RE: Issues with Mobile Native controls
I that something that is just not done in a particular widget or just that the LCB/LCS/engine architecture can't support it? Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net -Original Message- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Brian Milby via use-livecode Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 6:40 PM To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Brian Milby Subject: RE: Issues with Mobile Native controls I’m pretty sure the answer is no. It does not work on the included widgets. Thanks, Brian On Apr 21, 2020, 6:38 PM -0400, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode , wrote: > Does "lock messages" help here? I don’t know if it works for widgets? If so > you could do this: > > Lock messages > set the highlight of me to not the highlight of me unlock messages > > Ralph DiMola > IT Director > Evergreen Information Services > rdim...@evergreeninfo.net > > > -Original Message- > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On > Behalf Of Graham Samuel via use-livecode > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 3:24 PM > To: How to use LiveCode > Cc: Graham Samuel > Subject: Re: Issues with Mobile Native controls > > Yes, it was the “native” one. > > I caused the error which I saw by creating an infinite loop. I did not > realise that the ‘hiliteChanged’ message is sent after the graphic > representation of the switch has been changed within the widget itself, so I > scripted: > on hiliteChanged > > set the highlight of me to not the highlight of me > > end hiliteChanged > > By doing that I generated another hiliteChanged message, and so an infinitum. > It was slightly less obvious than it might have been because the test started > on a card with a button scripted" > > go cd “testCard” > > which was supposed to show the card with the switch on it. This doesn’t > happen in this case - the screen freezes before the ‘go’ is actioned, so it > looks like we never left the first card. > > It was Elanor at LiveCode who explained that to me. I am somewhat > embarrassed, but it may help someone else to know what I did wrong. > > Graham > > PS This widget has a property ‘highlight’ and a message ‘hiliteChanged’. I > think the spelling should be consistent. > > > On 21 Apr 2020, at 19:04, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > > wrote: > > > > I think you're right, the "native" switch is the one you bought. I've had > > no issues with the one that comes with LC. > > > > -- > > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive > > Software > > | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On April 21, 2020 4:19:45 AM Graham > > Samuel via use-livecode wrote: > > > > > I’ve got ‘Switch Button’ and a ‘Native Switch Button’ in the LC toolbox. > > > Not sure which one you are talking about. > > > > > > The second one came with the widget set I bought, I think. Anyway it has > > > caused me a lot of trouble with the iOS simulator, but that may be > > > because the environment I’m working in is rather out of date apart from > > > LC itself (I’m using 9.5.1). LC Support are looking at it for me, but I > > > already guess that they will say “it works here”, since they will be > > > running the latest version of XCode etc. which is not permitted with my > > > setup. > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > On 21 Apr 2020, at 02:37, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > The one I mean is actually a widget but we're probably talking about > > > > the same thing. I like it because you can set the theme and it displays > > > > correctly for either iOS or Android. > > > > > > > > I'd love to see more themed widgets like that, maybe a mobileButton > > > > widget for example. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive > > > > Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On April 20, 2020 > > > > 6:24:48 PM Rick Harrison via use-livecode > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Are you referring to the switch button? > > > > > If so, yes it is in Indy. > > > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 20, 2020, at 5:48 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I've used LC's built-in switch widget without any problems. I don
RE: Issues with Mobile Native controls
I’m pretty sure the answer is no. It does not work on the included widgets. Thanks, Brian On Apr 21, 2020, 6:38 PM -0400, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode , wrote: > Does "lock messages" help here? I don’t know if it works for widgets? If so > you could do this: > > Lock messages > set the highlight of me to not the highlight of me > unlock messages > > Ralph DiMola > IT Director > Evergreen Information Services > rdim...