Re: Naive question 5978 + 1

[Richmond]

On 25/07/14 14:03, Peter W A Wood wrote:

Richmond

That's probably because it was a Field with the Table properties set.

I found that out by taking a look at Bernd's stack which was referred to 
earlier.

Regards

Peter


Well that is very much still a feature, and I'm not going to bother 
teaching my programming kids about

datagrids as:

1. As has been pointed out by various people who know better than me, 
they are horribly clunky and

need to be replaced.

Just learning the commands for fooling around with them is more trouble 
than it is worth for the

sake of messing around with a spreadsheet.

2. Importing a TAB and/or COMMA delimited text file exported from 
LibreOffice Calc or (heavens above)

Microsoft Excel into a field with the Table props set is "quite the thing".

Richmond.




On 25 Jul 2014, at 16:22, Richmond  wrote:


On 24/07/14 23:51, stephen barncard wrote:



years ago, there was a  "Datagrid" type control for REV (before the actual
Datagrid was possible through changes in the engine).





The datagrid we "all know and love" (possibly 'lurve' might be better here) was
introduced in version 3.5.0.

Just cracked open versions 2.0 and 3.0 and found nothing called a 'datagrid'.

I would be most grateful if you could point me to where this pre-datagrid 
datagrid
might be found.

Richmond.

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Re: Naive question 5978 + 1

[Richmond]

On 24/07/14 23:51, stephen barncard wrote:



years ago, there was a  "Datagrid" type control for REV (before the actual
Datagrid was possible through changes in the engine).





The datagrid we "all know and love" (possibly 'lurve' might be better 
here) was

introduced in version 3.5.0.

Just cracked open versions 2.0 and 3.0 and found nothing called a 
'datagrid'.


I would be most grateful if you could point me to where this 
pre-datagrid datagrid

might be found.

Richmond.

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Re: Naive question 5978 + 1

[Richmond]

On 24/07/14 23:51, stephen barncard wrote:

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Richmond 
wrote:


Thanks for quick and comprehensible answer!

It would be "quite a good thing" if that were explicitly explained
somewhere,

The Dictionary, perhaps?


years ago, there was a  "Datagrid" type control for REV (before the actual
Datagrid was possible through changes in the engine).

The late and brilliant Frenchman Eric Chatonet created something called
LISTMAGIC which, I think, utilized the little-understood table field for
his product.

*--*
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I wonder how many "years ago": I shall have a trawl through my versions 
. . .


I wonder if that cannot be buffed up, given a spray of paint, and 
brought into the present?


As you know (Mac G3, G4, G5, Pentium II, III, IV) that is very much my 
thing: so, I'll have a go.


I suppose a lot depends on whether it is just a free-standing object, or 
whether it depends on

the engine of the version of RR/LC it is available in.

Richmond.

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Re: Naive question 5978 + 1

[BNig]

Hi Jerry, Hi Pete,

thank you for the kind words.

The link Pete posted is the latest public beta.

I am currently reporting bugs against LC 7 regarding the handling of
columnar data. Since LC7 will support right aligned columnar data this will
help with the number 1 request for display of numbers in modTableField.

It is not as powerful as the datagrid. And by far not as elegant as
ListMagic. It is basically a table field that has been modified and has an
API for data management.

>From what I gather John Craig seems to be working on a similar thing.

Kind regards
Bernd



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Re: Naive question 5978 + 1

[Peter Haworth]

I did find a lik for mtf although I'm not certain it's the most recent
version:

http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/modTableField/modTableField_0_2_6pub.livecode.zip


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On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Peter Haworth  wrote:

>
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:51 PM, stephen barncard <
> stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com> wrote:
>
>> The late and brilliant Frenchman Eric Chatonet created something called
>> LISTMAGIC which, I think, utilized the little-understood table field for
>> his product.
>>
>
> Also check out Bernd's modTableField.  Datagrid-like functionality (for
> tables at least) with less of the complexity.  Don't have the URL in front
> of me, hopefully Bernd will chime in.
>
> Pete
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Re: Naive question 5978 + 1

[Peter Haworth]

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:51 PM, stephen barncard <
stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com> wrote:

> The late and brilliant Frenchman Eric Chatonet created something called
> LISTMAGIC which, I think, utilized the little-understood table field for
> his product.
>

Also check out Bernd's modTableField.  Datagrid-like functionality (for
tables at least) with less of the complexity.  Don't have the URL in front
of me, hopefully Bernd will chime in.

