Re: sudo apt-get install livecode

[Andre Garzia via use-livecode]

The problem with the installers is that the LC binaries are linked with
specific versions of the shared libraries in the system. If you have a
different version, or the library has a different name in that system, then
there is a chance that LC will not run correctly (and by not run I mean not
run at all). For example, here in our server, LC is linked against:

$ ldd livecode-community-server
linux-vdso.so.1 (0x7ffcee51b000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0x7f617d849000)
libpthread.so.0 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0
(0x7f617d62a000)
libfreetype.so.6 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libfreetype.so.6
(0x7f617d376000)
libfontconfig.so.1 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libfontconfig.so.1
(0x7f617d131000)
librt.so.1 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/librt.so.1 (0x7f617cf29000)
libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6
(0x7f617cba)
libm.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 (0x7f617c802000)
libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x7f617c5ea000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0x7f617c1f9000)
/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x7f617da4d000)
libpng16.so.16 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng16.so.16
(0x7f617bfc7000)
libz.so.1 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libz.so.1 (0x7f617bdaa000)
libexpat.so.1 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libexpat.so.1 (0x7f617bb78000)

Of course the engine for the IDE and desktop apps (alongside the externals)
links with more libraries than what is shown here. What having real .deb
and .rpm would allow on Linux is to get the correct library versions
installed at the same time as the LC installation is running because the
package manager would know which dependencies were needed for LC to work.
Right now, if something fails on Linux, you need to be savvy enough to
check libraries and then install the correct ones. Another solution for
that would be to generate AppImages which are quite similar to Application
Bundles from macOS in the sense that they are a package of files disguised
as a single file and contains everything an app needs to run. In the case
of Linux appimages they'll even contain the shared libraries inside them
which makes them quite large but easier to run.

On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 at 20:07, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> That is a good point.
> The same could be said for the Apple store, the Windows store and the
> Ubuntu thing.
>
> On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 9:54 pm Mark Wieder via use-livecode, <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > On 9/14/20 10:47 AM, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:
> >
> > > Also: why is the installer app "silly"? It is no worse or no better
> > > than  the installer apps for Macintosh and Windows,
> > > and I, for one, have no real problem with any of them.
> >
> > Having "real" installers (.deb, .rpm) would enable LiveCode to get into
> > the various repositories and thus get more exposure.
> >
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Re: sudo apt-get install livecode

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

That is a good point.
The same could be said for the Apple store, the Windows store and the
Ubuntu thing.

On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 9:54 pm Mark Wieder via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 9/14/20 10:47 AM, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:
>
> > Also: why is the installer app "silly"? It is no worse or no better
> > than  the installer apps for Macintosh and Windows,
> > and I, for one, have no real problem with any of them.
>
> Having "real" installers (.deb, .rpm) would enable LiveCode to get into
> the various repositories and thus get more exposure.
>
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>   ahsoftw...@gmail.com
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Re: sudo apt-get install livecode

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 9/14/20 10:47 AM, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:

Also: why is the installer app "silly"? It is no worse or no better 
than  the installer apps for Macintosh and Windows,

and I, for one, have no real problem with any of them.


Having "real" installers (.deb, .rpm) would enable LiveCode to get into 
the various repositories and thus get more exposure.


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Re: sudo apt-get install livecode

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Because, in spite of what LiveCode will tell you, the Linux side of 
things is marginal and minimal, and
while a .deb might be alright for Debian and its derivatives, it is not 
going to be alright for other types

of Linux: "too much work for too little return": I can see it coming.

Also: why is the installer app "silly"? It is no worse or no better 
than  the installer apps for Macintosh and Windows,

and I, for one, have no real problem with any of them.

On 14.09.20 18:46, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

On 9/13/20 7:39 PM, Eric A. Engle via use-livecode wrote:
  I just get tired of downloading the silly installer app etc. why 
isn't it in a repo?


any way i will google it but if there is a terminal command line 
interface set of commands which will gksudo aptitude livecode OR 
SIMILAR please tell me On Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 12:01:04 
PM EDT,  wrote:


It's been a topic of discussion for years, i.e.,

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=29266

as to the "why not" of this, I don't have an answer. Building a .deb 
package isn't a huge task and would make uninstalling *much* easier 
than the current kludge.


(as an aside, note that gksudo has been deprecated for some time now 
in favor of pkexec, and is no longer included in most modern distros. 
But no doubt you meant "sudo" anyway.)





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Re: sudo apt-get install livecode

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 9/13/20 7:39 PM, Eric A. Engle via use-livecode wrote:

  I just get tired of downloading the silly installer app etc. why isn't it in 
a repo?

any way i will google it but if there is a terminal command line interface set of 
commands which will gksudo aptitude livecode OR SIMILAR please tell me On 
Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 12:01:04 PM EDT, 
 wrote:


It's been a topic of discussion for years, i.e.,

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=29266

as to the "why not" of this, I don't have an answer. Building a .deb 
package isn't a huge task and would make uninstalling *much* easier than 
the current kludge.


(as an aside, note that gksudo has been deprecated for some time now in 
favor of pkexec, and is no longer included in most modern distros. But 
no doubt you meant "sudo" anyway.)


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Re: sudo apt-get install livecode

[Paul Dupuis via use-livecode]

On 9/13/2020 10:39 PM, Eric A. Engle via use-livecode wrote:

  I just get tired of downloading the silly installer app etc. why isn't it in 
a repo?

any way i will google it but if there is a terminal command line interface set 
of commands which will gksudo aptitude livecode OR SIMILAR please tell me


It probably isn't in a 'repo' because I, like probably a number of other 
people on this list who use LiveCode a lot, have no idea what 'gksudo 
aptitude livecode' is other than probably some Linux commands.


I'd much rather download and run the installer than need to learn some 
more esoteric commands to install the software.


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