RE: iPhone X or "Apple is just the most annoying company of all time"
FYI: While doing the iPhone X screen shots for iTunes Connect I realized that the iPhone X is much more "portraitity" than any other device I have run across. I have some serious re-working to do. The iPhone X aspect ratio is something like 19:9 where the iPhone 8 is more-or-less a standard 16:9. Brings me back to when I hand filed aperture plates for half-frame-flat movie projection. FYI: iOS developers. iPhone X Dimensions Portrait 1125px × 2436px (375pt × 812pt @3x) Landscape 2436px × 1125px (812pt × 375pt @3x) I compiled the safe areas in points and pixels for iPhone X: Portrait right side up safe area margins: Left: 0 Top: 44 Pts 132 Pixels Right: 0 Bottom: 34 Pts 102 Pixels Portrait upside down: NOT SUPPORTED Landscape left/right safe area margins: Left: 16 Pts 48 Pixels Top: 32 Pts 96 Pixels Right: 16 Pts 48 Pixels Bottom: 23 Pts 69 Pixels Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: iPhone X or "Apple is just the most annoying company of all time"
So did Kindle, and that certainly has layout issues. The immersive mode I meant is the one that was added to the most recent Android system. > On Nov 3, 2017, at 2:53 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > wrote: > > On 11/3/17 6:53 AM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote: >> One interesting thing has come up with Android’s new immersive mode, for it >> to work you have to do the counterintuitive NOT hide the status bar. Apple >> also recommend not hiding the status bar on iPhone X. > > I'm not sure if it's new or just that Google officially supports it now. > Samsung has implemented system-wide immersive mode on all their devices for > years. It's confusing for newcomers. I had to explain what happened to more > than one novice Android user when they got lost on a screen with no > navigation controls. > > You're right the requirement isn't intuitive. That's pretty odd. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: iPhone X or "Apple is just the most annoying company of all time"
On 11/3/17 6:53 AM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote: One interesting thing has come up with Android’s new immersive mode, for it to work you have to do the counterintuitive NOT hide the status bar. Apple also recommend not hiding the status bar on iPhone X. I'm not sure if it's new or just that Google officially supports it now. Samsung has implemented system-wide immersive mode on all their devices for years. It's confusing for newcomers. I had to explain what happened to more than one novice Android user when they got lost on a screen with no navigation controls. You're right the requirement isn't intuitive. That's pretty odd. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: iPhone X or "Apple is just the most annoying company of all time"
One interesting thing has come up with Android’s new immersive mode, for it to work you have to do the counterintuitive NOT hide the status bar. Apple also recommend not hiding the status bar on iPhone X. > On Nov 3, 2017, at 2:19 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > wrote: > > On 11/2/17 7:17 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote: >> Apple do document what they mean by a safe area, and the amount it eats into >> the screen isn’t very much: >> https://developer.apple.com/ios/human-interface-guidelines/overview/iphone-x/ > > Android developers have been dealing with a gazillion screen ratios since day > one. Safe zones are the rule there, and this isn't any different. LC can > handle it with some planning. > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: iPhone X or "Apple is just the most annoying company of all time"
On 11/2/17 7:17 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote: Apple do document what they mean by a safe area, and the amount it eats into the screen isn’t very much: https://developer.apple.com/ios/human-interface-guidelines/overview/iphone-x/ Android developers have been dealing with a gazillion screen ratios since day one. Safe zones are the rule there, and this isn't any different. LC can handle it with some planning. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: iPhone X or "Apple is just the most annoying company of all time"
Apple do document what they mean by a safe area, and the amount it eats into the screen isn’t very much: https://developer.apple.com/ios/human-interface-guidelines/overview/iphone-x/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: iPhone X or "Apple is just the most annoying company of all time"
If it's like the 5c and doesn't sell, this won't be a problem.
On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> With the X Apple is suggesting that the status bar not be turned off in
> most cases. That would eliminate the issue of the top side cut out. You
> should be able to use the screenrect to determine device (I guess) and not
> hide.
> On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 12:07 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > I bet they are working on it right now!