@evergreeninfo.net > > > -Original Message- > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf > Of Graham Samuel via use-livecode > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 3:24 PM > To: How to use LiveCode > Cc: Graham Samuel > Subject: Re: Issues with Mobile Native controls > > Yes, it was the “native” one. > > I caused the error which I saw by creating an infinite loop. I did not > realise that the ‘hiliteChanged’ message is sent after the graphic > representation of the switch has been changed within the widget itself, so I > scripted: > on hiliteChanged > > set the highlight of me to not the highlight of me > > end hiliteChanged > > By doing that I generated another hiliteChanged message, and so an infinitum. > It was slightly less obvious than it might have been because the test started > on a card with a button scripted" > > go cd “testCard” > > which was supposed to show the card with the switch on it. This doesn’t > happen in this case - the screen freezes before the ‘go’ is actioned, so it > looks like we never left the first card. > > It was Elanor at LiveCode who explained that to me. I am somewhat > embarrassed, but it may help someone else to know what I did wrong. > > Graham > > PS This widget has a property ‘highlight’ and a message ‘hiliteChanged’. I > think the spelling should be consistent. > > > On 21 Apr 2020, at 19:04, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > > wrote: > > > > I think you're right, the "native" switch is the one you bought. I've had > > no issues with the one that comes with LC. > > > > -- > > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software > > | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On April 21, 2020 4:19:45 AM Graham > > Samuel via use-livecode wrote: > > > > > I’ve got ‘Switch Button’ and a ‘Native Switch Button’ in the LC toolbox. > > > Not sure which one you are talking about. > > > > > > The second one came with the widget set I bought, I think. Anyway it has > > > caused me a lot of trouble with the iOS simulator, but that may be > > > because the environment I’m working in is rather out of date apart from > > > LC itself (I’m using 9.5.1). LC Support are looking at it for me, but I > > > already guess that they will say “it works here”, since they will be > > > running the latest version of XCode etc. which is not permitted with my > > > setup. > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > On 21 Apr 2020, at 02:37, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > The one I mean is actually a widget but we're probably talking about > > > > the same thing. I like it because you can set the theme and it displays > > > > correctly for either iOS or Android. > > > > > > > > I'd love to see more themed widgets like that, maybe a mobileButton > > > > widget for example. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive > > > > Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On April 20, 2020 6:24:48 PM > > > > Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote: > > > > > > > > > Are you referring to the switch button? > > > > > If so, yes it is in Indy. > > > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 20, 2020, at 5:48 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I've used LC's built-in switch widget without any problems. I don't > > > > > > know if that's included in Indy though. > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > >
RE: Issues with Mobile Native controls
Does "lock messages" help here? I don’t know if it works for widgets? If so you could do this: Lock messages set the highlight of me to not the highlight of me unlock messages Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net -Original Message- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Graham Samuel via use-livecode Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 3:24 PM To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Graham Samuel Subject: Re: Issues with Mobile Native controls Yes, it was the “native” one. I caused the error which I saw by creating an infinite loop. I did not realise that the ‘hiliteChanged’ message is sent after the graphic representation of the switch has been changed within the widget itself, so I scripted: on hiliteChanged set the highlight of me to not the highlight of me end hiliteChanged By doing that I generated another hiliteChanged message, and so an infinitum. It was slightly less obvious than it might have been because the test started on a card with a button scripted" go cd “testCard” which was supposed to show the card with the switch on it. This doesn’t happen in this case - the screen freezes before the ‘go’ is actioned, so it looks like we never left the first card. It was Elanor at LiveCode who explained that to me. I am somewhat embarrassed, but it may help someone else to know what I did wrong. Graham PS This widget has a property ‘highlight’ and a message ‘hiliteChanged’. I think the spelling should be consistent. > On 21 Apr 2020, at 19:04, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > wrote: > > I think you're right, the "native" switch is the one you bought. I've had no > issues with the one that comes with LC. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software > | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On April 21, 2020 4:19:45 AM Graham > Samuel via use-livecode wrote: > >> I’ve got ‘Switch Button’ and a ‘Native Switch Button’ in the LC toolbox. Not >> sure which one you are talking about. >> >> The second one came with the widget set I bought, I think. Anyway it has >> caused me a lot of trouble with the iOS simulator, but that may be because >> the environment I’m working in is rather out of date apart from LC itself >> (I’m using 9.5.1). LC Support are looking at it for me, but I already guess >> that they will say “it works here”, since they will be running the latest >> version of XCode etc. which is not permitted with my setup. >> >> Graham >> >>> On 21 Apr 2020, at 02:37, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode >>> wrote: >>> >>> The one