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Re: Naive question 5978 + 1

[Jerry Jensen]

On Jul 24, 2014, at 1:51 PM, stephen barncard  
wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Richmond 
> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for quick and comprehensible answer!
>> 
>> It would be "quite a good thing" if that were explicitly explained
>> somewhere,
>> 
>> The Dictionary, perhaps?
>> 
> 
> years ago, there was a  "Datagrid" type control for REV (before the actual
> Datagrid was possible through changes in the engine).
> 
> The late and brilliant Frenchman Eric Chatonet created something called
> LISTMAGIC which, I think, utilized the little-understood table field for
> his product.
> 
> *--*
> *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*

I have also had good results with Bernd Niggemann's modTableField.
.Jerry


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Re: Naive question 5978 + 1

[stephen barncard]

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Richmond 
wrote:

> Thanks for quick and comprehensible answer!
>
> It would be "quite a good thing" if that were explicitly explained
> somewhere,
>
> The Dictionary, perhaps?
>

years ago, there was a  "Datagrid" type control for REV (before the actual
Datagrid was possible through changes in the engine).

The late and brilliant Frenchman Eric Chatonet created something called
LISTMAGIC which, I think, utilized the little-understood table field for
his product.

*--*
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Re: Naive question 5978 + 1

[Richmond]

On 24/07/14 19:28, Klaus major-k wrote:

Hi Richmond,

Am 24.07.2014 um 17:48 schrieb Richmond :


Which could also be titled "Avoiding the Data Grid if at all possible."
So; Richmond, only about 12 years after discovering Livecode, tries a table 
field . . .
And wonders who one refers to the columns and/or cells.

a table field is basically a field with TAB and CR delimited text!


I want to copy the contents of line 2, column 3 into another field.

...
set itemdel to TAB
put item 3 of line 2 of fld "your table field here" into fld "anohter field"
...




Thanks for quick and comprehensible answer!

It would be "quite a good thing" if that were explicitly explained 
somewhere,


The Dictionary, perhaps?

Richmond.

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Re: Naive question 5978 + 1

[Klaus major-k]

Hi Richmond,

Am 24.07.2014 um 17:48 schrieb Richmond :

> Which could also be titled "Avoiding the Data Grid if at all possible."
> So; Richmond, only about 12 years after discovering Livecode, tries a table 
> field . . .
> And wonders who one refers to the columns and/or cells.

a table field is basically a field with TAB and CR delimited text!

> I want to copy the contents of line 2, column 3 into another field.
...
set itemdel to TAB
put item 3 of line 2 of fld "your table field here" into fld "anohter field"
...

> Would be glad if somebody could tell me how.
> 
> Richmond.

Best

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Re: Naive question 5978 + 1

[Richmond]

Which could also be titled "Avoiding the Data Grid if at all possible."

So; Richmond, only about 12 years after discovering Livecode, tries a 
table field . . .


And wonders who one refers to the columns and/or cells.

I want to copy the contents of line 2, column 3 into another field.

Would be glad if somebody could tell me how.

Richmond.

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Re: Naive question 5978

[Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel]

Not a problem well deserved and your customer support is phenomenal!

Also, just so others know, your Excel Library is PRICELESS.  If anybody out
there needs to implement any type of Excel spreadsheet in their project,
they need to consider your library.

SKIP


On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 3:20 PM, zryip theSlug 
wrote:

