Re: Missing a chance
Richmond wrote: > Livecode is so not here it makes me howl: > > https://elearningindustry.com/list-of-authoring-tools-part-1 > https://elearningindustry.com/list-of-authoring-tools-part-2 > https://elearningindustry.com/37-authoring-tools Yes, there are many thousands of tools lists across the web, and it's always good to add LC to those when we come across them. But I don't understand the "howl" - was your nominating LC to that one rejected? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Missing a chance
No my howl was because I shouldn't hgave to add LC: it should be one of the automatic authoring tools of choice. R. On 25.08.2016 22:21, Richard Gaskin wrote: Richmond wrote: > Livecode is so not here it makes me howl: > > https://elearningindustry.com/list-of-authoring-tools-part-1 > https://elearningindustry.com/list-of-authoring-tools-part-2 > https://elearningindustry.com/37-authoring-tools Yes, there are many thousands of tools lists across the web, and it's always good to add LC to those when we come across them. But I don't understand the "howl" - was your nominating LC to that one rejected? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Missing a chance
Richmond wrote: > On 25.08.2016 22:21, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> Richmond wrote: >> >> > Livecode is so not here it makes me howl: >> > >> > https://elearningindustry.com/list-of-authoring-tools-part-1 >> > https://elearningindustry.com/list-of-authoring-tools-part-2 >> > https://elearningindustry.com/37-authoring-tools >> >> Yes, there are many thousands of tools lists across the web, and it's >> always good to add LC to those when we come across them. >> >> But I don't understand the "howl" - was your nominating LC to that >> one rejected? > > No my howl was because I shouldn't hgave to add LC: it should be one > of the automatic authoring tools of choice. Why? We here on this list know LiveCode well, and we know that we can craft excellent authoring tools with it. But unless we spread the word, how can we expect the word to be spread? Carpe diem! -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Missing a chance
Yeah, nobody I talk to or read has ever heard of Livecode. One of the larger freelance developer recruiting websites doesn't even bother to ask anyone if they know Livecode, and I half suspect they had to google it before they answered my question. I'm not really looking forward to having to get developers trained up from scratch before they can work with me, but it is what it is. On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 11:01 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Richmond wrote: > > > On 25.08.2016 22:21, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> Richmond wrote: > >> > >> > Livecode is so not here it makes me howl: > >> > > >> > https://elearningindustry.com/list-of-authoring-tools-part-1 > >> > https://elearningindustry.com/list-of-authoring-tools-part-2 > >> > https://elearningindustry.com/37-authoring-tools > >> > >> Yes, there are many thousands of tools lists across the web, and it's > >> always good to add LC to those when we come across them. > >> > >> But I don't understand the "howl" - was your nominating LC to that > >> one rejected? > > > > No my howl was because I shouldn't hgave to add LC: it should be one > > of the automatic authoring tools of choice. > > Why? > > We here on this list know LiveCode well, and we know that we can craft > excellent authoring tools with it. > > But unless we spread the word, how can we expect the word to be spread? > > Carpe diem! > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web > > ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Missing a chance
Well, in our business, we use livecode everyday. We're using livecode for our internal tools and to develop tools for our customers. Livecode is very powerful, but it is not very "popular" between coders and developers. If you are waiting to get a job like "livecode programer" on a big company, or find livecode developers on the market, then...bad news... You have to "create" your own developers with patience and time. I think that livecode is a really good tool if you have your own small business (like me), and you have a good relations with your customers. My customers doesn't want to know my development tools (livecode), they want solutions to their problems. But on the "big market"...People are looking for java, python, objetive-C, PHP, and .net projects...They know nothing about livecode. In my opinion: Runrev needs to spend more money in marketing, because this tool is really wonderful. We need a strong livecode community to bring livecode to the next level. Best PS: I'm not english speaker native. On 26/08/16 07:58, Matt Maier wrote: Yeah, nobody I talk to or read has ever heard of Livecode. One of the larger freelance developer recruiting websites doesn't even bother to ask anyone if they know Livecode, and I half suspect they had to google it before they answered my question. I'm not really looking forward to having to get developers trained up from scratch before they