Re: XFS: RevServer, web hosts, and you
Richard, Thanks for this useful (and strategic in about preventing problems) HOWTO alert. Pierre Le 22 janv. 2013 à 20:33, Richard Gaskin a écrit : I recently had occasion to learn a bit more about file systems than I had intended, and will share what I've learned here because it may affect some RevServer or Rev CGI installations on third-party hosts: PROBLEM: Some file I/O operations fail under XFS Dreamhost and some other web hosting companies have begun rolling out new servers which use the XFS file system. XFS is said to have better performance than EXT3 and even EXT4 used on most Linux systems, but apparently this comes with a risk of compatibility issues. With LiveCode I've found two specific issues, though there may be others: 1. put url (file:PathToLocalFile) This fails, with sysError reporting 75. Oddly, using open.../read.../close... works fine. 2. put the files This also fails, always returning empty even when you know there are files there. While researching this I found some comments in the RealBASIC list archives suggesting that the RB engine also has problems with the XFS file system, so this is not solely a LiveCode issue. In fact, it seems there may be a few other programs that have also experienced problems with XFS. DIAGNOSIS - You can determine which file system your host is using by logging into the system via SSH and running this command: df -T This will produce a columnar output which lists the various volumes and their file systems available to your account. Note the second column on the line for /home (often the last line of the output). It's usually either EXT3, EXT4, or XFS. If it's XFS you may want to try a quick script to verify that your system is having the same limitations I had, either attempting to get a list of files using the files or reading a local file using put url REMEDY: Short-term -- If your system is using XFS, the quickest short-term solution is to ask your web hosting company to move your account to a system that is both 32-bit compatible and also uses either EXT3 or EXT4. With Dreamhost, it took a little back-and-forth via email, but as with the RealBASIC user I'd come across they eventually offered to move my accounts to a compatible system. Hopefully your web host will be able to do the same. REMEDY: Long-term - With the apparent growing popularity of XFS on web servers, clearly any long-term solution will require a version of the LiveCode engine which is compatible with XFS. I've been using my Dev Program Quick Incident benefits to enlist the assistance of David Williams at RunRev, who's been enormously helpful in going through the code to try to pinpoint the underlying cause. His diagnosis is still ongoing at the moment, and as I learn more I'll report back. If we're lucky we'll find that there are alternative API calls that RunRev could use for XFS which will take care of this. If so, we can then expect a future version of LiveCode to be compatible with XFS. We may also find that the issue may be a bug in the driver or other component in the system, in which case we'll have to monitor progress on that and see how it goes. Hopefully one way or another we'll have a good long-term solution in place soon. The RunRev team is putting in an admirable effort toward this, and in the meantime if you experience file I/O issues on your web server and can verify that your host is using XFS, you may want to contact your hosting company to see if they can move your account to a machine using a different file system. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
XFS: RevServer, web hosts, and you
I recently had occasion to learn a bit more about file systems than I had intended, and will share what I've learned here because it may affect some RevServer or Rev CGI installations on third-party hosts: PROBLEM: Some file I/O operations fail under XFS Dreamhost and some other web hosting companies have begun rolling out new servers which use the XFS file system. XFS is said to have better performance than EXT3 and even EXT4 used on most Linux systems, but apparently this comes with a risk of compatibility issues. With LiveCode I've found two specific issues, though there may be others: 1. put url (file:PathToLocalFile) This fails, with sysError reporting 75. Oddly, using open.../read.../close... works fine. 2. put the files This also fails, always returning empty even when you know there are files there. While researching this I found some comments in the RealBASIC list archives suggesting that the RB engine also has problems with the XFS file system, so this is not solely a LiveCode issue. In fact, it seems there may be a few other programs that have also experienced problems with XFS. DIAGNOSIS - You can determine which file system your host is using by logging into the system via SSH and running this command: df -T This will produce a columnar output which lists the various volumes and their file systems available to your account. Note the second column on the line for /home (often the last line of the output). It's usually either EXT3, EXT4, or XFS. If it's XFS you may want to try a quick script to verify that your system is having the same limitations I had, either attempting to