I mean is actually a widget but we're probably talking about the >>> same thing. I like it because you can set the theme and it displays >>> correctly for either iOS or Android. >>> >>> I'd love to see more themed widgets like that, maybe a mobileButton widget >>> for example. >>> >>> -- >>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive >>> Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On April 20, 2020 6:24:48 PM >>> Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote: >>> >>>> Are you referring to the switch button? >>>> If so, yes it is in Indy. >>>> >>>> Rick >>>> >>>>> On Apr 20, 2020, at 5:48 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I've used LC's built-in switch widget without any problems. I don't know >>>>> if that's included in Indy though. >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > ___ > use-livecode m
Re: Issues with Mobile Native controls
Yes, it was the “native” one. I caused the error which I saw by creating an infinite loop. I did not realise that the ‘hiliteChanged’ message is sent after the graphic representation of the switch has been changed within the widget itself, so I scripted: on hiliteChanged set the highlight of me to not the highlight of me end hiliteChanged By doing that I generated another hiliteChanged message, and so an infinitum. It was slightly less obvious than it might have been because the test started on a card with a button scripted" go cd “testCard” which was supposed to show the card with the switch on it. This doesn’t happen in this case - the screen freezes before the ‘go’ is actioned, so it looks like we never left the first card. It was Elanor at LiveCode who explained that to me. I am somewhat embarrassed, but it may help someone else to know what I did wrong. Graham PS This widget has a property ‘highlight’ and a message ‘hiliteChanged’. I think the spelling should be consistent. > On 21 Apr 2020, at 19:04, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > wrote: > > I think you're right, the "native" switch is the one you bought. I've had no > issues with the one that comes with LC. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > On April 21, 2020 4:19:45 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode > wrote: > >> I’ve got ‘Switch Button’ and a ‘Native Switch Button’ in the LC toolbox. Not >> sure which one you are talking about. >> >> The second one came with the widget set I bought, I think. Anyway it has >> caused me a lot of trouble with the iOS simulator, but that may be because >> the environment I’m working in is rather out of date apart from LC itself >> (I’m using 9.5.1). LC Support are looking at it for me, but I already guess >> that they will say “it works here”, since they will be running the latest >> version of XCode etc. which is not permitted with my setup. >> >> Graham >> >>> On 21 Apr 2020, at 02:37, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode >>> wrote: >>> >>> The one I mean is actually a widget but we're probably talking about the >>> same thing. I like it because you can set the theme and it displays >>> correctly for either iOS or Android. >>> >>> I'd love to see more themed widgets like that, maybe a mobileButton widget >>> for example. >>> >>> -- >>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com >>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >>> On April 20, 2020 6:24:48 PM Rick Harrison via use-livecode >>> wrote: >>> Are you referring to the switch button? If so, yes it is in Indy. Rick > On Apr 20, 2020, at 5:48 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > wrote: > > I've used LC's built-in switch widget without any problems. I don't know > if that's included in Indy though. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Issues with Mobile Native controls
I think you're right, the "native" switch is the one you bought. I've had no issues with the one that comes with LC. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On April 21, 2020 4:19:45 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote: I’ve got ‘Switch Button’ and a ‘Native Switch Button’ in the LC toolbox. Not sure which one you are talking about. The second one came with the widget set I bought, I think. Anyway it has caused me a lot of trouble with the iOS simulator, but that may be because the environment I’m working in is rather out of date apart from LC itself (I’m using 9.5.1). LC Support are looking at it for me, but I already guess that they will say “it works here”, since they will be running the latest version of XCode etc. which is not permitted with my setup. Graham On 21 Apr 2020, at 02:37, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: The one I mean is actually a widget but we're probably talking about the same thing. I like it because you can set the theme and it displays correctly for either iOS or Android. I'd love to see more themed widgets like that, maybe a mobileButton widget for example. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On April 20, 2020 6:24:48 PM Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote: Are you referring to the switch button? If so, yes it is in Indy. Rick On Apr 20, 2020, at 5:48 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: I've used LC's built-in switch widget without any problems. I don't know if that's included in Indy though. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Issues with Mobile Native controls
