Re: Please recommend a text editor
WILCO! ordered from ABE books for 67p On 05/04/2015 16:12, Richard Gaskin wrote: Simon Knight wrote: You raise some interesting and in some ways disturbing questions. Why are we seemingly locked into an endless cycle of replacing working equipment with new more expensive versions? Read Victor Papanek's Design for the Real World. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Please recommend a text editor
On Apr 5, 2015, at 4:20 AM, Peter TB Brett peter.br...@livecode.com wrote: On all other platforms I use GNU Emacs, the one editor to rule them all, the ultimate editor, the true choice of Real Programmers, etc. etc. I refuse to get involved in a theological argument. - Charlie Brown ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Please recommend a text editor
On 2015-04-04 15:52, Shawn Beagle wrote: I’ve used TextWrangler, TextEdit, WebStorm, Coda2, Sublime Text2 3, Brackets, and now use Atom. I prefer Atom, mainly because of the packets manager, and that it’s open source. I'm currently using Atom on OS X. On all other platforms I use GNU Emacs, the one editor to rule them all, the ultimate editor, the true choice of Real Programmers, etc. etc. I've even got a syntax highlighting mode for LiveCode Builder at https://github.com/runrev/livecode/blob/develop/contrib/emacs/livecode-mode.el, but it's a little out of date with the most recent changes to the LCB language. If you're interested in playing with it, please nag me to update it on Wednesday when I get back into the office. Peter -- Dr Peter Brett peter.br...@livecode.com LiveCode Engine Development Team ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Please recommend a text editor
Simon Knight wrote: You raise some interesting and in some ways disturbing questions. Why are we seemingly locked into an endless cycle of replacing working equipment with new more expensive versions? Read Victor Papanek's Design for the Real World. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Please recommend a text editor
On 05/04/15 11:14, Simon Knight wrote: Richmond, You raise some interesting and in some ways disturbing questions. snip That's because I am both interesting and disturbing . . . LOL I remember watching the very good film of Far from the Madding Crowd with Alan Bates and Julie Christie when I was about 14 or 15, and saw the shepherd ruined when one of his dogs pushed all the sheep over the cliff. That image, of all the dead sheep on the shore and Alan Bates doing his oh shit, I'm totally f**ked look, has stuck with me for the past 40 years. I, once, let a sheep dog push me, and the result was disastrous. Never again. However, I have read most of Thomas Hardy's novels and short stories since then :) Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Please recommend a text editor
On 2015-04-04 11:12, Richmond wrote: Where the website refers to Revolution read 'LiveCode', where the website refers to Transcript read whatever-the-heck the programming language in LiveCode is currently called, if anything at all. If it helps, in the office we currently refer to the traditional LiveCode scripting language as LiveCode Script (a.k.a. LCS) and the new LC 8 compile language as LiveCode Builder (a.k.a. LCB). Peter P.S. A very happy Easter to you all, too. -- Dr Peter Brett peter.br...@livecode.com LiveCode Engine Development Team ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Please recommend a text editor
Richmond, You raise some interesting and in some ways disturbing questions. Why are we seemingly locked into an endless cycle of replacing working equipment with new more expensive versions? In early days the improvements were real with greater storage and improved graphics. I bought my first Apple because Acorn Ltd stopped making computers and I could not figure out what I needed in a Windows PC. Initially I was happy to upgrade both hardware and software as OSX improved but then Lion was issued and Apple entered a phase of stagnation coupled with the removal of features such as Rosetta. Unlike you I have purchased a machine running MAC OS Y (Black Hills of Dakota) and its quite like Mountain Lion only with blue buttons. Where possible I have switched off many of the new exciting but pointless features such as transparency. The down sides have been many, most notable being my new computer will not run the older version of Apple Pages and the new version will not open older files, not that surprising perhaps but it has made me review how I store information for the long term. Also, many of my home movies no longer run as the new Quicktime does not recognise the file formats (Its QUICKTIME you dumb piece of S**T!) (yes I know quicktime is a container format but why have they dropped old formats - have they run out of resources?). The upshot is that I am unlikely to purchase a new Mac, especially as I am certain it will have been dumbed down to the level of IOS and have a finger painting interface