Re: LiveCode 6.6.1 RC1

2014-04-01 Thread Richmond

On 31/03/14 23:00, Terence Heaford wrote:

Forgive my scepticism. I have just followed your link and noted the following 
under the Cocoa stretch goal. Despite this we are NOT getting native Cocoa 
controls.

Upgrade our Mac OS X platform support to fully use Cocoa. This will ensure seamless 
support of all the latest Mac OS X features. Create beautiful OS X apps that get all 
little user interface details spot on.


All the best

Terry




'Stretch' is as stretch does. The word implies all sorts of things:

1. Attaining those goals can be stretched for quite some time.

2. 'Stretching the truth' is a nifty phrase.

3. Remember those Physics lessons and Hooke's law?

ALSO:

If you go back and look at the Kickstarter goals ('goals' as in 'goals', 
let alone 'stretch goals')
you will see that there is quite some time to go before those have all 
been implemented.


One of the most interesting (and the most contentious as far as I am 
concerned) is a
new GUI . . . although I notice nothing has been said about that 
subsequently: whether

quietly dropped or shelved indefinitely, who knows.

In fact, if I am really honest I would be very happy if RunRev could 
give us some sort of
GANTT chart-like thing with all those Kickstarter goals and stretch 
goals so we could have
some idea as to when (relatively speaking) we could expect some of them 
to be implemented.


-

I would hope that your scepticism is caused by the lack of complete 
openness in RunRev's
part re attaining those goals, rather than their having dropped and/or 
adjusted some of them

post the Kickstarter campaign without telling the investors why.

Richmond.

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Re: LiveCode 6.6.1 RC1

2014-03-31 Thread Terence Heaford

When can Mac Users have a Tab Panel that does not display the selected tab with 
black text on a dark grey background?

I am a new user of LC and find this rather off-putting.

I believe, not 100% sure, that this has been requested 2 years ago?

Thanks

Terry



On 31 Mar 2014, at 18:47, Benjamin Beaumont b...@runrev.com wrote:

 Dear List Members.
 
 We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 6.6.1 RC1.
 
 This is a maintenance release for the 6.6 series and contain 4 bug fixes.
 The most notable bug fix is 12010 which resulted in quite a number of bug
 reports on Windows. It caused applications to stop redrawing correctly,
 lock ups and even crashes when applications were run for a long period of
 time.
 
 *Release Contents*
 
   - 4 bug fixes
  - 12010 -  Windows engine hangs after multiple stack redraws.
  - 11975 -  import snapshot from rect ... only imports part of the
  screen on Windows
  - 11946 -  iOS 7.1 Simulator doesn't remember device type when
  launching using 'Test'
  - 11708 -  Android apps only partially drawn after rotating device
  during lock screen
 
 
 *Getting this release*
 To upgrade to this release please select check for updates from the help
 menu in LiveCode or download the installers directly at:
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
 
 *Reporting Bugs*
 If you encounter an issue with this release please submit a bug report to
 our quality centre: http://quality.runrev.com/enter_bug.cgi
 
 Warm regards,
 
 The LiveCode Team
 
 _
 
 Benjamin Beaumont . RunRev Ltd
 
 LiveCode Product Manager
 mail : 25a Thistle Street Lane South West, Edinburgh, EH2 1EW
 email : b...@runrev.com
 company : +44(0) 845 219 89 23
 fax : +44(0) 845 458 8487
 web : www.runrev.com
 
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Re: LiveCode 6.6.1 RC1

2014-03-31 Thread Peter Bogdanoff
Hear, hear.

Peter

 On Mar 31, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Terence Heaford t.heaf...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 
 When can Mac Users have a Tab Panel that does not display the selected tab 
 with black text on a dark grey background?
 
 I am a new user of LC and find this rather off-putting.
 
 I believe, not 100% sure, that this has been requested 2 years ago?
 
 Thanks
 
 Terry
 
 
 
 On 31 Mar 2014, at 18:47, Benjamin Beaumont b...@runrev.com wrote:
 
 Dear List Members.
 
 We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 6.6.1 RC1.
 
 This is a maintenance release for the 6.6 series and contain 4 bug fixes.
 The most notable bug fix is 12010 which resulted in quite a number of bug
 reports on Windows. It caused applications to stop redrawing correctly,
 lock ups and even crashes when applications were run for a long period of
 time.
 
