Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...

[Peter Haworth]

I might try adding a basic Notes feature to it, if Bjornke is OK with that.

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On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Mats Wilstrand <
mats.wilstr...@tapirsoft.com> wrote:

> + 1 from me Pete.
>
> Björnke's Docu 2 is a little gem. It has a framework already
> in place to add new features and design from with ease. It's
> fast, works with any LC version, takes care of correcting
> some flaws of the structure and in the xml of the LC dictionary
> and I haven't seen any bugs! It would be the best starting point
> for a community effort to improve the dictionary ecosystem and
> give us nice and needed features like the one Larry suggests.
>
> Best regards
> Mats
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> > Behalf Of Peter Haworth
> > Sent: den 19 mars 2014 16:22
> > To: How to use LiveCode
> > Subject: Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...
> >
> > I hope Bjornke picks up on this.  His Docu2 plugin is already a better
> way
> to
> > view the dictionary and already provides the search mechanisms that have
> > been mentioned . Since it's based on an sqlite database, I suspect it
> would be
> > relatively easy to add a Notes table and associated access routines.
> >
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software
> > On Mar 19, 2014 2:43 AM, "Richmond" 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 19/03/14 11:28, Shawn Blc wrote:
> > >
> > >> This would be a great feature for the Commercial version ;)  Another
> > >> feature to differentiate the two versions.
> > >>
> > >>
> > > Raw Prawns!
> > >
> > > That would be a good thing for both versions.
> > >
> > > Having taken a quick shuftie at the Dictionary this morning, the idea
> > > should not be insurmountable to implement.
> > >
> > > Richmond.
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Richmond
> > >> 
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>  On 19/03/14 01:47, la...@significantplanet.org wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>  Hello Everyone,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Over a year ago I wrote to RR and suggested they allow the user to
> > >>>> add notes directly to the LC dictionary. (for private viewing)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I understand why they need to approve notes that are added for
> > >>>> public viewing.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> But there are literally HUNDREDS of times where I have to figure
> > >>>> something out that is NOT documented in the dictionary.  A recent
> > >>>> example:
> > >>>> I had trouble with the cursor disappearing once I compiled.
> > >>>> Happily, Jacqueline answered the question in here for me.  What I
> > >>>> want to do is go to the dictionary and make my OWN note about that
> > >>>> under "cursor" - since I don't have a photographic memory and
> > >>>> because LC for me is a hobby and not a profession, I will sometimes
> > >>>> go months without using it.  It's too difficult to remember
> > >>>> everything.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sure, I could make a spreadsheet with "cursor" in column 1 and my
> > >>>> notes in column 2 - whatever.  But that seems like a pretty dopey
> > solution.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I hope some of you will agree with me that this feature would be
> > >>>> VERY useful and a great timesaver.  Then let's rattle the LC cage.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks for listening.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Larry
> > >>>> ___
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  That sounds a very good idea indeed.
> > >>>
> > >>> Richmond.
> > >>>
> > >>>
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Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...

[Richmond]

Right; lads and lasses,

the initial release of 7.0.0 is here 

The Dictionary stack looks exactly the same as that in previous releases,
so now we can consider running up some hack-stacks.

Richmond.

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RE: I'm trying to rally the troops...

[Mats Wilstrand]

+ 1 from me Pete. 

Björnke's Docu 2 is a little gem. It has a framework already 
in place to add new features and design from with ease. It's 
fast, works with any LC version, takes care of correcting 
some flaws of the structure and in the xml of the LC dictionary 
and I haven't seen any bugs! It would be the best starting point
for a community effort to improve the dictionary ecosystem and 
give us nice and needed features like the one Larry suggests.

