Re: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

[Mark Schonewille]

I completely agree with Tiemo's comments. This is a big issues for me.

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On 2/25/2014 17:53, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

Though I can follow the arguments for concentrating the efforts on new and
faster platforms, I actually can't believe that only 3,8% of Mac users would
be affected (if you count notebooks to desktops). I myself have beside my
iMac a MacBook from around 2007 which is not upgradebale on OS X 10.6
anymore and I am sure there are a lot of those machines out there with 10.5,
from my feeling much more than 3,8%. So I would be very unhappy to tell all
my clients out there with these kind of machines, sorry you either can't buy
new software from me nore updates to existing software anymore. And I can't
afford to compile and supply two different versions of my software.

So from my side thumb down

Tiemo




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Re: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

[Richmond]

On 25/02/14 18:53, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

Though I can follow the arguments for concentrating the efforts on new and
faster platforms, I actually can't believe that only 3,8% of Mac users would
be affected (if you count notebooks to desktops). I myself have beside my
iMac a MacBook from around 2007 which is not upgradebale on OS X 10.6
anymore and I am sure there are a lot of those machines out there with 10.5,
from my feeling much more than 3,8%. So I would be very unhappy to tell all
my clients out there with these kind of machines, sorry you either can't buy
new software from me nore updates to existing software anymore. And I can't
afford to compile and supply two different versions of my software.

So from my side thumb down

Tiemo





Statistics are, on the whole, rubbish; but the number of sales to PPC 
Mac users is probably minimal.


Richmond.

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Re: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

[Robert Brenstein]

On 25.02.2014 at 17:53 Uhr +0100 Tiemo Hollmann TB apparently wrote:

Though I can follow the arguments for concentrating the efforts on new and
faster platforms, I actually can't believe that only 3,8% of Mac users would
be affected (if you count notebooks to desktops). I myself have beside my
iMac a MacBook from around 2007 which is not upgradebale on OS X 10.6
anymore and I am sure there are a lot of those machines out there with 10.5,
from my feeling much more than 3,8%. So I would be very unhappy to tell all
my clients out there with these kind of machines, sorry you either can't buy
new software from me nore updates to existing software anymore. And I can't
afford to compile and supply two different versions of my software.

So from my side thumb down

Tiemo


I am stubbornly running 10.6.8 on my main machine but I am starting 
to feel compelled to finally upgrade. Upgrades for more and more 
programs that I use are not supporting 10.6 anymore. As much as it 
pains me, I can understand that to provide support for newer 
features, the programs need newer OSX. People running 10.4 and 10.5 
use older hardware (I have a few of those around) and can't expect to 
be able to run the newest version of a software development system 
(while most of their programs are older versions anyway). As long as 
RunRev supports 6.6 with bug fixes for a decent while, this is a good 
compromise. A few of us that have to support those users commercially 
may have to put extra labor, but the change is  better for majority, 
me thinks.


RObert

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Re: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

[Richard Gaskin]

Tiemo Hollmann wrote:

Hi Matthias,
thats what I did, and the installer of snow leopard told me, my hardware is
out of date and incompatible.


I'm sorry to hear that.  Apple makes good computers, but their costs 
average about twice that of PCs.  Good components and all that so I'm 
not making a judgment about price, but it seems a reasonable expectation 
that the company would support their products with at least critical 
security updates for longer than 7 years.


In contrast, Windows XP is being EOL'd in April, more than 12 years 
after its release.  Ironically, Microsoft scores lower than Apple in 
customer satisfaction, even though they deliver a longer useful lifespan 
for their systems.



I realize this may not be an option, but it seems hardly a month goes by 
in which I don't stumble across yet another school in my area switching 
to Ubuntu, so here goes:


If the school you work with needs to continue using computers Apple has 
since rendered unsafe, Ubuntu or its lightweight variant Xubuntu will 
probably run quite well on them, providing safe and efficient computing 
which would likely extend the lifespan of those machines by at least 
another couple years, possibly more.


If that may be an option you're welcome to email me directly and I can 
put you in touch with local resources who can assist with that 
transition.  Given the wide range of free software for education in the 
Linux world, it may even help save quite a bit of money beyond the 
hardware expense as well, and your school would enjoy the benefits of 
completely owning their data with open formats.


In fact, my friend Liz is a contributor to the Edubuntu project, an 
Ubuntu-based distro specialized for use in education.  It may be worth 
trying that first to see if it runs well on your systems, since it comes 
with many packages for education preinstalled:

http://www.edubuntu.org/

All Ubuntu-based distros can be run from DVD or USB drive without 
needing to install, so you can evaluate the OS and check compatibility 
without altering the computer in any way.


I'd be happy to lend some guidance porting your software to Ubuntu if 
needed.  It probably won't take much, given LC's good support for Linux 
these days.


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Re: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

[Richard Gaskin]

Re. my suggestion that it may be possible for older Macs to stay safe by 
upgrading to OS X 10.6:


Looks like I had more faith in Apple than their decisions warrant, as 
they just knifed the baby, and 19% of Mac users along with it:



Apple Retires Snow Leopard Support, Leaves 1 In 5 Macs In The Dust



Snow Leopard was released on August 28, 2009, and was the last version 
of OS X that ran on 32-bit CPUs.


Sadly, this once-satirical comment about upgrades is increasingly relevant:


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Re: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

[stephen barncard]

"like Lion and Mountain Lion, Mavericks doesn’t cost a thing. "

It costs a LOT if one can run 32 bit any more…  more bricks on the shelf.
Maybe Apple can shut up for a while now that they've forced everyone to 64
bit. It wouldn't be so bad if they hadn't tried to axe popular apps with
completely new workflows. I have no feature in Mavericks that I would want
except to enable newer software, like Final Cut Pro X - if I can endure the
new workflow….and there's no demo available, so I can't even check it out.
It's supposed to be better now.

I'm still pissed about what happened to the REAL Final Cut Pro (7).

And Waveburner, their Brilliant bastard stepchild of a CD mastering
software.  Never heard of it? Not surprised.  (it was bundled with Logic
for years.) - no replacement offered. Those guys don't even know what
"mastering" means any more. It's not about 'crunching' plugins, it's about
workflow. Somebody that probably never used it made the decision.

 I guess the main excuse is about the Carbon/Cocoa thing. They "knifed that
baby" really good - and ignored and dismissed thousands of video
professionals that depended on FCP.  It's the arrogance that ticks me off.
Most went to Adobe Premiere, as Avid has even more downsides. Nobody's
really happy.


sqb

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On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Richard Gaskin
wrote:

> Re. my suggestion that it may be possible for older Macs to stay safe by
> upgrading to OS X 10.6:
>
> Looks like I had more faith in Apple than their decisions warrant, as they
> just knifed the baby, and 19% of Mac users along with it:
>
>
> Apple Retires Snow Leopard Support, Leaves 1 In 5 Macs In The Dust
> 
>
>
>
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