> Hi Richmond,
>
> I've updated my website with a stack demonstrating how to drag&drop
> rows from a datagrid to another. This is an updated version of an
> example I've already shared in the past.
>
> The stack is demonstrating:
> - dragging from dg 1 to dg 2 with deleting the row in dg 1
> - dragging from dg 1 to dg 2 by duplicating the row in dg 2 without
> removing it in dg 1
> - column and data binding: the column order in dg 1 is not the same
> than in dg 2. You can play with the column order in the inspector.
> - reordering rows in dg 2
>
>
> http://www.aslugontheroad.com/download/category/4-lab?download=25:drag-drop-lines-in-datagrid
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Richmond 
> wrote:
> > I have a bog-basic data extraction stack that extracts lines from a list
> > field and puts them into another list field.
> >
> > I want to make an equivalent stack using 2 dataGrids . . .
> >
> > Now when I put something like this:
> >
> > if line XXX of dataGrid "BING" contains "Socks" then
> >put line XXX of dataGrid "BING" into line ZZZ of dataGrid "Pants"
> > end if
> >
> > I get a really bad attack of the Red Blobs.
> >
> > I stuck my neck right under the guillotine and tried this:
> >
> > if column 2 of line XXX of dataGrid "BING" contains "Socks" then
> >put line XXX of dataGrid "BING" into line ZZZ of dataGrid "Pants"
> > end if
> >
> > Head dropped straight into the basket!
> >
> > As this is my first (Yup: FIRST) foray into DataGrids I would be grateful
> > for a few pointers.
> >
> > The Dictionary (6.6.2) tells me nothing when I look for 'dataGrid" and
> > nothing when I look for
> > 'Column' that seems to refer to dataGrids.
> >
> > Richmond.
> >
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Re: Naive question 5978

[zryip theSlug]

Skip,

Thanks for sharing the links and the kind words about DGH. Much appreciated.


Best Regards,


On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel
 wrote:
> Alain,
>
> If you do ANY work with the datagrid, especially complicated formatting,
> this is a must-have tool.
>
> Here are some links:
> http://www.aslugontheroad.com/ourproducts/2-what-is-dgh
> https://livecode.com/store/marketplace/data-grid-helper-1-2-0/
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Alain Farmer 
> wrote:
>
>> To Skip Kimpel,
>> About: "if you intend on digging deep into datagrid, make sure you get the
>> Datagrid Helper".
>> Question: what is "Datagrid Helper" ? what is its URL ?
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:11:08 AM, Klaus major-k 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Skip,
>>
>> Am 23.07.2014 um 12:55 schrieb Skip Kimpel :
>>
>> > Datagrid is a complicated and awesome beast.
>>
>> very, very true!
>>
>> > It is very powerful BUT the documentation for it is all over the place.
>> I have yet to find a single concise reference area.
>>
>> Get the complete docs as PDF here:
>> 
>>
>> > SKIP
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Klaus
>>
>> --
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>> http://www.major-k.de
>> kl...@major-k.de
>>
>>
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Re: Naive question 5978

[zryip theSlug]

Hi Richmond,

I've updated my website with a stack demonstrating how to drag&drop
rows from a datagrid to another. This is an updated version of an
example I've already shared in the past.

The stack is demonstrating:
- dragging from dg 1 to dg 2 with deleting the row in dg 1
- dragging from dg 1 to dg 2 by duplicating the row in dg 2 without
removing it in dg 1
- column and data binding: the column order in dg 1 is not the same
than in dg 2. You can play with the column order in the inspector.
- reordering rows in dg 2

http://www.aslugontheroad.com/download/category/4-lab?download=25:drag-drop-lines-in-datagrid


Best Regards,

On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Richmond  wrote:
> I have a bog-basic data extraction stack that extracts lines from a list
> field and puts them into another list field.
>
> I want to make an equivalent stack using 2 dataGrids . . .
>
> Now when I put something like this:
>
> if line XXX of dataGrid "BING" contains "Socks" then
>put line XXX of dataGrid "BING" into line ZZZ of dataGrid "Pants"
> end if
>
> I get a really bad attack of the Red Blobs.
>
> I stuck my neck right under the guillotine and tried this:
>
> if column 2 of line XXX of dataGrid "BING" contains "Socks" then
>put line XXX of dataGrid "BING" into line ZZZ of dataGrid "Pants"
> end if
>
> Head dropped straight into the basket!
>
> As this is my first (Yup: FIRST) foray into DataGrids I would be grateful
> for a few pointers.
>
> The Dictionary (6.6.2) tells me nothing when I look for 'dataGrid" and
> nothing when I look for
> 'Column' that seems to refer to dataGrids.
>
> Richmond.
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Re: Naive question 5978

[Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel]

Thanks Klaus!