Best regards
Mats


> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf Of Peter Haworth
> Sent: den 19 mars 2014 16:22
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Subject: Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...
> 
> I hope Bjornke picks up on this.  His Docu2 plugin is already a better way
to
> view the dictionary and already provides the search mechanisms that have
> been mentioned . Since it's based on an sqlite database, I suspect it
would be
> relatively easy to add a Notes table and associated access routines.
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software
> On Mar 19, 2014 2:43 AM, "Richmond" 
> wrote:
> 
> > On 19/03/14 11:28, Shawn Blc wrote:
> >
> >> This would be a great feature for the Commercial version ;)  Another
> >> feature to differentiate the two versions.
> >>
> >>
> > Raw Prawns!
> >
> > That would be a good thing for both versions.
> >
> > Having taken a quick shuftie at the Dictionary this morning, the idea
> > should not be insurmountable to implement.
> >
> > Richmond.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Richmond
> >> 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>  On 19/03/14 01:47, la...@significantplanet.org wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Hello Everyone,
> >>>>
> >>>> Over a year ago I wrote to RR and suggested they allow the user to
> >>>> add notes directly to the LC dictionary. (for private viewing)
> >>>>
> >>>> I understand why they need to approve notes that are added for
> >>>> public viewing.
> >>>>
> >>>> But there are literally HUNDREDS of times where I have to figure
> >>>> something out that is NOT documented in the dictionary.  A recent
> >>>> example:
> >>>> I had trouble with the cursor disappearing once I compiled.
> >>>> Happily, Jacqueline answered the question in here for me.  What I
> >>>> want to do is go to the dictionary and make my OWN note about that
> >>>> under "cursor" - since I don't have a photographic memory and
> >>>> because LC for me is a hobby and not a profession, I will sometimes
> >>>> go months without using it.  It's too difficult to remember
> >>>> everything.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sure, I could make a spreadsheet with "cursor" in column 1 and my
> >>>> notes in column 2 - whatever.  But that seems like a pretty dopey
> solution.
> >>>>
> >>>> I hope some of you will agree with me that this feature would be
> >>>> VERY useful and a great timesaver.  Then let's rattle the LC cage.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for listening.
> >>>>
> >>>> Larry
> >>>> ___
> >>>>
> >>>>  That sounds a very good idea indeed.
> >>>
> >>> Richmond.
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...

[Vaughn Clement]

OK this is a video from YouTube showing the LiveCode Dictionary Pro app
demo:

The YouTube link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFDZjxVHgZI&feature=em-upload_owner

This is a demo of the apps main features. I am putting this up for
questions and suggestions. Note: the app will include Video screen help
when it is released. I still have hundreds of records where the
descriptions need to be added. The dictionary has all of the current search
words in now.

Thank you

Vaughn Clement

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On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Richard Gaskin
wrote:

> Richmond wrote:
>
>  On 19/03/14 11:28, Shawn Blc wrote:
>>
>>> This would be a great feature for the Commercial version ;)  Another
>>> feature to differentiate the two versions.
>>>
>>
>> Raw Prawns!
>>
>> That would be a good thing for both versions.
>>
>> Having taken a quick shuftie at the Dictionary this morning, the idea
>> should not be insurmountable to implement.
>>
>
> I agree that it would be best to produce some sort of enhancement for
> personal annotations that could be used by everyone, Commercial and
> Community users alike.
>
> In an ideal world LiveCode would be everywhere, with a solid majority of
> its users enjoying the free Community Edition - indeed, that may well be
> the case already.
>
> The Commercial Edition offers a proprietary license - that should be
> sufficient enticement for those who need that.
>
> For everything else, at least where a feature poses no logical conflict
> with the GPL (such as script encryption), parity between Community and
> Commercial is a valuable goal.
>
> My only hesitation here is with attempting to modify the existing
> Dictionary stack, esp. given the scope of changes the team is implementing
> for v7 and beyond.
>
> But a separate Notes stack that can instantly open relevant Dictionary
> entries with the IDE's revDocumentationGo command would be easily
> achievable, and an ideal community project since it would require no
> coordination with the RunRev IDE team.
>
>
> --
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>  Fourth World
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Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...

[Peter Haworth]

I hope Bjornke picks up on this.  His Docu2 plugin is already a better way
to view the dictionary and already provides the search mechanisms that have
been mentioned . Since it's based on an sqlite database, I suspect it would
be relatively easy to add a Notes table and associated access routines.

Pete
lcSQL Software
On Mar 19, 2014 2:43 AM, "Richmond"  wrote:

> On 19/03/14 11:28, Shawn Blc wrote:
>
>> This would be a great feature for the Commercial version ;)  Another
>> feature to differentiate the two versions.
>>
>>
> Raw Prawns!
>
> That would be a good thing for both versions.
>
> Having taken a quick shuftie at the Dictionary this morning, the idea
> should not be insurmountable to implement.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Richmond 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  On 19/03/14 01:47, la...@significantplanet.org wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hello Everyone,

 Over a year ago I wrote to RR and suggested they allow the user to add
 notes directly to the LC dictionary. (for private viewing)

 I understand why they need to approve notes that are added for public
 viewing.