I’ve got ‘Switch Button’ and a ‘Native Switch Button’ in the LC toolbox. Not sure which one you are talking about. The second one came with the widget set I bought, I think. Anyway it has caused me a lot of trouble with the iOS simulator, but that may be because the environment I’m working in is rather out of date apart from LC itself (I’m using 9.5.1). LC Support are looking at it for me, but I already guess that they will say “it works here”, since they will be running the latest version of XCode etc. which is not permitted with my setup. Graham > On 21 Apr 2020, at 02:37, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > wrote: > > The one I mean is actually a widget but we're probably talking about the same > thing. I like it because you can set the theme and it displays correctly for > either iOS or Android. > > I'd love to see more themed widgets like that, maybe a mobileButton widget > for example. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > On April 20, 2020 6:24:48 PM Rick Harrison via use-livecode > wrote: > >> Are you referring to the switch button? >> If so, yes it is in Indy. >> >> Rick >> >>> On Apr 20, 2020, at 5:48 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode >>> wrote: >>> >>> I've used LC's built-in switch widget without any problems. I don't know if >>> that's included in Indy though. >> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Issues with Mobile Native controls
The one I mean is actually a widget but we're probably talking about the same thing. I like it because you can set the theme and it displays correctly for either iOS or Android. I'd love to see more themed widgets like that, maybe a mobileButton widget for example. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On April 20, 2020 6:24:48 PM Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote: Are you referring to the switch button? If so, yes it is in Indy. Rick On Apr 20, 2020, at 5:48 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: I've used LC's built-in switch widget without any problems. I don't know if that's included in Indy though. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Issues with Mobile Native controls
Are you referring to the switch button? If so, yes it is in Indy. Rick > On Apr 20, 2020, at 5:48 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > wrote: > > I've used LC's built-in switch widget without any problems. I don't know if > that's included in Indy though. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Issues with Mobile Native controls
On 4/20/20 3:50 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote: the switch widget crashed the simulator I've used LC's built-in switch widget without any problems. I don't know if that's included in Indy though. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Issues with Mobile Native controls
On 4/20/20 3:57 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote: I would like there to be a library of such things, and hoped they’d be SVGs. Still hoping. Make your own icon family using Brian's tool. There are thousands of SVG icons on the web, mostly free. Go here, for a start: https://www.svgrepo.com/ Set aside an afternoon, you can get lost in there. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Issues with Mobile Native controls
Well, looking at my iPhone, there are many many designs for apps, but there are very often (OK, not always) tidy little icons which lead to settings/preferences or give information, or make it clear that you can close something. I don’t know if my finger uses them as buttons exactly, but I find the idea of touching one to make something happen to be perfectly intuitive. And nearly always these are unclunky little objects taking up a minimum of screen real estate. I would like there to be a library of such things, and hoped they’d be SVGs. Still hoping. Graham > On 20 Apr 2020, at 21:19, Mark Wieder via use-livecode > wrote: > > On 4/20/20 10:53 AM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote: > >> I know Apple and Google have designs that are looking for the "Wow, new >> look!" ... but frankly e.g. their flat new button style (we used in the web >> for a recent UI) ... people did realize it was a button! To make such a >> subtle distinction (graphically) between a "touch link" and "label" gets >> you nothing but N number of people not clinking! > > One of the basic tenets of UX design is "make buttons look like buttons" > > -- > Mark Wieder > ahsoftw...@gmail.com > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Issues with Mobile Native controls
Yes, I was probably quite hasty paying for it - if it’s in beta still after two years, it looks kind of abandoned. I would certainly say it looks unfinished, even though the individual widgets are described in the LC dictionary. And in my environment, which is not new but not that old, the switch widget crashed the simulator (LC Support- thank you Elanor - are looking at that one). Maybe I just went down the wrong path. As previously discussed, it seems getting on for impossible to quickly make an LC iPhone app look reasonably familiar to a typically iPhone user. Graham > On 20 Apr 2020, at 21:43, matthias rebbe via use-livecode > wrote: > > I´ve purchased it already in 2018. In my account it shows now version 1.0.0, > but the download is still the same beta as the one from 2018 when it was > released. The files are still