Re: Informal survey: multiple desktops

[Peter Alcibiades via use-livecode]

Yes, I use them and so do the people for whom I have installed Linux.  

My own use is with Fluxbox on Debian.  I have six or more depending, and
generally start up each app on a new desktop.  Fluxbox also allows you to
put open apps into tabs on one desktop, which is useful if working on
multiple sources of data while writing a document citing them or drawing on
them, and I use that when its useful.  The other nice thing with Fluxbox is
that dragging a window off screen moves it to the next desktop.  So since
all my applications are on shortcuts I often just open in one desktop and
drag.

Others, I now install Debian with MATE, that being the closest thing to the
last good version of Gnome before the Gnome people lost their senses.   MATE
is brilliant, and if you have not tried it, do. Never a single question
after the first introduction about how to do things in it.  It just gets out
of the way. I don't like a conventional desktop which is why I use Fluxbox
myself, but if people want one or are used to one, MATE is the way to go for
them.

The first indicator that someone moving from Windows has integrated Linux is
that they start using multiple desktops spontaneously.  I have set up four,
explain how to make more if you want, and encourage them to also do one per
app, leaving the mail client and browser open all the time, for instance,
and working on documents on another desktop, and that is what they do. 

I set it up with the windows in the bottom panel in a row, so its easy to
glance and see where you are.

 The thing that makes them do it is when they see that the desktop you
temporarily leave stays exactly the same when you leave it and then come
back to it, and when they see you don't any longer have to find windows one
behind the other.  

I am careful to make sure they understand how to move a window from one desk
to another, tell which is where with the icons.  You have to take the time
and let people practice, but once they have got it, they wonder how they
managed without it.



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Re: Informal survey: multiple desktops

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

On both Xubuntu and MX Linux (i.e. both using the xfce window manager) I 
do NOT

have a problem with LiveCode popping up on all virtual desktops.

Richmond.

On 2/5/2018 2:15 am, Warren Samples via use-livecode wrote:

On 04/30/2018 11:43 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
Now that Windows, Mac, and Linux all offer multiple desktop, I'm 
curious: do you folks use them?


FWIW here's how I often work: I tend to open my email client and web 
browser in workspace 1, then LC on workspace 2.  Spaces 3 and 4 tend 
to get used ad hoc when there's something I need to focus on, like 
having another instance of LC, or a graphics tool, etc.  This is on 
Ubuntu, though lately I've started using multiple desktops on Windows 
as well.


I would be interested in learning how you folks use your desktops, 
and which OS you're on.


--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web




I recently switched from openSUSE to Antergos, but it's still Linux 
and still KDE Plasma5 as my DE. Always multiple desktops and like you, 
a couple dedicated ones and a couple freelance desktops.


I have window rules that will send particular app windows to 
particular desktops regardless of where I am when they are opened. 
Depending on what the window manager allows, this could be a way to 
avoid the inconvenience that Mark Wieder mentions.


I did have the same kind of issues that Ralph DiMola mentions with 
some Livecode stuff showing up on all desktops, but it was a long time 
ago and I can't remember if it was under KDE4 or Gnome 2. I don't see 
this any more under Linux and KDE.


Warren

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Re: Informal survey: multiple desktops

[Warren Samples via use-livecode]

On 04/30/2018 11:43 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
Now that Windows, Mac, and Linux all offer multiple desktop, I'm 
curious: do you folks use them?


FWIW here's how I often work: I tend to open my email client and web 
browser in workspace 1, then LC on workspace 2.  Spaces 3 and 4 tend to 
get used ad hoc when there's something I need to focus on, like having 
another instance of LC, or a graphics tool, etc.  This is on Ubuntu, 
though lately I've started using multiple desktops on Windows as well.


I would be interested in learning how you folks use your desktops, and 
which OS you're on.


--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web




I recently switched from openSUSE to Antergos, but it's still Linux and 
still KDE Plasma5 as my DE. Always multiple desktops and like you, a 
couple dedicated ones and a couple freelance desktops.


I have window rules that will send particular app windows to particular 
desktops regardless of where I am when they are opened. Depending on 
what the window manager allows, this could be a way to avoid the 
inconvenience that Mark Wieder mentions.