included. I suspect that I will either give Windows a try or take a leap into the unknown world of Linux. I apologise for raving on and I think I did warn against getting me started but the bottom line is I agree with you. best wishes Simon On 04/04/2015 13:47, Richmond wrote: On 04/04/15 15:10, Simon Knight wrote: I've no objection to the built in script editor (except when it bangs out during debug) especially as I have just re-discovered that if I cut and paste from it I get coloured text. However, I want to create a document that compares Livecode script with VBA code and if I do a cut and paste from the VBA editor I get plain text. I now realise that I can put the VBA through textwrangler and into a Wp such as Bean with any Livecode being inserted with a straight cut and paste. Ah! Appleworks 6. Now it comes from a time when Apple were hungry and software had to work whereas today it just has to look good - but please don't get me started. Why do you think about 8 months ago I bought a second-hand G5 iMac when I had the money for a new Intel iMac running Mac OS Y (Black Hills of Dakota)? 1. Running 10.4.11 the G5 can run Mac OS 9 - and as, a while ago, I invested a lot of money in 3D graphics progs. for Mac OS 9 I'd far rather run them than pay for their successors. 2. Running 10.5.8 with 2 GB RAM it does almost all I need for programming. 3. AppleWorks will be my favourite office suite forever unless somebody produces an exact clone than runs on Linux. It may not have a million bells and whistles, but it does offer all I need, and when compared with LibreOffice, Open Office, Star Office, Think Free Office, MS Office, KOffice, KingSoft Office (yes, I have tried ALL of them), it still looks better than all of them to me - probabaly because it doesn't suffer from feature bloat. See answers to my other posting entitled Please release me, let me go. and ask yourself why, although I really DID like Macintosh computers and the Mac OS, I didn't like Steve Jobs and his heirs, and their non-backwards-compatibility way of thinking. Richmond. As to 'if I want to do script editing in VBA- well I don't really its just that have to ;-) best wishes Simon On 04/04/2015 12:03, Richmond wrote: On 04/04/15 13:18, Simon Knight wrote: Richmond, Many thanks - I will give textwrangler a try, I have used it as a plain text editor but never really dug deep: I have down loaded the Revolution add-in that you pointed me to and may have a try at creating my own. The one thing I have not been able to do is to directly export coloured text to a word processor. The Textwrangler export option remains grayed out but I can get the text by printing to preview and copy and paste from there. best wishes Simon I'm not entirely sure what your objection to the built-in script editor is; as a syntax coloured external editor is much the same sort of thing. However, having said that, I tend to use Appleworks 6 on my G5 iMac running Mac OS 10.5 for editing large scripts where I need to perform bulk search-and-replace operations. Appleworks does not offer syntax colouring, but I use it mainly by doing a copy-paste of an already finished script to modify it via search-and-replace rather than programming per se. If you want to do script-editing like Visual Basic (i.e. one long list rather than lots of little lists in each object) then I
Re: Please recommend a text editor
On 04/04/15 11:48, Simon Knight wrote: Hi, I have to produce some documentation and am looking for an editor (Apple Mac) that will support language syntax colouring. I am experimenting with TextWrangler. The complication is I want to use both Livecode and MS Access VBA code. Do you have any suggestions ? best wishes Simon These may be daft: http://www.bluemangolearning.com/livecode/software/plugins/bbedit-language-module/ remember that TextWrangler is the free version of BBedit. http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/livecode/downloads/stsMLXEditor.htm Where the website refers to Revolution read 'LiveCode', where the website refers to Transcript read whatever-the-heck the programming language in LiveCode is currently called, if anything at all. At the bottom of that page you will see 4 fairly outdated modules to assist you with 4 text editors: your mileage may vary :) Best of luck, Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Please recommend a text editor
On 04/04/15 11:48, Simon Knight wrote: Hi, I have to produce some documentation and am looking for an editor (Apple Mac) that will support language syntax colouring. I am experimenting with TextWrangler. The complication is I want to use both Livecode and MS Access VBA code. Do you have any suggestions ? best wishes Simon ___ Komodo: http://sunny-tdz.com/lab-1007 Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Please recommend a text editor
