Re: Documentation [was: Re: v8 DP3]

[Mark Wieder]

Charles Warwick  writes:

> However, you can also install a plugin called “Git Plus” that allows you to 
use keyboard shortcuts to
> add/commit/push etc…

Thanks - wasn't aware of that one.

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Re: Documentation [was: Re: v8 DP3]

[Charles Warwick]

> On 31 Aug 2015, at 3:45 pm, Mark Wieder  wrote:
> 
> On 08/28/2015 02:32 AM, Richmond wrote:
>> Or, put another way; will Atom work as a Git GUI?
>> 
>> I am downloading a selection of Linux Git GUIs which all look far more
>> primitive than Atom . . .
> 
> Not sure what you mean by 'Git GUI'...
> 
> If you want to use  as a text editor for gui, then by all 
> means do so. If you also want to use that for git commit messages, etc, then
> 
> git config --global core.editor YourEditorHere
> 
> will make that the default editor.
> 
> If you want a gui to work with git... um... I'm not sure what to suggest. If 
> you want something like gitk then you should probably use gitk (or gitx on 
> osx, or tig). Atom's a text editor. Or at least that's all I've ever used it 
> for. Maybe there's more there.
> 

Atom comes with a default plugin that recognises local git repositories.  So if 
you open the root folder of the git repository as a project folder, it will 
highlight which files have been modified since the last commit along with 
giving you a few other details like the branch you are on and whether you are 
behind on any commits.

However, you can also install a plugin called “Git Plus” that allows you to use 
keyboard shortcuts to add/commit/push etc…

I have only tried that plugin once or twice as I prefer to use SourceTree under 
os x to deal with git.  I do find the standard features of Atom like which 
files have been modified since your last commit handy though.

Cheers,

Charles


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Re: Documentation [was: Re: v8 DP3]

[Mark Wieder]

On 08/28/2015 02:32 AM, Richmond wrote:

Or, put another way; will Atom work as a Git GUI?

I am downloading a selection of Linux Git GUIs which all look far more
primitive than Atom . . .


Not sure what you mean by 'Git GUI'...

If you want to use YourEditorHere as a text editor for gui, then by 
all means do so. If you also want to use that for git commit messages, 
etc, then


git config --global core.editor YourEditorHere

will make that the default editor.

If you want a gui to work with git... um... I'm not sure what to 
suggest. If you want something like gitk then you should probably use 
gitk (or gitx on osx, or tig). Atom's a text editor. Or at least that's 
all I've ever used it for. Maybe there's more there.


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Re: Documentation [was: Re: v8 DP3]

[Peter TB Brett]

On 2015-08-28 10:28, Richmond wrote:


https://help.github.com/articles/which-remote-url-should-i-use/#cloning-with-https-recommended

When you view a repository while signed in to your account

First of all, where do I find the GIT interface on my computer so that
I can log into it, or,

for the sake of argument, how can I log into the GitHub using Atom
(which I installed just before breakfast),
clone stuff and get to work?


Technically, you don't actually need to install anything on your 
computer to make changes to the documentation.  You can actually do it 
all through the GitHub website!  Ali posted some instructions here: 
http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15347#c5


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Re: Documentation [was: Re: v8 DP3]

[Richmond]

On 08/29/2015 10:04 AM, Peter TB Brett wrote:

On 2015-08-28 10:28, Richmond wrote:


https://help.github.com/articles/which-remote-url-should-i-use/#cloning-with-https-recommended 



When you view a repository while signed in to your account

First of all, where do I find the GIT interface on my computer so that
I can log into it, or,

for the sake of argument, how can I log into the GitHub using Atom
(which I installed just before breakfast),
clone stuff and get to work?


Technically, you don't actually need to install anything on your 
computer to make changes to the documentation.  You can actually do it 
all through the GitHub website!  Ali posted some instructions here: 
http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15347#c5


 Peter



That does look a whole lot simpler.

Thank you very much.


Richmond.

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Re: Documentation [was: Re: v8 DP3]

[Richmond]

On 08/28/2015 09:27 AM, Peter TB Brett wrote:

On 2015-08-28 08:20, Richmond wrote:

On 08/27/2015 11:39 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 8/27/2015 2:33 PM, Peter TB Brett wrote:

Since it's so desperately in need of improvement, and you have such a
good idea of how it can be made better, perhaps you could help out?


I love UK understatement. As one of those rude Americans I would 
have said, Okay Richmond, put your money where your mouth is, or 
maybe, put up or shut up.


We're such an...assertive...culture.



Indeed you are! But I'm also an assertive sort of chap, so I will say:

Yes! I will edit those bits that I feel are lacking, and work on the
assumption that others will be
doing the same!


Awesome.  Community contributions to the open source package are 
always really welcome.


I'll do what I can to work with you and ensure that documentation 
changes get incorporated quickly and efficiently.


   Peter



Well: as an almost complete moron in certain respects, I would be 
grateful if you could outline a way to edit
the documents at 
https://github.com/runrev/livecode-ide/tree/develop/Documentation/guides 
and submit them after

the editing . . . does this involve setting up my own github branch

Richmond.

