Re: Revmail problems on Windows 8
David V Glasgow wrote: The good news is that using the launch url workaround recommended by Richard (below) worked fine. So anyone encountering the same issue can take this route. Thanks Richard. Why Revmail should fail in the way I have described is beyond me. Maybe brighter coders can take it from here. This is just a hunch, written in complete ignorance since I haven't read that part of the IDE's library, but ignorance hasn't stopped me from posting here before so here's my hunch: IIRC you'd experienced this on Windows only, yes? I believe revMail predates the engine's implementation of launch url. If so, and if revMail hasn't been updated to use launch url, it may be that it's using the older method of attempting shell calls for stuff launch url now does with more robust lower-level API calls. Windows shell options have undergone many changes since Vista forward, but Microsoft has a good reputation for maintaining backward compatibility for their lower-level APIs. If you have time to submit a bug report for this that would be very helpful, so they can update whatever's going on in that library to make sure it uses the engine's launch url call as smartly as you can do yourself. Once again, the old adage applies: Know the engine Trust the engine Use the engine Rather than seeing this as a workaround, I see it as using a newer feature that operates just a little closer to the OS. Any time we can reduce the distance between our scripts and the underlying OS we generally benefit. launch url not only makes a great replacement for revMail, but will handle any protocol that the system is set up to handle, including other common ones like ftp and http but also custom URL schemes as well. On 21 Jun 2015, at 3:15 pm, Richard Gaskin wrote: One simple workaround is to just use mailto:; directly with launch url:, e.g.: put someaddy at somedomain.com mailto:someaddy at somedomain.com into tAddress put Some Subject Line into tSubject put This is the body of the email into tBody put mailto:; tAddress ?subject= tSubject body= tBody \ into tURL launch url tURL -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Revmail problems on Windows 8
I originally sent this a couple of days ago, but it has never appeared on the list. Apologies if it ends up a double post…. Based on the advice received when I posted this issue, I checked the result immediately after the revmail line was executed. Interestingly, the result-put line was not executed where revmail failed. Where it succeeded, in dev and on mac it was executed and the result was empty. So it seems clear there is a problem, but sadly I have no specific error to report because when it arises, the script terminates. The good news is that using the launch url workaround recommended by Richard (below) worked fine. So anyone encountering the same issue can take this route. Thanks Richard. Why Revmail should fail in the way I have described is beyond me. Maybe brighter coders can take it from here. On 21 Jun 2015, at 3:15 pm, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com mailto:ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: One simple workaround is to just use mailto:; directly with launch url:, e.g.: put somea...@somedomain.com mailto:somea...@somedomain.com into tAddress put Some Subject Line into tSubject put This is the body of the email into tBody put mailto:; tAddress ?subject= tSubject body= tBody \ into tURL launch url tURL Best Wishes, David Glasgow http://www.i-psych.co.uk/i-psych.co.uk http://www.i-psych.co.uk/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Revmail problems on Windows 8
To which I might add, Don’t put bad gas in the engine Don’t over rev the engine Don’t try to pull the engine apart, then put it back together “more better” I’ll leave it up to everyone’s imaginations to determine what the coding correlations for these are. It’s only my intent to seem wise. Bob S On Jul 1, 2015, at 07:31 , Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.commailto:ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Once again, the old adage applies: Know the engine Trust the engine Use the engine ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Revmail problems on Windows 8
Bless the engine, my son. -- Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Bob Sneidar bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com wrote: To which I might add, Don’t put bad gas in the engine Don’t over rev the engine Don’t try to pull the engine apart, then put it back together “more better” I’ll leave it up to everyone’s imaginations to determine what the coding correlations for these are. It’s only my intent to seem wise. Bob S On Jul 1, 2015, at 07:31 , Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com mailto:ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Once again, the old adage applies: Know the engine Trust the engine Use the engine ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Revmail problems on Windows 8
David, A lot has to do with what email client is installed on that machine and if it is open and running. For consistent results, I usually call a VB script to create the email and then send it to the users Outlook client. I didn't write it but I would be more than happy to share it if you are interested. SKIP On Jun 21, 2015, at 9:25 AM, David V Glasgow dvglas...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Folks, I am just doing the final tweaks on an app designed for an NHS Trust to support clinical decision making . It is exclusively a Win environment. So far, apart from the usual font faff, the deployment platform hasn’t given me any real headaches. However, a week before roll out I have learned that a button designed as a last resort call for help doesn’t work. I had carefully tested all the complex stuff, but hadn’t bothered with this because it was a single line of script: revMail “Cluster.Buster@*.nhs.uk,,Cluster Buster - help I'm stuck It works fine in the dev environment, and on Mac standalones. On Windows 8 it does nothing. Just in case it was an inclusions thing, I switched to automatic inclusions, but this made no difference. Is there any possibility it is a security setting on the network? I can talk to the NHS Trust IT folks next week, but I am a bear of little brain when it comes to Win networks, and I could do with a few sensible pointers if this is a possibility. I noticed that just about 2 years ago Mark Stuart reported that Revmail didn’t then work on Windows 8. That couldn’t still be an issue, could it? Finally, are there any pointers to a simple alternative approach to Revmail? (bearing in mind I have no control and very little access to any aspects of the platform or network) Cheers, David Glasgow ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Revmail problems on Windows 8
David V Glasgow wrote: I had carefully tested all the complex stuff, but hadn’t bothered with this because it was a single line of script: revMail “Cluster.Buster@*.nhs.uk,,Cluster Buster - help I'm stuck It works fine in the dev environment, and on Mac standalones. On Windows 8 it does nothing. Just in case it was an inclusions thing, I switched to automatic inclusions, but this made no difference. Is there any possibility it is a security setting on the network? I can talk to the NHS Trust IT folks next week, but I am a bear of little brain when it comes to Win networks, and I could do with a few sensible pointers if this is a possibility. I noticed that just about 2 years ago Mark Stuart reported that Revmail didn’t then work on Windows 8. That couldn’t still be an issue, could it? Finally, are there any pointers to a simple alternative approach to Revmail? (bearing in mind I have no control and very little access to any aspects of the platform or network) revMail is just a wrapper for the mailto:; protocol designation. All it does is open a mail with the various specified fields already filled in (subject, to, body, etc.). As such, no networking is involved, since it's up to the email client to actually send the message. Well designed modern OSes ship with default apps assigned to handle http:, mailto:;, and often ftp: along with others. On Windows this is done through registry setting. I don't have Win 8.0 but I just tested mailto:; on Win 8.1 and it does indeed open the default email client. Perhaps revMail is working harder than it needs to, maybe predating launch url and attempting to do extra work that launch url can handle well for it today. If so it may be a bug, but I haven't looked into the revMail code to see what it's up to. One simple workaround is to just use mailto:; directly with launch url:, e.g.: put somea...@somedomain.com into tAddress put Some Subject Line into tSubject put This is the body of the email into tBody put mailto:; tAddress ?subject= tSubject body= tBody \ into tURL launch url tURL If that doesn't work it may be that the machine you're testing on has had its default email application assignment mucked up, either by one of the many known brittle aspects of the Windows registry or perhaps intentionally by admins who set up the system (though given how popular mailto:; is on Web pages that wouldn't have been a smart thing for an admin to do). What is the value of the result immediately after attempting revMail? This article may be helpful: http://blogs.technet.com/b/mrmlcgn/archive/2013/02/26/windows-8-associate-a-file-type-or-protocol-with-a-specific-app-using-a-gpo-e-g-default-mail-client-for-mailto-protocol.aspx -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