can work with me, but it is what it is. On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 11:01 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Richmond wrote: On 25.08.2016 22:21, Richard Gaskin wrote: Richmond wrote: Livecode is so not here it makes me howl: https://elearningindustry.com/list-of-authoring-tools-part-1 https://elearningindustry.com/list-of-authoring-tools-part-2 https://elearningindustry.com/37-authoring-tools Yes, there are many thousands of tools lists across the web, and it's always good to add LC to those when we come across them. But I don't understand the "howl" - was your nominating LC to that one rejected? No my howl was because I shouldn't hgave to add LC: it should be one of the automatic authoring tools of choice. Why? We here on this list know LiveCode well, and we know that we can craft excellent authoring tools with it. But unless we spread the word, how can we expect the word to be spread? Carpe diem! -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Missing a chance
As I have mentioned before in such threads, large companies need to consider a number of factors when working with custom software solutions, not the least of which is being able to find another developer who can code in the same environment as the one who drove off a bridge, or got hit by a meteor. The LC developer base is nowhere near being able to provide that security, and IMHO will never be. It has nothing to do with what is the better tool. "Better" is a relative term, and a tool for what is the question begged. Can you write a stable, robust business application in Livecode? Absolutely! How many of us can do that? Some small percentage of us I think. How many of us have the time to devote to doing that? Some smaller percentage methinks. I think that like Apple, the worst thing RunRev can do is try to be something they are not, or will never be perceived as being. Livecode is not a competing product to Objective C or C++. It's a different animal altogether. It's a Rapid Application Development Environment, and the final compiled product is decidedly NOT what a typical binary executable is. Not does it need to be. There are no hobbyist C++ developers (who produce useful applications/utilities that is). You are all in, or else you are wasting time and resources to even get started. Livecode however can be taken up by nearly anyone capable of piecing together UI objects, and making them do what they want. In summary, LC is an application constructor set. Lots of big prefab pieces that can be glommed together for a given task. C++ and other variants are like a building supply warehouse complete with all the tools you would ever need to build almost anything. MHO Bob S On Aug 26, 2016, at 08:01 , Heriberto Torrado González mailto:htorr...@networkdreams.es>> wrote: My customers doesn't want to know my development tools (livecode), they want solutions to their problems. But on the "big market"...People are looking for java, python, objetive-C, PHP, and .net projects...They know nothing about livecode. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Missing a chance
Very well thought out. On 27.08.2016 02:23, Bob Sneidar wrote: As I have mentioned before in such threads, large companies need to consider a number of factors when working with custom software solutions, not the least of which is being able to find another developer who can code in the same environment as the one who drove off a bridge, or got hit by a meteor. The LC developer base is nowhere near being able to provide that security, and IMHO will never be. It has nothing to do with what is the better tool. "Better" is a relative term, and a tool for what is the question begged. Can you write a stable, robust business application in Livecode? Absolutely! How many of us can do that? Some small percentage of us I think. How many of us have the time to devote to doing that? Some smaller percentage methinks. I think that like Apple, the worst thing RunRev can do is try to be something they are not, or will never be perceived as being. Livecode is not a competing product to Objective C or C++. It's a different animal altogether. It's a Rapid Application Development Environment, and the final compiled product is decidedly NOT what a typical binary executable is. Not does it need to be. There are no hobbyist C++ developers (who produce useful applications/utilities that is). You are all in, or else you are wasting time and resources to even get started. Livecode however can be taken up by nearly anyone capable of piecing together UI objects, and making them do what they want. In summary, LC is an application constructor set. Lots of big prefab pieces that can be glommed together for a given task. C++ and other variants are like a building supply warehouse complete with all the tools you would ever need to build almost anything. One useful thing might be a list of what Livecode CANNOT do. I am sure that, given time, energy, motivation and, inevitably, funding, Livecode can be used to do everything oone can do with C++. I am waiting to be corrected. Richmond. MHO Bob S On Aug 26, 2016, at 08:01 , Heriberto Torrado González mailto:htorr...@networkdreams.es>> wrote: My customers doesn't want to know my development tools (livecode), they want solutions to their problems. But on the "big market"...People are looking for java, python, objetive-C, PHP, and .net projects...They know nothing about livecode. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Missing a chance