I did have the same kind of issues that Ralph DiMola mentions with some 
Livecode stuff showing up on all desktops, but it was a long time ago 
and I can't remember if it was under KDE4 or Gnome 2. I don't see this 
any more under Linux and KDE.


Warren

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Re: Informal survey: multiple desktops

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Possibly.

Although if 'multiple desktops' (whether capitalised or not) IS treated 
as a feature, then 'multiple desktops' IS singular.


If, however, one is counting multiple desktops (I have 4 on my main 
Linux box) then 'multiple desktops' ARE plural.


Of course, this could be a case of splitting hair, or, alternatively, 
splitting hairs: depending on whether one treats

'hair' as a count noun or as a mass (and, hence, non-count) noun.

And I could rabbit (or, possibly, 'hare')  on like this for ages.

But, as one grows older and one's hair recedes (or one's hairs fall 
out), this proves increasingly tiring and tiresome.


And a Happy Fag-End of May 1, the unemployed persons' holiday, to you.

Richmond.

On 1/5/2018 11:44 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

It may have been better then to use The "Multiple Desktops" feature is...

:-)


On May 1, 2018, at 08:31 , Brian Milby via use-livecode 
 wrote:


HOWEVER, I should say that I don't like the way multiple desktops is
(Yes, that's grammatically correct: think about it)
  implemented on post Mac OS 10.5 systems.


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Re: Informal survey: multiple desktops

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

It may have been better then to use The "Multiple Desktops" feature is... 

:-)

> On May 1, 2018, at 08:31 , Brian Milby via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>> HOWEVER, I should say that I don't like the way multiple desktops is
>> (Yes, that's grammatically correct: think about it)
>>  implemented on post Mac OS 10.5 systems.


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Re: Informal survey: multiple desktops

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 05/01/2018 08:31 AM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:


I only use Linux for testing (in a VM), so have not
used them there. I’m more likely to have a couple Linux VMs open at once.


The only thing I would caution there is that multiple VMs tend to use 
huge amounts of computer resources. You have to be very careful when 
allocating CPU time and memory or the native system will spend all its 
time swapping back and forth instead of letting you get anything done.




I also use multiple desktops all the time on linux. I don't spend enough 
time on other platforms to need them elsewhere. But I have my main 
desktop allocated to email and web browser and a second window allocated 
to LiveCode. The LC desktop is spread across two monitors with one given 
to the menubar, devolution, tools and the stack I'm working on; and the 
second monitor used for the script editor, browser, message box.


If I try to switch desktops while LC is starting up (getting impatient 
since the startup takes so long) then some items end up in one desktop 
and some in the other. That's annoying, and they can (usually) be 
swapped but normally I find it easier to close and reopen.


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Re: Informal survey: multiple desktops

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Graham Samuel wrote:

> I have another problem, which is another user who is a bit of a
> technophobe - would multiples help or not?
>
> Richard’s example makes me think I should be more adventurous.

Working at the edge of our comfort zone is what expands our comfort zone.

Or as my acquaintances at the Los Angeles Adventurers' Club like to say, 
"Adventure begins when you realize you no longer know what to do and may 
be in danger. Everything before that is just a vacation." :)


--
 Richard Gaskin
 Fourth World Systems
 Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
 
 ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com


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Re: Informal survey: multiple desktops

[Graham Samuel via use-livecode]

I use a Mac with an additional monitor and have been content with that, but 
lately I have been bitten by the bug in LC which doesn’t allow the multiple 
monitor setup to reflect the real-world relationship between the screens, so 
multiple monitors might help. Just upgraded my Windows VM to 10, no call for 
multiple desktops yet.

I have another problem, which is another user who is a bit of a technophobe - 
would multiples help or not?

Richard’s example makes me think I should be more adventurous.

Graham 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 1 May 2018, at 16:42, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Win 10 the taskbar icons get scrambled when switching between desktops,
> RDT's are unexpectedly focused causing the "switch desktop" key combo to
> stop working. The LC tool pallet and a plug-in in pallet mode both appear on
> all desktops. I'm not keen on multiple desktops at this point. I've been
> using a multiple VMs instead.
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
> Of Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2018 12:44 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: Richard Gaskin
> Subject: Informal survey: multiple desktops
> 
> Now that Windows, Mac, and Linux all offer multiple desktop, I'm
> curious: do you folks use them?
> 
> FWIW here's how I often work: I tend to open my email client and web browser
> in workspace 1, then LC on workspace 2.  Spaces 3 and 4 tend to get used ad
> hoc when there's something I need to focus on, like having another instance
> of LC, or a graphics tool, etc.  This is on Ubuntu, though lately I've
> started using multiple desktops on Windows as well.
> 
> I would be interested in learning how you folks use your desktops, and which
> OS you're on.
> 
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  
>  ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com
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RE: Informal survey: multiple desktops