get a list of files using the files or reading a local file using put url REMEDY: Short-term -- If your system is using XFS, the quickest short-term solution is to ask your web hosting company to move your account to a system that is both 32-bit compatible and also uses either EXT3 or EXT4. With Dreamhost, it took a little back-and-forth via email, but as with the RealBASIC user I'd come across they eventually offered to move my accounts to a compatible system. Hopefully your web host will be able to do the same. REMEDY: Long-term - With the apparent growing popularity of XFS on web servers, clearly any long-term solution will require a version of the LiveCode engine which is compatible with XFS. I've been using my Dev Program Quick Incident benefits to enlist the assistance of David Williams at RunRev, who's been enormously helpful in going through the code to try to pinpoint the underlying cause. His diagnosis is still ongoing at the moment, and as I learn more I'll report back. If we're lucky we'll find that there are alternative API calls that RunRev could use for XFS which will take care of this. If so, we can then expect a future version of LiveCode to be compatible with XFS. We may also find that the issue may be a bug in the driver or other component in the system, in which case we'll have to monitor progress on that and see how it goes. Hopefully one way or another we'll have a good long-term solution in place soon. The RunRev team is putting in an admirable effort toward this, and in the meantime if you experience file I/O issues on your web server and can verify that your host is using XFS, you may want to contact your hosting company to see if they can move your account to a machine using a different file system. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: XFS: RevServer, web hosts, and you
Great sleuthing, Richard! Thanks for sharing what you learned. Phil On 1/22/13 11:33 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: I recently had occasion to learn a bit more about file systems than I had intended, and will share what I've learned here because it may affect some RevServer or Rev CGI installations on third-party hosts: PROBLEM: Some file I/O operations fail under XFS Dreamhost and some other web hosting companies have begun rolling out new servers which use the XFS file system. XFS is said to have better performance than EXT3 and even EXT4 used on most Linux systems, but apparently this comes with a risk of compatibility issues. With LiveCode I've found two specific issues, though there may be others: 1. put url (file:PathToLocalFile) This fails, with sysError reporting 75. Oddly, using open.../read.../close... works fine. 2. put the files This also fails, always returning empty even when you know there are files there. While researching this I found some comments in the RealBASIC list archives suggesting that the RB engine also has problems with the XFS file system, so this is not solely a LiveCode issue. In fact, it seems there may be a few other programs that have also experienced problems with XFS. DIAGNOSIS - You can determine which file system your host is using by logging into the system via SSH and running this command: df -T This will produce a columnar output which lists the various volumes and their file systems available to your account. Note the second column on the line for /home (often the last line of the output). It's usually either EXT3, EXT4, or XFS. If it's XFS you may want to try a quick script to verify that your system is having the same limitations I had, either attempting to get a list of files using the files or reading a local file using put url REMEDY: Short-term -- If your system is using XFS, the quickest short-term solution is to ask your web hosting company to move your account to a system that is both 32-bit compatible and also uses either EXT3 or EXT4. With Dreamhost, it took a little back-and-forth via email, but as with the RealBASIC user I'd come across they eventually offered to move my accounts to a compatible system. Hopefully your web host will be able to do the same. REMEDY: Long-term - With the apparent growing popularity of XFS on web servers, clearly any long-term solution will require a version of the LiveCode engine which is compatible with XFS. I've been using my Dev Program Quick Incident benefits to enlist the assistance of David Williams at RunRev, who's been enormously helpful in going through the code to try to pinpoint the underlying cause. His diagnosis is still ongoing at the moment, and as I learn more I'll report back. If we're lucky we'll find that there are alternative API calls that RunRev could use for XFS which will take care of this. If so, we can then expect a future version of LiveCode to be compatible with XFS. We may also find that the issue may be a bug in the driver or other component in the system, in which case we'll have to monitor progress on that and see how it goes. Hopefully one way or another we'll have a good long-term solution in place soon. The RunRev team is putting in an admirable effort toward this, and in the meantime if you experience file I/O issues on your web server and can verify that your host is using XFS, you may want to contact your hosting company to see if they can move your account to a machine using a different file system. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Phil Davis ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: XFS: RevServer, web hosts, and you
