Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
These new properties for redrawing controls are a clear step forward and I hope to see soon a zoom control, that allows to enlarge or reduce all objects within the rectangle of a group. :-D Double thumbs Up!!! Al ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
OK, OK. How about Ricotta? It's not ch***e. Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Paul Looney simpl...@aol.com wrote: Help! Heather? Time, again, to ban imports of cheese. Paul Looney On Oct 13, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/13/2011 09:53 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: I'm sooo tempted to list all Dutch cheeses! A very, very great disappointment to me that we cannot buy Nagel Kaas here in Bulgaria. try getting french cheese here in Brazil. It will cost you a kidney and an arm. Dutch cheese, no way! Heck, I almost cried when I found cheddar, real cheddar, here for the first time in 15 years. Brazilians think that cheddar is that processed stuff that macdonalds puts on sandwich. It gets worse, people here sell something called Dressing type cheddar (I am not joking) which is not really made of milk but of something that is grown and is not eaten by a cow. but on the other hand, Brazilian Minas Cheese ROCKS!!! -- Kind regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Http://economy-x-talk.com Share the clipboard of your computer over a local network with Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-**x-talk.com http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com Op 13 okt. 2011 om 20:46 heeft René Micoutrene.micout@** numericable.comrene.mic...@numericable.com het volgende geschreven: YES and... le Livarot, le Pont-l'évêque, le Morbier, le Neufchâtel, Le Comté, le Maroil, le Beaufort, le Brie, le Boursin, le Crotin de Chavignoles, le Bleu d'Auvergne, le Bleu de Bresse, la Brousse, le Chaumes, le Cantal, le Chabichou, l'Epoisses, la Tomme des Bauges, le Munster, le Reblochon, le Petit René... and so on http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/** Liste_de_fromages_français http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_de_fromages_fran%C3%A7ais You understand now why cheese is OT ? ;-) Bon souvenir de Paris et particulièrement pour Richmond ! __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code. http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
On 10/14/2011 12:17 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: I recognize that pun, from ages ago. On Oct 13, 2011, at 4:53 PM, Keith Clarke wrote: ...isn't that always the whey! ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode This has degenerated into curd [misprint] ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
On 10/14/2011 09:02 AM, Pete wrote: OK, OK. How about Ricotta? It's not ch***e. Really? What is it then? This seems similar to the claim that RunRev/Livecode is NOT a programming language. Pete Molly's Revengehttp://www.mollysrevenge.com On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Paul Looneysimpl...@aol.com wrote: Help! Heather? Time, again, to ban imports of cheese. Paul Looney On Oct 13, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/13/2011 09:53 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: I'm sooo tempted to list all Dutch cheeses! A very, very great disappointment to me that we cannot buy Nagel Kaas here in Bulgaria. try getting french cheese here in Brazil. It will cost you a kidney and an arm. Dutch cheese, no way! Heck, I almost cried when I found cheddar, real cheddar, here for the first time in 15 years. Brazilians think that cheddar is that processed stuff that macdonalds puts on sandwich. It gets worse, people here sell something called Dressing type cheddar (I am not joking) which is not really made of milk but of something that is grown and is not eaten by a cow. but on the other hand, Brazilian Minas Cheese ROCKS!!! -- Kind regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Http://economy-x-talk.com Share the clipboard of your computer over a local network with Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-**x-talk.com http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com Op 13 okt. 2011 om 20:46 heeft René Micoutrene.micout@** numericable.comrene.mic...@numericable.com het volgende geschreven: YES and... le Livarot, le Pont-l'évêque, le Morbier, le Neufchâtel, Le Comté, le Maroil, le Beaufort, le Brie, le Boursin, le Crotin de Chavignoles, le Bleu d'Auvergne, le Bleu de Bresse, la Brousse, le Chaumes, le Cantal, le Chabichou, l'Epoisses, la Tomme des Bauges, le Munster, le Reblochon, le Petit René... and so on http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/** Liste_de_fromages_français http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_de_fromages_fran%C3%A7ais You understand now why cheese is OT ? ;-) Bon souvenir de Paris et particulièrement pour Richmond ! __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code. http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
On 14 Oct 2011, at 09:50, Richmond Mathewson wrote: This has degenerated into curd [misprint] ...and we all know you can't polish one of those - hence the desperate need for a LiveCode web deployment mechanism that doesn't require a plugin! ;-) ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
* * * From Wikipedia:* * * *Ricotta* (Italian pronunciation: [riˈkɔtta]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_Italian) is an Italian dairy product http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_product made from sheep (or cow, goat, buffalo) milk whey left over from the production of cheese. Although typically referred to as ricotta cheese, ricotta is not properly a cheese because it is not produced by coagulation of caseinhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casein. Rather it is made by coagulating other milk proteins, notably albuminhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albumin and globulin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globulin, left over in the whey that separates from the milk during the production of cheese. In fact, ricotta is safely eaten by individuals with casein intolerance. Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/14/2011 09:02 AM, Pete wrote: OK, OK. How about Ricotta? It's not ch***e. Really? What is it then? This seems similar to the claim that RunRev/Livecode is NOT a programming language. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
Ricotta Ricotta Ricotta!! HAH HAH! I said it and you can't make me stop!! ;-) On Oct 14, 2011, at 8:57 AM, Pete wrote: * * * From Wikipedia:* * * *Ricotta* (Italian pronunciation: [riˈkɔtta]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_Italian) is an Italian dairy product http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_product made from sheep (or cow, goat, buffalo) milk whey left over from the production of cheese. Although typically referred to as ricotta cheese, ricotta is not properly a cheese because it is not produced by coagulation of caseinhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casein. Rather it is made by coagulating other milk proteins, notably albuminhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albumin and globulin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globulin, left over in the whey that separates from the milk during the production of cheese. In fact, ricotta is safely eaten by individuals with casein intolerance. Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/14/2011 09:02 AM, Pete wrote: OK, OK. How about Ricotta? It's not ch***e. Really? What is it then? This seems similar to the claim that RunRev/Livecode is NOT a programming language. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