from 2018. Maybe the people at LC did not > update the d/l link. I will ask Heather by e-mail tomorrow. > > > > - > Matthias Rebbe > Life Is Too Short For Boring Code > >> Am 20.04.2020 um 21:28 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode >> : >> >> On 4/20/20 12:05 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote: >>> It´s from Todd Fabacher and his team. >>> And here´s a link to a discussion about it in this list >>> https://www.mail-archive.com/use-livecode@lists.runrev.com/msg93988.html >> >> OK - now I looked as well. Still not sure what that is. The description says >> "This package is currently in beta, all purchasers will receive any updates >> available up to the full version 1 release, free". There's only one review, >> and that one is from two years ago and asks as question that hasn't been >> answered. Still in beta at version 0.5.0? >> >> -- >> Mark Wieder >> ahsoftw...@gmail.com >> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Issues with Mobile Native controls
I´ve purchased it already in 2018. In my account it shows now version 1.0.0, but the download is still the same beta as the one from 2018 when it was released. The files are still from 2018. Maybe the people at LC did not update the d/l link. I will ask Heather by e-mail tomorrow. - Matthias Rebbe Life Is Too Short For Boring Code > Am 20.04.2020 um 21:28 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode > : > > On 4/20/20 12:05 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote: >> It´s from Todd Fabacher and his team. >> And here´s a link to a discussion about it in this list >> https://www.mail-archive.com/use-livecode@lists.runrev.com/msg93988.html > > OK - now I looked as well. Still not sure what that is. The description says > "This package is currently in beta, all purchasers will receive any updates > available up to the full version 1 release, free". There's only one review, > and that one is from two years ago and asks as question that hasn't been > answered. Still in beta at version 0.5.0? > > -- > Mark Wieder > ahsoftw...@gmail.com > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Issues with Mobile Native controls
On 4/20/20 12:05 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote: It´s from Todd Fabacher and his team. And here´s a link to a discussion about it in this list https://www.mail-archive.com/use-livecode@lists.runrev.com/msg93988.html OK - now I looked as well. Still not sure what that is. The description says "This package is currently in beta, all purchasers will receive any updates available up to the full version 1 release, free". There's only one review, and that one is from two years ago and asks as question that hasn't been answered. Still in beta at version 0.5.0? -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Issues with Mobile Native controls
On 4/20/20 10:53 AM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote: I know Apple and Google have designs that are looking for the "Wow, new look!" ... but frankly e.g. their flat new button style (we used in the web for a recent UI) ... people did realize it was a button! To make such a subtle distinction (graphically) between a "touch link" and "label" gets you nothing but N number of people not clinking! One of the basic tenets of UX design is "make buttons look like buttons" -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Issues with Mobile Native controls
It´s from Todd Fabacher and his team. And here´s a link to a discussion about it in this list https://www.mail-archive.com/use-livecode@lists.runrev.com/msg93988.html - Matthias Rebbe Life Is Too Short For Boring Code > Am 20.04.2020 um 20:52 schrieb improve-revolution-010...@m-r-d.de: > > It´s from Todd Fabacher and his team. > > > - > Matthias Rebbe > Life Is Too Short For Boring Code > >> Am 20.04.2020 um 20:46 schrieb Richard Gaskin via use-livecode >> : >> >> Graham Samuel wrote: >> >>> I’ve recently bought Mobile Native Essential pack... >> >> Curious, I looked it up. >> >> Who is "LiveCode Factory" (the vendor), and how is anything labeled >> "essential" not in the base install? Is it essential or not? >> >> -- >> Richard Gaskin >> Fourth World Systems >> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web >> >> ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com >> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > - Matthias Rebbe Life Is Too Short For Boring Code ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Issues with Mobile Native controls
Graham Samuel wrote: > I’ve recently bought Mobile Native Essential pack... Curious, I looked it up. Who is "LiveCode Factory" (the vendor), and how is anything labeled "essential" not in the base install? Is it essential or not? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Issues with Mobile Native controls