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Re: Documentation [was: Re: v8 DP3]

[Peter TB Brett]

On 2015-08-28 08:20, Richmond wrote:

On 08/27/2015 11:39 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 8/27/2015 2:33 PM, Peter TB Brett wrote:

Since it's so desperately in need of improvement, and you have such a
good idea of how it can be made better, perhaps you could help out?


I love UK understatement. As one of those rude Americans I would have 
said, Okay Richmond, put your money where your mouth is, or maybe, 
put up or shut up.


We're such an...assertive...culture.



Indeed you are! But I'm also an assertive sort of chap, so I will say:

Yes! I will edit those bits that I feel are lacking, and work on the
assumption that others will be
doing the same!


Awesome.  Community contributions to the open source package are always 
really welcome.


I'll do what I can to work with you and ensure that documentation 
changes get incorporated quickly and efficiently.


   Peter

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Re: Documentation [was: Re: v8 DP3]

[Peter W A Wood]

 On 28 Aug 2015, at 15:15, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well: as an almost complete newcomer to Github, I would be grateful if you 
 could outline a way to edit
 the documents at 
 https://github.com/runrev/livecode-ide/tree/develop/Documentation/guides 
 https://github.com/runrev/livecode-ide/tree/develop/Documentation/guides 
 and submit them after
 the editing . . . does this involve setting up my own github branch

Yes. You will need a Github account and then fork the Github repository. You 
can then edit the documents on-line. Once you have finished editing the 
documents, you will need to create a Pull Request. The LiveCode team will then 
decide whether to accept or decline your changes.

One thing that is needed for your changes to be accepted is to for you to enter 
into a contributor’s agreement http://livecode.com/account/developer/contribute 
http://livecode.com/account/developer/contribute

You can make better use of Git by downloading the repository onto your own 
machine. I was able to do that quite easily by following this 
https://help.github.com/categories/bootcamp/ 
https://help.github.com/categories/bootcamp/

I have no doubt that you will breeze though the process.

Peter

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Re: Documentation [was: Re: v8 DP3]

[Richmond]

On 08/27/2015 11:39 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 8/27/2015 2:33 PM, Peter TB Brett wrote:

Since it's so desperately in need of improvement, and you have such a
good idea of how it can be made better, perhaps you could help out?


I love UK understatement. As one of those rude Americans I would have 
said, Okay Richmond, put your money where your mouth is, or maybe, 
put up or shut up.


We're such an...assertive...culture.



Indeed you are! But I'm also an assertive sort of chap, so I will say:

Yes! I will edit those bits that I feel are lacking, and work on the 
assumption that others will be

doing the same!

Richmond.

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Re: Documentation [was: Re: v8 DP3]

[Richmond]

On 08/28/2015 12:28 PM, Richmond wrote:

On 08/28/2015 12:21 PM, Peter TB Brett wrote:



On 28/08/2015 10:11, Richmond wrote:

On 08/28/2015 10:28 AM, Peter W A Wood wrote:


You can make better use of Git by downloading the repository onto your
own machine. I was able to do that quite easily by following this
https://help.github.com/categories/bootcamp/
https://help.github.com/categories/bootcamp/

I have no doubt that you will breeze though the process.


I very much doubt it: I downloaded GIT,

told GIT my name ('richmond'),

told GIT my email ('richmondmathew...@gmail.com'),

and then got stuck:

https://help.github.com/articles/set-up-git/#next-steps-authenticating-with-github-from-git 




so; where is GIT


Exactly which step are you stuck on?

 Peter

https://help.github.com/articles/which-remote-url-should-i-use/#cloning-with-https-recommended 



When you view a repository while signed in to your account

First of all, where do I find the GIT interface on my computer so that 
I can log into it, or,


for the sake of argument, how can I log into the GitHub using Atom 
(which I installed just before breakfast),

clone stuff and get to work?

Richmond.


Or, put another way; will Atom work as a Git GUI?

I am downloading a selection of Linux Git GUIs which all look far more 
primitive than Atom . . .



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Re: Documentation [was: Re: v8 DP3]

[Richmond]

On 08/28/2015 12:21 PM, Peter TB Brett wrote:



On 28/08/2015 10:11, Richmond wrote:

On 08/28/2015 10:28 AM, Peter W A Wood wrote:


You can make better use of Git by downloading the repository onto your
own machine. I was able to do that quite easily by following this
https://help.github.com/categories/bootcamp/
https://help.github.com/categories/bootcamp/

I have no doubt that you will breeze though the process.


I very much doubt it: I downloaded GIT,

told GIT my name ('richmond'),

told GIT my email ('richmondmathew...@gmail.com'),

and then got stuck:

https://help.github.com/articles/set-up-git/#next-steps-authenticating-with-github-from-git 




so; where is GIT


Exactly which step are you stuck on?