On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 7:23 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > There are no hobbyist C++ developers (who produce useful > applications/utilities that is). SourceForge isn't exactly the 'in' place for OSS these days but even so I think it does represent a location (indication) where part time and hobbyist coders hang out. If I do a search for 'Home and Education', AND OS X AND written in C++ it comes up with 35 pages with about 26 projects on each page. Now yes, it might be debatable as to how many of these are 'useful', but still SourceForge seems to have plenty examples of useful Apps that are written in C++ that are the work hobbyists*. A search of Github also shows there are plenty of examples of C++ apps by hobbyists. * I know professional drivers (bus/truck) who participate in car gymkhanas and/or rallying. I know electronic engineers who play with Arduinos and/or Raspberry Pis for fun. I know Engineers who build scale live steam locomotives as a hobby. Just because someone might program as a profession doesn't mean they can't program in C++ as a hobby. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Missing a chance
On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > There are no hobbyist C++ developers (who produce useful > applications/utilities that is). Just offhand,there's LyX . . . And for straight C, I can think of a couple of huge examples without even thinking . . . Unlike every other language I've used, though, C and C++ fall out of my head quickly after using them, and have to be relearned every time (But I do love the scope in them for very local variables). And this from someone who recalled the chain rule when sitting down again to calculus after ten years, and could be programming in Forth or LISP again in a matter of minutes . . . -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Missing a chance
Thinking even. Bob S On Aug 29, 2016, at 10:17 , Bob Sneidar mailto:bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com>> wrote: If you can think without think, then you sir, are a better man than I. ;-) Bob S On Aug 28, 2016, at 09:01 , Dr. Hawkins mailto:doch...@gmail.com>> wrote: And for straight C, I can think of a couple of huge examples without even thinking . . . ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Missing a chance
If you can think without think, then you sir, are a better man than I. ;-) Bob S On Aug 28, 2016, at 09:01 , Dr. Hawkins mailto:doch...@gmail.com>> wrote: And for straight C, I can think of a couple of huge examples without even thinking . . . ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Missing a chance
On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > If you can think without think, then you sir, are a better man than I. ;-) > Also, I can read with both eyes shut. (hmm, probably means nothing to non US folks. It's a very late Dr. Seuss book). -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Missing a chance
On 30.08.2016 03:53, Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: If you can think without think, then you sir, are a better man than I. ;-) Also, I can read with both eyes shut. (hmm, probably means nothing to non US folks. It's a very late Dr. Seuss book). It must be one of the few Dr Seuss books that didn't make it "across the pond" as I was brought up on Dr Seuss books even though I wasn't a child in the USA. I would be glad of the reference so I can have a chance to catch up. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Missing a chance
On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 11:51 PM, Richmond wrote: > It must be one of the few Dr Seuss books that didn't make it "across the > pond" as I was brought > up on Dr Seuss books even though I wasn't a child in the USA. > > I would be glad of the reference so I can have a chance to catch up. > good "seuss i can read with my eyes shut" gets variety, including a coulee of youtube readings. "Oh the things you can think" is another late one, targeted at adults, iirc. And somewhere either my father or I has "the wartime dr. seuss" with Giesel's WWII cartoons. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Missing a chance