On 10/14/2011 06:57 PM, Pete wrote: * * * From Wikipedia:* * * *Ricotta* (Italian pronunciation: [riˈkɔtta]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_Italian) is an Italian dairy producthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_product made from sheep (or cow, goat, buffalo) milk whey left over from the production of cheese. Although typically referred to as ricotta cheese, ricotta is not properly a cheese because it is not produced by coagulation of caseinhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casein. Rather it is made by coagulating other milk proteins, notably albuminhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albumin and globulinhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globulin, left over in the whey that separates from the milk during the production of cheese. In fact, ricotta is safely eaten by individuals with casein intolerance. Pete Molly's Revengehttp://www.mollysrevenge.com On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/14/2011 09:02 AM, Pete wrote: OK, OK. How about Ricotta? It's not ch***e. Really? What is it then? This seems similar to the claim that RunRev/Livecode is NOT a programming language. This is like Geetost (Swedish, brown, sweetish tasting stuff - made from goat's milk); it is what, in Scotland at least, is known as a whey cheese; so, it is still cheese. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_cheese#Whey_cheese ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
Having stirred up more controversy than I intended, I will now drop out of this discussion and leave you all to g-rind your teeth at any remaining puns. Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Keith Clarke keith.cla...@clarkeandclarke.co.uk wrote: So we need clarification on whether the ban is on the class of coagulant dairy products, the sub-class of curd-based products or specific object instances, such as a nice Stilton! ;-) On 14 October 2011 17:24, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/14/2011 07:01 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Ricotta Ricotta Ricotta!! HAH HAH! I said it and you can't make me stop!! ;-) Whey to Go! On Oct 14, 2011, at 8:57 AM, Pete wrote: * * * From Wikipedia:* * * *Ricotta* (Italian pronunciation: [riˈkɔtta]http://en.**wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:**IPA_for_Italian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_Italian ) is an Italian dairy producthttp://en.wikipedia. **org/wiki/Dairy_producthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_product made from sheep (or cow, goat, buffalo) milk whey left over from the production of cheese. Although typically referred to as ricotta cheese, ricotta is not properly a cheese because it is not produced by coagulation of caseinhttp://en.wikipedia.**org/wiki/Casein http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casein . Rather it is made by coagulating other milk proteins, notably albuminhttp://en.wikipedia.**org/wiki/Albumin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albumin and globulinhttp://en.wikipedia.**org/wiki/Globulin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globulin, left over in the whey that separates from the milk during the production of cheese. In fact, ricotta is safely eaten by individuals with casein intolerance. Pete Molly's Revengehttp://www.**mollysrevenge.com http://www.mollysrevenge.com On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/14/2011 09:02 AM, Pete wrote: OK, OK. How about Ricotta? It's not ch***e. Really? What is it then? This seems similar to the claim that RunRev/Livecode is NOT a programming language. __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
Richmond- Friday, October 14, 2011, 9:23:44 AM, you wrote: it is what, in Scotland at least, is known as a whey cheese; so, it is still cheese. By that line of reasoning, so is head cheese... -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
And of course, everyone knows that Scotland is the ch***e capital of the world Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: Richmond- Friday, October 14, 2011, 9:23:44 AM, you wrote: it is what, in Scotland at least, is known as a whey cheese; so, it is still cheese. By that line of reasoning, so is head cheese... -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
On Oct 11, 2011, at 8:58 PM, Admin ad...@mfelkerco.com wrote: snip. To say I was let down is an understatement. I lost my primary mode of income because the web deployment module, which supposedly worked, ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY DID NOT WORK. Wow. Betting your primary source of income on a new rev browser plugin technology where it is pretty easy to vet the facts: A) Plugins for browsers are, er.. NOT a great way to deploy software. Just search this list for rev plugin-- there's tons of information why this is true AND.. B) Further searches should tell you the rev plugin is and always has been a bit sketchy at best. Maybe it's just our company, but when we architect an app for clients, be it LC, Flex, .NET, HTML5 or any new framework, we spend the necessary upfront time researching (most importantly) what it CAN'T do. Frequently we build test bed mockups just to be sure. I'm sure it's a hard lesson learned, but I would assume not one you will be forgetting soon. And YOU ARE CORRECT. RunRev should NOT publish a half-complete product unless they call it beta software. The fact is, with LC, some things are much more finished and polished than other things. Unfortunately for you, the one you chose is fairly rough. I believe UNICODE has been on the coming next list (along with a new improved field object) for the last 5+ years. Most of us who have been around for quite a while know the sweet spots, and the potholes, so many times it's no big deal to us when Unicode misses another upgrade revision. We weren't counting on it. Unfortunately, you had no such forewarning or knowledge of this. Still, RunRev is a VERY small company. They have brilliant programmers and Kevin Miller has done an almost perfect job steering the ship through the channel already littered with dead xTalk efforts. Perhaps they are now in a growth spurt, taking on just a bit more than they can handle-- hurrying to play catchup with the huge number of features and APIs the hundreds of programmers at Apple, and thousands of programmers at Microsoft and Google, not to mention the Andre's, Richmond's, and Gaskin's relentless pursuit of feature parity for Red Ubuntu Hat. Oh, and the severe competition of multiple other RAD tools out there might also factor into some of the catchup going on. I'm not making apologies for them, but I do know of a few other products who are faring worse. So, add it all up, and it shows LC to be a company who is always changing, always pissing someone off, always righting the ship and shipping a new build, and-- always listening. Still, it is a company with flaws, just like any other. My suggestion: do your homework and you won't be so sorely disappointed. There are many here who will steer you correctly. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