 Peter


https://help.github.com/articles/which-remote-url-should-i-use/#cloning-with-https-recommended

When you view a repository while signed in to your account

First of all, where do I find the GIT interface on my computer so that I 
can log into it, or,


for the sake of argument, how can I log into the GitHub using Atom 
(which I installed just before breakfast),

clone stuff and get to work?

Richmond.

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Re: Documentation [was: Re: v8 DP3]

[Peter TB Brett]

On 28/08/2015 10:11, Richmond wrote:

On 08/28/2015 10:28 AM, Peter W A Wood wrote:


You can make better use of Git by downloading the repository onto your
own machine. I was able to do that quite easily by following this
https://help.github.com/categories/bootcamp/
https://help.github.com/categories/bootcamp/

I have no doubt that you will breeze though the process.


I very much doubt it: I downloaded GIT,

told GIT my name ('richmond'),

told GIT my email ('richmondmathew...@gmail.com'),

and then got stuck:

https://help.github.com/articles/set-up-git/#next-steps-authenticating-with-github-from-git


so; where is GIT


Exactly which step are you stuck on?

 Peter

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Re: Documentation [was: Re: v8 DP3]

[Richmond]

On 08/28/2015 10:28 AM, Peter W A Wood wrote:

On 28 Aug 2015, at 15:15, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:

Well: as an almost complete newcomer to Github, I would be grateful if you 
could outline a way to edit
the documents at 
https://github.com/runrev/livecode-ide/tree/develop/Documentation/guides 
https://github.com/runrev/livecode-ide/tree/develop/Documentation/guides and 
submit them after
the editing . . . does this involve setting up my own github branch

Yes. You will need a Github account and then fork the Github repository. You 
can then edit the documents on-line. Once you have finished editing the 
documents, you will need to create a Pull Request. The LiveCode team will then 
decide whether to accept or decline your changes.

One thing that is needed for your changes to be accepted is to for you to enter into 
a contributor’s agreement http://livecode.com/account/developer/contribute 
http://livecode.com/account/developer/contribute

You can make better use of Git by downloading the repository onto your own machine. I 
was able to do that quite easily by following this 
https://help.github.com/categories/bootcamp/ 
https://help.github.com/categories/bootcamp/

I have no doubt that you will breeze though the process.


I very much doubt it: I downloaded GIT,

told GIT my name ('richmond'),

told GIT my email ('richmondmathew...@gmail.com'),

and then got stuck:

https://help.github.com/articles/set-up-git/#next-steps-authenticating-with-github-from-git

so; where is GIT

Richmond.


Peter

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Re: Documentation [was: Re: v8 DP3

[Ali Lloyd]

Hi James,
The format is indeed not straight markdown but more like YAML. The
Description element is the only part of it which is straight markdown.

You can find a complete description of the format in the Extending Livecode
guide in the dictionary, in the Specifications section.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 3:02 PM James Hale ja...@thehales.id.au wrote:

 I too was interested in helping with the documentation but am a tad
 confused about its format.
 It is not quite straight markdown, at least as far as any markdown editors
 I have put it through.
 Also I had a look at the viewer.html and was blown away at how complicated
 it was.
 Not that we need to deal with it, but given that it doesn't quite seem to
 be able to translate the markdown of the documentation fully perhaps we
 need more info on the required formatting.
 As an example have a look at what it does to the htmltext entry. Things
 are fine until halfway through it and then things go awry.

 BTW the JavaScript for the dictionary uses a hover function for the found
 entries. Lovely effect on a desktop, disaster on a touch device. Surely I
 am not the only one who likes to use a touch device to read the web, and
 yes, the documentation.

 James



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Re: v8 DP3

[Richmond]

On 08/27/2015 03:02 PM, Roger Eller wrote:

On Aug 27, 2015 3:13 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:

Aha.

Well then the Documentation is awful as it makes none of these things

clear.

Over the last 40 years (cripes what a long time) I have yet to encounter

any sort of computer programming manual

that doesn't assume the reader knows all sorts of things already.

People who write these sorts of manuals ought to go and take a short

course in reader-response theory, and...

[BROKEN WALL].   ;-)

I see an opportunity for you, Richmond.  As you learn to use LiveCode
Builder from the basics going forward, write a book and get it published as
LiveCode Builder for Dummies.


That is not as daft as it sounds.

The only  problem is that I am working my way towards using my teaching 
stuff to

write a book called LiveCode for Primary Kids.

Richmond.

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Re: v8 DP3

[Monte Goulding]

 On 27 Aug 2015, at 10:29 pm, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The only  problem is that I am working my way towards using my teaching stuff 
 to
 write a book called LiveCode for Primary Kids.

I’ll buy that as soon as it’s released. My son Matthew (9) is working his way 
through all the drag and drop block programming stuff he can find (Hopscotch, 
Scratch et al) so soon he'll be ready to start playing with LC.
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Re: v8 DP3

[Mike Bonner]

I'd spring for several and provide them to the local computer lab.
(depending on price of course.  Very limited funds)

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Earthednet-wp proth...@earthednet.org
wrote:

 Richmond,
 I'll buy it too. I have a grandson who might get into it. Not to mention a
 two sons who are elementary school teachers.

