Re: list etiquette

[Bob Sneidar]

Another issue is that some people use the digest while others do not. This 
seems to create a new thread named the same thing when replying from the 
digest. So far as I have been able to ascertain, nothing can be done about this 
other than rounding up all the digest users and flogging them with wet noodles. 
Then the problem becomes, some might like it. ;-)

After 60 years on this planet I have come to see that many (if not most) people 
do not do things the way they do because it "makes sense" or is the most 
efficient or useful way to do it. They do things "their way" simply because it 
IS "their way." That is why no one will ever seriously make any progress 
changing the world, either in small ways or big ones. 

Bob S


> On Sep 29, 2015, at 03:13 , Kay C Lan  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 11:56 PM, Warren Samples 
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> An example would be the thread with the subject "Why can't LC do what
>> PencilCase does?" Under that thread are 11 completely unrelated message
>> threads, each having headers that indicate each new topic was initiated as
>> a response to a previous but unrelated message within that thread.
>> 
>> What are you using to view the List? I use Gmail and I have no such
> problem, every single post in the PencilCase thread has exactly the same
> subject so Gmail can automatically rethread based on Subject. Maybe there
> is a Preference within your email client to sort by Subject?
> 
> I'll admit I'm guilty of posting a new Topic by clicking Reply and changing
> the Subject, but this seems to me to be far easier as you normally want to
> quote a portion of a post but acknowledge that it is a tangent topic. So as
> it works perfectly for me, unless there is an avalanche of other's who are
> suffering the same as you, I'm not sure I'll remember to compose a brand
> new message just to help your email client.
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Re: list etiquette

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Bob Sneidar 
wrote:

> Another issue is that some people use the digest while others do not. This
> seems to create a new thread named the same thing when replying from the
> digest. So far as I have been able to ascertain, nothing can be done about
> this other than rounding up all the digest users and flogging them with wet
> noodles. Then the problem becomes, some might like it. ;-)
>

My solution, dating back several years, is to simply ignore any post which
replies directly to a digest.

I found that they were uniformly content free.  Some sought help, but if
it's too much trouble for them to send a recognizable question, it's too
much trouble for me to sort through dozens of digests to see if there might
be a real one.


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Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462
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Re: list etiquette

[Kay C Lan]

On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> For me, Thunderbird is the best e-mail software. Changing the software is
> no solution
>

Why change when you can add:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/gmail-conversation-view/
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Re: list etiquette

[Kay C Lan]

On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 10:53 PM, Mark Wieder 
wrote:

I probably never see most of your posts then.
> I tend to mass-delete threads I'm not interested in reading or can't
> devote the time to, so any tangential topics will get swept away at the
> same time.
>
> That's exactly what you'd want isn't it? If you are not interested in the
main topic why on earth would you be interested in a side issue of the main
topic?
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Re: list etiquette

[Warren Samples]

On 09/30/2015 02:03 AM, Kay C Lan wrote:

That's exactly what you'd want isn't it? If you are not interested in the

main topic why on earth would you be interested in a side issue of the main
topic?



You are not understanding the problem. These "side issues of the main 
thread" are nothing of the sort. They are completely unrelated topics 
and appear as sub threads only because of poor (lazy?) posting habits.


A possible problem, related to what Mark describes, occurs when marking 
a thread to be ignored.


Warren

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Re: list etiquette

[Richard Gaskin]

Kay C Lan wrote:

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 11:56 PM, Warren Samples 
wrote:


An example would be the thread with the subject "Why can't LC do what
PencilCase does?" Under that thread are 11 completely unrelated message
threads, each having headers that indicate each new topic was initiated as
a response to a previous but unrelated message within that thread.

What are you using to view the List? I use Gmail and I have no such

problem, every single post in the PencilCase thread has exactly the same
subject so Gmail can automatically rethread based on Subject. Maybe there
is a Preference within your email client to sort by Subject?

I'll admit I'm guilty of posting a new Topic by clicking Reply and changing
the Subject, but this seems to me to be far easier as you normally want to
quote a portion of a post but acknowledge that it is a tangent topic. So as
it works perfectly for me, unless there is an avalanche of other's who are
suffering the same as you, I'm not sure I'll remember to compose a brand
new message just to help your email client.


Same here.  I read the list through the Web archives, and reply by 
clicking the link at the top of the page.  This has the opposite effect, 
no less annoying to some:  when I reply to a given thread, the subject 
line is as expected but the message ID is lost, so when an email client 
is so limited it can only understand threading by message ID my posts 
appear out of sequence.


Between the nuances of various email clients and at least three 
different Web-based was to interact with this list, we can expect 
variance in email header metadata.


