Re: Sauce Bottle

[Marty Billingsley]

iCode
(coding for the masses….)

>  Roger Eller  wrote:
> 
> How about "HyperCard"?  
> On Mar 3, 2013 12:04 PM, "Colin Holgate"  wrote:
> 
>> AliveAndWellCode perhaps?
>> 
>> 
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Re: Sauce Bottle

[Robert Sneidar]

Those were great machines for their time too! Lasted forever as you well know. 
I ported SBT for DOS to run on those Macs and we had our whole radio ministry 
using them for everything for many a year. 

Bob


On Mar 3, 2013, at 1:35 AM, Richmond wrote:

> On 03/03/2013 11:11 AM, Monte Goulding wrote:
>> On 03/03/2013, at 11:22 AM, Roger Eller  wrote:
>> 
>>> Do we also refer to it as LCIi?
> 
> Hey, I've got a Macintosh LC475 in my attic in Scotland; maybe the ghost of 
> Steve will 'do' RunRev through
> the courts.

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Re: Sauce Bottle

[Paul Looney]

Roger,

Thank you (my company's name is "Simple Solutions").

I like using "Free" instead of "Community" because "free" is one of the top 
best selling words. It is also shorter.
I think "LiveCode" should always be the first word - and I agree that it should 
be used in all versions.

I miss the old days when we had MetaCard and Transcript - different names for 
the RAD and the language. "LiveCode Code" doesn't cut it for me.

Paul Looney



On Mar 3, 2013, at 5:13 PM, Roger Eller wrote:

> Simple. Professional. Like!
> 
> Sent from my Pipo M2



> On Mar 3, 2013 8:10 PM, "Paul Looney"  wrote:
> 
>> Maybe:
>> LiveCode Free
>> LiveCode Commercial
>> LiveCode Enterprise
>> Paul Looney

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Re: Sauce Bottle

[Roger Eller]

Simple. Professional. Like!

Sent from my Pipo M2
On Mar 3, 2013 8:10 PM, "Paul Looney"  wrote:

> Maybe:
> LiveCode Free
> LiveCode Commercial
> LiveCode Enterprise
> Paul Looney
>
> On Mar 3, 2013, at 2:40 PM, Roger Eller wrote:
>
> > LiveCode OpenSource Edition
> > LiveCode Free Edition
> > LiveCode Kickstarted Edition
> > LiveCode Education Edition
> > LiveCode My Edition
> > LiveCode Sauce Bottle Edition
> > On Mar 3, 2013 5:26 PM, "Colin Holgate"  wrote:
> >
> >> And it would be too similar, at a glance, to LiveCode Commercial
> Edition.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mar 3, 2013, at 5:09 PM, Richmond 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> I believe the community edition of LiveCode is called "LiveCode
> >> Community Edition".
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Is that official?
> >>>
> >>> And does what is a bit of a mouthful have an abbreviated form?
> >>
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Re: Sauce Bottle

[Paul Looney]

Maybe:
LiveCode Free
LiveCode Commercial
LiveCode Enterprise
Paul Looney

On Mar 3, 2013, at 2:40 PM, Roger Eller wrote:

> LiveCode OpenSource Edition
> LiveCode Free Edition
> LiveCode Kickstarted Edition
> LiveCode Education Edition
> LiveCode My Edition
> LiveCode Sauce Bottle Edition
> On Mar 3, 2013 5:26 PM, "Colin Holgate"  wrote:
> 
>> And it would be too similar, at a glance, to LiveCode Commercial Edition.
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 3, 2013, at 5:09 PM, Richmond  wrote:
>> 
>>>> I believe the community edition of LiveCode is called "LiveCode
>> Community Edition".
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Is that official?
>>> 
>>> And does what is a bit of a mouthful have an abbreviated form?
>> 
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Re: Sauce Bottle

[Richard Gaskin]

Monte Golding wrote:

> When you refer to MySQL do you say MySQL Community Edition?