I think it was cool that Runrev listened to us on the list, many DEMANDED a plugin, stating that it was the 'Holy Grail' of web development. So they MADE ONE. I was impressed. They 'matched' the browser document model with a Rev card/stack. Wow. Regardless of the fact that I put off touching javascript at for a while, I realized with all the trouble I'd seen making the plugin work in 'all browsers', that an approach that used either a server-based solution with html and javascript, or a thin client using Livecode desktop, or a player approach that started up stacks that live online would be a more consistent user and developer experience. I think it was in the middle of the plug-in period that Runrev changed focus and started their quest for the iPhone project. Judging by the quantity of posts about phones, I'd say it was a pretty good decision. On 12 October 2011 23:59, Chipp Walters ch...@altuit.com wrote: On Oct 11, 2011, at 8:58 PM, Admin ad...@mfelkerco.com wrote: snip. To say I was let down is an understatement. I lost my primary mode of income because the web deployment module, which supposedly worked, ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY DID NOT WORK. Wow. Betting your primary source of income on a new rev browser plugin technology where it is pretty easy to vet the facts: A) Plugins for browsers are, er.. NOT a great way to deploy software. Just search this list for rev plugin-- there's tons of information why this is true AND.. B) Further searches should tell you the rev plugin is and always has been a bit sketchy at best. Maybe it's just our company, but when we architect an app for clients, be it LC, Flex, .NET, HTML5 or any new framework, we spend the necessary upfront time researching (most importantly) what it CAN'T do. Frequently we build test bed mockups just to be sure. I'm sure it's a hard lesson learned, but I would assume not one you will be forgetting soon. And YOU ARE CORRECT. RunRev should NOT publish a half-complete product unless they call it beta software. The fact is, with LC, some things are much more finished and polished than other things. Unfortunately for you, the one you chose is fairly rough. I believe UNICODE has been on the coming next list (along with a new improved field object) for the last 5+ years. Most of us who have been around for quite a while know the sweet spots, and the potholes, so many times it's no big deal to us when Unicode misses another upgrade revision. We weren't counting on it. Unfortunately, you had no such forewarning or knowledge of this. Still, RunRev is a VERY small company. They have brilliant programmers and Kevin Miller has done an almost perfect job steering the ship through the channel already littered with dead xTalk efforts. Perhaps they are now in a growth spurt, taking on just a bit more than they can handle-- hurrying to play catchup with the huge number of features and APIs the hundreds of programmers at Apple, and thousands of programmers at Microsoft and Google, not to mention the Andre's, Richmond's, and Gaskin's relentless pursuit of feature parity for Red Ubuntu Hat. Oh, and the severe competition of multiple other RAD tools out there might also factor into some of the catchup going on. I'm not making apologies for them, but I do know of a few other products who are faring worse. So, add it all up, and it shows LC to be a company who is always changing, always pissing someone off, always righting the ship and shipping a new build, and-- always listening. Still, it is a company with flaws, just like any other. My suggestion: do your homework and you won't be so sorely disappointed. There are many here who will steer you correctly. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
A search in the Gmane list archives suggests that this started in January 2003 with a message from the listMom, Heather Nagy: Dear list members, Let us start the New Year with a reminder of the mission statement for this list: We are here to discuss Revolution, and help each other along the road of programming in Revolution, swap tips, solve problems, offer information and ask questions about using Revolution. Politics, religion and cheese are all off topic This started off intermittent jokes mentioning cheese and then apologizing for being off-topic (Sorry, Heather...). -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig How can you govern a country where there are over 300 kinds of cheese? -- Charles de Gaulle (Sorry, Heather) On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:16 AM, Pete wrote: OK, now I know this is probably going to resurrect some painful memories but I haven't been a member of this group for long enough to understand the reason behind the forbidden word that begins with ch. I mean, ch is pretty tasty and quite nutritious in my experience Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Peter M. Brigham, MD pmb...@gmail.comwrote: On Oct 12, 2011, at 5:45 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: So far as I know, beef is not on the list of banned topics. Cheese however... Uh-oh, you mentioned beef and cheese in the same email -- now that's not kosher -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
On 10/13/11 8:00 AM, Peter M. Brigham, MD wrote: A search in the Gmane list archives suggests that this started in January 2003 with a message from the listMom, Heather Nagy: It goes farther back than that, but I'm not sure by how much. Someone mentioned ch**se, it started a stream of responses that went on for weeks, generated hundreds or thousands of messages which debated the superiority of one type of ch**se over another, the countries that make the best ch**se, why one country's product is inferior to another, what each type was best for, who like which type, who hates which type and why, etc. etc. After perhaps a thousand messages, the topic was banned. Since then it's beome the catch-all word here for just about any subject that could incite controversy and is off topic. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
On 10/13/2011 08:34 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 10/13/11 8:00 AM, Peter M. Brigham, MD wrote: A search in the Gmane list archives suggests that this started in January 2003 with a message from the listMom, Heather Nagy: It goes farther back than that, but I'm not sure by how much. Someone mentioned ch**se, it started a stream of responses that went on for weeks, generated hundreds or thousands of messages which debated the superiority of one type of ch**se over another, the countries that make the best ch**se, why one country's product is inferior to another, what each type was best for, who like which type, who hates which type and why, etc. etc. After perhaps a thousand messages, the topic was banned. Since then it's beome the catch-all word here for just about any subject that could incite controversy and is off topic. Hey, that's really fascinating; how about a thousand message thread on ch**se; we could try and break the world record for the longest thread on a Use-List Pass the Camembert. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