 Get on it!
 Bill

 William Prothero
 http://es.earthednet.org

  On Aug 27, 2015, at 5:36 AM, Monte Goulding mo...@sweattechnologies.com
 wrote:
 
 
  On 27 Aug 2015, at 10:29 pm, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  The only  problem is that I am working my way towards using my teaching
 stuff to
  write a book called LiveCode for Primary Kids.
 
  I’ll buy that as soon as it’s released. My son Matthew (9) is working
 his way through all the drag and drop block programming stuff he can find
 (Hopscotch, Scratch et al) so soon he'll be ready to start playing with LC.
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Re: v8 DP3

[Earthednet-wp]

Richmond,
I'll buy it too. I have a grandson who might get into it. Not to mention a two 
sons who are elementary school teachers.

Get on it!
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

 On Aug 27, 2015, at 5:36 AM, Monte Goulding mo...@sweattechnologies.com 
 wrote:
 
 
 On 27 Aug 2015, at 10:29 pm, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The only  problem is that I am working my way towards using my teaching 
 stuff to
 write a book called LiveCode for Primary Kids.
 
 I’ll buy that as soon as it’s released. My son Matthew (9) is working his way 
 through all the drag and drop block programming stuff he can find (Hopscotch, 
 Scratch et al) so soon he'll be ready to start playing with LC.
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Re: Documentation [was: Re: v8 DP3]

[Peter TB Brett]

On 2015-08-27 08:12, Richmond wrote:

On 08/27/2015 09:59 AM, Charles Warwick wrote:
/I thought I'd just open up my text file using my //*external text 
editor*//(at which point one //

// starts to wonder what the point of the Builder is)/

Both of those require questions, and at the risk of being a bore, 
I'll reiterate them:


1. Why should there be recourse to an external text editor

2.  What is the point of the Builder if one cannot type code into 
it


LCB code needs to be “compiled”, that is the purpose of the builder as 
per Peter’s comment:


The Extension Builder tool is used for compiling and packaging 
extensions.




Aha.

Well then the Documentation is awful as it makes none of these things 
clear.


Hi Richmond,

The documentation is just as free and open source as the rest of the 
LiveCode IDE.  You can find it in our git repository here:


https://github.com/runrev/livecode-ide/tree/develop/Documentation/guides

Since it's so desperately in need of improvement, and you have such a 
good idea of how it can be made better, perhaps you could help out?  
When you've already got a detailed knowledge of a topic, it's often very 
difficult to explain it in a way that's accessible to people who are new 
to it.  Having fresh eyes is often enormously helpful in improving the 
quality and structure of introductory materials!


Please let me know how I can help you get set up for using GitHub and 
making LiveCode better.  There's a brief guide to our workflow here: 
https://github.com/runrev/livecode/blob/develop/HACKING.md#using-github 
(but this, too, could probably benefit with some fleshing-out).


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Re: Documentation [was: Re: v8 DP3]

[J. Landman Gay]

On 8/27/2015 2:33 PM, Peter TB Brett wrote:

Since it's so desperately in need of improvement, and you have such a
good idea of how it can be made better, perhaps you could help out?


I love UK understatement. As one of those rude Americans I would have 
said, Okay Richmond, put your money where your mouth is, or maybe, 
put up or shut up.


We're such an...assertive...culture.

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Re: v8 DP3

[Richmond]

On 08/27/2015 01:08 AM, Peter TB Brett wrote:

On 2015-08-26 23:28, Richmond wrote:


[wall of text]



To answer the questions that I was able to identify:

* The Extension Builder tool is used for compiling and packaging 
extensions.


* Extensions may be either libraries (which add handlers to the 
LiveCode message path), widgets (which add controls to the LiveCode 
toolbox) or modules (which are used by other extensions).


* Using an external text editor is the recommended and currently only 
way to edit LiveCode Builder code.  I recommend using the Atom editor 
https://atom.io/, with my language-livecode Atom extension to add 
syntax highlighting and autocompletion for LiveCode Builder source 
files https://atom.io/packages/language-livecode.


* For a detailed, step-by-step tutorial for creating a widget, see 
this blog post: https://livecode.com/write-a-widget-in-8-steps/.


Peter



If you paid a peedie bit more attention to what you term my 'wall of text'

[aka 'Richmond plays Everyman']

you would, possibly, have taken tent of a few things that were serious 
questions:


/1. Start by creating a plain text file and save it //*do*//disk with 
the extension lcb   [Grammatical error hilited]//


//Well, that's a mug's game to start with; these should be possible to 
make from within the Extension Builder./


---

/I thought I'd just open up my text file using my //*external text 
editor*//(at which point one //

// starts to wonder what the point of the Builder is)/

Both of those require questions, and at the risk of being a bore, I'll 
reiterate them:


1. Why should there be recourse to an external text editor

2.  What is the point of the Builder if one cannot type code into it

Richmond.
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Re: v8 DP3

[Charles Warwick]

 
 /I thought I'd just open up my text file using my //*external text 
 editor*//(at which point one //
 // starts to wonder what the point of the Builder is)/
 
 Both of those require questions, and at the risk of being a bore, I'll 
 reiterate them:
 
 1. Why should there be recourse to an external text editor
 
 2.  What is the point of the Builder if one cannot type code into it
 

LCB code needs to be “compiled”, that is the purpose of the builder as per 
Peter’s comment:

The Extension Builder tool is used for compiling and packaging extensions.