 But there are literally HUNDREDS of times where I have to figure
 something out that is NOT documented in the dictionary.  A recent
 example:
 I had trouble with the cursor disappearing once I compiled.  Happily,
 Jacqueline answered the question in here for me.  What I want to do is
 go
 to the dictionary and make my OWN note about that under "cursor" -
 since I
 don't have a photographic memory and because LC for me is a hobby and
 not a
 profession, I will sometimes go months without using it.  It's too
 difficult to remember everything.

 Sure, I could make a spreadsheet with "cursor" in column 1 and my notes
 in column 2 - whatever.  But that seems like a pretty dopey solution.

 I hope some of you will agree with me that this feature would be VERY
 useful and a great timesaver.  Then let's rattle the LC cage.

 Thanks for listening.

 Larry
 ___

  That sounds a very good idea indeed.
>>>
>>> Richmond.
>>>
>>>
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Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...

[Richmond]

On 19/03/14 16:26, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Richmond wrote:


On 19/03/14 11:28, Shawn Blc wrote:

This would be a great feature for the Commercial version ;)  Another
feature to differentiate the two versions.


Raw Prawns!

That would be a good thing for both versions.

Having taken a quick shuftie at the Dictionary this morning, the idea
should not be insurmountable to implement.


I agree that it would be best to produce some sort of enhancement for 
personal annotations that could be used by everyone, Commercial and 
Community users alike.


In an ideal world LiveCode would be everywhere, with a solid majority 
of its users enjoying the free Community Edition - indeed, that may 
well be the case already.


The Commercial Edition offers a proprietary license - that should be 
sufficient enticement for those who need that.


For everything else, at least where a feature poses no logical 
conflict with the GPL (such as script encryption), parity between 
Community and Commercial is a valuable goal.


My only hesitation here is with attempting to modify the existing 
Dictionary stack, esp. given the scope of changes the team is 
implementing for v7 and beyond.


I don't think there is much point with mucking around with the 
Dictionary stack right now.


However, when we see what the Dictionary looks like in version 7:

1. Just the same but with more words.

2. Completely redesigned.

Either somebody can hack the Dictionary stack as it is [doesn't get me 
vote],


or somebody can write a 'hack-stack' which people can use to add 
features to the Dictionary stack, AND [very important]

UNDO changes they don't like.

--

When people think of additional features, I feel that the 'hack-stack' route
is a better bet than mucking around with the original thing - these could be
rather like those little things you dropped into your Mac OS 7,8,9 
system folder

to enhance things: easily added and easily removed.

From time to time Apple would then roll the more successful features into
their next release.
-

Richmond.



But a separate Notes stack that can instantly open relevant Dictionary 
entries with the IDE's revDocumentationGo command would be easily 
achievable, and an ideal community project since it would require no 
coordination with the RunRev IDE team.


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Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...

[Richard Gaskin]

Richmond wrote:


On 19/03/14 11:28, Shawn Blc wrote:

This would be a great feature for the Commercial version ;)  Another
feature to differentiate the two versions.


Raw Prawns!

That would be a good thing for both versions.

Having taken a quick shuftie at the Dictionary this morning, the idea
should not be insurmountable to implement.


I agree that it would be best to produce some sort of enhancement for 
personal annotations that could be used by everyone, Commercial and 
Community users alike.


In an ideal world LiveCode would be everywhere, with a solid majority of 
its users enjoying the free Community Edition - indeed, that may well be 
the case already.


The Commercial Edition offers a proprietary license - that should be 
sufficient enticement for those who need that.


For everything else, at least where a feature poses no logical conflict 
with the GPL (such as script encryption), parity between Community and 
Commercial is a valuable goal.


My only hesitation here is with attempting to modify the existing 
Dictionary stack, esp. given the scope of changes the team is 
implementing for v7 and beyond.


But a separate Notes stack that can instantly open relevant Dictionary 
entries with the IDE's revDocumentationGo command would be easily 
achievable, and an ideal community project since it would require no 
coordination with the RunRev IDE team.


--
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 Fourth World
 LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
 Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
 Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys

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Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...