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> > > On Nov 2, 2017, at 09:56 , Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > 1. iPhone X has rounded corners and an annoying "tab" at the top and
> the
> > > fact that there is no home button. Users will swipe up from the bottom
> to
> > > get back to the home page. This may cause an issue for apps with
> buttons
> > > towards the bottom of the screen.
> > > 2. Apps that have an edge-to-edge design will have issues with the
> > rounded
> > > corners. And the "annoying tab" at the top.
> > > 3. Developers sites recommend a "Safe Zone". ("Safe Zone"
> > Really??? I
> > > feel I'm back to the 1960s when framing shots for NTSC CRT TVs")
> > >
> > > LC should have a Stand Alone Settings option to use only the safe zone
> > for
> > > the X. There should also be a separate "show status bar" options for
> the
> > X.
> > > This will allow existing apps to render without clipping on the X. We
> > also
> > > need a way to specify ions and splash pages for the X. These items
> along
> > > with Xcode 9.1 support is needed ASAP.
> > >
> > > Ralph DiMola
> > > IT Director
> > > Evergreen Information Services
> > > rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
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Re: iPhone X or "Apple is just the most annoying company of all time"
With the X Apple is suggesting that the status bar not be turned off in
most cases. That would eliminate the issue of the top side cut out. You
should be able to use the screenrect to determine device (I guess) and not
hide.
On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 12:07 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> I bet they are working on it right now!
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Nov 2, 2017, at 09:56 , Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > 1. iPhone X has rounded corners and an annoying "tab" at the top and the
> > fact that there is no home button. Users will swipe up from the bottom to
> > get back to the home page. This may cause an issue for apps with buttons
> > towards the bottom of the screen.
> > 2. Apps that have an edge-to-edge design will have issues with the
> rounded
> > corners. And the "annoying tab" at the top.
> > 3. Developers sites recommend a "Safe Zone". ("Safe Zone"
> Really??? I
> > feel I'm back to the 1960s when framing shots for NTSC CRT TVs")
> >
> > LC should have a Stand Alone Settings option to use only the safe zone
> for
> > the X. There should also be a separate "show status bar" options for the
> X.
> > This will allow existing apps to render without clipping on the X. We
> also
> > need a way to specify ions and splash pages for the X. These items along
> > with Xcode 9.1 support is needed ASAP.
> >
> > Ralph DiMola
> > IT Director
> > Evergreen Information Services
> > rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> >
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Re: iPhone X or "Apple is just the most annoying company of all time"
I bet they are working on it right now!
Bob S
> On Nov 2, 2017, at 09:56 , Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
> wrote:
>
> 1. iPhone X has rounded corners and an annoying "tab" at the top and the
> fact that there is no home button. Users will swipe up from the bottom to
> get back to the home page. This may cause an issue for apps with buttons
> towards the bottom of the screen.
> 2. Apps that have an edge-to-edge design will have issues with the rounded
> corners. And the "annoying tab" at the top.
> 3. Developers sites recommend a "Safe Zone". ("Safe Zone" Really??? I
> feel I'm back to the 1960s when framing shots for NTSC CRT TVs")
>
> LC should have a Stand Alone Settings option to use only the safe zone for
> the X. There should also be a separate "show status bar" options for the X.
> This will allow existing apps to render without clipping on the X. We also
> need a way to specify ions and splash pages for the X. These items along
> with Xcode 9.1 support is needed ASAP.
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>
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iPhone X or "Apple is just the most annoying company of all time"
1. iPhone X has rounded corners and an annoying "tab" at the top and the
fact that there is no home button. Users will swipe up from the bottom to
get back to the home page. This may cause an issue for apps with buttons
towards the bottom of the screen.
2. Apps that have an edge-to-edge design will have issues with the rounded
corners. And the "annoying tab" at the top.
3. Developers sites recommend a "Safe Zone". ("Safe Zone" Really??? I
feel I'm back to the 1960s when framing shots for NTSC CRT TVs")
LC should have a Stand Alone Settings option to use only the safe zone for
the X. There should also be a separate "show status bar" options for the X.
This will allow existing apps to render without clipping on the X. We also
need a way to specify ions and splash pages for the X. These items along
with Xcode 9.1 support is needed ASAP.
Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
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