Le 13 oct. 2011 à 19:54, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : Pass the Camembert. YES and... le Livarot, le Pont-l'évêque, le Morbier, le Neufchâtel, Le Comté, le Maroil, le Beaufort, le Brie, le Boursin, le Crotin de Chavignoles, le Bleu d'Auvergne, le Bleu de Bresse, la Brousse, le Chaumes, le Cantal, le Chabichou, l'Epoisses, la Tomme des Bauges, le Munster, le Reblochon, le Petit René... and so on http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_de_fromages_français You understand now why cheese is OT ? ;-) Bon souvenir de Paris et particulièrement pour Richmond ! ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
I'm sooo tempted to list all Dutch cheeses! -- Kind regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Http://economy-x-talk.com Share the clipboard of your computer over a local network with Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com Op 13 okt. 2011 om 20:46 heeft René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com het volgende geschreven: YES and... le Livarot, le Pont-l'évêque, le Morbier, le Neufchâtel, Le Comté, le Maroil, le Beaufort, le Brie, le Boursin, le Crotin de Chavignoles, le Bleu d'Auvergne, le Bleu de Bresse, la Brousse, le Chaumes, le Cantal, le Chabichou, l'Epoisses, la Tomme des Bauges, le Munster, le Reblochon, le Petit René... and so on http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_de_fromages_français You understand now why cheese is OT ? ;-) Bon souvenir de Paris et particulièrement pour Richmond ! ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
On 10/13/2011 09:46 PM, René Micout wrote: Le 13 oct. 2011 à 19:54, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : Pass the Camembert. YES and... le Livarot, le Pont-l'évêque, le Morbier, le Neufchâtel, Le Comté, le Maroil, le Beaufort, le Brie, le Boursin, le Crotin de Chavignoles, le Bleu d'Auvergne, le Bleu de Bresse, la Brousse, le Chaumes, le Cantal, le Chabichou, l'Epoisses, la Tomme des Bauges, le Munster, le Reblochon, le Petit René... and so on http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_de_fromages_français You understand now why cheese is OT ? ;-) Bon souvenir de Paris et particulièrement pour Richmond ! J'aime beaucoup crot du diable (excusez-moi, sans un accent circonflex)! ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
On 10/13/2011 09:53 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: I'm sooo tempted to list all Dutch cheeses! A very, very great disappointment to me that we cannot buy Nagel Kaas here in Bulgaria. -- Kind regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Http://economy-x-talk.com Share the clipboard of your computer over a local network with Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com Op 13 okt. 2011 om 20:46 heeft René Micoutrene.mic...@numericable.com het volgende geschreven: YES and... le Livarot, le Pont-l'évêque, le Morbier, le Neufchâtel, Le Comté, le Maroil, le Beaufort, le Brie, le Boursin, le Crotin de Chavignoles, le Bleu d'Auvergne, le Bleu de Bresse, la Brousse, le Chaumes, le Cantal, le Chabichou, l'Epoisses, la Tomme des Bauges, le Munster, le Reblochon, le Petit René... and so on http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_de_fromages_français You understand now why cheese is OT ? ;-) Bon souvenir de Paris et particulièrement pour Richmond ! ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/13/2011 09:53 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: I'm sooo tempted to list all Dutch cheeses! A very, very great disappointment to me that we cannot buy Nagel Kaas here in Bulgaria. try getting french cheese here in Brazil. It will cost you a kidney and an arm. Dutch cheese, no way! Heck, I almost cried when I found cheddar, real cheddar, here for the first time in 15 years. Brazilians think that cheddar is that processed stuff that macdonalds puts on sandwich. It gets worse, people here sell something called Dressing type cheddar (I am not joking) which is not really made of milk but of something that is grown and is not eaten by a cow. but on the other hand, Brazilian Minas Cheese ROCKS!!! -- Kind regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Http://economy-x-talk.com Share the clipboard of your computer over a local network with Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-**x-talk.comhttp://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com Op 13 okt. 2011 om 20:46 heeft René Micoutrene.micout@**numericable.comrene.mic...@numericable.com het volgende geschreven: YES and... le Livarot, le Pont-l'évêque, le Morbier, le Neufchâtel, Le Comté, le Maroil, le Beaufort, le Brie, le Boursin, le Crotin de Chavignoles, le Bleu d'Auvergne, le Bleu de Bresse, la Brousse, le Chaumes, le Cantal, le Chabichou, l'Epoisses, la Tomme des Bauges, le Munster, le Reblochon, le Petit René... and so on http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/** Liste_de_fromages_françaishttp://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_de_fromages_fran%C3%A7ais You understand now why cheese is OT ? ;-) Bon souvenir de Paris et particulièrement pour Richmond ! __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code. http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
As Oscar Wilde said: life imitates art. Surely no-one intended the interminable thread to mimic the Cheese Shop sketch from Monty Python? It seems like ideas just settle down into our sub-conscious, and we can't help but act them out (over and over again). Bernard On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.com wrote: but on the other hand, Brazilian Minas Cheese ROCKS!!! ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
Oh dear! My innocent question seems to have resurrected the banned discussion. Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Bernard Devlin bdrun...@gmail.com wrote: As Oscar Wilde said: life imitates art. Surely no-one intended the interminable thread to mimic the Cheese Shop sketch from Monty Python? It seems like ideas just settle down into our sub-conscious, and we can't help but act them out (over and over again). Bernard On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.com wrote: but on the other hand, Brazilian Minas Cheese ROCKS!!! ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
...isn't that always the whey! On 13 Oct 2011, at 21:41, Pete wrote: Oh dear! My innocent question seems to have resurrected the banned discussion. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
I recognize that pun, from ages ago. On Oct 13, 2011, at 4:53 PM, Keith Clarke wrote: ...isn't that always the whey! ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