Now that MySQL is owned by Larry Ellison, when people are referring to 
the community edition they say "MariaDB".


;)

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Re: Sauce Bottle

[Monte Goulding]

On 04/03/2013, at 9:09 AM, Richmond wrote:

> On 03/04/2013 12:01 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> I believe the community edition of LiveCode is called "LiveCode Community 
>> Edition".
>> 
> 
> Is that official?
> 
> And does what is a bit of a mouthful have an abbreviated form?

When you refer to MySQL do you say MySQL Community Edition? Or just MySQL. 
That's why originally said just LiveCode because we should all keep calling it 
LiveCode so RunRev get the best marketing advantage they can out of it. In the 
end the only difference is going to be a license and in the scheme of things a 
relatively minor feature.

Cheers

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Re: Sauce Bottle

[Roger Eller]

LiveCode OpenSource Edition
LiveCode Free Edition
LiveCode Kickstarted Edition
LiveCode Education Edition
LiveCode My Edition
LiveCode Sauce Bottle Edition
 On Mar 3, 2013 5:26 PM, "Colin Holgate"  wrote:

> And it would be too similar, at a glance, to LiveCode Commercial Edition.
>
>
> On Mar 3, 2013, at 5:09 PM, Richmond  wrote:
>
> >> I believe the community edition of LiveCode is called "LiveCode
> Community Edition".
> >>
> >
> > Is that official?
> >
> > And does what is a bit of a mouthful have an abbreviated form?
>
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Re: Sauce Bottle

[Colin Holgate]

And it would be too similar, at a glance, to LiveCode Commercial Edition.


On Mar 3, 2013, at 5:09 PM, Richmond  wrote:

>> I believe the community edition of LiveCode is called "LiveCode Community 
>> Edition".
>> 
> 
> Is that official?
> 
> And does what is a bit of a mouthful have an abbreviated form?

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Re: Sauce Bottle

[Richmond]

On 03/04/2013 12:01 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
I believe the community edition of LiveCode is called "LiveCode 
Community Edition".




Is that official?

And does what is a bit of a mouthful have an abbreviated form?

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Re: Sauce Bottle

[Richard Gaskin]

I believe the community edition of LiveCode is called "LiveCode 
Community Edition".


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Re: Sauce Bottle

[Peter Haworth]

Or FreeCode.
Pete
lcSQL Software 


On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Roger Eller wrote:

> How about "HyperCard"?  
> On Mar 3, 2013 12:04 PM, "Colin Holgate"  wrote:
>
> > AliveAndWellCode perhaps?
> >
> >
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Re: Sauce Bottle

[Roger Eller]

How about "HyperCard"?  
On Mar 3, 2013 12:04 PM, "Colin Holgate"  wrote:

> AliveAndWellCode perhaps?
>
>
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Re: Sauce Bottle

[Colin Holgate]

AliveAndWellCode perhaps?



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Re: Sauce Bottle

[Richmond]

On 03/03/2013 06:45 PM, Jim Kanter wrote:

Maybe OpenCode?
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A quick Google search will show you that that has been taken a good 
half-a-dozen times already.


Just as long as it is not 'DeadCode' I'm not that fussy.

Richmond.

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Re: Sauce Bottle

[Jim Kanter]

Maybe OpenCode?
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Re: Sauce Bottle

[Roger Eller]

Oops, meant LCatryi.

~Roger
On Mar 3, 2013 11:16 AM, "Roger Eller"  wrote:

> LCIi is just the abbreviated form of "LiveCode I imagine". It's not
> LCartyi.  ;-)
>
> ~Roger
>
> On 03/03/2013, at 11:22 AM, Roger Eller 
> wrote:
>
> > Do we also refer to it as LCIi?
>
> I only said I imagine not all the rest y'all imagine Make up your own
> name for your own fork ;-)
>
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Re: Sauce Bottle

[Roger Eller]

LCIi is just the abbreviated form of "LiveCode I imagine". It's not
LCartyi.  ;-)

~Roger

On 03/03/2013, at 11:22 AM, Roger Eller  wrote:

> Do we also refer to it as LCIi?