On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel <
s...@magicgate.com> wrote:

> Alain,
>
> If you do ANY work with the datagrid, especially complicated formatting,
> this is a must-have tool.
>
> Here are some links:
> http://www.aslugontheroad.com/ourproducts/2-what-is-dgh
> https://livecode.com/store/marketplace/data-grid-helper-1-2-0/
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Alain Farmer 
> wrote:
>
>> To Skip Kimpel,
>> About: "if you intend on digging deep into datagrid, make sure you get
>> the Datagrid Helper".
>> Question: what is "Datagrid Helper" ? what is its URL ?
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:11:08 AM, Klaus major-k 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Skip,
>>
>> Am 23.07.2014 um 12:55 schrieb Skip Kimpel :
>>
>> > Datagrid is a complicated and awesome beast.
>>
>> very, very true!
>>
>> > It is very powerful BUT the documentation for it is all over the
>> place.  I have yet to find a single concise reference area.
>>
>> Get the complete docs as PDF here:
>> 
>>
>> > SKIP
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Klaus
>>
>> --
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>> http://www.major-k.de
>> kl...@major-k.de
>>
>>
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Re: Naive question 5978

[Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel]

Alain,

If you do ANY work with the datagrid, especially complicated formatting,
this is a must-have tool.

Here are some links:
http://www.aslugontheroad.com/ourproducts/2-what-is-dgh
https://livecode.com/store/marketplace/data-grid-helper-1-2-0/



On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Alain Farmer 
wrote:

> To Skip Kimpel,
> About: "if you intend on digging deep into datagrid, make sure you get the
> Datagrid Helper".
> Question: what is "Datagrid Helper" ? what is its URL ?
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:11:08 AM, Klaus major-k 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Skip,
>
> Am 23.07.2014 um 12:55 schrieb Skip Kimpel :
>
> > Datagrid is a complicated and awesome beast.
>
> very, very true!
>
> > It is very powerful BUT the documentation for it is all over the place.
> I have yet to find a single concise reference area.
>
> Get the complete docs as PDF here:
> 
>
> > SKIP
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
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> http://www.major-k.de
> kl...@major-k.de
>
>
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Re: Naive question 5978

[Alain Farmer]

To Skip Kimpel,
About: "if you intend on digging deep into datagrid, make sure you get the 
Datagrid Helper".
Question: what is "Datagrid Helper" ? what is its URL ?
Thanks,



On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:11:08 AM, Klaus major-k  wrote:
 


Hi Skip,

Am 23.07.2014 um 12:55 schrieb Skip Kimpel :

> Datagrid is a complicated and awesome beast.  

very, very true!

> It is very powerful BUT the documentation for it is all over the place.  I 
> have yet to find a single concise reference area.

Get the complete docs as PDF here:


> SKIP

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Re: Naive question 5978

[Klaus major-k]

Hi Skip,

Am 23.07.2014 um 12:55 schrieb Skip Kimpel :

> Datagrid is a complicated and awesome beast.  

very, very true!

> It is very powerful BUT the documentation for it is all over the place.  I 
> have yet to find a single concise reference area.

Get the complete docs as PDF here:


> SKIP

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Re: Naive question 5978

[Skip Kimpel]

Datagrid is a complicated and awesome beast.  It is very powerful BUT the 
documentation for it is all over the place.  I have yet to find a single 
concise reference area.

And if you intend on digging deep into datagrid, make sure you get the Datagrid 
Helper!  That will save you HOURS of frustration.

SKIP

> On Jul 23, 2014, at 3:42 AM, Richmond  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 07/23/2014 10:16 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>> Also, "dataGrid" is not a LiveCode object.  You need to reference the data
>> grid using "group" or "control".
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
> 
> Thanks: I'm getting there, slowly!
> 
> Richmond.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/23/14 12:03 AM, "Richmond"  wrote:
>>> 
 On 23/07/14 09:54, Richmond wrote:
 I have a bog-basic data extraction stack that extracts lines from a list
 field and puts them into another list field.
 
 I want to make an equivalent stack using 2 dataGrids . . .
 
 Now when I put something like this:
 
 if line XXX of dataGrid "BING" contains "Socks" then
put line XXX of dataGrid "BING" into line ZZZ of dataGrid "Pants"
 end if
 
 I get a really bad attack of the Red Blobs.
 
 I stuck my neck right under the guillotine and tried this:
 
 if column 2 of line XXX of dataGrid "BING" contains "Socks" then
put line XXX of dataGrid "BING" into line ZZZ of dataGrid "Pants"
 end if
 
 Head dropped straight into the basket!
 
 As this is my first (Yup: FIRST) foray into DataGrids I would be
 grateful for a few pointers.
 
