Re: Richards talk seems to have gone down well
Monte Goulding wrote: @jonobacon: Watching @FourthWorldSys speak about LiveCode at Ubucon. Looks interesting. :-) #ubuntu Thanks for that, Monte, and for the kind words, Paul. Yes, UbuCon at SCaLE 11x was tons of fun for all. Kevin's assistant Mildred had some flyers printed for event which I distributed throughout the conference as well, and all three days I had people coming up to me asking me about this LiveCode thing. :) Jono's great. His role at Canonical is Ubuntu Community Manager, more of less the central cat-herder between the hundreds of employees at Canonical who make and support Ubuntu and thousands of people in the rest of the world who make it happen together. I've corresponded with him for some time (we'll have an interview with him at LiveCode Journal at some point), and I finally met him in person at the Ubuntu Developer Summit in Oakland last May. He's a powerhouse of stong energy and great ideas for managing the various and sometimes disparate views of community members. We'll need someone like him in the LiveCode community if this transition to open source is to work out. One of my best moments at SCaLE this year was getting a signed copy of Jono's book at the O'Reilly booth, The Art of Community: http://www.artofcommunityonline.org/ For anyone managing sizable communities, esp. in the open source software world, this book is an invaluable compendium. True to the free-and-open spirit which drives so much of the work Jono does, a PDF version of the book is available at no cost from that site. And if you want the printed version, or if you just want to encourage O'Reilly to keep publishing books like this, you can purchase it here: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920021995.do And a big shout out to Jon Johns at O'Reilly. He's their community support contact, helping local user groups get access to the various products and services O'Reilly provides. If you have a user group and want to report on a new O'Reilly title or an upcoming O'Reilly event with your members, drop me an email with your contact info and outline of your organization and I'll pass it along to Mr. Johns. You may recall the Linux command line cheat sheets I handed at out RevLive in San Jose - those were from Jon Johns at O'Reilly. He loves to help user groups. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Richards talk seems to have gone down well
On Feb 25, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Yes, UbuCon at SCaLE 11x was tons of fun for all. Kevin's assistant Mildred had some flyers printed for event which I distributed throughout the conference as well, and all three days I had people coming up to me asking me about this LiveCode thing. :) Would you tells us more about your presentation? What did you discuss? How many people attended? Give us all the gory details. I saw the number jump in a big way over the weekend. I attributed it to you getting all the Linux gurus excited about LiveCode. Best regards, Mark Talluto canelasoftware.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Richards talk seems to have gone down well
Mark Talluto wrote: Would you tells us more about your presentation? What did you discuss? How many people attended? Give us all the gory details. I saw the number jump in a big way over the weekend. I attributed it to you getting all the Linux gurus excited about LiveCode. I'll be as brief as I can be (not easy for me g), since I need to catch up on some things now that I'm back in the office, but here goes: UbuCon is one of several Special Events that take place at the SoCal Linux Expo on the Friday before the expo weekend. We were scheduled a room which could accommodate about a hundred people, but were often spilling out into the hallway, and of course with Jono Bacon's talk on the exciting new Ubuntu smartphone and tablet demos we were packed beyond belief (UbuCon will be getting a bigger room next year). SCaLE as a whole brought in a record crowd, nearly doubling last year's attendance to bring this year to 2,300. If this were any other crowd, being among that many people so much smarter than me would have been intimidating, but this was a Linux expo, so it's more about just sharing knowledge in a fun environment so everyone gets smarter together. :) While UbuCon itself is a relatively small part of SCaLE, we did have a lot of traffic drop in from other tracks on Friday, and having the LiveCode talk outlined in the schedule probably didn't hurt, as people who had been to UbuCon talked to their friends, and those who just stumbled across it in the listings on their own and were curious about it. Monte and I corresponded before UbuCon, and agreed that spending too much time actually coding is less compelling for an introduction than simply giving a high-level overview of the tool with lots of slides showing examples of nice apps from the community (thanks to Ken Ray and Scott Rossi and others who've made screen shots available of their work - I was able to pull together a good mix of desktop and mobile apps on all platforms, using a couple of products I manage as case studies). The only scripting I showed live was a simple Hello World' app that just put text into a field, but the concept of such tight integration between GUI objects and the language that manipulates them is such an important distinction with LiveCode that I got a lot of mileage out of it, allowing me to introduce the messaging system and a bit of the object model. And of course I built the app, for Win and Mac in addition to Linux, and showed them how LC builds them into folders ready to be shared. I ran the Linux app of course, but then showed them the app size (about 2.5Bs), noting that unlike Python and so many other alternatives LC apps are true standalones, giving a brief description of its modest system requirements and its unusually small number of system dependencies. I wrapped the talk up with a discussion of the open source initiative, the dual-licensing, the Kickstarter, and a description of the plans outlined on the Kickstarter page. When I mentioned the amount Jono nodded knowingly, and I noted that pretty much everyone I've talked to about serious code base management at this scale always seems to have that reaction to the cost of refactoring such a massive beast. In discussion with the many people who came up to me to ask about LiveCode through the rest of the weekend, it seemed more than a few had become seriously curious about this strange new toy. We'll see how it goes... -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Richards talk seems to have gone down well