Some thoughts on icons. I have a focus group of about 10 people, mostly in London, one older woman in France. The "old" FontAwesome as used by Livecode out of the box (I have yet to explore Brian option for bringing in your own or use the "new" FontAwesome While the icon are a bit bold (="Clunky) there are advantages for a UI point of view. 1) they are recognizable, well known. We had a discussion in the my focus group about making the icons of the home screen of SivaSiva (will be out in the stores in a few day) more elegant, one advocate said "rather those use those cartoon icons can't we find something elegant, e.g. for Listen instead of Headphone, find something else? " I wanted to encourage everyone and said "Sure, send me some examples." (SKYPE meeting with 10 people) Others were quiet. 2) after the meeting, on Whatapp, I get several private messages "Oh, why change the icons? When I go the home screen I want to know exactly what I have navigating to. Why make it obscure?" 3) the Fellow who wanted "elegant" sent the five icons from Ayurveda represent 5 element (earth, air, fire, water, space) that had nothing to do /no relationship to that navigation. I know Apple and Google have designs that are looking for the "Wow, new look!" ... but frankly e.g. their flat new button style (we used in the web for a recent UI) ... people did realize it was a button! To make such a subtle distinction (graphically) between a "touch link" and "label" gets you nothing but N number of people not clinking! So, you can crazy doing "native UI-platform specific" OR you design stuff that "works" (for users) and use it on both Apple and Android, you can focus on content instead of hours making the UI match something that Apple or Google is happy with. They are not the authorities. Your users are. Disclaimers: I'm not saying that UI pattern of the Native interface of Human Interface Guideline (Apple, and is constantly change) of Material Design (Google) are not good, they are. But those who have lean budgets, you can just ask you clients and associates. "Does this work for you?" If that answer is "yes" Your design is just as good... My two mangos from Hawaii BR On 4/20/20, 4:11 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Graham Samuel via use-livecode" wrote: Just a quick addition - it’s a whole world out there, isn’t it? I am so behind the curve… anyway very useful. I am not sure why so many icon designers go for chunky designs - it’s as if they preferred bold type over regular. The little icons at the top and bottom of the screen in your own tool are more my style! But I suppose that’s just a personal preference. Thanks again for all this. Graham ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Issues with Mobile Native controls
I've been using Brian's tool a lot lately, it sure beats doing all that work yourself. I export my new icon family to a file and then import the array file into a custom property of the stack. When the app starts up it sets the icon family to the array and it just works. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On April 20, 2020 8:07:53 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote: Icons can be updated to anything you want. See this thread about the SVG Icon Tool that I developed. The package on my website has a large number of icons included that you can browse and combine into your own Icon Family. http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10=30411 Once you change the default family, then those icons are visible from the chooser in the PI. On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 6:30 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: I’ve recently bought Mobile Native Essential pack in a slightly desperate attempt to get my mobile app look more native, but I’ve had trouble with the bits I’ve used: Labels - sometimes are not visible even when the vis is definitely true; strange scheme which means that the name you give it is the same as the name displayed, leading to very much deprecated names with spaces in them. Switch - caused a (simulated) version of my app to seize up. As a test, I tried to open a card containing just that one object and it zonked the app. I will be reporting this, but of course wonder it it’s something I’ve done. Outside the paid-for pack, I also have issues with the native button (doesn’t look all that native in iOS) and the navigation bar (eccentric choice of icons IMHO, and no apparent way of adding to them). I don’t really want to moan but I would like to see some improvement. Is this list a good place to discuss these issues? Graham ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Issues with Mobile Native controls
Just a quick addition - it’s a whole world out there, isn’t it? I am so behind the curve… anyway very useful. I am not sure why so many icon designers go for chunky designs - it’s as if they preferred bold type over regular. The little icons at the top and bottom of the screen in your own tool are more my style! But I suppose that’s just a personal preference. Thanks again for all this. Graham > On 20 Apr 2020, at 15:39, Graham Samuel via use-livecode > wrote: > > Thanks Brian, that looks really useful. I am looking for icons that are > tools, such as for settings (often a cogwheel or a set of horizontal bars) > and stuff like that - anyway I will have a good look. I am very pleased that > the system is more flexible than I first thought, since it isn’t mentioned in > the dictionary entry for the Navigation Bar. Maybe I can report this as a > needed documentation enhancement. As you have noticed from my earlier mails, > it is a tough job for a mobile newbie (if you know what I mean!) to find out > how to make his or her app look like a native product. I am still a very long > way from this. > > Cheers > > Graham > >> On 20 Apr 2020, at 15:05, Brian Milby via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> Icons can be updated to anything you want. See this thread about the SVG >> Icon Tool that I