 The Dictionary (6.6.2) tells me nothing when I look for 'dataGrid" and
 nothing when I look for
 'Column' that seems to refer to dataGrids.
 
 Richmond.
>>> Answering my own question again:
>>> 
>>> http://lessons.runrev.com/m/datagrid/l/7315-how-do-i-update-data-in-a-row
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Re: Naive question 5978

[Richmond]

On 07/23/2014 10:16 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:

Also, "dataGrid" is not a LiveCode object.  You need to reference the data
grid using "group" or "control".

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design



Thanks: I'm getting there, slowly!

Richmond.



On 7/23/14 12:03 AM, "Richmond"  wrote:


On 23/07/14 09:54, Richmond wrote:

I have a bog-basic data extraction stack that extracts lines from a list
field and puts them into another list field.

I want to make an equivalent stack using 2 dataGrids . . .

Now when I put something like this:

if line XXX of dataGrid "BING" contains "Socks" then
put line XXX of dataGrid "BING" into line ZZZ of dataGrid "Pants"
end if

I get a really bad attack of the Red Blobs.

I stuck my neck right under the guillotine and tried this:

if column 2 of line XXX of dataGrid "BING" contains "Socks" then
put line XXX of dataGrid "BING" into line ZZZ of dataGrid "Pants"
end if

Head dropped straight into the basket!

As this is my first (Yup: FIRST) foray into DataGrids I would be
grateful for a few pointers.

The Dictionary (6.6.2) tells me nothing when I look for 'dataGrid" and
nothing when I look for
'Column' that seems to refer to dataGrids.

Richmond.

Answering my own question again:

http://lessons.runrev.com/m/datagrid/l/7315-how-do-i-update-data-in-a-row

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Re: Naive question 5978

[Scott Rossi]

Also, "dataGrid" is not a LiveCode object.  You need to reference the data
grid using "group" or "control".

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 7/23/14 12:03 AM, "Richmond"  wrote:

>On 23/07/14 09:54, Richmond wrote:
>> I have a bog-basic data extraction stack that extracts lines from a list
>> field and puts them into another list field.
>>
>> I want to make an equivalent stack using 2 dataGrids . . .
>>
>> Now when I put something like this:
>>
>> if line XXX of dataGrid "BING" contains "Socks" then
>>put line XXX of dataGrid "BING" into line ZZZ of dataGrid "Pants"
>> end if
>>
>> I get a really bad attack of the Red Blobs.
>>
>> I stuck my neck right under the guillotine and tried this:
>>
>> if column 2 of line XXX of dataGrid "BING" contains "Socks" then
>>put line XXX of dataGrid "BING" into line ZZZ of dataGrid "Pants"
>> end if
>>
>> Head dropped straight into the basket!
>>
>> As this is my first (Yup: FIRST) foray into DataGrids I would be
>> grateful for a few pointers.
>>
>> The Dictionary (6.6.2) tells me nothing when I look for 'dataGrid" and
>> nothing when I look for
>> 'Column' that seems to refer to dataGrids.
>>
>> Richmond.
>
>Answering my own question again:
>
>http://lessons.runrev.com/m/datagrid/l/7315-how-do-i-update-data-in-a-row
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Re: Naive question 5978

[Richmond]

On 23/07/14 09:54, Richmond wrote:

I have a bog-basic data extraction stack that extracts lines from a list
field and puts them into another list field.

I want to make an equivalent stack using 2 dataGrids . . .

Now when I put something like this:

if line XXX of dataGrid "BING" contains "Socks" then
   put line XXX of dataGrid "BING" into line ZZZ of dataGrid "Pants"
end if

I get a really bad attack of the Red Blobs.

I stuck my neck right under the guillotine and tried this:

if column 2 of line XXX of dataGrid "BING" contains "Socks" then
   put line XXX of dataGrid "BING" into line ZZZ of dataGrid "Pants"
end if

Head dropped straight into the basket!

As this is my first (Yup: FIRST) foray into DataGrids I would be 
grateful for a few pointers.


The Dictionary (6.6.2) tells me nothing when I look for 'dataGrid" and 
nothing when I look for

'Column' that seems to refer to dataGrids.

Richmond.


Answering my own question again:

http://lessons.runrev.com/m/datagrid/l/7315-how-do-i-update-data-in-a-row

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