Re: Will it ever be possible place controls over browser widget?

[hh via use-livecode]

> Tom G. wrote:
> ...just out of curiosityis it just on my system ? or the right click
> grab of the widget doesn't work?

Sorry, I wrote this while updating my TextEdit widget (which will allow to
grab the widget). But the browser widget doesn't pass "mouseDown", so the
mouseDown handler here is not usable.
But you could use, for example, the "ControlHandles" approach for dragging
(see "Sample Stacks").

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Re: Will it ever be possible place controls over browser widget?

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

excellent demo  thank you..just out of curiosityis it just on
my system ? or the right click grab of the widget doesn'twork?

On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 8:51 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode <
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> Hermann:
> You are sooo DARN CREATIVE! I’m awed.
> Bill
>
> > On Oct 28, 2018, at 10:54 AM, hh via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > We already know that this is not possible by "ordinary" controls
> > because the browser widget has a native layer.
> > (Except we"bundle" your controls in a floating window.)
> >
> > But there is one way more (I use it for updating my Textedit
> > widget).
> >
> > Of course you can overlay a browser widget with a browser widget:
> >
> > Make using HTML/CSS a "Bar" (containing buttons etc.).
> > The HTML/CSS of that is pretty simple and changeable without deep
> > knowledge of HTML or CSS.
> > You get a clickCallback via a javaScriptHandler and can simply use
> > the scripts of your LCS objects from that javaScriptHandler.
> >
> > I made a simple example stack with 6 rounded buttons here, may be
> > I'll update it from time to time:
> >
> > http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=172729#p172729
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Re: Will it ever be possible place controls over browser widget?

[William Prothero via use-livecode]

Hermann:
You are sooo DARN CREATIVE! I’m awed.
Bill

> On Oct 28, 2018, at 10:54 AM, hh via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> We already know that this is not possible by "ordinary" controls
> because the browser widget has a native layer.
> (Except we"bundle" your controls in a floating window.)
> 
> But there is one way more (I use it for updating my Textedit
> widget).
> 
> Of course you can overlay a browser widget with a browser widget:
> 
> Make using HTML/CSS a "Bar" (containing buttons etc.).
> The HTML/CSS of that is pretty simple and changeable without deep
> knowledge of HTML or CSS.
> You get a clickCallback via a javaScriptHandler and can simply use
> the scripts of your LCS objects from that javaScriptHandler.
> 
> I made a simple example stack with 6 rounded buttons here, may be
> I'll update it from time to time:
> 
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=172729#p172729
> 
> 
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Re: Will it ever be possible place controls over browser widget?

[hh via use-livecode]

We already know that this is not possible by "ordinary" controls
because the browser widget has a native layer.
(Except we"bundle" your controls in a floating window.)

But there is one way more (I use it for updating my Textedit
widget).

Of course you can overlay a browser widget with a browser widget:

Make using HTML/CSS a "Bar" (containing buttons etc.).
The HTML/CSS of that is pretty simple and changeable without deep
knowledge of HTML or CSS.
You get a clickCallback via a javaScriptHandler and can simply use
the scripts of your LCS objects from that javaScriptHandler.

I made a simple example stack with 6 rounded buttons here, may be
I'll update it from time to time:

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=172729#p172729



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Re: Will it ever be possible place controls over browser widget?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Did that once long ago. Browser object (not widget) overlaid the button. I am 
saying I think the widget is just the browser object wrapped in a widget. 

Bob S


> On Oct 4, 2018, at 15:05 , Brian Milby via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Native layers are drawn above all LC layers regardless of what layer the 
> object is in. This would go for native buttons and other controls as well. An 
> interesting experiment would be to try a native button over the browser 
> widget.


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Re: Will it ever be possible place controls over browser widget?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Nice. I never thought to do that. DOH!