I only said I imagine not all the rest y'all imagine Make up your own
name for your own fork ;-)

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Re: Sauce Bottle

[Monte Goulding]

> Probably not anymore - all those externals will get rolled into the 'stew'.


Other people could implement them sure... or I could decide to license them to 
RunRev via a contributor agreement. However, just because LiveCode is open 
source doesn't stop someone from creating addons.

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Re: Sauce Bottle

[Monte Goulding]

On 03/03/2013, at 8:35 PM, Richmond  wrote:

> On 03/03/2013 11:11 AM, Monte Goulding wrote:
>> On 03/03/2013, at 11:22 AM, Roger Eller  wrote:
>> 
>>> Do we also refer to it as LCIi?
> 
> Hey, I've got a Macintosh LC475 in my attic in Scotland; maybe the ghost of 
> Steve will 'do' RunRev through
> the courts.
> 
>> I only said I imagine not all the rest y'all imagine Make up your own 
>> name for your own fork ;-)
> 
> That's going to make things 'forking' confusing.
> 
> It will end up like names for Karate styles . . .
> 
> The other thing that does occur to me is whether Monte's fork having some 
> really fantastic features and Jacque's fork
> having some different fantastic features will cause me to have a nervous 
> breakdown because I am unable to choose
> between them, or, like a shop with a really revolting name  just round the 
> corner here in Plovdiv, called "Accessorize", one can
> cherry pick from different 'forks', 'distros' (ha,ha,ha; now there's a word 
> to conjure with) the features one most likes.
> 
> Just for the sake of argument: my second PC is currently running Ubuntu 12.04 
> with the 'Pantheon' window manager
> and the 'Avant Window Manager' dock. That set up did not come out of one box, 
> but got cobbled together by me.
> 
> --
> 
> Perhaps the answer is going to depend on where the mods in each fork lie . . .
> 
> Obviously if they lie in the GUI they can be swapped around,
> 
> If they are in that mysterious collection of stacks staring with 'rev' they 
> can be swapped around, albeit with less impunity that
> plain GUI ones,
> 
> And mods to the engine? Probably no chance of mixing-and-matching there.
> 
> -
> 
> Certainly if there really are going to be 108 forks (and forks of forks);
> 
> Big fleas have little fleas,
> Upon their backs to bite 'em,
> And little fleas have lesser fleas,
> and so, ad infinitum.
> 
> a coherent and comprehensible naming convention will have to be established, 
> otherwise nobody will stand a chance.
> 
> I don't think "Livecode Richmond out of Jacque out of Klaus out of Monte out 
> of Edinburgh" is going to help much.
> 
> "Adam begat CAIN who begat ENOCH who begat IRAD who begat MEHUJAEL who begat 
> METHUSAEL who begat LAMECH"
> 
> I remember asking my Primary school teacher what that all meant and she went 
> bright red, because, poor dear, she hadn't a clue.
> Although I am the father of 2 boys (whoops, young men), I still don't 
> understand how those Old Testament types did "it"
> with not a woman in sight . . . LOL.  Probably the answer lies hidden in that 
> unusual verb.
> 
>> 
>> --
>> Monte Goulding
>> 
>> M E R Goulding - software development services
>> mergExt - There's an external for that!
> 
> Probably not anymore - all those externals will get rolled into the 'stew'.
> 
> And that is also a potential pitfall; so many ingredients in the stew that 
> the whole thing is completely tasteless
> and just one great big, ugly mush.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
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Re: Sauce Bottle

[Richmond]

On 03/03/2013 11:11 AM, Monte Goulding wrote:

On 03/03/2013, at 11:22 AM, Roger Eller  wrote:


Do we also refer to it as LCIi?