Richmond, Many thanks - I will give textwrangler a try, I have used it as a plain text editor but never really dug deep: I have down loaded the Revolution add-in that you pointed me to and may have a try at creating my own. The one thing I have not been able to do is to directly export coloured text to a word processor. The Textwrangler export option remains grayed out but I can get the text by printing to preview and copy and paste from there. best wishes Simon On 04/04/2015 10:19, Richmond wrote: On 04/04/15 11:48, Simon Knight wrote: Hi, I have to produce some documentation and am looking for an editor (Apple Mac) that will support language syntax colouring. I am experimenting with TextWrangler. The complication is I want to use both Livecode and MS Access VBA code. Do you have any suggestions ? best wishes Simon ___ Komodo: http://sunny-tdz.com/lab-1007 Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Please recommend a text editor
On 04/04/15 13:18, Simon Knight wrote: Richmond, Many thanks - I will give textwrangler a try, I have used it as a plain text editor but never really dug deep: I have down loaded the Revolution add-in that you pointed me to and may have a try at creating my own. The one thing I have not been able to do is to directly export coloured text to a word processor. The Textwrangler export option remains grayed out but I can get the text by printing to preview and copy and paste from there. best wishes Simon I'm not entirely sure what your objection to the built-in script editor is; as a syntax coloured external editor is much the same sort of thing. However, having said that, I tend to use Appleworks 6 on my G5 iMac running Mac OS 10.5 for editing large scripts where I need to perform bulk search-and-replace operations. Appleworks does not offer syntax colouring, but I use it mainly by doing a copy-paste of an already finished script to modify it via search-and-replace rather than programming per se. If you want to do script-editing like Visual Basic (i.e. one long list rather than lots of little lists in each object) then I suppose your question begins to make sense; the only real problem is at that point you lose the WYSIWYG aspect that is so powerful in LiveCode. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Please recommend a text editor
Hi, I have to produce some documentation and am looking for an editor (Apple Mac) that will support language syntax colouring. I am experimenting with TextWrangler. The complication is I want to use both Livecode and MS Access VBA code. Do you have any suggestions ? best wishes Simon ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Please recommend a text editor
I've no objection to the built in script editor (except when it bangs out during debug) especially as I have just re-discovered that if I cut and paste from it I get coloured text. However, I want to create a document that compares Livecode script with VBA code and if I do a cut and paste from the VBA editor I get plain text. I now realise that I can put the VBA through textwrangler and into a Wp such as Bean with any Livecode being inserted with a straight cut and paste. Ah! Appleworks 6. Now it comes from a time when Apple were hungry and software had to work whereas today it just has to look good - but please don't get me started. As to 'if I want to do script editing in VBA- well I don't really its just that have to ;-) best wishes Simon On 04/04/2015 12:03, Richmond wrote: On 04/04/15 13:18, Simon Knight wrote: Richmond, Many thanks - I will give textwrangler a try, I have used it as a plain text editor but never really dug deep: I have down loaded the Revolution add-in that you pointed me to and may have a try at creating my own. The one thing I have not been able to do is to directly export coloured text to a word processor. The Textwrangler export option remains grayed out but I can get the text by printing to preview and copy and paste from there. best wishes Simon I'm not entirely sure what your objection to the built-in script editor is; as a syntax coloured external editor is much the same sort of thing. However, having said that, I tend to use Appleworks 6 on my G5 iMac running Mac OS 10.5 for editing large scripts where I need to perform bulk search-and-replace operations. Appleworks does not offer syntax colouring, but I use it mainly by doing a copy-paste of an already finished script to modify it via search-and-replace rather than programming per se. If you want to do script-editing like Visual Basic (i.e. one long list rather than lots of little lists in each object) then I suppose your question begins to make sense; the only real problem is at that point you lose the WYSIWYG aspect that is so powerful in LiveCode. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Please recommend a text editor