Help! Heather? Time, again, to ban imports of cheese. Paul Looney On Oct 13, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/13/2011 09:53 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: I'm sooo tempted to list all Dutch cheeses! A very, very great disappointment to me that we cannot buy Nagel Kaas here in Bulgaria. try getting french cheese here in Brazil. It will cost you a kidney and an arm. Dutch cheese, no way! Heck, I almost cried when I found cheddar, real cheddar, here for the first time in 15 years. Brazilians think that cheddar is that processed stuff that macdonalds puts on sandwich. It gets worse, people here sell something called Dressing type cheddar (I am not joking) which is not really made of milk but of something that is grown and is not eaten by a cow. but on the other hand, Brazilian Minas Cheese ROCKS!!! -- Kind regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Http://economy-x-talk.com Share the clipboard of your computer over a local network with Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-**x-talk.comhttp://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com Op 13 okt. 2011 om 20:46 heeft René Micoutrene.micout@**numericable.comrene.mic...@numericable.com het volgende geschreven: YES and... le Livarot, le Pont-l'évêque, le Morbier, le Neufchâtel, Le Comté, le Maroil, le Beaufort, le Brie, le Boursin, le Crotin de Chavignoles, le Bleu d'Auvergne, le Bleu de Bresse, la Brousse, le Chaumes, le Cantal, le Chabichou, l'Epoisses, la Tomme des Bauges, le Munster, le Reblochon, le Petit René... and so on http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/** Liste_de_fromages_françaishttp://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_de_fromages_fran%C3%A7ais You understand now why cheese is OT ? ;-) Bon souvenir de Paris et particulièrement pour Richmond ! __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code. http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
On 10/12/2011 08:50 AM, Pete wrote: I think RR faces the problem that it is a lot of different things to a lot of different people. Look at the breadth of the subject matter on this discussion group to see how many disparate things are covered. I personally don't care about any of the enhancements in the new release and I do wish that more attention would be paid to Android and web but I'm sure there are many other folks who don't care about those platforms and are happy to see the 5.0 enhancements. There was a discussion on the realbasic functionality a while back (it kind of petered out), whose recent web tool caused a flurry of interest. They don;t have a mobile dev capability - yet Pete Molly's Revengehttp://www.mollysrevenge.com I got slagged-off by suggesting that, maybe, RunRev was spreading itself too thin a while back. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
I was fairly unimpressed with what turned out to be the big 5.0. Seems not a whole lot has changed besides RevServer since 4.0. I think I'll wait for 6.0 or 7.0. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/So-RunRev-wants-more-of-my-money-what-has-been-fixed-tp3896596p3896986.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
Personally I'm angry that as an iOS-only developer I have to pay for the development of features that only those other pesky platforms like Mac, Windows and Linux can use :) Gerry -- photos: http://gerryorkin.com On Wednesday, 12 October 2011 at 5:44 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: I was fairly unimpressed with what turned out to be the big 5.0. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
Yep dissapointed, It's a big issue jump from release 4.6.4 to the big 5! Most of the changes seem to be for the IOS platform or at least driven by their requirements (faster graphics for games). Their are still a lot of us out there who's income stream is from the desktop and office environment... what's new for us? Most of my clients are not interested in mobile apps... they work in an office! sure they and I can see that the mobile and tablet market is big, growing and quite exiting but it's not what they are interested in and not why I changed from Delphi to RunRev/LiveCode development, it was and is the speed of development for Windows and Mac and the promise of a web plugin to allow porting easily to the web. Speed of development is still great.. nothing beats it..yet! The web plugin seems to have been left behind and I suspect (unless anyone knows differently) will be abandoned in favour of the mobile/tablet route, especially as IE have indicated that the new IE will have a zero plugin architecture? Now don't get me wrong, I still think LiveCode is a great product and will not be abandoning it but, please can we have a more level playing field with update platform targeting and a roadmap for V5 would be appreciated. - Andy Piddock My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker / finder. http://www.pointandsee.co.uk - made with LiveCode (v1.4.1 released 26/08/2011) -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/So-RunRev-wants-more-of-my-money-what-has-been-fixed-tp3896596p3897049.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:14 AM, Roger Eller wrote: You are not alone in your disappointment regarding Android, Linux, 64-bit, web player. Every release has stated no changes in the release notes for Android. Why even bother to have release notes for anything but iOS? Kevin said a few weeks ago that feature parity would happen blingingly fast, and I am still waiting to see the bright light. I haven't lost all hope yet, and I've been using HyperCard, MetaCard, Revolution, and now LiveCode for 20 years, so I really do love the language. But... What else can we do? We wait, or we learn another tool. The waiting is getting old. ˜Roger Oops. I meant (feature parity would happen blindingly fast). It's hard to type through the tears of being left behind. ;-p ˜Roger ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
Gerry - that's funny and makes your point as I wonder why bother with IOS and android and web deployment when all I want is database access to work better and better and, of course, specifically the database I use (Valentina of course). Easier making of stand-alones with the windows and MacOS differences handled transparently would be nice too. I think it's amazing that LiveCode can do so many disparate things well. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:56 AM, Gerry gerry.or...@gmail.com wrote: Personally I'm angry that as an iOS-only developer I have to pay for the development of features that only those other pesky platforms like Mac, Windows and Linux can use :) Gerry ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
On 10/11/11 11:14 PM, Roger Eller wrote: Every release has stated no changes in the release notes for Android. Why even bother to have release notes for anything but iOS? The 5.0 release notes list a number of changes for Android (there are several sections on changes, make sure you read them all.) Remember that most of the changes in 5.0 deal with the new engine redraw architecture, and those do apply to Android in parity with iOS (but you need to read the main release notes to see that.) The new engine works great on Android and I can attest that it makes an amazing difference. Also, visual effects are now functional, stability and memory management has been markedly improved, redraw and background pattern issues have been addressed, orientation is better supported, graphic effects (shadows, etc) now work. These are all in parity with iOS. There is more to follow soon. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