On 01/22/2013 10:32 PM, Phil Davis wrote: Great sleuthing, Richard! Thanks for sharing what you learned. Phil On 1/22/13 11:33 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: I recently had occasion to learn a bit more about file systems than I had intended, and will share what I've learned here because it may affect some RevServer or Rev CGI installations on third-party hosts: PROBLEM: Some file I/O operations fail under XFS Dreamhost and some other web hosting companies have begun rolling out new servers which use the XFS file system. XFS is said to have better performance than EXT3 and even EXT4 used on most Linux systems, but apparently this comes with a risk of compatibility issues. With LiveCode I've found two specific issues, though there may be others: 1. put url (file:PathToLocalFile) This fails, with sysError reporting 75. Oddly, using open.../read.../close... works fine. 2. put the files This also fails, always returning empty even when you know there are files there. While researching this I found some comments in the RealBASIC list archives suggesting that the RB engine also has problems with the XFS file system, so this is not solely a LiveCode issue. In fact, it seems there may be a few other programs that have also experienced problems with XFS. DIAGNOSIS - You can determine which file system your host is using by logging into the system via SSH and running this command: df -T This will produce a columnar output which lists the various volumes and their file systems available to your account. Note the second column on the line for /home (often the last line of the output). It's usually either EXT3, EXT4, or XFS. If it's XFS you may want to try a quick script to verify that your system is having the same limitations I had, either attempting to get a list of files using the files or reading a local file using put url REMEDY: Short-term -- If your system is using XFS, the quickest short-term solution is to ask your web hosting company to move your account to a system that is both 32-bit compatible and also uses either EXT3 or EXT4. With Dreamhost, it took a little back-and-forth via email, but as with the RealBASIC user I'd come across they eventually offered to move my accounts to a compatible system. Hopefully your web host will be able to do the same. REMEDY: Long-term - With the apparent growing popularity of XFS on web servers, clearly any long-term solution will require a version of the LiveCode engine which is compatible with XFS. I've been using my Dev Program Quick Incident benefits to enlist the assistance of David Williams at RunRev, who's been enormously helpful in going through the code to try to pinpoint the underlying cause. His diagnosis is still ongoing at the moment, and as I learn more I'll report back. If we're lucky we'll find that there are alternative API calls that RunRev could use for XFS which will take care of this. If so, we can then expect a future version of LiveCode to be compatible with XFS. We may also find that the issue may be a bug in the driver or other component in the system, in which case we'll have to monitor progress on that and see how it goes. Hopefully one way or another we'll have a good long-term solution in place soon. The RunRev team is putting in an admirable effort toward this, and in the meantime if you experience file I/O issues on your web server and can verify that your host is using XFS, you may want to contact your hosting company to see if they can move your account to a machine using a different file system. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys __ Here's my 2 leva worth: Recently installed an Ubuntu distro on a Pentium IV using Ext4 and had the system lock-up irretrievably on me: being a sucker for punishment, I reinstalled 3 times and got the same result every time: eventually reinstalled using Ext3 and after 3 months have had not a whisper of a problem. So I am steering well clear of Ext4. [Word of warning: unscientific prejudice] Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: XFS: RevServer, web hosts, and you
Hey Folks, I am pretty happy with EXT3, I would only move to ZFS if it had stable linux support. My dream system is a FreeBSD server with ZFS and LiveCode Server but unfortunately we don't have LC Server for FreeBSD and while I could get the linux version running thru Linux ABI, I could not get RevDB MySQL adapter working. Now to move back on topic. I see lots of guys and gals here using shared accounts and I advise against it. Shared accounts may be cheap but once you need something more complicated, then you're lost. The alternative is to pick a VPS where you control everything and this has a learning curve but it is worth it. For those that want a DIY approach, I recommend getting a linode (www.linode.com), they are as cheap as 20 USD per month and they are gorgeous. Linode is unmanaged, it means that mostly you need to do your own stuff but their helps and guides are very easy to follow and they provide