Bob S


> On Oct 5, 2018, at 14:30 , Jim Lambert via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Herman wrote:
>> 
>> See my demo here:
>> 
>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=152773#p152773 
>> 
>> 
>> Overlays the widget while this plays a video.
> 
> So floating a second stack over the browser as I suggested does work and is 
> beautifully demonstrated in Herman’s DemoVideoBack.livecode.zip.
> 
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Re: Will it ever be possible place controls over browser widget?

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

Hi JIm, your suggestion could work but the floating window is quicker and
does the job, thanks for giving it a whirl around.

On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 5:32 PM Jim Lambert via use-livecode <
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>
> > Herman wrote:
> >
> > See my demo here:
> >
> > http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=152773#p152773 <
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=152773#p152773>
> >
> > Overlays the widget while this plays a video.
>
> So floating a second stack over the browser as I suggested does work and
> is beautifully demonstrated in Herman’s DemoVideoBack.livecode.zip.
>
> Jim Lambert
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Re: Will it ever be possible place controls over browser widget?

[Jim Lambert via use-livecode]

> Herman wrote:
> 
> See my demo here:
> 
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=152773#p152773 
> 
> 
> Overlays the widget while this plays a video.

So floating a second stack over the browser as I suggested does work and is 
beautifully demonstrated in Herman’s DemoVideoBack.livecode.zip.

Jim Lambert

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Re: Will it ever be possible place controls over browser widget?

[Jim Lambert via use-livecode]

> Herman wrote:
> 
> See my demo here:
> 
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=152773#p152773 
> 
> 
> Overlays the widget while this plays a video.

So floating a second stack over the browser as I suggested does work and is 
beautifully demonstrated in Herman’s DemoVideoBack.livecode.zip.

Jim Lambert
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Re: Will it ever be possible place controls over browser widget?

[Rick Harrison via use-livecode]

Hi Tom,

How about dragging the widget off of the visible screen?
You could create your own interface look for it, or for 
whatever you are trying to do, and have that send 
messages to the offscreen widget to process. Then 
send the results of the widget back to your graphic 
interface?

It might be a good work around for you although it
could be more work.

Just my 2 cent ideas here.

Rick

> On Oct 4, 2018, at 2:04 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Ehh.Does anyone know if it will ever be possible to place controls on
> layers above a browser widget?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tom
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Re: Will it ever be possible place controls over browser widget?

[Brian Milby via use-livecode]

Just tried a native Mac button over the browser widget. Clicks do get received, 
but the button is not drawn over the browser. The Mac native single line field 
will layer over/under the native button fine. And as expected, if you create a 
giant button and cover everything, then it is only responsive where it is not 
covered by a native layer control.

-hh’s demo is the one I was remembering.

Thanks,
Brian
On Oct 4, 2018, 10:06 PM -0400, Tom Glod via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> HH  that is the workaround I was going for.thanks for the
> demoproves my thesis and I feel great about going forward with that
> solution.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 9:47 PM hh via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > > Bob S. wrote:
> > > I suspect all they did was take the old browser object and wrap
> > > it in a widget that it can respond to and send messages.
> >
> > The widget is more than a simple wrapper.
> >
> > It is more comfortable and works (with the right settings) for
> > most use cases too on linux.
> >
> > TMHO, it is one of the strongest tools available in LiveCode.
> > By using JavaScript you have a FFI or, seen from the other side,
> > a wonderful GUI to JavaScript of which others dream of.
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Re: Will it ever be possible place controls over browser widget?

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

HH  that is the workaround I was going for.thanks for the
demoproves my thesis and I feel great about going forward with that
solution.



On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 9:47 PM hh via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> > Bob S. wrote:
> > I suspect all they did was take the old browser object and wrap
> > it in a widget that it can respond to and send messages.
>
> The widget is more than a simple wrapper.
>
> It is more comfortable and works (with the right settings) for
> most use cases too on linux.
>
> TMHO, it is one of the strongest tools available in LiveCode.
> By using JavaScript you have a FFI or, seen from the other side,
> a wonderful GUI to JavaScript of which others dream of.
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Re: Will it ever be possible place controls over browser widget?