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Re: v8 DP3

[AndyP]

I've created a snippet for the Atom editor to make creating .lcb files a
little easier

In Atom

(you need to have Peters packages installed first)

Go FileOpen Your Snippets

Add the following to the file

'.source.iRev, .source.lcb':
  'lcbtemplate':
'prefix': 'lcbt'
'body': '-- declaring extension as widget, followed by identifier\n
widget community.livecode.username.identifier\n
use com.livecode.canvas\n
use com.livecode.widget\n
use com.livecode.engine\n
metadata title is title\n
metadata author is author\n
metadata version is 1.0.0\n
end widget'

Then save the snippets file

Create a new .lcb file

This must be saved in order for Atom to be able to associate the .lcb file
with Peters packages.

In the new .lcb file type

lcbt and hit enter or the tab key or pick it from the auto-complete options

You will now get this added to your .lcb file 

-- declaring extension as widget, followed by identifier
 widget community.livecode.username.identifier
 use com.livecode.canvas
 use com.livecode.widget
 use com.livecode.engine
 metadata title is title
 metadata author is author
 metadata version is 1.0.0
 end widget




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Re: v8 DP3

[Richmond]

On 08/27/2015 09:59 AM, Charles Warwick wrote:

/I thought I'd just open up my text file using my //*external text editor*//(at 
which point one //
// starts to wonder what the point of the Builder is)/

Both of those require questions, and at the risk of being a bore, I'll 
reiterate them:

1. Why should there be recourse to an external text editor

2.  What is the point of the Builder if one cannot type code into it


LCB code needs to be “compiled”, that is the purpose of the builder as per 
Peter’s comment:

The Extension Builder tool is used for compiling and packaging extensions.



Aha.

Well then the Documentation is awful as it makes none of these things clear.

Over the last 40 years (cripes what a long time) I have yet to encounter 
any sort of computer programming manual

that doesn't assume the reader knows all sorts of things already.

People who write these sorts of manuals ought to go and take a short 
course in reader-response theory, and
work on the basis that ALL the people who will read what they write are 
steaming idiots who know nothing
about the subject: then, even though the vast majority won't be steaming 
idiots (well, one hopes not) the stuff
will provide all the information that, at present, writers of 
programming manuals seem to think is given.




As one writes 'normal' LiveCode scripts into the built-in scriptEditor 
(although I see a lot of people are fed-up with it - has always
served me well), it would seem 'a good thing' for the Extension Builder 
to have a scriptEditor of its own, rather than having to

rely on an external text editor.

Richmond.




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Re: v8 DP3

[Roger Eller]

On Aug 27, 2015 3:13 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:

 Aha.

 Well then the Documentation is awful as it makes none of these things
clear.

 Over the last 40 years (cripes what a long time) I have yet to encounter
any sort of computer programming manual
 that doesn't assume the reader knows all sorts of things already.

 People who write these sorts of manuals ought to go and take a short
course in reader-response theory, and...

[BROKEN WALL].   ;-)

I see an opportunity for you, Richmond.  As you learn to use LiveCode
Builder from the basics going forward, write a book and get it published as
LiveCode Builder for Dummies.
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Re: v8 DP3

[Warren Samples]

On 08/26/2015 11:54 AM, Richmond wrote:


I just knocked together a standard stack with one button containing
the script:

on mouseUp
  put HELLO
end mouseUp

before I tried building a standalone, that script did NOT work . . .

I built a 64-bit Linux standalone, and it *opened* (the script did not
run, but then it didn't in the IDE either).

I then knocked together a standard stack with one button containing
the script:

on mouseUp
   move me to 50,50
end mouseUp

*worked* in the IDE, and worked as a standalone!

Xubuntu 64-bit, 15.04

Best, Richmond.

P.S. Probably a problem caused by Vladimir *Put*in!



Here:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/9k9r6zqqs01sxo1/AAAFIpKPxoxns3kRplMOsaJda?dl=0

File: Test_26_Aug_15.zip

Richmond.
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Thank you, Richmond. The Mover standalone ran here and the stack 
successfully compiled and ran as a standalone on my machine. So, I went 
back and see that under Linux standalone settings, 64bit is deselected 
by default and I hadn't even bothered checking (red-face goes here). All 
I did was deselect Windows and OS X... I would like to politely suggest 
if Linux is by default going to build for Windows and OS X, it could 
also build by default for both Linux architectures.