Why do we say RR has to spend more on marketing? They have a marketing person and somebody looking after the website Seems like they are doing the minimum at work and that's it. Am I being harsh or just stating the obvious it doesn't cost any extra money to do what Richmond did and search these sites out. Sent from my iPhone > On 30 Aug 2016, at 16:37, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 11:51 PM, Richmond > wrote: > >> It must be one of the few Dr Seuss books that didn't make it "across the >> pond" as I was brought >> up on Dr Seuss books even though I wasn't a child in the USA. >> >> I would be glad of the reference so I can have a chance to catch up. > > good "seuss i can read with my eyes shut" gets variety, including a coulee > of youtube readings. > > "Oh the things you can think" is another late one, targeted at adults, iirc. > > And somewhere either my father or I has "the wartime dr. seuss" with > Giesel's WWII cartoons. > > > -- > Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. > (702) 508-8462 > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Missing a chance
Iphonelagi wrote: > Why do we say RR has to spend more on marketing? > They have a marketing person and somebody looking after the website > Seems like they are doing the minimum at work and that's it. > Am I being harsh or just stating the obvious it doesn't cost any > extra money to do what Richmond did and search these sites out. > Nothing is free. Everything costs at least time, the most precious resource any of us have. Which features in queue would you like to see them set aside to hunt down thousands of random web sites to add their product name to lists? Which of those sites have an Alexa ranking higher than livecode.com? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Missing a chance
> On 31 Aug 2016, at 6:57 AM, Iphonelagi wrote: > > Why do we say RR has to spend more on marketing? > They have a marketing person and somebody looking after the website > Seems like they are doing the minimum at work and that's it. > Am I being harsh or just stating the obvious it doesn't cost any extra money > to do what Richmond did and search these sites out. > Just to put in my 2 cents as someone that has been around for a while and has now had experience as everything from a LiveCode noob through consultant, educator, third party vendor and now core team member. There’s been many times over the years when I’ve thought and even reached out to suggest a certain thing the company do and wonder why they aren’t doing it. Now I know that there’s no slackers on the team. Everyone is completely flat out delivering everything they can. Personally since joining the team I don’t think I’ve ever worked so many hours. It’s not that I’m expected to do an unreasonable amount of work (in fact I’m getting a few comments from the team about working on the weekend) it’s that I can see all these things I want to fix so I’m fitting in extra wherever I can in addition to things that are assigned to me. I know others on the team do that also. The good news is you can feel free to contribute whatever you feel needs to be done that we haven’t got the resources to do from code right through to getting lots of sites on the net to point to LiveCode. Even just sharing something on your facebook feed helps. Cheers Monte ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Missing a chance
Richard You totally missed my point. First off if the website is taking 24 hours of the developers time then there is a problem. I went on the main site and there was a link to the documentation yesterday - and guess what page not found - it happens all the time, I given up even bothering to look at the link and just re-google. But more important is the fact that we all have "day jobs" as in I'm self employed but I still scan the web for interesting stuff to do with livecode or fox or PDF or Pytghon or whatever. I would suggest that instead of looking at dancing cats - i'm being facetious here - just take a little time out to do what Richmond and others did. Yes Time is what we cannot get back but we actually all waste some time on frivolities - like trying to justify the unjustifiable. Here's a suggestion why don't RR hire one of these virtual assistants that cost maybe $400 or $500 a month (it's not peanuts when a house costs less than $15000 in the Philipines - so we are not using slave labour) and give him the task of spreading the word full time 50 of us paying $10 a month would do that and we save time arguing what should be done - Im sure these last 2 postings have cost both of us more than $10 in time. I totally agree with you on your main point that we can all get more money but we can never get back our time - $500 a month to get the word out, when RR is "in the best financial position in this decade", come on now something doesn't add up - I would suggest no thinking outside the box in marketing. Nothing need be put further back in the queue. Lagi On 30 August 2016 at 23:52, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Iphonelagi wrote: > > > Why do we say RR has to spend more on marketing? > > They have a marketing person and somebody looking after the website > > Seems like they are doing the minimum at work and that's it. > > Am I being harsh or just stating the obvious it doesn't cost any > > extra money to do what Richmond did and search these sites out. > > > > Nothing is free. Everything costs at least time, the most precious > resource any of us have. > > Which features in queue would you like to see them set aside to hunt down > thousands of random web sites to add their product name to lists? > > Which of those sites have an Alexa ranking higher than livecode.com? > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web > > ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Missing a chance