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

On Win 10 the taskbar icons get scrambled when switching between desktops,
RDT's are unexpectedly focused causing the "switch desktop" key combo to
stop working. The LC tool pallet and a plug-in in pallet mode both appear on
all desktops. I'm not keen on multiple desktops at this point. I've been
using a multiple VMs instead.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2018 12:44 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Richard Gaskin
Subject: Informal survey: multiple desktops

Now that Windows, Mac, and Linux all offer multiple desktop, I'm
curious: do you folks use them?

FWIW here's how I often work: I tend to open my email client and web browser
in workspace 1, then LC on workspace 2.  Spaces 3 and 4 tend to get used ad
hoc when there's something I need to focus on, like having another instance
of LC, or a graphics tool, etc.  This is on Ubuntu, though lately I've
started using multiple desktops on Windows as well.

I would be interested in learning how you folks use your desktops, and which
OS you're on.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  
  ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com

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Re: Informal survey: multiple desktops

[Brian Milby via use-livecode]

I use them on my Mac all the time. Chrome, Atom, SourceTree, terminals on
one and usually switch to another for LiveCode. I also put a compiled
version of LC on another desktop to easily switch between production and
compiled. Have not started using them on Windows yet, but would anticipate
putting LC on its own. I only use Linux for testing (in a VM), so have not
used them there. I’m more likely to have a couple Linux VMs open at once.
On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 1:51 AM Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> All the time on Linux and never on Mac, for a very simple reason:
>
> On my single Mac computer I have 2 socking great monitors (bags of
> real-estate),
>
> and on all my Linux boxes (more than you could shake a stick at) I have
> single monitors.
>
> I much prefer having 2 (or more) monitors so I can see everything at once.
>
> HOWEVER, I should say that I don't like the way multiple desktops is
> (Yes, that's grammatically correct: think about it)
>   implemented on post Mac OS 10.5 systems.
>
> I don't use Windows at all beyond a "walk on the wild side" when I help
> other people (mainly unsuspecting puypils of mine) sorted out some
> small problem on their systems.
>
> Richmond.
>
> On 1/5/2018 7:43 am, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> > Now that Windows, Mac, and Linux all offer multiple desktop, I'm
> > curious: do you folks use them?
> >
> > FWIW here's how I often work: I tend to open my email client and web
> > browser in workspace 1, then LC on workspace 2.  Spaces 3 and 4 tend
> > to get used ad hoc when there's something I need to focus on, like
> > having another instance of LC, or a graphics tool, etc. This is on
> > Ubuntu, though lately I've started using multiple desktops on Windows
> > as well.
> >
> > I would be interested in learning how you folks use your desktops, and
> > which OS you're on.
> >
>
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Re: Informal survey: multiple desktops

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

All the time on Linux and never on Mac, for a very simple reason:

On my single Mac computer I have 2 socking great monitors (bags of 
real-estate),


and on all my Linux boxes (more than you could shake a stick at) I have 
single monitors.


I much prefer having 2 (or more) monitors so I can see everything at once.

HOWEVER, I should say that I don't like the way multiple desktops is
(Yes, that's grammatically correct: think about it)
 implemented on post Mac OS 10.5 systems.

I don't use Windows at all beyond a "walk on the wild side" when I help
other people (mainly unsuspecting puypils of mine) sorted out some
small problem on their systems.

Richmond.

On 1/5/2018 7:43 am, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
Now that Windows, Mac, and Linux all offer multiple desktop, I'm 
curious: do you folks use them?


FWIW here's how I often work: I tend to open my email client and web 
browser in workspace 1, then LC on workspace 2.  Spaces 3 and 4 tend 
to get used ad hoc when there's something I need to focus on, like 
having another instance of LC, or a graphics tool, etc. This is on 
Ubuntu, though lately I've started using multiple desktops on Windows 
as well.


I would be interested in learning how you folks use your desktops, and 
which OS you're on.




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