe 15103 Possibly these should all be declared duplicates of a single bug report I thought about that, started to try to figure whether the later ones should be moved to the original, or all moved to the most recent, and I was burning wetware thinking about it it dawned on me: so that there's only one for the team to ignore. Yep. Why spend the time if nothing can be done about it? Since Fraser and Brett left the Linux regressions are piling up. Until either LC Ltd finds the strategic value in platform parity, or I get wealthy enough to hire Fraser to take care of these, I just make a mental note to ignore chunks of the feature set and move on. Fortunately browsers work great on all platforms, so the future looks bright enough to keep me going -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Livecodeshare/SampleStacks
On 10/26/19 3:52 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: Takes me down memory lane with this growing collection of related/duplicate bugs with snapshot on Linux: https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15900 https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17257 https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20104 I think you mean 15541 instead of 15900 or maybe 15103 Possibly these should all be declared duplicates of a single bug report so that there's only one for the team to ignore. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Livecodeshare/SampleStacks
On 10/26/19 5:11 PM, hh via use-livecode wrote: p.s. Mark Wieder wrote an 'ugly workaround' (his own words) for snapshot on linux, I use it in "QRReader". It works well, whether ugly or not, also where the browser widget works (LC 9.0.5 on ubuntu1604). I do have a comment attached to the bug report that mentions that it's probably the second-ugliest bit of code I've ever written. And while it works well as a workaround, it doesn't change the fact that the barebones "import snapshot" command not only doesn't work on linux, but hangs the whole system. And things like that are deadly for increasing market share. Yes, LC on linux is a tiny niche. And it's not likely to get any bigger when basic things don't work as advertised. Can you imagine an LC newbie on linux installing the product, trying the import snapshot command, rebooting their computer, and then not immediately uninstalling? I've done that after first impressions of other software and not looked back. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Livecodeshare/SampleStacks
> Richard G. wrote: > I'll try to remember to never try others' scripts using "import > snapshot", like I'm already in the habit of never thinking about having > a browser widget, or the ability to play a movie or audio file, or have > windows layer in an expected fashion... The problem is that linux is for LiveCode a tiny niche. And much more: The linux users of the community are kind of "LiveCode masochists". Some are so advanced with that, that they meanwhile feel *very* strong pain only (your list above). For example you didn't even notice that SampleStacks didn't work for weeks when using Business or Indy and, despite notification in the list, both livecodeshare and SampleStacks didn't load stacks of size > 2 MByte for two days. Also your "GoLiveNet" (I really liked it) is unusable since more than a year from Mac using Indy or Business (I wrote you and gave up). [It errors with message 'Error downloading URL "liveNet.livecode.gz". Check network connection and proxy setup.' One has to quit, open it in a community edition, quit community edition, restart the Indy/Bussiness edition and relaunch GoLiveNet (that now can use the cache). So probably a tsNet caused bug. It is often too tedious to work around, I still feel the pain, although I like LC on linux (on xubuntu especially).] p.s. Mark Wieder wrote an 'ugly workaround' (his own words) for snapshot on linux, I use it in "QRReader". It works well, whether ugly or not, also where the browser widget works (LC 9.0.5 on ubuntu1604). ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Livecodeshare/SampleStacks
hh wrote: > Livecodeshare/SampleStacks works again: > > 1. With ALL editions (Business/Indy/Community). > 2. The recently appearing size limit has been removed. > > Thank you very much whoever did this. > > Especially SampleStacks from the LC toolbar is very > fast and robust. Just try! Was it not working? Your post made me nostalgic, so I checked it out. Seems to work as well as before, all the way down to the mystifying order of the categories. Alphabetical fall out of fashion? I'm sure there's a logic there, but I'm not smart enough to figure it out. Even downloaded a stack, some snapshot tool with icons whose purpose weren't self-evident. Clicked one to see what would happen. System froze, deep. Had to force-reboot. Don't see that on Linux often. Kinda hard to do. Quite an achievement. Takes me down memory lane with this growing collection of related/duplicate bugs with snapshot on Linux: https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15900 https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17257 https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20104 I'll try to remember to never try others' scripts using "import snapshot", like I'm already in the habit of never thinking about having a browser widget, or the ability to play a movie or audio file, or have windows layer in an expected fashion... ::sigh:: Missing Fraser and Peter, and their valiant efforts at nudging the product back toward something closer to feature parity across platforms... Yeah, nostalgia... -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Livecodeshare/SampleStacks
Yes, indeed . . . Nice!! Roger > On Oct 26, 2019, at 6:03 AM, hh via use-livecode > wrote: > > Livecodeshare/SampleStacks works again: > > 1. With ALL editions (Business/Indy/Community). > 2. The recently appearing size limit has been removed. > > Thank you very much whoever did this. > > Especially SampleStacks from the LC toolbar is very > fast and robust. Just try! > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Livecodeshare/SampleStacks
Livecodeshare/SampleStacks works again: 1. With ALL editions (Business/Indy/Community). 2. The recently appearing size limit has been removed. Thank you very much whoever did this. Especially SampleStacks from the LC toolbar is very fast and robust. Just try! ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Livecodeshare/SampleStacks
Just to inform you.
Once again a ("maintenance"?)-change was done without any
notification.
Livecodeshare/SampleStacks has a new size limit:
If you have a sample stack there that has size > 2.1 Mbyte
(probably 2048 Kbyte) then it downloads from
http://livecodeshare.runrev.com with zero Bytes or displays
"error" in the status bar of "Sample Stacks" respectively.
I already reported it to support this morning. Hopefully
a competent staff member can solve this.
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