[Richmond]

On 19/03/14 11:28, Shawn Blc wrote:

This would be a great feature for the Commercial version ;)  Another
feature to differentiate the two versions.



Raw Prawns!

That would be a good thing for both versions.

Having taken a quick shuftie at the Dictionary this morning, the idea 
should not be insurmountable to implement.


Richmond.




On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Richmond wrote:


On 19/03/14 01:47, la...@significantplanet.org wrote:


Hello Everyone,

Over a year ago I wrote to RR and suggested they allow the user to add
notes directly to the LC dictionary. (for private viewing)

I understand why they need to approve notes that are added for public
viewing.

But there are literally HUNDREDS of times where I have to figure
something out that is NOT documented in the dictionary.  A recent example:
I had trouble with the cursor disappearing once I compiled.  Happily,
Jacqueline answered the question in here for me.  What I want to do is go
to the dictionary and make my OWN note about that under "cursor" - since I
don't have a photographic memory and because LC for me is a hobby and not a
profession, I will sometimes go months without using it.  It's too
difficult to remember everything.

Sure, I could make a spreadsheet with "cursor" in column 1 and my notes
in column 2 - whatever.  But that seems like a pretty dopey solution.

I hope some of you will agree with me that this feature would be VERY
useful and a great timesaver.  Then let's rattle the LC cage.

Thanks for listening.

Larry
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Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...

[Shawn Blc]

This would be a great feature for the Commercial version ;)  Another
feature to differentiate the two versions.




On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Richmond wrote:

> On 19/03/14 01:47, la...@significantplanet.org wrote:
>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> Over a year ago I wrote to RR and suggested they allow the user to add
>> notes directly to the LC dictionary. (for private viewing)
>>
>> I understand why they need to approve notes that are added for public
>> viewing.
>>
>> But there are literally HUNDREDS of times where I have to figure
>> something out that is NOT documented in the dictionary.  A recent example:
>> I had trouble with the cursor disappearing once I compiled.  Happily,
>> Jacqueline answered the question in here for me.  What I want to do is go
>> to the dictionary and make my OWN note about that under "cursor" - since I
>> don't have a photographic memory and because LC for me is a hobby and not a
>> profession, I will sometimes go months without using it.  It's too
>> difficult to remember everything.
>>
>> Sure, I could make a spreadsheet with "cursor" in column 1 and my notes
>> in column 2 - whatever.  But that seems like a pretty dopey solution.
>>
>> I hope some of you will agree with me that this feature would be VERY
>> useful and a great timesaver.  Then let's rattle the LC cage.
>>
>> Thanks for listening.
>>
>> Larry
>> ___
>>
>
> That sounds a very good idea indeed.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
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Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...

[Richmond]

On 19/03/14 01:47, la...@significantplanet.org wrote:

Hello Everyone,

Over a year ago I wrote to RR and suggested they allow the user to add notes 
directly to the LC dictionary. (for private viewing)

I understand why they need to approve notes that are added for public viewing.

But there are literally HUNDREDS of times where I have to figure something out that is 
NOT documented in the dictionary.  A recent example: I had trouble with the cursor 
disappearing once I compiled.  Happily, Jacqueline answered the question in here for me.  
What I want to do is go to the dictionary and make my OWN note about that under 
"cursor" - since I don't have a photographic memory and because LC for me is a 
hobby and not a profession, I will sometimes go months without using it.  It's too 
difficult to remember everything.

Sure, I could make a spreadsheet with "cursor" in column 1 and my notes in 
column 2 - whatever.  But that seems like a pretty dopey solution.

I hope some of you will agree with me that this feature would be VERY useful 
and a great timesaver.  Then let's rattle the LC cage.

Thanks for listening.

Larry
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Richmond.

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Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...

[J. Landman Gay]

On 3/19/14, 12:05 AM, la...@significantplanet.org wrote:

Me too, Jacqueline!
But who is going to do that?  I wouldn't have a clue how to begin to
make a separate Notes stack that integrates with the Dictionary.  Help!


I'd have a clue, but I don't have the time. Let's make Richard do it, it 
was his idea.


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Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...

[larry]

Me too, Jacqueline!
But who is going to do that?  I wouldn't have a clue how to begin to make a 
separate Notes stack that integrates with the Dictionary.  Help!

Larry

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On 3/18/14, 7:24 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

C. Make an separate Notes stack that integrates with the Dictionary


I like that idea a lot.