Sounds like a great talk Richard. I think it's too easy for people to dismiss the hello world type demo with .. it's just a toy if that's all it can do. Maybe in an education setting that's fine but certainly not at UbuCon. Real case studies like you delivered clearly demonstrate that you can produce quality apps on this platform. If you have slides it might be worth sharing and spreading the url via social networks. On 26/02/2013, at 6:46 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Mark Talluto wrote: Would you tells us more about your presentation? What did you discuss? How many people attended? Give us all the gory details. I saw the number jump in a big way over the weekend. I attributed it to you getting all the Linux gurus excited about LiveCode. I'll be as brief as I can be (not easy for me g), since I need to catch up on some things now that I'm back in the office, but here goes: UbuCon is one of several Special Events that take place at the SoCal Linux Expo on the Friday before the expo weekend. We were scheduled a room which could accommodate about a hundred people, but were often spilling out into the hallway, and of course with Jono Bacon's talk on the exciting new Ubuntu smartphone and tablet demos we were packed beyond belief (UbuCon will be getting a bigger room next year). SCaLE as a whole brought in a record crowd, nearly doubling last year's attendance to bring this year to 2,300. If this were any other crowd, being among that many people so much smarter than me would have been intimidating, but this was a Linux expo, so it's more about just sharing knowledge in a fun environment so everyone gets smarter together. :) While UbuCon itself is a relatively small part of SCaLE, we did have a lot of traffic drop in from other tracks on Friday, and having the LiveCode talk outlined in the schedule probably didn't hurt, as people who had been to UbuCon talked to their friends, and those who just stumbled across it in the listings on their own and were curious about it. Monte and I corresponded before UbuCon, and agreed that spending too much time actually coding is less compelling for an introduction than simply giving a high-level overview of the tool with lots of slides showing examples of nice apps from the community (thanks to Ken Ray and Scott Rossi and others who've made screen shots available of their work - I was able to pull together a good mix of desktop and mobile apps on all platforms, using a couple of products I manage as case studies). The only scripting I showed live was a simple Hello World' app that just put text into a field, but the concept of such tight integration between GUI objects and the language that manipulates them is such an important distinction with LiveCode that I got a lot of mileage out of it, allowing me to introduce the messaging system and a bit of the object model. And of course I built the app, for Win and Mac in addition to Linux, and showed them how LC builds them into folders ready to be shared. I ran the Linux app of course, but then showed them the app size (about 2.5Bs), noting that unlike Python and so many other alternatives LC apps are true standalones, giving a brief description of its modest system requirements and its unusually small number of system dependencies. I wrapped the talk up with a discussion of the open source initiative, the dual-licensing, the Kickstarter, and a description of the plans outlined on the Kickstarter page. When I mentioned the amount Jono nodded knowingly, and I noted that pretty much everyone I've talked to about serious code base management at this scale always seems to have that reaction to the cost of refactoring such a massive beast. In discussion with the many people who came up to me to ask about LiveCode through the rest of the weekend, it seemed more than a few had become seriously curious about this strange new toy. We'll see how it goes... -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Richards talk seems to have gone down well
On Feb 25, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: In discussion with the many people who came up to me to ask about LiveCode through the rest of the weekend, it seemed more than a few had become seriously curious about this strange new toy. We'll see how it goes... Very cool! Sounds like a great experience. I am sure it is making a difference in the KS. Best regards, Mark Talluto canelasoftware.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Richards talk seems to have gone down well
@jonobacon: Watching @FourthWorldSys speak about LiveCode at Ubucon. Looks interesting. :-) #ubuntu -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Richards talk seems to have gone down well
Congratulations and good work, Richard. Paul Looney On Feb 22, 2013, at 6:19 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: @jonobacon: Watching @FourthWorldSys speak about LiveCode at Ubucon. Looks interesting. :-) #ubuntu -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