On 04/04/15 15:10, Simon Knight wrote: I've no objection to the built in script editor (except when it bangs out during debug) especially as I have just re-discovered that if I cut and paste from it I get coloured text. However, I want to create a document that compares Livecode script with VBA code and if I do a cut and paste from the VBA editor I get plain text. I now realise that I can put the VBA through textwrangler and into a Wp such as Bean with any Livecode being inserted with a straight cut and paste. Ah! Appleworks 6. Now it comes from a time when Apple were hungry and software had to work whereas today it just has to look good - but please don't get me started. Why do you think about 8 months ago I bought a second-hand G5 iMac when I had the money for a new Intel iMac running Mac OS Y (Black Hills of Dakota)? 1. Running 10.4.11 the G5 can run Mac OS 9 - and as, a while ago, I invested a lot of money in 3D graphics progs. for Mac OS 9 I'd far rather run them than pay for their successors. 2. Running 10.5.8 with 2 GB RAM it does almost all I need for programming. 3. AppleWorks will be my favourite office suite forever unless somebody produces an exact clone than runs on Linux. It may not have a million bells and whistles, but it does offer all I need, and when compared with LibreOffice, Open Office, Star Office, Think Free Office, MS Office, KOffice, KingSoft Office (yes, I have tried ALL of them), it still looks better than all of them to me - probabaly because it doesn't suffer from feature bloat. See answers to my other posting entitled Please release me, let me go. and ask yourself why, although I really DID like Macintosh computers and the Mac OS, I didn't like Steve Jobs and his heirs, and their non-backwards-compatibility way of thinking. Richmond. As to 'if I want to do script editing in VBA- well I don't really its just that have to ;-) best wishes Simon On 04/04/2015 12:03, Richmond wrote: On 04/04/15 13:18, Simon Knight wrote: Richmond, Many thanks - I will give textwrangler a try, I have used it as a plain text editor but never really dug deep: I have down loaded the Revolution add-in that you pointed me to and may have a try at creating my own. The one thing I have not been able to do is to directly export coloured text to a word processor. The Textwrangler export option remains grayed out but I can get the text by printing to preview and copy and paste from there. best wishes Simon I'm not entirely sure what your objection to the built-in script editor is; as a syntax coloured external editor is much the same sort of thing. However, having said that, I tend to use Appleworks 6 on my G5 iMac running Mac OS 10.5 for editing large scripts where I need to perform bulk search-and-replace operations. Appleworks does not offer syntax colouring, but I use it mainly by doing a copy-paste of an already finished script to modify it via search-and-replace rather than programming per se. If you want to do script-editing like Visual Basic (i.e. one long list rather than lots of little lists in each object) then I suppose your question begins to make sense; the only real problem is at that point you lose the WYSIWYG aspect that is so powerful in LiveCode. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Please recommend a text editor
I’ve used TextWrangler, TextEdit, WebStorm, Coda2, Sublime Text2 3, Brackets, and now use Atom. I prefer Atom, mainly because of the packets manager, and that it’s open source. On Apr 4, 2015, at 04:12, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/04/15 11:48, Simon Knight wrote: Hi, I have to produce some documentation and am looking for an editor (Apple Mac) that will support language syntax colouring. I am experimenting with TextWrangler. The complication is I want to use both Livecode and MS Access VBA code. Do you have any suggestions ? best wishes Simon These may be daft: http://www.bluemangolearning.com/livecode/software/plugins/bbedit-language-module/ remember that TextWrangler is the free version of BBedit. http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/livecode/downloads/stsMLXEditor.htm Where the website refers to Revolution read 'LiveCode', where the website refers to Transcript read whatever-the-heck the programming language in LiveCode is currently called, if anything at all. At the bottom of that page you will see 4 fairly outdated modules to assist you with 4 text editors: your mileage may vary :) Best of luck, Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Please recommend a text editor
On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 6:52 AM, Shawn Beagle shawn...@me.com wrote: I’ve used TextWrangler, TextEdit, WebStorm, Coda2, Sublime Text2 3, Brackets, and now use Atom. I prefer Atom, mainly because of the packets manager, and that it’s open source. I've ended up with Textmate, mainly because there's a code coloring and formatting bundle available from the person that wrote RevIngiter... but I saw this on the ATOM feature list: Import TextMate grammars and themes YES! An 'external' text editor is important to me because my main use of Livecode is for the SERVER, not the desktop. RevIgniter Livecode bundle http://revigniter.com/accessory Atom https://atom.io -- Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