On 31.08.2016 12:46, Lagi Pittas wrote: Richard You totally missed my point. First off if the website is taking 24 hours of the developers time then there is a problem. I went on the main site and there was a link to the documentation yesterday - and guess what page not found - it happens all the time, I given up even bothering to look at the link and just re-google. But more important is the fact that we all have "day jobs" as in I'm self employed but I still scan the web for interesting stuff to do with livecode or fox or PDF or Pytghon or whatever. I would suggest that instead of looking at dancing cats - i'm being facetious here - just take a little time out to do what Richmond and others did. I'm off to have an icon painted of myself as I'm obviously approaching sainthood. Seriously . . . . Every week night my wife and her Mum (rising 92) watch a daft Turkish soap opera; because my Mum-in-law loves it, and because although my wife doesn't like it, her Mum doesn't want to watch it alone because she takes all of it literally and needs my wife to hold her hand whenever some gets shot, ends up in prison, in hospital or (like WINE) self-referentially in a Turkish soap opera (go figure). That's about an hour and 3 quarters . . . Not wish to cast aspersions on Turkish soap operas, however, as an intellectual snob I'd far rather do something else. So I am, from 8 to 10 local time, in front of the bloody Linux box (and it does get bloody at times), normally waiting for stroppy teenagers to send me essays so I can trash them and send them back for rewrites . . . And, while I'm waiting, I can do a bit of "what Richmond and others did" Nothing saintly in it at all . . . just something better than "that stupid card game". One of the things a lot of people seem to overlook is the time they waste "in the gaps" between all the other things they do . . . this is why the children I teach always seem surprised that I suggest they should all have a copy of the Longman Advanced Learner's Dictionary on a shelf next to the toilet! The whole problem is a problem of attitude . . . There are 3 gypsy women who are meant to clean our street, but, until recently were doing nothing of the sort . . . So I had a completely "taboo" idea (in Bulgaria Bulgarians are ravingly racist about gypsies) and went downstairs (we live on the top floor of our block) with 4 cups of coffee and 3 cigarettes (I don't smoke cigarettes), and sat and had coffee with these ladies for 15 minutes - this has developed into a very healthy (well, barring the cigerattes) weekly event: and, guess what, our street is now cleaned very well indeed. What does this cost me: next to nothing . . . mind you I've now got one of their kids coming to English classes at my school for nothing . . . Yes Time is what we cannot get back but we actually all waste some time on frivolities - like trying to justify the unjustifiable. "frivolitles"; what a magical sounding word, makes me thing of things like "Victoria's Secret" (for those of you who haven't heard of this place, it is where I *don't* buy my thongs: https://www.victoriassecret.com/), the "Body Shop", and so on. Indeed . . . we all waste so much time, for one reason or another. Here's a suggestion why don't RR hire one of these virtual assistants that cost maybe $400 or $500 a month (it's not peanuts when a house costs less than $15000 in the Philipines - so we are not using slave labour) and give him the task of spreading the word full time 50 of us paying $10 a month would do that and we save time arguing what should be done - Im sure these last 2 postings have cost both of us more than $10 in time. I totally agree with you on your main point that we can all get more money but we can never get back our time - $500 a month to get the word out, when RR is "in the best financial position in this decade", come on now something doesn't add up - I would suggest no thinking outside the box in marketing. Nothing need be put further back in the queue. Lagi On 30 August 2016 at 23:52, Richard Gaskin wrote: Iphonelagi wrote: Why do we say RR has to spend more on marketing? They have a marketing person and somebody looking after the website Seems like they are doing the minimum at work and that's it. Am I being harsh or just stating the obvious it doesn't cost any extra money to do what Richmond did and search these sites out. Nothing is free. Everything costs at least time, the most precious resource any of us have. Yup: that's a fact: so why do we waste so much of it? Which features in queue would you like to see them set aside to hunt down thousands of random web sites to add their product name to lists? Which of those sites have an Alexa ranking higher than livecode.com? -- Richard Gaskin Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe
Re: Missing a chance