[hh via use-livecode]

> Bob S. wrote:
> I suspect all they did was take the old browser object and wrap
> it in a widget that it can respond to and send messages.

The widget is more than a simple wrapper.

It is more comfortable and works (with the right settings) for
most use cases too on linux.

TMHO, it is one of the strongest tools available in LiveCode.
By using JavaScript you have a FFI or, seen from the other side,
a wonderful GUI to JavaScript of which others dream of.

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Re: Will it ever be possible place controls over browser widget?

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See my demo here:

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=152773#p152773

Overlays the widget while this plays a video.

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Re: Will it ever be possible place controls over browser widget?

[Jim Lambert via use-livecode]

> Does anyone know if it will ever be possible to place controls on
> layers above a browser widget?


I don’t know if that is in the works or when it may be available.

But you might be able to kludge it now on desktop:
1- place the control (say, a button) that you want to position within the 
browser’s rect in a separate stack;
2- set the window shape of that stack to match the shape of the button;
3- position that ‘button’ stack on top of the browser widget that is in the 
underlain stack.

I haven’t tried it but it may work.

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Re: Will it ever be possible place controls over browser widget?

[Brian Milby via use-livecode]

Native layers are drawn above all LC layers regardless of what layer the object 
is in. This would go for native buttons and other controls as well. An 
interesting experiment would be to try a native button over the browser widget.

On desktop you can layer over the browser widget using a second stack that has 
transparency set appropriately and sits in front of the browser stack.

Thanks,
Brian
On Oct 4, 2018, 5:45 PM -0400, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> I suspect all they did was take the old browser object and wrap it in a 
> widget that it can respond to and send messages. The old browser was not on a 
> layer per se. (Actually, nothing is, it's all smoke and mirrors). It would 
> write or draw if you will to a rect on the screen, and once it did that, none 
> of the "underlying" objects were accessible until the browser object was 
> cleared.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Oct 4, 2018, at 14:07 , dunbarxx via use-livecode 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > The browser object sits atop everything else, or rather it is "drawn" over
> > everything else...
> >
> > Hmmm.
> >
> > OK,this even though the browser object sits in layer 1, and the overlying
> > button sits in layer 2.
> > So there is a breakdown in the layer paradigm?
> >
> > Messages are prevented from being generated if a browser widget rect
> > encloses the clickLoc in any way. LC "knows" there is a widget there, eh?
> > And reserves that rect against any and all messages.
> >
> > Hmmm.
> >
> > Craig
>
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Re: Will it ever be possible place controls over browser widget?

[dunbarxx via use-livecode]

Bob.

Overlying, no?

And all objects are smoke and mirrors, in that they are chimeras that we
"see", "drawn" on a "screen", when in reality they are just a list of
certain transistors locked in a certain state.

I get that widgets are different. But I do not like at all that they break
fundamental rules. Who do they think they are, taking over real estate with
air rights?

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Re: Will it ever be possible place controls over browser widget?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I suspect all they did was take the old browser object and wrap it in a widget 
that it can respond to and send messages. The old browser was not on a layer 
per se. (Actually, nothing is, it's all smoke and mirrors). It would write or 
draw if you will to a rect on the screen, and once it did that, none of the 
"underlying" objects were accessible until the browser object was cleared. 

Bob S


> On Oct 4, 2018, at 14:07 , dunbarxx via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> The browser object sits atop everything else, or rather it is "drawn" over
> everything else...
> 
> Hmmm.
> 
> OK,this even though the browser object sits in layer 1, and the overlying
> button sits in layer 2. 
> So there is a breakdown in the layer paradigm?
> 
> Messages are prevented from being generated if a browser widget rect
> encloses the clickLoc in any way. LC "knows" there is a widget there, eh?
> And reserves that rect against any and all messages.
> 
> Hmmm.
> 
> Craig


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Re: Will it ever be possible place controls over browser widget?