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Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...

[J. Landman Gay]

On 3/18/14, 7:24 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

C. Make an separate Notes stack that integrates with the Dictionary


I like that idea a lot.

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Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...

[larry]

Hi Vaughn,
Whenever you're ready with it, I'll be your first customer.
thanks, Larry


- Original Message - 
From: "Vaughn Clement" 

To: "How to use LiveCode" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...



Hi Larry

I would put it in live code but! The LC issue with relational databases is
not so good. That is why the LC people used DataGrids to do the Dictionary
and that doesn't present the best way to do searches and to use a
relational table design.

My issue with LiveCode is you need to first learn the language, and that 
is

a starting point to then learn the scripting. I wanted to develop a tool
that allows me to do a global search by a word, or a phrase and then see
everything in the entire dictionary that has that word or phrase. It also
needs to allow the users to add their own code or definitions data to any
part of the dictionary. I wanted it to have subrecords under the main LC
dictionary words where the user could add their own custom uses for that
term. Then also have user defined search words that are a part of
extensions and plugins. I also wanted plugin and extensions developers to
add their custom content to the user defined area. Not done yet, then
custom behaviors usage and custom property example can be added to the 
user

defined records.  The icing on the cake is the built in Google translation
editor where users can convert any text to their language.

All of the data will be available to edit, copy and paste into external
media or scripts. NOTE: I have hundreds of hours in the development and
that is only to add data, it will have ongoing support to maintain the
dictionary. That does not include the hosting fees. So I will have two
types of users, those who can see all of the records, but cannot edit or
copy data. Then for an annual donation of $12.00 or $1 month per user you
will have full access to all the features like editing copy, paste an so 
on.


Thank you

Vaughn Clement

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On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 5:19 PM,  wrote:


Hello Vaughn,
That's great.  I hope you're saying the app would integrate directly into
LiveCode?  I really don't want to have it be a separate app, but even 
that

would be OK if your app also includes ALL the LC dictionary and notes.


- Original Message - From: "Vaughn Clement" 
To: "How to use LiveCode" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...


 Hi larry


I am in the process of doing just what your asking for, a dictionary 
that

allows you to edit, add, and save code. It will be online in the next 15
days. I will even have Google translate in the app where you can convert
the scripts or text to any language. I will annonce the app very soon.

On Tuesday, March 18, 2014,  wrote:

 Hello Everyone,


Over a year ago I wrote to RR and suggested they allow the user to add
notes directly to the LC dictionary. (for private viewing)

I understand why they need to approve notes that are added for public
viewing.

But there are literally HUNDREDS of times where I have to figure
something
out that is NOT documented in the dictionary.  A recent example: I had
trouble with the cursor disappearing once I compiled.  Happily,
Jacqueline
answered the question in here for me.  What I want to do is go to the
dictionary and make my OWN note about that under "cursor" - since I 
don't

have a photographic memory and because LC for me is a hobby and not a
profession, I will sometimes go months without using it.  It's too
difficult to remember everything.

Sure, I could make a spreadsheet with "cursor" in column 1 and my notes
in
column 2 - whatever.  But that seems like a pretty dopey solution.

I hope some of you will agree with me that this feature would be VERY
useful and a great timesaver.  Then let's rattle the LC cage.

Thanks for listening.

Larry
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Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...

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Tuesday, March 18, 2014, 7:09:48 PM, you wrote:

> All of the data will be available to edit, copy and paste into external
> media or scripts. NOTE: I have hundreds of hours in the development and
> that is only to add data, it will have ongoing support to maintain the
> dictionary. That does not include the hosting fees. So I will have two
> types of users, those who can see all of the records, but cannot edit or
> copy data. Then for an annual donation of $12.00 or $1 month per user you
> will have full access to all the features like editing copy, paste an so on.

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Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...

[Vaughn Clement]

Hi Larry

I would put it in live code but! The LC issue with relational databases is
not so good. That is why the LC people used DataGrids to do the Dictionary
and that doesn't present the best way to do searches and to use a
relational table design.