I liked blingingly fast better. I thought you were coining a new phrase! It's not just BLINDingly fast, it's BLINGingly fast!!! Bob On Oct 12, 2011, at 5:00 AM, Roger Eller wrote: Oops. I meant (feature parity would happen blindingly fast). It's hard to type through the tears of being left behind. ;-p ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
Well I have to say that Runrev's track record of improving things (eventually) is quite good. They have addressed many if not most of the major concerns of the developers (and by major I mean a LOT of people want and need the changes) as well as addressing some of the minor changes (linux) when they can. Given the staff they have, I find this nothing short of exceptional. Keep up the good work Runrev! Bob ps. Richmond, please don't chastise me for calling Linux support minor. You know I get depressed when you get mad at me. ;-) On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:28 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 10/11/11 11:14 PM, Roger Eller wrote: Every release has stated no changes in the release notes for Android. Why even bother to have release notes for anything but iOS? The 5.0 release notes list a number of changes for Android (there are several sections on changes, make sure you read them all.) Remember that most of the changes in 5.0 deal with the new engine redraw architecture, and those do apply to Android in parity with iOS (but you need to read the main release notes to see that.) The new engine works great on Android and I can attest that it makes an amazing difference. Also, visual effects are now functional, stability and memory management has been markedly improved, redraw and background pattern issues have been addressed, orientation is better supported, graphic effects (shadows, etc) now work. These are all in parity with iOS. There is more to follow soon. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
On 10/12/2011 07:44 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: I liked blingingly fast better. I thought you were coining a new phrase! It's not just BLINDingly fast, it's BLINGingly fast!!! It does have a certain resonance . . . Possibly blingingly fast could be taken to mean so fast that it impresses one so much that one's critical faculties are temporarily disabled so that one overlooks other shortcomings. Bob On Oct 12, 2011, at 5:00 AM, Roger Eller wrote: Oops. I meant (feature parity would happen blindingly fast). It's hard to type through the tears of being left behind. ;-p ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: On 10/12/2011 07:44 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: I liked blingingly fast better. I thought you were coining a new phrase! It's not just BLINDingly fast, it's BLINGingly fast!!! It does have a certain resonance . . . Possibly blingingly fast could be taken to mean so fast that it impresses one so much that one's critical faculties are temporarily disabled so that one overlooks other shortcomings. Bob On Oct 12, 2011, at 5:00 AM, Roger Eller wrote: Oops. I meant (feature parity would happen blindingly fast). It's hard to type through the tears of being left behind. ;-p WOW! Richmond, you have captured the essence of this new 'marketing slogan' perfectly! RunRev should use it to describe the new graphics architecture in 5.0. All jokes and slaps aside, I do appreciate the team and their commitment to the overall product. I know they will eventually get the features that I and others want and need on Android, and maybe Linux too. ~Roger ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
On 10/12/2011 07:49 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Well I have to say that Runrev's track record of improving things (eventually) is quite good. They have addressed many if not most of the major concerns of the developers (and by major I mean a LOT of people want and need the changes) as well as addressing some of the minor changes (linux) when they can. Given the staff they have, I find this nothing short of exceptional. Keep up the good work Runrev! Bob ps. Richmond, please don't chastise me for calling Linux support minor. You know I get depressed when you get mad at me. ;-) I love you too . . . :) On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:28 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 10/11/11 11:14 PM, Roger Eller wrote: Every release has stated no changes in the release notes for Android. Why even bother to have release notes for anything but iOS? The 5.0 release notes list a number of changes for Android (there are several sections on changes, make sure you read them all.) Remember that most of the changes in 5.0 deal with the new engine redraw architecture, and those do apply to Android in parity with iOS (but you need to read the main release notes to see that.) The new engine works great on Android and I can attest that it makes an amazing difference. Also, visual effects are now functional, stability and memory management has been markedly improved, redraw and background pattern issues have been addressed, orientation is better supported, graphic effects (shadows, etc) now work. These are all in parity with iOS. There is more to follow soon. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
Bob Sneidar wrote: Well I have to say that Runrev's track record of improving things (eventually) is quite good. I would have to agree. I can sympathize with the OP's feelings, but here in my own office I've been buying software long enough that I have a policy: I only pay for what I can use in my hands right now. If a feature I need will be available tomorrow, I'm quite happy to wait until tomorrow to buy it. I have plenty of other things to keep me busy in the meantime, and there are many ways to satisfy any development need. Whenever a LiveCode product does what you need, it's almost always the highest-ROI option you'll find. But when it doesn't quite yet, you're still no worse off than the millions of developers using something else. I see LiveCode as a sort of secret weapon for rapid development. If I can't deploy it in a particular engagement, I still have everything else in my arsenal available to me in the meantime, and even then I only need to draw on those when a project requires that we not wait. And when it does what I need, it delivers in spades. ps. Richmond, please don't chastise me for calling Linux support minor. RunRev has done an admirable job of enhancing its Linux engine, and I can understand the current irony of that engine not having feature parity with the other desktop editions while costing twice as much. Linux development at RunRev is a limited priority for them, and while I may prefer it otherwise at least the reasons are understandable. The state of the LiveCode Linux engine allows me to do most of what I need there, and for the rest it's been a source of inspiration: I've begun looking into Python and Quickly. ;) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