pre-assembled images that are easy to use. I could not be happier. If I need anything, I am just an ssh connection away from installing it and yes Ubuntu server works quite well for me. Cheers andre On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.comwrote: On 01/22/2013 10:32 PM, Phil Davis wrote: Great sleuthing, Richard! Thanks for sharing what you learned. Phil On 1/22/13 11:33 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: I recently had occasion to learn a bit more about file systems than I had intended, and will share what I've learned here because it may affect some RevServer or Rev CGI installations on third-party hosts: PROBLEM: Some file I/O operations fail under XFS --**-- Dreamhost and some other web hosting companies have begun rolling out new servers which use the XFS file system. XFS is said to have better performance than EXT3 and even EXT4 used on most Linux systems, but apparently this comes with a risk of compatibility issues. With LiveCode I've found two specific issues, though there may be others: 1. put url (file:PathToLocalFile) This fails, with sysError reporting 75. Oddly, using open.../read.../close... works fine. 2. put the files This also fails, always returning empty even when you know there are files there. While researching this I found some comments in the RealBASIC list archives suggesting that the RB engine also has problems with the XFS file system, so this is not solely a LiveCode issue. In fact, it seems there may be a few other programs that have also experienced problems with XFS. DIAGNOSIS - You can determine which file system your host is using by logging into the system via SSH and running this command: df -T This will produce a columnar output which lists the various volumes and their file systems available to your account. Note the second column on the line for /home (often the last line of the output). It's usually either EXT3, EXT4, or XFS. If it's XFS you may want to try a quick script to verify that your system is having the same limitations I had, either attempting to get a list of files using the files or reading a local file using put url REMEDY: Short-term -- If your system is using XFS, the quickest short-term solution is to ask your web hosting company to move your account to a system that is both 32-bit compatible and also uses either EXT3 or EXT4. With Dreamhost, it took a little back-and-forth via email, but as with the RealBASIC user I'd come across they eventually offered to move my accounts to a compatible system. Hopefully your web host will be able to do the same. REMEDY: Long-term - With the apparent growing popularity of XFS on web servers, clearly any long-term solution will require a version of the LiveCode engine which is compatible with XFS. I've been using my Dev Program Quick Incident benefits to enlist the assistance of David Williams at RunRev, who's been enormously helpful in going through the code to try to pinpoint the underlying cause. His diagnosis is still ongoing at the moment, and as I learn more I'll report back. If we're lucky we'll find that there are alternative API calls that RunRev could use for XFS which will take care of this. If so, we can then expect a future version of LiveCode to be compatible with XFS. We may also find that the issue may be a bug in the driver or other component in the system, in which case we'll have to monitor progress on that and see how it goes. Hopefully one way or another we'll have a good long-term solution in place soon. The RunRev team is putting in an admirable effort toward this, and in the meantime if you experience file I/O issues on your web server and can verify that your host is using XFS, you may want to contact your hosting company to see if they can move your account to a machine using a different file system. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and
Re: XFS: RevServer, web hosts, and you
Here's a way naive comment, but: what is so special about ZFS compared with, say, EXT3? Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: XFS: RevServer, web hosts, and you
Richmond, some features of ZFS (it has more features than this) 1. Checksums in Metadata for Data Integrity - meaning it can detect more errors and has more integrity than EXT3 that uses block checksums. 2. Copy on write - means that writing to a file is a transaction, or it happens correctly or it doesn't happen. It can't break because the old data of the file is retained and can be rolled back if the checksums after writing fail. 3. Data snapshots - You know that time machine thing that apple fakes using incremental backups? Well ZFS has snapshots at file system level. You can configure it to snapshot things every 15 minutes or every hour and you can roll back time if you need. 4. ZFS has a pool - ZFS volumes are packed together in a zpool and you can add or remove disks as needed to the pool. You're running short on disk space? Just add another disk to the machine and add it to the pool, space magically appears. 4.1 ZFS can create hybrid SSD/HD pools using the SSD as a high speed file cache for often used stuff and the HD for long term storage. 5. Data scrubbing - ZFS can use the checksum to check all files in the zpool and if you're using something like RAIDZ to mirror the data, it will recover errors silently with no admin intervention between the mirrored stuff. These are some basic features that everyone should have on their FS! At this moment Solaris has the best ZFS support followed by FreeBSD. ZFS is one of the things that Linux could really use. On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.comwrote: Here's a way naive comment, but: what is so special about ZFS compared with, say, EXT3? Richmond. __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code. http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: XFS: RevServer, web hosts, and you