Good email clients will anticipate this, and provide Sort by Subject as 
a universal solution.


--
 Richard Gaskin
 Fourth World Systems
 Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
 
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Re: list etiquette

[Kay C Lan]

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 11:56 PM, Warren Samples 
wrote:

>
> An example would be the thread with the subject "Why can't LC do what
> PencilCase does?" Under that thread are 11 completely unrelated message
> threads, each having headers that indicate each new topic was initiated as
> a response to a previous but unrelated message within that thread.
>
> What are you using to view the List? I use Gmail and I have no such
problem, every single post in the PencilCase thread has exactly the same
subject so Gmail can automatically rethread based on Subject. Maybe there
is a Preference within your email client to sort by Subject?

I'll admit I'm guilty of posting a new Topic by clicking Reply and changing
the Subject, but this seems to me to be far easier as you normally want to
quote a portion of a post but acknowledge that it is a tangent topic. So as
it works perfectly for me, unless there is an avalanche of other's who are
suffering the same as you, I'm not sure I'll remember to compose a brand
new message just to help your email client.
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Re: list etiquette

[Mark Schonewille]

I use Thunderbird and I have exactly the same problem. It is the reason 
why I don't see e-mails, sometimes. For me, Thunderbird is the best 
e-mail software. Changing the software is no solution.


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Op 9/29/2015 om 12:13 schreef Kay C Lan:

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 11:56 PM, Warren Samples 
wrote:


An example would be the thread with the subject "Why can't LC do what
PencilCase does?" Under that thread are 11 completely unrelated message
threads, each having headers that indicate each new topic was initiated as
a response to a previous but unrelated message within that thread.

What are you using to view the List? I use Gmail and I have no such

problem, every single post in the PencilCase thread has exactly the same
subject so Gmail can automatically rethread based on Subject. Maybe there
is a Preference within your email client to sort by Subject?

I'll admit I'm guilty of posting a new Topic by clicking Reply and changing
the Subject, but this seems to me to be far easier as you normally want to
quote a portion of a post but acknowledge that it is a tangent topic. So as
it works perfectly for me, unless there is an avalanche of other's who are
suffering the same as you, I'm not sure I'll remember to compose a brand
new message just to help your email client.
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Re: list etiquette

[Mark Wieder]

On 09/29/2015 03:13 AM, Kay C Lan wrote:


I'll admit I'm guilty of posting a new Topic by clicking Reply and changing
the Subject, but this seems to me to be far easier as you normally want to
quote a portion of a post but acknowledge that it is a tangent topic. So as
it works perfectly for me, unless there is an avalanche of other's who are
suffering the same as you, I'm not sure I'll remember to compose a brand
new message just to help your email client.


I probably never see most of your posts then.
I tend to mass-delete threads I'm not interested in reading or can't 
devote the time to, so any tangential topics will get swept away at the 
same time.


Is it really that hard to figure out how to use Gmail?
Hint: there's a 'Compose' button.

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Re: list etiquette

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 3:13 AM, Kay C Lan  wrote:

>  What are you using to view the List? I use Gmail and I have no such
> problem, every single post in the PencilCase thread has exactly the same
> subject so Gmail can automatically rethread based on Subject. Maybe there
> is a Preference within your email client to sort by Subject?
>

This is a bug in gmail that goes back to day 1.

Gmail took it upon itself to ignore the established standards and RFCs, and
only threads by topic, not actual thread.   Properly done, the email header
contains the id of the parent, and *that* is supposed to be used for
threading.

We had threading *long* before gmail, AOL, yahoo and the like reared their
wretched heads

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list etiquette

[Warren Samples]

Hello all,

From time to time certain issue of list etiquette have been brought up 
and discussed. Cross-posting to this and the dev list, top or bottom 
responding, succinct message copying, and whether or not to leave a 
message intact while responding or slicing it and responding point by 
point have been some of the issues discussed in recent months.


I would like to respectfully ask that certain members of the list 
consider their method for posting new topics. I have noticed a problem 
with unrelated topics being folded into a single subject thread and from 
looking at message headers it seems this is because each of these topics 
was introduced by replying to a message and changing the subject instead 
of addressing a new message to the list. The result of this can be a 
thread which contains discussions of several different topics. This may 
further result in people not seeing your topic if it falls within a 
thread whose subject doesn't interest them.


An example would be the thread with the subject "Why can't LC do what 
PencilCase does?" Under that thread are 11 completely unrelated message 
threads, each having headers that indicate each new topic was initiated 
as a response to a previous but unrelated message within that thread.


It might be a more polite and better strategy to compose a new message 
to the list to introduce a new topic rather than doing it in a reply to 
a previous (unrelated) message.


Cheers,

Warren

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