[dunbarxx via use-livecode]

The browser object sits atop everything else, or rather it is "drawn" over
everything else...

Hmmm.

OK,this even though the browser object sits in layer 1, and the overlying
button sits in layer 2. 
So there is a breakdown in the layer paradigm?

Messages are prevented from being generated if a browser widget rect
encloses the clickLoc in any way. LC "knows" there is a widget there, eh?
And reserves that rect against any and all messages.

Hmmm.

Craig



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Re: Will it ever be possible place controls over browser widget?

[Stephen MacLean via use-livecode]

If I remember correctly this is supposed to be “change” at some point with 
infinite LC. 

In the mean time, you could overlay another html control over it and use it as 
a button. 

At least you used to be able to do that.  

Best,

Steve

> On Oct 4, 2018, at 2:26 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> oh yeah i know that right now thats the casei'm asking if anyone knows
> if thats a temporary or permanent situation.
> 
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 2:08 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I went through that a while back. I was trying to create a web based Kiosk
>> app, that a hot-click could cancel, so we could get back to the desktop. I
>> never got it to work. Once the browser object had control, nothing else
>> would respond.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 4, 2018, at 11:04 , Tom Glod via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Ehh.Does anyone know if it will ever be possible to place controls on
>>> layers above a browser widget?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Tom
>> 
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Re: Will it ever be possible place controls over browser widget?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

The browser object sits atop everything else, or rather it is "drawn" over 
everything else. Whatever it is not drawn over is still clickable. That is how 
it was explained to me some time back. 

Bob S


> On Oct 4, 2018, at 12:00 , dunbarxx via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> "...But with a browser widget, the message is generated only if the extent of 
> the button is outside the extent of the underlying widget. 
> 
> I may not have been clear. If I click on a portion of the overlying button
> that is outside the rect of the underlying widget, then a mouseUp message is
> generated. If I click on a portion of the button that is inside the widget
> rect, no message,
> 
> Again, how do it know?
> 
> Craig


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Re: Will it ever be possible place controls over browser widget?

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"...But with a browser widget, the message is generated only if the extent of 
the button is outside the extent of the underlying widget. 

I may not have been clear. If I click on a portion of the overlying button
that is outside the rect of the underlying widget, then a mouseUp message is
generated. If I click on a portion of the button that is inside the widget
rect, no message,

Again, how do it know?

Craig



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Re: Will it ever be possible place controls over browser widget?

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oh yeah i know that right now thats the casei'm asking if anyone knows
if thats a temporary or permanent situation.

On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 2:08 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I went through that a while back. I was trying to create a web based Kiosk
> app, that a hot-click could cancel, so we could get back to the desktop. I
> never got it to work. Once the browser object had control, nothing else
> would respond.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Oct 4, 2018, at 11:04 , Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Ehh.Does anyone know if it will ever be possible to place controls on
> > layers above a browser widget?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tom
>
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Re: Will it ever be possible place controls over browser widget?

[dunbarxx via use-livecode]

Hi.

Odd, I tried this with other widgets overlain by a button, and a mouseUp
message was generated without issue anywhere I clicked on the button.

But with a browser widget, the message is generated only if the extent of
the button is outside the extent of the underlying widget. 

How do it know?

Craig Newman



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Re: Will it ever be possible place controls over browser widget?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I went through that a while back. I was trying to create a web based Kiosk app, 
that a hot-click could cancel, so we could get back to the desktop. I never got 
it to work. Once the browser object had control, nothing else would respond. 

Bob S


> On Oct 4, 2018, at 11:04 , Tom Glod via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Ehh.Does anyone know if it will ever be possible to place controls on
> layers above a browser widget?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tom


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Will it ever be possible place controls over browser widget?

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

Hi,

Ehh.Does anyone know if it will ever be possible to place controls on
layers above a browser widget?

Thanks,

Tom
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