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 5:12 AM, Richmond wrote: > her Mum doesn't want to watch it alone because she takes all of it > literally and needs my wife to hold her hand whenever some gets shot, ends > up in prison, Joey, have you ever . . . :) -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Missing a chance
Lagi Pittas wrote: > Richard > > You totally missed my point. It seems we missed each other's points. Mine was about ROI. > First off if the website is taking 24 hours of the developers time > then there is a problem. I went on the main site and there was a link > to the documentation yesterday - and guess what page not found... Requiring me to guess unfortunately leaves me at a disadvantage for helping you: while I have submitted bug reports for broken links as I come across them in the past, clicking the "API" link in the footer of the main page takes me to the API page as I would expect. While link-checking is important, it's also a very separate matter from this thread about asking the team to take time away from other things to add their programming tool to lists of tools in the rather different category of authoring tools (more on that below). Just the same, of course we want to see good links there so if you come across broken links in the future please submit a bug report for those. If the one you referred to here is still present, please consider offering guidance that would allow the team to fix it and I'll happily forward that for you. > But more important is the fact that we all have "day jobs" as in I'm > self employed but I still scan the web for interesting stuff to do > with livecode or fox or PDF or Pytghon or whatever. Many of us do. And when I come across a listing of tools where LiveCode might be relevant, I find it takes me less time to suggest it to the site owner than it does for me to write about it here as something for someone else to do. Moreover, nominations to any such list will carry more weight when they come from happy users, rather than from the vendor directly where they're often seen as just cheap attempts to get free advertising. All SERPs can be useful, but organic SERPs are the ones worth pursuing. > I would suggest that instead of looking at dancing cats - i'm being > facetious here - just take a little time out to do what Richmond and > others did. Rather than post to this list about something simple I want to see happen, I'll often just do it. Saves everyone time, including me. > Here's a suggestion why don't RR hire one of these virtual assistants > that cost maybe $400 or $500 a month (it's not peanuts when a house > costs less than $15000 in the Philipines - so we are not using slave > labour) and give him the task of spreading the word full time 50 of > us paying $10 a month would do that and we save time arguing what > should be done - Im sure these last 2 postings have cost both of us > more than $10 in time. The LiveCode forums are spammed daily by "mechanical turks" hired to do that sort of thing for other companies. To make sure such listings are relevant requires good knowledge of what LiveCode is, and what it isn't, and the ability to tailor descriptions well for the specific target venue. I tend to use LC for a wide range of UI-related graphics work, as well as for charts, user journey maps, and other basic illustration tasks. But if I were to submit it to every list of drawing tools I come across I'd only annoy the site owners and disappoint those who download LiveCode expecting something other than an excellent multi-platform GUI app dev kit. LC is closer to authoring tools than to drawing tools, but out-of-the-box it's not quite the same thing. That's a bigger discussion than I have time for this morning, but perhaps the best way to appreciate how authoring tools like Adobe Captivate distinguish themselves from development tools it may be helpful to look at some of those distinctive features, which often include: - Thumbnail views - Ways to link views - Media import and integration - Presentation templates - Assessment templates - LMS integration All of those things can be built in LiveCode, and even in Microsoft Visual Studio, Delphi, XCode, and a wide range of other development tools. But in a development tool you'll need to program them yourself, while an authoring tool is a software in which its programmers have already delivered those features in a GUI. Some authoring tools provide a scripting language, but even when they do the successful ones offer it as an option, with critical-path authoring tasks well supported in the provided GUI. A big part of the xTalk work I've been doing for clients over the decades has been crafting authoring add-ons for the development tool. In each case the client has an established presentation appearance and flow in mind, and we build combinations of templates and tools to make production of interactive media for those flows much easier. With this experience I know firsthand how excellent a fit xTalks are for supporting authoring needs. And LiveCode is arguably the most capable of all, certainly offers the broadest platform coverage. But many of the features that distinguish authoring tools are not included in the out-of-the-