On 01/22/2013 11:09 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: Richmond, some features of ZFS (it has more features than this) 1. Checksums in Metadata for Data Integrity - meaning it can detect more errors and has more integrity than EXT3 that uses block checksums. 2. Copy on write - means that writing to a file is a transaction, or it happens correctly or it doesn't happen. It can't break because the old data of the file is retained and can be rolled back if the checksums after writing fail. 3. Data snapshots - You know that time machine thing that apple fakes using incremental backups? Well ZFS has snapshots at file system level. You can configure it to snapshot things every 15 minutes or every hour and you can roll back time if you need. 4. ZFS has a pool - ZFS volumes are packed together in a zpool and you can add or remove disks as needed to the pool. You're running short on disk space? Just add another disk to the machine and add it to the pool, space magically appears. 4.1 ZFS can create hybrid SSD/HD pools using the SSD as a high speed file cache for often used stuff and the HD for long term storage. 5. Data scrubbing - ZFS can use the checksum to check all files in the zpool and if you're using something like RAIDZ to mirror the data, it will recover errors silently with no admin intervention between the mirrored stuff. These are some basic features that everyone should have on their FS! At this moment Solaris has the best ZFS support followed by FreeBSD. ZFS is one of the things that Linux could really use. Thanks for answering that fairly comprehensively. On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.comwrote: Here's a way naive comment, but: what is so special about ZFS compared with, say, EXT3? Richmond. __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Now now. Can you imagine how many casual users would have used it if apple called it iIncrement? Bob On Jan 22, 2013, at 1:09 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: 3. Data snapshots - You know that time machine thing that apple fakes using incremental backups? Well ZFS has snapshots at file system level. You can configure it to snapshot things every 15 minutes or every hour and you can roll back time if you need. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Oooh built in SAN. Without the Networking part. Bob On Jan 22, 2013, at 1:09 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: 4. ZFS has a pool - ZFS volumes are packed together in a zpool and you can add or remove disks as needed to the pool. You're running short on disk space? Just add another disk to the machine and add it to the pool, space magically appears. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Apparently there's now a Community Edition of ZFS available for OS X: http://www.zdnet.com/resurrection-maczfs-returns-704117/ -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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I would not dare to use community edition of a file system. At least on Solaris and FreeBSD it is a proven thing. On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.comwrote: Apparently there's now a Community Edition of ZFS available for OS X: http://www.zdnet.com/**resurrection-maczfs-returns-**704117/http://www.zdnet.com/resurrection-maczfs-returns-704117/ -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/**FourthWorldSyshttp://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code. http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Andre Garzia wrote: I would not dare to use community edition of a file system. But you'll use a community kernel? :\ -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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I am using a CE of WebOS that all depends on how much I trust the given community. I don't know who is creating this ZFS CE. :D On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.comwrote: Andre Garzia wrote: I would not dare to use community edition of a file system. But you'll use a community kernel? :\ -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/**FourthWorldSyshttp://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code. http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Andre Garzia wrote: I am using a CE of WebOS that all depends on how much I trust the given community. I don't know who is creating this ZFS CE. I believe it's managed by GreenBytes, the same people who manage the commercial edition. My understanding was that it's simply dual-licensed, much like MySQL. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
