Re: How to use tab UI widgets?

[Terry Vogelaar]

> I'm wondering how I use the tab widgets.  I create the widget, then drag
> some UI elements on to page 1 and now want to go to page 2 and do the same.
> 
> I've noticed that the widgets don't seem to be putting themselves on a tab
> pane.  

A tab is actually just a button used as a menu. When you click on the
rightmost tab of the properties palette, you can name the tabs. Then in the
script of the button, you put a script like:

on menuPick pWhich
  switch pWhich
  case "firsttab"
hide group "secondstuff"
show group "firststuff"
break
  case "secondtab"
hide group "firststuff"
show group "secondstuff"
break
  end switch
end menuPick

Terry


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Re: How to use tab UI widgets?

[Jeanne A. E. DeVoto]

At 11:50 PM -0800 3/3/2002, Sam Griffith wrote:
>I'm wondering how I use the tab widgets.  I create the widget, then drag
>some UI elements on to page 1 and now want to go to page 2 and do the same.

The simplest way:

1. Drag your widgets for tab 1 onto the window and arrange them as desired,
then group them. Name the group the same as the name of tab 1 (for example,
if your tabs are "Foo", "Bar", and "Bas", name the first group "Foo").

Repeat for each tab: that is, create a group for each tab that contains the
objects you want for the tab.

2. Put this handler into the tab button's script:

  on menuPick chosenTab,previousTab
lock screen
show group chosenTab
hide group previousTab
  end menuPick

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time field (Please Help)

[Steve L]

Hello,

I have a field that I would like to display the
current/active "short system time".  I can get it to
put the "short system time" in the field on
preCardOpen, via the set or put commands, however, it
does not update to show the actual time (like a
clock), the time that it puts in the field is static. 
How do you get it to display live time?

Thanks
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Re: How to use tab UI widgets?

[Klaus Major]

Hi Terry and all,

>> I'm wondering how I use the tab widgets.  I create the widget, then 
>> drag
>> some UI elements on to page 1 and now want to go to page 2 and do the 
>> same.
>>
>> I've noticed that the widgets don't seem to be putting themselves on a 
>> tab
>> pane.
>
> A tab is actually just a button used as a menu. When you click on the
> rightmost tab of the properties palette, you can name the tabs. Then in 
> the
> script of the button, you put a script like:
>
> on menuPick pWhich
>   switch pWhich
>   case "firsttab"
> hide group "secondstuff"
> show group "firststuff"
> break
>   case "secondtab"
> hide group "firststuff"
> show group "secondstuff"
> break
>   end switch
> end menuPick
>
> Terry

it is even easier and shorter ;-)

on menupick new_group, old_group
   hide grp old_group
   show grp new_group
end menupick

Take a (deeper ;-) look in the index on "menupick"


Regards from germany


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Quicktime versus Animation Manager (No subject)

[Tim Chambers]

Troy

Thanks for your quick response. In answer to your question. I have some 
small animations for an english teaching program.  A few GIFS of 
manipulated clip art and words broken into syllables with sound as they 
display on the screen.  I'm a hobbyist working with an average household 
budget, so low cost solutions are imperative.

Tim

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HELP French accents

[alain.vezina%logilangue.com]

Is there a way to deal with accents on letters (I am a french speaking)
when making a sort or when finding in
a listField?

Finding a  french word with some letters having accent is not a problem
when I use the messagebox. But it doesn't
work when I use the find command in a handler.

For example, I wrote a script to find some words in a field. If I am
looking for "réparateur" and word "rendez-vous"

comes first in the list, I will find word "réparateur" only when "rép" (
the third letter) is typed.


There are also problems when a sort is executed in a listfield.

Alain Vezina

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Re: HELP French accents

[yves COPPE]

>Is there a way to deal with accents on letters (I am a french speaking)
>when making a sort or when finding in
>a listField?
>
>Finding a  french word with some letters having accent is not a problem
>when I use the messagebox. But it doesn't
>work when I use the find command in a handler.
>
>For example, I wrote a script to find some words in a field. If I am
>looking for "réparateur" and word "rendez-vous"
>
>comes first in the list, I will find word "réparateur" only when "rép" (
>the third letter) is typed.
>
>
>There are also problems when a sort is executed in a listfield.
>
>Alain Vezina
>


Salut bonhome !

As-tu déjà essayé les différentes possibilités de "offset"
(lineOfsset, itemoffset,Š). J'utilise cette forme : c'est plus rapide 
et plus efficace


Now for the others :

I'd rather use the "offset" function : faster and more efficaciousŠ

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Re: Time Field (Please Help)

[Ted]

> Question:  What happens when the user goes to another card or another
> stack?  Must one take some action on closeCard/closeStack to stop
> updateTime from continuing to send messages every second?

>I wondered about this myself too.

>Looks like you & I will have to wait for the experts, Terry.


No need to wait.

If you look up the *send* command in the Transcript Dictionary section of
Revolution Help, you'll find the related topics listed under the "See Also"
box.

With the *cancel* command, you can cancel your send command(s) in a closecard
script.


Ted


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Re: Quicktime versus Animation Manager (No subject)

[Troy Rollins]

On Monday, March 4, 2002, at 08:34 AM, Tim Chambers wrote:

>  A few GIFS of manipulated clip art and words broken into syllables 
> with sound as they display on the screen.

Sorry Tim, I'm still a bit confused as to where we are trying to help 
you go. You want to time gifs to audio? You have QuickTimes or the means 
to make them which already have the audio timed against the images?

Taking a guess, it sounds as though you have a desire to time visuals to 
audio. I would recommend and external package to create QuickTimes 
(iMovie or QuickTime player pro will do this.) Then you bring your 
QuickTime into a QuickTime player control object - from there you can 
use script to display the player when you want, and trigger the play 
events when you want.