 *Release Contents*
 
  - 4 bug fixes
 - 12010 -  Windows engine hangs after multiple stack redraws.
 - 11975 -  import snapshot from rect ... only imports part of the
 screen on Windows
 - 11946 -  iOS 7.1 Simulator doesn't remember device type when
 launching using 'Test'
 - 11708 -  Android apps only partially drawn after rotating device
 during lock screen
 
 
 *Getting this release*
 To upgrade to this release please select check for updates from the help
 menu in LiveCode or download the installers directly at:
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
 
 *Reporting Bugs*
 If you encounter an issue with this release please submit a bug report to
 our quality centre: http://quality.runrev.com/enter_bug.cgi
 
 Warm regards,
 
 The LiveCode Team
 
 _
 
 Benjamin Beaumont . RunRev Ltd
 
 LiveCode Product Manager
 mail : 25a Thistle Street Lane South West, Edinburgh, EH2 1EW
 email : b...@runrev.com
 company : +44(0) 845 219 89 23
 fax : +44(0) 845 458 8487
 web : www.runrev.com
 
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Re: LiveCode 6.6.1 RC1

2014-03-31 Thread Devin Asay

On Mar 31, 2014, at 12:15 PM, Peter Bogdanoff bogdan...@me.com
 wrote:

 Hear, hear.
 
 Peter
 
 On Mar 31, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Terence Heaford t.heaf...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 
 When can Mac Users have a Tab Panel that does not display the selected tab 
 with black text on a dark grey background?
 
 I am a new user of LC and find this rather off-putting.
 
 I believe, not 100% sure, that this has been requested 2 years ago?

This will probably be doable once theming is added. It was one of the 
Kickstarter stretch goals.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode/posts/414431


Devin

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Re: LiveCode 6.6.1 RC1

2014-03-31 Thread Terence Heaford
Forgive my scepticism. I have just followed your link and noted the following 
under the Cocoa stretch goal. Despite this we are NOT getting native Cocoa 
controls.

Upgrade our Mac OS X platform support to fully use Cocoa. This will ensure 
seamless support of all the latest Mac OS X features. Create beautiful OS X 
apps that get all little user interface details spot on.


All the best

Terry

 On 31 Mar 2014, at 20:45, Devin Asay devin_a...@byu.edu wrote:
 
 
 On Mar 31, 2014, at 12:15 PM, Peter Bogdanoff bogdan...@me.com
 wrote:
 
 Hear, hear.
 
 Peter
 
 On Mar 31, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Terence Heaford t.heaf...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 
 When can Mac Users have a Tab Panel that does not display the selected tab 
 with black text on a dark grey background?
 
 I am a new user of LC and find this rather off-putting.
 
 I believe, not 100% sure, that this has been requested 2 years ago?
 
 This will probably be doable once theming is added. It was one of the 
 Kickstarter stretch goals.
 
 https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode/posts/414431
 
 
 Devin
 
 Devin Asay
 Learn to code with LiveCode University
 http://university.livecode.com
 
 
 
 
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Re: LiveCode 6.6.1 RC1

2014-03-31 Thread Devin Asay

On Mar 31, 2014, at 2:00 PM, Terence Heaford t.heaf...@btinternet.com
 wrote:

 Forgive my scepticism. I have just followed your link and noted the following 
 under the Cocoa stretch goal. Despite this we are NOT getting native Cocoa 
 controls.
 
 Upgrade our Mac OS X platform support to fully use Cocoa. This will ensure 
 seamless support of all the latest Mac OS X features. Create beautiful OS X 
 apps that get all little user interface details spot on.

Point taken. But there are lots of reasons to upgrade to Cocoa, native controls 
is only one of them. The LiveCode team seem to be focusing on the 
under-the-hood stuff for now. From the release notes:

• Allow embedding of native 'NSViews' into LiveCode windows (in particular, 
browser controls).
• Enable submission of LiveCode apps to the Mac AppStore.
• Enable eventual building of 64-bit versions of LiveCode for Mac.

The point of theme support, on the other hand, is pretty narrow--allow 
developers to create exactly the look and feel they want. 

RunRev are still in the early stages of implementing some of these stretch 
goals. I wouldn't give up pushing for native Cocoa controls.

Regards,

Devin



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