It seems the answer dialog may be a problem in standalone building. 
Opening a standalone that uses an answer dialog returns this error, 
Error 91,15,1 (linebreak without a comma here in the error message) 
532,52,1 while loading stack: pLibraryName. Clicking OK does nothing. 
The dialog has to be dismissed by clicking the close button in the title 
bar. The dialog reappears. Same issue with dismissing/closing it. The 
app window then opens. A button that goes beep works as expected. The 
button that displays the answer dialog works and displays the proper 
text but the dialog again cannot by dismissed by clicking OK.


That's what I have here. Does this happen for you , or anyone else?

Warren

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Re: v8 DP3

[Warren Samples]

On 08/26/2015 10:23 AM, Richmond wrote:

Really excited, now I have a functioning 64-bit system, to dig into this
'puppy'.

Richmond.



Richmond,

Please let me know if you can build a working standalone on your system. 
I can't get a standalone built in any version of LC8 to open and run on 
my system running openSUSE and KDE. Trying to run one from the command 
line doesn't return any messages.


Warren

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Re: v8 DP3

[Richmond]

On 08/26/2015 08:02 PM, Richmond wrote:

I'm playing with the 64-bit version of LC 8.0.0 dp3

[ultimate joke: 3 days after I change from 32-bit Linux to 64-bit, 
RunRev release a dp of version 8.0.0 for 32-bit Linux]


1. No Widget Builder visible yet in

   Development  Plugins  Widget Builder

Richmond.


Err . . . but then I found an 'Extensions Builder' under 'Tools' . . .

. . . come on . . . make your minds up! Are the things 'widgets' or 
'extensions'?


Because at the moment everything is very confusing and there is a 
serious mismatch between the documentation

and the IDE.

Richmond.

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Re: v8 DP3

[Richmond]

On 08/26/2015 07:20 PM, Warren Samples wrote:

On 08/26/2015 10:23 AM, Richmond wrote:

Really excited, now I have a functioning 64-bit system, to dig into this
'puppy'.

Richmond.



Richmond,

Please let me know if you can build a working standalone on your 
system. I can't get a standalone built in any version of LC8 to open 
and run on my system running openSUSE and KDE. Trying to run one from 
the command line doesn't return any messages.


Warren



I just knocked together a standard stack with one button containing the 
script:


on mouseUp
  put HELLO
end mouseUp

before I tried building a standalone, that script did NOT work . . .

I built a 64-bit Linux standalone, and it *opened* (the script did not 
run, but then it didn't in the IDE either).


I then knocked together a standard stack with one button containing the 
script:


on mouseUp
   move me to 50,50
end mouseUp

*worked* in the IDE, and worked as a standalone!

Xubuntu 64-bit, 15.04

Best, Richmond.

P.S. Probably a problem caused by Vladimir *Put*in!
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Re: v8 DP3

[Richmond]

On 08/26/2015 07:49 PM, Richmond wrote:

On 08/26/2015 07:20 PM, Warren Samples wrote:

On 08/26/2015 10:23 AM, Richmond wrote:
Really excited, now I have a functioning 64-bit system, to dig into 
this

'puppy'.

Richmond.



Richmond,

Please let me know if you can build a working standalone on your 
system. I can't get a standalone built in any version of LC8 to open 
and run on my system running openSUSE and KDE. Trying to run one from 
the command line doesn't return any messages.


Warren



I just knocked together a standard stack with one button containing 
the script:


on mouseUp
  put HELLO
end mouseUp

before I tried building a standalone, that script did NOT work . . .

I built a 64-bit Linux standalone, and it *opened* (the script did not 
run, but then it didn't in the IDE either).


I then knocked together a standard stack with one button containing 
the script:


on mouseUp
   move me to 50,50
end mouseUp

*worked* in the IDE, and worked as a standalone!

Xubuntu 64-bit, 15.04

Best, Richmond.

P.S. Probably a problem caused by Vladimir *Put*in!



Here: 
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/9k9r6zqqs01sxo1/AAAFIpKPxoxns3kRplMOsaJda?dl=0


File: Test_26_Aug_15.zip

Richmond.
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Re: v8 DP3

[Richmond]

I'm playing with the 64-bit version of LC 8.0.0 dp3

[ultimate joke: 3 days after I change from 32-bit Linux to 64-bit, 
RunRev release a dp of version 8.0.0 for 32-bit Linux]


1. No Widget Builder visible yet in

   Development  Plugins  Widget Builder

Richmond.

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Re: v8 DP3

[Peter TB Brett]

On 2015-08-27 00:29, David Bovill wrote:


On Wednesday, August 26, 2015, Peter TB Brett 
peter.br...@livecode.com

wrote:

* For a detailed, step-by-step tutorial for creating a widget, see 
this

blog post: https://livecode.com/write-a-widget-in-8-steps/.

Is there one for library creation? Not the ancient one from Kevin?


I don't think one's been written yet.

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Re: v8 DP3

[Peter TB Brett]

On 2015-08-27 00:44, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Peter TB Brett wrote:


On 2015-08-27 00:29, David Bovill wrote:


On Wednesday, August 26, 2015, Peter TB Brett wrote:

* For a detailed, step-by-step tutorial for creating a widget, see
this blog post: https://livecode.com/write-a-widget-in-8-steps/.