My issue with LiveCode is you need to first learn the language, and that is
a starting point to then learn the scripting. I wanted to develop a tool
that allows me to do a global search by a word, or a phrase and then see
everything in the entire dictionary that has that word or phrase. It also
needs to allow the users to add their own code or definitions data to any
part of the dictionary. I wanted it to have subrecords under the main LC
dictionary words where the user could add their own custom uses for that
term. Then also have user defined search words that are a part of
extensions and plugins. I also wanted plugin and extensions developers to
add their custom content to the user defined area. Not done yet, then
custom behaviors usage and custom property example can be added to the user
defined records.  The icing on the cake is the built in Google translation
editor where users can convert any text to their language.

All of the data will be available to edit, copy and paste into external
media or scripts. NOTE: I have hundreds of hours in the development and
that is only to add data, it will have ongoing support to maintain the
dictionary. That does not include the hosting fees. So I will have two
types of users, those who can see all of the records, but cannot edit or
copy data. Then for an annual donation of $12.00 or $1 month per user you
will have full access to all the features like editing copy, paste an so on.

Thank you

Vaughn Clement

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On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 5:19 PM,  wrote:

> Hello Vaughn,
> That's great.  I hope you're saying the app would integrate directly into
> LiveCode?  I really don't want to have it be a separate app, but even that
> would be OK if your app also includes ALL the LC dictionary and notes.
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Vaughn Clement" 
> To: "How to use LiveCode" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 6:13 PM
> Subject: Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...
>
>
>  Hi larry
>>
>> I am in the process of doing just what your asking for, a dictionary that
>> allows you to edit, add, and save code. It will be online in the next 15
>> days. I will even have Google translate in the app where you can convert
>> the scripts or text to any language. I will annonce the app very soon.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 18, 2014,  wrote:
>>
>>  Hello Everyone,
>>>
>>> Over a year ago I wrote to RR and suggested they allow the user to add
>>> notes directly to the LC dictionary. (for private viewing)
>>>
>>> I understand why they need to approve notes that are added for public
>>> viewing.
>>>
>>> But there are literally HUNDREDS of times where I have to figure
>>> something
>>> out that is NOT documented in the dictionary.  A recent example: I had
>>> trouble with the cursor disappearing once I compiled.  Happily,
>>> Jacqueline
>>> answered the question in here for me.  What I want to do is go to the
>>> dictionary and make my OWN note about that under "cursor" - since I don't
>>> have a photographic memory and because LC for me is a hobby and not a
>>> profession, I will sometimes go months without using it.  It's too
>>> difficult to remember everything.
>>>
>>> Sure, I could make a spreadsheet with "cursor" in column 1 and my notes
>>> in
>>> column 2 - whatever.  But that seems like a pretty dopey solution.
>>>
>>> I hope some of you will agree with me that this feature would be VERY
>>> useful and a great timesaver.  Then let's rattle the LC cage.
>>>
>>> Thanks for listening.
>>>
>>> Larry
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Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...

[Richard Gaskin]

larry wrote:


Hello Richard,
Great thoughts!  I hope someone will do what you suggest.  As I said, I
program as a hobby and not as a pro, so I'll have to leave it up to the rest
of you.  But I know what features I would like!


You may be selling yourself short, Larry.  After all, we all started out 
as hobbyists, and became pros only when we discovered people wanted to 
pay us to pursue our hobby. :)


I look forward to seeing what Vaughn's been working on.  Sounds quite 
promising.


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Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...

[larry]

Hello Richard,
Great thoughts!  I hope someone will do what you suggest.  As I said, I 
program as a hobby and not as a pro, so I'll have to leave it up to the rest 
of you.  But I know what features I would like!

Thanks, Larry

- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Gaskin" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...


larry wrote:

> Over a year ago I wrote to RR and suggested they allow the user to
> add notes directly to the LC dictionary. (for private viewing)
>
> I understand why they need to approve notes that are added for public
> viewing.
>
> But there are literally HUNDREDS of times where I have to figure
> something out that is NOT documented in the dictionary.  A recent
> example: I had trouble with the cursor disappearing once I compiled.
> Happily, Jacqueline answered the question in here for me.  What I
> want to do is go to the dictionary and make my OWN note about that
> under "cursor" - since I don't have a photographic memory and because
> LC for me is a hobby and not a profession, I will sometimes go months
> without using it.  It's too difficult to remember everything.
>
> Sure, I could make a spreadsheet with "cursor" in column 1 and my
> notes in column 2 - whatever.  But that seems like a pretty dopey
> solution.
>
> I hope some of you will agree with me that this feature would be VERY
> useful and a great timesaver.  Then let's rattle the LC cage.
>
> Thanks for listening.