There is a complication with LiveCode, in that you're paying for a year of updates. So, if a new version does something you would find useful, that isn't in the version you own, and it was implied that within a year there would be an upgrade that did some things that are vital to you, you might be tempted to buy now. With normal software upgrades it's more straightforward, you know when you upgrade that you're not paying for the next version's upgrade. With LiveCode you are (if that upgrade is within a year), so there is a certain amount of gambling you have to do. On Oct 12, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: If a feature I need will be available tomorrow, I'm quite happy to wait until tomorrow to buy it. I have plenty of other things to keep me busy in the meantime, and there are many ways to satisfy any development need. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
I was just told it's 3 months of updates, then there are minor and major upgrade charges outside of that 3-month window. Where did you see 1 year? Or are you referring to the Complete subscription product? On 10/12/2011 11:17 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: There is a complication with LiveCode, in that you're paying for a year of updates. -- David Glass - Gray Matter Computing graymattercomputing.com Help Desk: http://www.graymattercomputing.com/helpdesk 559-303-4915 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
Hi, You're not obliged to buy the subscription. You can just buy those components that are important to you, when you need them. Download a trial copy, test it, and don't buy an upgrade if you don't like it. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 See what you get with only a small contribution. All our LiveCode downloads are listed at http://qery.us/zr On 12 okt 2011, at 20:17, Colin Holgate wrote: There is a complication with LiveCode, in that you're paying for a year of updates. So, if a new version does something you would find useful, that isn't in the version you own, and it was implied that within a year there would be an upgrade that did some things that are vital to you, you might be tempted to buy now. With normal software upgrades it's more straightforward, you know when you upgrade that you're not paying for the next version's upgrade. With LiveCode you are (if that upgrade is within a year), so there is a certain amount of gambling you have to do. On Oct 12, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: If a feature I need will be available tomorrow, I'm quite happy to wait until tomorrow to buy it. I have plenty of other things to keep me busy in the meantime, and there are many ways to satisfy any development need. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On 10/12/11 1:11 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: My current beef (sorry about that word to those on the RunRev list who eschew cow meat) with RunRev is with somebody's appalling English grammar and logic; Seems to be common in our field. Someone gave me this tee shirt: http://www.tshirts.in/xtees/mens-tshirt_mt00057/i-am-a-programmar-i-write-code-t-shirts.htm -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
RE: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
Look, I could cry all day long about Android and iOS parity, but. The boys and girls at RR have been amazingly responsive to my bug reports and requests. I personally have 2 or 3 bug fixes and a feature request implemented in a time frame that we could only wish for from other SW vendors(Adobe, MS, Apple). I get timely emails back from lead developers. I took a stab at LC and am not sorry. I am now using LC for non-graphic data processing projects. I know that bug fixes and feature improvements can wreak havoc on users if not done correctly. Having written and implemented OSs, programming language compilers and linkers I've been there. Keep the good work up RR! Also, WHERE IS THE GPS FOR THE ANDROID? Just kidding ha ha ha. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
Is there a chance that either Linux isn't increasing, or that it's at the expense of Windows users? Or do the number add up to more than 100%.? See here: http://www.itproportal.com/2011/09/13/mac-sales-increase-about-six-percent-september/ On Oct 12, 2011, at 2:11 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: The only reason I bang on about Linux is that its market share is increasing (mainly at the expense of Mac; almost to the extent where I can imagine Apple giving up computers qua computers and only developing tablets and smart-phones in the future) ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Colin wrote: Is there a chance that either Linux isn't increasing, or that it's at the expense of Windows users? Or do the number add up to more than 100%.? See here: http://www.itproportal.com/2011/09/13/mac-sales-increase-about-six-percent-september/ Definitely coming from Windows, which has been in slow but steady decline for the last several years (once so large that even now it's still at more than 82%). Remember, *next year* will be the year of Linux on the desktop. That's always been the case, for the last 20 years. ;) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
RE: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
It's interesting reading through this thead that (mostly) Linux coders want more, IOS and Android coders want more and Windows and Mac coders want more. So what's happening here? Are we naturally greedy? - No I don't think so...well maybe a little. Are our expectations too high? - Prehaps... but why? I think LiveCode is such a great and productive product that it's easy to get carried away with it's capabilities. By this I mean that as it's pretty easy and quick to turn ones ideas into code and then into a workable product, but when one hits a perceived /brick wall/ it's also very easy to blame LiveCode for not delivering the goods! Re reading my previous post, this is what I think I'm guilty of. What new or improved features do I need (want?) ? ..Not many as it happens. A better more intuitive datagrid where I can drag the object onto a card (as now) and bind this to a datasource via the property inspector for the datagrid and then set up and configure the properties for the datagrid also via the property inspector rather than in code. Now I know a lot of people love the datagrid just as it is and have done gret things with it, but I have allways found it cumbersome compared to other datagrids in other products. A tab panel where one can place the tab control, select a tab and then just drop controls, then move to the next tab and drop controls, each change of tab displays the controls previously dropped instad of having to use groups and cards to haold the controls for each tab. Practically..no all other development tools I have used take this obviuos and simple approach, why not LiveCode? Now I'm sure there will be a fair amount of flak for my wants but it's a personal view and is not meant or intended to offend.. it's just what I would like to see changed. - Andy Piddock My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker / finder. http://www.pointandsee.co.uk - made with LiveCode (v1.4.1 released 26/08/2011) -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/So-RunRev-wants-more-of-my-money-what-has-been-fixed-tp3896596p3899520.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