Is there one for library creation? Not the ancient one from Kevin?


I don't think one's been written yet.


How is a library in v8 different from a library in v1 through 7?


He's talking about libraries written as extensions using LiveCode 
Builder.  Since LiveCode  8 doesn't have LiveCode Builder, could you 
please clarify your question?


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Re: v8 DP3

[Richard Gaskin]

Peter TB Brett wrote:

 On 2015-08-27 00:44, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 Peter TB Brett wrote:

 On 2015-08-27 00:29, David Bovill wrote:

 On Wednesday, August 26, 2015, Peter TB Brett wrote:
 * For a detailed, step-by-step tutorial for creating a widget, see
 this blog post: https://livecode.com/write-a-widget-in-8-steps/.

 Is there one for library creation? Not the ancient one from Kevin?

 I don't think one's been written yet.

 How is a library in v8 different from a library in v1 through 7?

 He's talking about libraries written as extensions using LiveCode
 Builder. Since LiveCode  8 doesn't have LiveCode Builder, could you
 please clarify your question?

No need; apparently I just missed Builder in his question.  Thanks.

When is the target date for IDE support of Builder?

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Re: v8 DP3

[Peter TB Brett]

On 2015-08-26 23:28, Richmond wrote:


[wall of text]



To answer the questions that I was able to identify:

* The Extension Builder tool is used for compiling and packaging 
extensions.


* Extensions may be either libraries (which add handlers to the 
LiveCode message path), widgets (which add controls to the LiveCode 
toolbox) or modules (which are used by other extensions).


* Using an external text editor is the recommended and currently only 
way to edit LiveCode Builder code.  I recommend using the Atom editor 
https://atom.io/, with my language-livecode Atom extension to add 
syntax highlighting and autocompletion for LiveCode Builder source files 
https://atom.io/packages/language-livecode.


* For a detailed, step-by-step tutorial for creating a widget, see this 
blog post: https://livecode.com/write-a-widget-in-8-steps/.


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Re: v8 DP3

[Richmond]

So; had a bash with LiveCode 8.0.0 dp3 on Windows 7 (thanks to the 
good offices of VMware Player 7 on Xubuntu 64-bit 15.04*) and found that 
there is no obvious differences to the 64-bit Linux version.


So (bad habit that, keeping writing 'so'), back to Linux and trying to 
learn something about the widget/extension (see abusive remarks on 
nomenclature in earlier post):


[parenthetically; slightly p*ssed off that I cannot get at IDE stacks 
via the props palette as I want to turn the menuBar and the Tools black.]


1. Start by creating a plain text file and save it *do* disk with the 
extension lcb   [Grammatical error hilited]


Well, that's a mug's game to start with; these should be possible to 
make from within the Extension Builder.


2.  Well, there we are; created a document called cheese.lcb in my '8 
ball' directory where I am messing around right now. Used
 'LeafPad' - bog standard text editor that comes with Xubuntu - 
nothing special; saved in UTF - 8 (LF) format; let's see if LiveCode 
'likes' that.


2.1. I wonder why the Extension Builder keeps defaulting to the 
/extensions/ directory and won't 'fixate' on my directory?


3.  OK: apparently I have opened the text document in the Builder . . .

4.  Start by declaring the type of extension, either 'widget or 
library followed by your identifier . . . err . . . OK . . .


4.1  Where? Neither of the 2 fields in the Builder will let me select 
them so I can type anything: neither the 'Resources' fld, nor

   the 'User Guide' (which is obviously not the right place.

4.2  I tried clicking on the 'Script' button [Opens the lcb script in 
an external default editor. - AND how does one set that?] nothing happened.


5. Grind to a halt because the Documentation seems insufficient . . .

6. Here's another funny one: See Select A Developer ID below . . . 
scrolling all the way through the Guide this section is missing.


7.  Being a clever sort of chap (?) I thought I'd just open up my text 
file using my *external text editor* (at which point one
 starts to wonder what the point of the Builder is . . .  and copy 
and adapt the example given in the Docs:


/widget community.livecode.richmond.dafttry//
//
//use com.livecode.canvas//
//use com.livecode.widget//
//use com.livecode.engine//
//
//metadata title is Daft Try//
//metadata author is Richmond//
//metadata version is 1.0.0//
//
//end widget/

As the Documentation does *NOT* let one copy-paste I had to type all 
that out . . .and that is silly.


At this point I got fed up and decided to go to bed.

I might continue tomorrow . . .

*2 MAIN CRITICISMS*:

1. Use of text editor; not good.

2. Inability to copy-paste: Shakespeare must be turning in his grave!

Richmond.










* VMware Player 7 is FREE, but it is only available Linux-wise for 
64-bit distros, the most recent version for 32-bit distros being version 6;
to which the only serious response can be mene mene tekel upharsin and 
get a 64-bit distro running as soon as possible.


To install Windows 7 on VMware is no more difficult than installing it 
on a physical computer.