developed. The package on my website has a large number >> of icons included that you can browse and combine into your own Icon Family. >> >> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10=30411 >> >> Once you change the default family, then those icons are visible from the >> chooser in the PI. >> >> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 6:30 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode < >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >>> I’ve recently bought Mobile Native Essential pack in a slightly desperate >>> attempt to get my mobile app look more native, but I’ve had trouble with >>> the bits I’ve used: >>> >>> Labels - sometimes are not visible even when the vis is definitely true; >>> strange scheme which means that the name you give it is the same as the >>> name displayed, leading to very much deprecated names with spaces in them. >>> >>> Switch - caused a (simulated) version of my app to seize up. As a test, I >>> tried to open a card containing just that one object and it zonked the app. >>> I will be reporting this, but of course wonder it it’s something I’ve done. >>> >>> Outside the paid-for pack, I also have issues with the native button >>> (doesn’t look all that native in iOS) and the navigation bar (eccentric >>> choice of icons IMHO, and no apparent way of adding to them). >>> >>> I don’t really want to moan but I would like to see some improvement. Is >>> this list a good place to discuss these issues? >>> >>> Graham >>> ___ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Issues with Mobile Native controls
Thanks Brian, that looks really useful. I am looking for icons that are tools, such as for settings (often a cogwheel or a set of horizontal bars) and stuff like that - anyway I will have a good look. I am very pleased that the system is more flexible than I first thought, since it isn’t mentioned in the dictionary entry for the Navigation Bar. Maybe I can report this as a needed documentation enhancement. As you have noticed from my earlier mails, it is a tough job for a mobile newbie (if you know what I mean!) to find out how to make his or her app look like a native product. I am still a very long way from this. Cheers Graham > On 20 Apr 2020, at 15:05, Brian Milby via use-livecode > wrote: > > Icons can be updated to anything you want. See this thread about the SVG > Icon Tool that I developed. The package on my website has a large number > of icons included that you can browse and combine into your own Icon Family. > > http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10=30411 > > Once you change the default family, then those icons are visible from the > chooser in the PI. > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 6:30 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> I’ve recently bought Mobile Native Essential pack in a slightly desperate >> attempt to get my mobile app look more native, but I’ve had trouble with >> the bits I’ve used: >> >> Labels - sometimes are not visible even when the vis is definitely true; >> strange scheme which means that the name you give it is the same as the >> name displayed, leading to very much deprecated names with spaces in them. >> >> Switch - caused a (simulated) version of my app to seize up. As a test, I >> tried to open a card containing just that one object and it zonked the app. >> I will be reporting this, but of course wonder it it’s something I’ve done. >> >> Outside the paid-for pack, I also have issues with the native button >> (doesn’t look all that native in iOS) and the navigation bar (eccentric >> choice of icons IMHO, and no apparent way of adding to them). >> >> I don’t really want to moan but I would like to see some improvement. Is >> this list a good place to discuss these issues? >> >> Graham >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Issues with Mobile Native controls
Icons can be updated to anything you want. See this thread about the SVG Icon Tool that I developed. The package on my website has a large number of icons included that you can browse and combine into your own Icon Family. http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10=30411 Once you change the default family, then those icons are visible from the chooser in the PI. On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 6:30 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I’ve recently bought Mobile Native Essential pack in a slightly desperate > attempt to get my mobile app look more native, but I’ve had trouble with > the bits I’ve used: > > Labels - sometimes are not visible even when the vis is definitely true; > strange scheme which means that the name you give it is the same as the > name displayed, leading to very much deprecated names with spaces in them. > > Switch - caused a (simulated) version of my app to seize up. As a test, I > tried to open a card containing just that one object and it zonked the app. > I will be reporting this, but of course wonder it it’s something I’ve done. > > Outside the paid-for pack, I also have issues with the native button > (doesn’t look all that native in iOS) and the navigation bar (eccentric > choice of icons IMHO, and no apparent way of adding to them). > > I don’t really want to moan but I would like to see some improvement. Is > this list a good place to discuss these issues? > > Graham > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