On the contrary, thank you for writing that.

One of the things that I especially like about it is that it's achievable.

I suspect rattling RunRev's cage would introduce a wait on something
like this, because at the moment they have an army of Kickstarter
backers to whom they need to fulfill their promises.

But what you're talking about is quite doable without them - maybe the
cage we should be rattling is our own.

There are a few ways this could be done:

A. Update the IDE's Dictionary to include this

B. Replace the IDE's Dictionary with something else that includes this
and perhaps much more

C. Make an separate Notes stack that integrates with the Dictionary

All of these are doable, but I wonder if C may the easiest, since A
requires coordination with their own ongoing changes and we don't yet
have a GitHub-like setup for IDE elements, and B is a lot of work and we
could expect some might still prefer the one included in the IDE.

Option C could be built at any time by anyone, freely shared, and
perhaps with additional features added by other members of the
community.  And being separate from the IDE itself it would maintain a
healthy "separation of concerns" that often bogs down projects that
don't stay mindful of such things.

While poking around in the IDE I discovered a nifty command:

   revDocumentationGo 

e.g.:

   revDocumentationGo "securityPermissions"

So quickly opening the Dictionary from a given Note card is a one-liner.

For making the creation of Notes easier, I'll bet there's a handy way to
obtain the token currently displayed in the Dictionary, so you could
just click a "New" button and it would fill in the token name for you.

All that's needed is for someone to take this on.  Once it gets started,
others would likely pitch in to help.

Option B may also be good if you could start with one of the existing
Dictionary replacements, like Björnke's if he's up for that.


Many of us still think of LiveCode in terms of a proprietary product,
but the open source thang is more than just a gimme for educators and
in-house developers:

RunRev's open source initiative seems a very earnest effort to liberate
the world with a really fun programming language; the Commercial Edition
licenses are just a means to that end, keeping the pro devs in their
audience happy with a proprietary license option and commercial-quality
features, and enough money coming in to keep the whole effort going.

The more time I've spent with open source projects, the more I've come
to think of them as an "us" proposition, an opportunity for partnership
between a vendor and their community to continually improve the software
experience.

Projects like the one you've proposed may well serve as a good example
of this new dynamic, exploring ways to make the best use of resources
both within the company and within the community.

--
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 Fourth World
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 Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
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Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...

[Richard Gaskin]

larry wrote:

> Over a year ago I wrote to RR and suggested they allow the user to
> add notes directly to the LC dictionary. (for private viewing)
>
> I understand why they need to approve notes that are added for public
> viewing.
>
> But there are literally HUNDREDS of times where I have to figure
> something out that is NOT documented in the dictionary.  A recent
> example: I had trouble with the cursor disappearing once I compiled.
> Happily, Jacqueline answered the question in here for me.  What I
> want to do is go to the dictionary and make my OWN note about that
> under "cursor" - since I don't have a photographic memory and because
> LC for me is a hobby and not a profession, I will sometimes go months
> without using it.  It's too difficult to remember everything.
>
> Sure, I could make a spreadsheet with "cursor" in column 1 and my
> notes in column 2 - whatever.  But that seems like a pretty dopey
> solution.
>
> I hope some of you will agree with me that this feature would be VERY
> useful and a great timesaver.  Then let's rattle the LC cage.
>
> Thanks for listening.

On the contrary, thank you for writing that.

One of the things that I especially like about it is that it's achievable.

I suspect rattling RunRev's cage would introduce a wait on something 
like this, because at the moment they have an army of Kickstarter 
backers to whom they need to fulfill their promises.


But what you're talking about is quite doable without them - maybe the 
cage we should be rattling is our own.


There are a few ways this could be done:

A. Update the IDE's Dictionary to include this

B. Replace the IDE's Dictionary with something else that includes this 
and perhaps much more


C. Make an separate Notes stack that integrates with the Dictionary

All of these are doable, but I wonder if C may the easiest, since A 
requires coordination with their own ongoing changes and we don't yet 
have a GitHub-like setup for IDE elements, and B is a lot of work and we 
could expect some might still prefer the one included in the IDE.