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Re: v8 DP3

[Richard Gaskin]

Peter TB Brett wrote:

 On 2015-08-27 00:29, David Bovill wrote:

 On Wednesday, August 26, 2015, Peter TB Brett wrote:
 * For a detailed, step-by-step tutorial for creating a widget, see
 this blog post: https://livecode.com/write-a-widget-in-8-steps/.

 Is there one for library creation? Not the ancient one from Kevin?

 I don't think one's been written yet.

How is a library in v8 different from a library in v1 through 7?

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Re: v8 DP3

[Fraser Gordon]

On 26 Aug 2015, at 15:57, Paul Richards p...@smarttsoftware.co.uk wrote:

 Downloads for this version have gone live..
 
 I'm sure LC will follow up with an official announcement and changelog shortly
 
 Paul :)

Apparently, I don’t type the release email quickly enough ;)

Fraser



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Re: v8 DP3

[Richmond]

On 08/26/2015 06:01 PM, Fraser Gordon wrote:

On 26 Aug 2015, at 15:57, Paul Richards p...@smarttsoftware.co.uk wrote:


Downloads for this version have gone live..

I'm sure LC will follow up with an official announcement and changelog shortly

Paul :)

Apparently, I don’t type the release email quickly enough ;)

Fraser





Time for some finger yoga; obviously your fingers are seizing up from 
all that coding!


Really excited, now I have a functioning 64-bit system, to dig into this 
'puppy'.


Richmond.

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Re: v8 DP3

[Richmond]

On 08/26/2015 10:42 PM, Warren Samples wrote:

On 08/26/2015 11:54 AM, Richmond wrote:


I just knocked together a standard stack with one button containing
the script:

on mouseUp
  put HELLO
end mouseUp

before I tried building a standalone, that script did NOT work . . .

I built a 64-bit Linux standalone, and it *opened* (the script did not
run, but then it didn't in the IDE either).

I then knocked together a standard stack with one button containing
the script:

on mouseUp
   move me to 50,50
end mouseUp

*worked* in the IDE, and worked as a standalone!

Xubuntu 64-bit, 15.04

Best, Richmond.

P.S. Probably a problem caused by Vladimir *Put*in!



Here:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/9k9r6zqqs01sxo1/AAAFIpKPxoxns3kRplMOsaJda?dl=0 



File: Test_26_Aug_15.zip

Richmond.
___




Thank you, Richmond. The Mover standalone ran here and the stack 
successfully compiled and ran as a standalone on my machine. So, I 
went back and see that under Linux standalone settings, 64bit is 
deselected by default and I hadn't even bothered checking (red-face 
goes here). All I did was deselect Windows and OS X... I would like to 
politely suggest if Linux is by default going to build for Windows and 
OS X, it could also build by default for both Linux architectures.


+1  especially as a very large number of desktops that do use Linux are 
using 64-bit versions.




It seems the answer dialog may be a problem in standalone building. 
Opening a standalone that uses an answer dialog returns this error, 
Error 91,15,1 (linebreak without a comma here in the error message) 
532,52,1 while loading stack: pLibraryName. Clicking OK does 
nothing. The dialog has to be dismissed by clicking the close button 
in the title bar. The dialog reappears. Same issue with 
dismissing/closing it. The app window then opens. A button that goes 
beep works as expected. The button that displays the answer dialog 
works and displays the proper text but the dialog again cannot by 
dismissed by clicking OK.


That's what I have here. Does this happen for you , or anyone else?

Warren



Richmond.

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Re: v8 DP3

[Peter TB Brett]

On 2015-08-27 01:02, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Peter TB Brett wrote:


He's talking about libraries written as extensions using LiveCode
Builder. Since LiveCode  8 doesn't have LiveCode Builder, could you
please clarify your question?


No need; apparently I just missed Builder in his question.  Thanks.

When is the target date for IDE support of Builder?


I don't think there are any specific plans for that yet, or at least, 
none that I'm aware of.


Obviously in-IDE editing of .lcb files will be added at some point in 
the future, but I can't say when.


Peter

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Re: v8 DP3

[David Bovill]

Is there one for library creation? Not the ancient one from Kevin?

On Wednesday, August 26, 2015, Peter TB Brett peter.br...@livecode.com
wrote:

 On 2015-08-26 23:28, Richmond wrote:


 [wall of text]


 To answer the questions that I was able to identify:

 * The Extension Builder tool is used for compiling and packaging
 extensions.

 * Extensions may be either libraries (which add handlers to the LiveCode
 message path), widgets (which add controls to the LiveCode toolbox) or
 modules (which are used by other extensions).

 * Using an external text editor is the recommended and currently only way
 to edit LiveCode Builder code.  I recommend using the Atom editor 
 https://atom.io/, with my language-livecode Atom extension to add
 syntax highlighting and autocompletion for LiveCode Builder source files 
 https://atom.io/packages/language-livecode.

 * For a detailed, step-by-step tutorial for creating a widget, see this
 blog post: https://livecode.com/write-a-widget-in-8-steps/.

 Peter

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 LiveCode Engine Development Team

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