Hey, I've got a Macintosh LC475 in my attic in Scotland; maybe the ghost 
of Steve will 'do' RunRev through

the courts.


I only said I imagine not all the rest y'all imagine Make up your own name 
for your own fork ;-)


That's going to make things 'forking' confusing.

It will end up like names for Karate styles . . .

The other thing that does occur to me is whether Monte's fork having 
some really fantastic features and Jacque's fork
having some different fantastic features will cause me to have a nervous 
breakdown because I am unable to choose
between them, or, like a shop with a really revolting name  just round 
the corner here in Plovdiv, called "Accessorize", one can
cherry pick from different 'forks', 'distros' (ha,ha,ha; now there's a 
word to conjure with) the features one most likes.


Just for the sake of argument: my second PC is currently running Ubuntu 
12.04 with the 'Pantheon' window manager
and the 'Avant Window Manager' dock. That set up did not come out of one 
box, but got cobbled together by me.


--

Perhaps the answer is going to depend on where the mods in each fork lie 
. . .


Obviously if they lie in the GUI they can be swapped around,

If they are in that mysterious collection of stacks staring with 'rev' 
they can be swapped around, albeit with less impunity that

plain GUI ones,

And mods to the engine? Probably no chance of mixing-and-matching there.

-

Certainly if there really are going to be 108 forks (and forks of forks);

Big fleas have little fleas,
Upon their backs to bite 'em,
And little fleas have lesser fleas,
and so, ad infinitum.

a coherent and comprehensible naming convention will have to be 
established, otherwise nobody will stand a chance.


I don't think "Livecode Richmond out of Jacque out of Klaus out of Monte 
out of Edinburgh" is going to help much.


"Adam begat CAIN who begat ENOCH who begat IRAD who begat MEHUJAEL who 
begat METHUSAEL who begat LAMECH"


I remember asking my Primary school teacher what that all meant and she 
went bright red, because, poor dear, she hadn't a clue.
Although I am the father of 2 boys (whoops, young men), I still don't 
understand how those Old Testament types did "it"
with not a woman in sight . . . LOL.  Probably the answer lies hidden in 
that unusual verb.




--
Monte Goulding

M E R Goulding - software development services
mergExt - There's an external for that!


Probably not anymore - all those externals will get rolled into the 'stew'.

And that is also a potential pitfall; so many ingredients in the stew 
that the whole thing is completely tasteless

and just one great big, ugly mush.

Richmond.


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Re: Sauce Bottle

[Monte Goulding]

On 03/03/2013, at 11:22 AM, Roger Eller  wrote:

> Do we also refer to it as LCIi?

I only said I imagine not all the rest y'all imagine Make up your own name 
for your own fork ;-)

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Re: Sauce Bottle

[Mark Wieder]

Roger-

Saturday, March 2, 2013, 4:22:39 PM, you wrote:

> In what way does the "I imagine" differentiate it from the regular
> LiveCode? Is it because the open source version doesn't exist yet, so you
> can only imagine it?  ;-D

> Do we also refer to it as LCIi?

No, I think the plural is LCWei of LCUsi.

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Re: Sauce Bottle

[Roger Eller]

In what way does the "I imagine" differentiate it from the regular
LiveCode? Is it because the open source version doesn't exist yet, so you
can only imagine it?  ;-D

Do we also refer to it as LCIi?

~Roger
On Mar 2, 2013 6:37 PM, "Monte Goulding" 
wrote:

> LiveCode I imagine
>
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> On 03/03/2013, at 8:04 AM, Richmond  wrote:
>
> > Is there any word as to what the Open Source version of Livecode will be
> called?
> >
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Re: Sauce Bottle

[Monte Goulding]

LiveCode I imagine

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On 03/03/2013, at 8:04 AM, Richmond  wrote:

> Is there any word as to what the Open Source version of Livecode will be 
> called?
> 
> Richmond.
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Sauce Bottle

[Richmond]

Is there any word as to what the Open Source version of Livecode will be 
called?


Richmond.

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