Option C could be built at any time by anyone, freely shared, and 
perhaps with additional features added by other members of the 
community.  And being separate from the IDE itself it would maintain a 
healthy "separation of concerns" that often bogs down projects that 
don't stay mindful of such things.


While poking around in the IDE I discovered a nifty command:

   revDocumentationGo 

e.g.:

   revDocumentationGo "securityPermissions"

So quickly opening the Dictionary from a given Note card is a one-liner.

For making the creation of Notes easier, I'll bet there's a handy way to 
obtain the token currently displayed in the Dictionary, so you could 
just click a "New" button and it would fill in the token name for you.


All that's needed is for someone to take this on.  Once it gets started, 
others would likely pitch in to help.


Option B may also be good if you could start with one of the existing 
Dictionary replacements, like Björnke's if he's up for that.



Many of us still think of LiveCode in terms of a proprietary product, 
but the open source thang is more than just a gimme for educators and 
in-house developers:


RunRev's open source initiative seems a very earnest effort to liberate 
the world with a really fun programming language; the Commercial Edition 
licenses are just a means to that end, keeping the pro devs in their 
audience happy with a proprietary license option and commercial-quality 
features, and enough money coming in to keep the whole effort going.


The more time I've spent with open source projects, the more I've come 
to think of them as an "us" proposition, an opportunity for partnership 
between a vendor and their community to continually improve the software 
experience.


Projects like the one you've proposed may well serve as a good example 
of this new dynamic, exploring ways to make the best use of resources 
both within the company and within the community.


--
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 Fourth World
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 Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
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Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...

[larry]

Hello Vaughn,
That's great.  I hope you're saying the app would integrate directly into 
LiveCode?  I really don't want to have it be a separate app, but even that 
would be OK if your app also includes ALL the LC dictionary and notes.



- Original Message - 
From: "Vaughn Clement" 

To: "How to use LiveCode" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: I'm trying to rally the troops...



Hi larry

I am in the process of doing just what your asking for, a dictionary that
allows you to edit, add, and save code. It will be online in the next 15
days. I will even have Google translate in the app where you can convert
the scripts or text to any language. I will annonce the app very soon.

On Tuesday, March 18, 2014,  wrote:


Hello Everyone,

Over a year ago I wrote to RR and suggested they allow the user to add
notes directly to the LC dictionary. (for private viewing)

I understand why they need to approve notes that are added for public
viewing.

But there are literally HUNDREDS of times where I have to figure 
something

out that is NOT documented in the dictionary.  A recent example: I had
trouble with the cursor disappearing once I compiled.  Happily, 
Jacqueline

answered the question in here for me.  What I want to do is go to the
dictionary and make my OWN note about that under "cursor" - since I don't
have a photographic memory and because LC for me is a hobby and not a
profession, I will sometimes go months without using it.  It's too
difficult to remember everything.

Sure, I could make a spreadsheet with "cursor" in column 1 and my notes 
in

column 2 - whatever.  But that seems like a pretty dopey solution.

I hope some of you will agree with me that this feature would be VERY
useful and a great timesaver.  Then let's rattle the LC cage.

Thanks for listening.

Larry
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[Vaughn Clement]

Hi larry

I am in the process of doing just what your asking for, a dictionary that
allows you to edit, add, and save code. It will be online in the next 15
days. I will even have Google translate in the app where you can convert
the scripts or text to any language. I will annonce the app very soon.

On Tuesday, March 18, 2014,  wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> Over a year ago I wrote to RR and suggested they allow the user to add
> notes directly to the LC dictionary. (for private viewing)
>
> I understand why they need to approve notes that are added for public
> viewing.
>
> But there are literally HUNDREDS of times where I have to figure something
> out that is NOT documented in the dictionary.  A recent example: I had
> trouble with the cursor disappearing once I compiled.  Happily, Jacqueline
> answered the question in here for me.  What I want to do is go to the
> dictionary and make my OWN note about that under "cursor" - since I don't
> have a photographic memory and because LC for me is a hobby and not a
> profession, I will sometimes go months without using it.  It's too
> difficult to remember everything.
>
> Sure, I could make a spreadsheet with "cursor" in column 1 and my notes in
> column 2 - whatever.  But that seems like a pretty dopey solution.
>
> I hope some of you will agree with me that this feature would be VERY
> useful and a great timesaver.  Then let's rattle the LC cage.
>
> Thanks for listening.
>
> Larry
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