So far as I know, beef is not on the list of banned topics. Cheese however... Bob On Oct 12, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: My current beef (sorry about that word to those on the RunRev list who eschew cow meat) ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On Oct 12, 2011, at 5:45 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: So far as I know, beef is not on the list of banned topics. Cheese however... Uh-oh, you mentioned beef and cheese in the same email -- now that's not kosher -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
OK, now I know this is probably going to resurrect some painful memories but I haven't been a member of this group for long enough to understand the reason behind the forbidden word that begins with ch. I mean, ch is pretty tasty and quite nutritious in my experience Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Peter M. Brigham, MD pmb...@gmail.comwrote: On Oct 12, 2011, at 5:45 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: So far as I know, beef is not on the list of banned topics. Cheese however... Uh-oh, you mentioned beef and cheese in the same email -- now that's not kosher -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
OK. So now they added a bit of graphics power and updated IOS a bit. Now they want hundreds more of my money. Has Android progressed at all? I mean, really, at all? Now I have to spend tons of money to get what I already paid for that has not worked yet fully? Has web been fixed at all? No, of course not. Will it ever? Will I actually receive a working copy of web deployment without spending hundreds more? It sounds like I will HAVE TO upgrade to 5.0 if they ever do come out with these fixes. Really. I bought into Live Code with the promise of cross-development. So far, I have lost a major client due to cross-deployment not working AT ALL on what I consider a simple database program. I will not spend any more money on LiveCode until these things have been addressed. What sucks is, I really like LiveCode. I waited for a long time to buy it and then a good deal (and some money in my pocket) presented itself. To say I was let down is an understatement. I lost my primary mode of income because the web deployment module, which supposedly worked, ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY DID NOT WORK. I feel screwed - and now, like so many other companies, they want more money for a new version without fixing or finishing the previous version problems and promises. Nope. Not going to do it. Fact is, I bought Rad PHP EX2 from Embarcadero for $300 and it can deploy to almost anything because it compiles to AJAX, Air, Flex and HTML5 - and it is very graphically oriented and OOP. Granted, if I wanted to purchase Delphi or their version of the complete coding collection, it would cost in the thousands. However, I feel Rad PHP is enough to get done what I wanted to do in LiveCode. It sucks, because I was beginning to really 'get' LiveCode, and I was really enjoying learning it, but I am officially done. Some will say I did not give LiveCode a chance. However, I lost a client because web deployment was broken - a very big client that was paying me very good money for creating their database systems. I went from PHP and MySQL to LiveCode because of the lure of cross deployment. It was a serious mistake and the damage is done. Now 5.0 is released and I see no progress AT ALL to Android and Web - the two reasons I went with Live Code. Does anyone else feel the same way or am I alone feeling like this? Are you all really ok with doling out cash because a new version a 3 or 4 features have been added. I would change my tune if a long list of fixes - specifically to Android and Web - were also presented. TBH, it is STUPID of RunRev to offer a deployment option that is broken - without any ETA of a fix or working version. Very said indeed. Mike ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So RunRev wants more of my money- what has been fixed?
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Admin ad...@mfelkerco.com wrote: OK. So now they added a bit of graphics power and updated IOS a bit. Now they want hundreds more of my money. Has Android progressed at all? I mean, really, at all? Now I have to spend tons of money to get what I already paid for that has not worked yet fully? Has web been fixed at all? No, of course not. Will it ever? Will I actually receive a working copy of web deployment without spending hundreds more? It sounds like I will HAVE TO upgrade to 5.0 if they ever do come out with these fixes. Really. I bought into Live Code with the promise of cross-development. So far, I have lost a major client due to cross-deployment not working AT ALL on what I consider a simple database program. I will not spend any more money on LiveCode until these things have been addressed. What sucks is, I really like LiveCode. I waited for a long time to buy it and then a good deal (and some money in my pocket) presented itself. To say I was let down is an understatement. I lost my primary mode of income because the web deployment module, which supposedly worked, ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY DID NOT WORK. I feel screwed - and now, like so many other companies, they want more money for a new version without fixing or finishing the previous version problems and promises. Nope. Not going to do it. Fact is, I bought Rad PHP EX2 from Embarcadero for $300 and it can deploy to almost anything because it compiles to AJAX, Air, Flex and HTML5 - and it is very graphically oriented and OOP. Granted, if I wanted to purchase Delphi or their version of the complete coding collection, it would cost in the thousands. However, I feel Rad PHP is enough to get done what I wanted to do in LiveCode. It sucks, because I was beginning to really 'get' LiveCode, and I was really enjoying learning it, but I am officially done. Some will say I did not give LiveCode a chance. However, I lost a client because web deployment was broken - a very big client that was paying me very good money for creating their database systems. I went from PHP and MySQL to LiveCode because of the lure of cross deployment. It was a serious mistake and the damage is done. Now 5.0 is released and I see no progress AT ALL to Android and Web - the two reasons I went with Live Code. Does anyone else feel the same way or am I alone feeling like this? Are you all really ok with doling out cash because a new version a 3 or 4 features have been added. I would change my tune if a long list of fixes - specifically to Android and Web - were also presented. TBH, it is STUPID of RunRev to offer a deployment option that is broken - without any ETA of a fix or working version. Very said indeed. Mike You are not alone in your disappointment regarding Android, Linux, 64-bit, web player. Every release has stated no changes in the release notes for Android. Why even bother to have release notes for anything but iOS? Kevin said a few weeks ago that feature parity would happen blingingly fast, and I am still waiting to see the bright light. I haven't lost all hope yet, and I've been using HyperCard, MetaCard, Revolution, and now LiveCode for 20 years, so I really do love the language. But... What else can we do? We wait, or we learn another tool. The waiting is getting old. ˜Roger ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