Are we getting there?

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Re: Quicktime versus Animation Manager (No subject)

[Bill Vlahos]

I don't know how feasible this would be but you could make the 
"unbroken" art and words a button with the unbroken button icon and then 
change the hilited state to another graphic which could be a "broken" 
icon or even an animated gif.

Bill

On Monday, March 4, 2002, at 08:41  AM, Troy Rollins wrote:

>
> On Monday, March 4, 2002, at 08:34 AM, Tim Chambers wrote:
>
>>  A few GIFS of manipulated clip art and words broken into syllables 
>> with sound as they display on the screen.
>
> Sorry Tim, I'm still a bit confused as to where we are trying to help 
> you go. You want to time gifs to audio? You have QuickTimes or the 
> means to make them which already have the audio timed against the 
> images?
>
> Taking a guess, it sounds as though you have a desire to time visuals 
> to audio. I would recommend and external package to create QuickTimes 
> (iMovie or QuickTime player pro will do this.) Then you bring your 
> QuickTime into a QuickTime player control object - from there you can 
> use script to display the player when you want, and trigger the play 
> events when you want.
>
> Are we getting there?
>
> --
> Troy
> RPSystems
> www.rpsystems.net
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Re: Patterns on Mac/PC

[Kevin Miller]

On 1/3/02 3:19 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am just curious about the difference between the way patterns are handled
> between a PC and a Mac. For instance:
> 
> I can import a pattern into my PC stack, assign this same pattern to several
> buttons (stacked on top of each other) with the patterns starting at 0,0,
> coordinates in each button (i.e. the pattern is redrawn for each button with
> the upper left corner starting at the upper left corner of the button).
> 
> If I then transfer this stack to a Macintosh, the buttons represent the
> pattern as if the pattern were the size of the stack (or screen). In other
> words, the pattern is reflected differently in every button on the Mac (the
> pattern is not redrawn at a 0,0, coordinate for each button).
> 
> I know patterns are 'natively' different on each platform, but this is odd
> (and I would think this is wrong).
> 
> Can anyone verify/explain this?

>From the docs:

Pattern images can be color or black-and-white. To be used on Mac OS
systems, patterns must be 128x128 pixels or less, and both its height and
width must be a power of 2. To be used on Windows and Unix systems, height
and width must be divisible by 8.

Does that explain it?

Kevin

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Re: Crazy for cursors

[Kevin Miller]

On 1/3/02 6:06 pm, Bill Vlahos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have 1.1.1B1 installed on several development Macs (mostly OS X). When
> I look at the Image Library on one of them I see a Custom Cursors
> library. However, I only see it on one of the computers and not the
> others and I can't tell where it comes from.
> 
> 1. How do I get it to the other installations (I don't see a "cursors
> file"?
> 
> 2. How can I embed it into the stack? I can insert either the image or
> button reference but there is no button for cursor.
> 
> Going crazy,

There are problems with using the cursors in the 1.1.1B1.

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scrolling Fields

[Stgecft]

I'd like to scroll 3 fields side by side (the look of a table-3 columns). 
How do I get them to scroll together?

Randy Kent
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Re: Can't do the math

[Bill Vlahos]

Thanks for the suggestions. This is, in fact, what worked. The field 
came up blank because there weren't any entries in the range (gotta 
check the data) and I had a typo.

Thanks,
Bill Vlahos

On Friday, March 1, 2002, at 02:27  PM, Yates, Glen wrote:

> When parsing words, multiple spaces are ignored, so word 3 ends up 
> being the
> first user in the group, not the group number you want to test against, 
> so
> try this instead.
>
>   set the itemDelimiter to ":"
>   repeat with x = 1 to the number of lines in varAllGroups
> if item 3 of line x of varAllGroups > 100 then
>   put first item of line x of varAllGroups & return after field
> "allgroups"
> end if
>   end repeat
>
> -Glen Yates
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Vlahos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 3:59 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Can't do the math
>
>
> Using Rev 1.1.1B1 on Mac OS X the if statement below doesn't work
> correctly.
> Here is the variable varAllGroups:
>
> root::0:root
> other::1:
> bin::2:root,bin,daemon
> sys::3:root,bin,sys,adm
>
> Here is the script:
>
>replace ":" with space in varAllGroups --to make words for parsing
>repeat with x = 1 to the number of lines in varAllGroups
>  if word 3 of line x of varAllGroups > 100 then
>put first word of line x of varAllGroups & return after field
> "allgroups"
>  end if
>end repeat
>
> The if statement doesn't do the math correctly. The lines 1, 3, and 4
> evaluate to true when they shouldn't.
>
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Speaking text and highlighting speaking text

[Glasgow, David]

Dear all,

two questions:

1/ I like to have my Mac read big blocks of statistical data (I have entered) back to 
me while I can scan the original to check for typos.  This saves having someone else 
read the screen, while I look at the paper, and is incredibly efficient.  I have never 
worked out to do this on my PC.  I thought it might be fun to make a cross platform 
data entry checker, with a few bells and whistles that Appleworks can't provide.  Of 
the many (mostly stupid) voices   available, I like Victoria. Before I start on the 
data checker, is this hard to implement under Windows?  Is there a WinVict dot 
something?  My PCs have never uttered a word to me.. I can't seem to find 
references to synthesised speech, but do recall it being mentioned previously on this 
list (or maybe MC)

2/ In some ways related, perhaps.  I have a psychological assessment that speaks the 
questions for people with a reading difficulty.  It speaks once automatically, and any 
additional number of times at the users request.  I highlight the whole sentence by 
colouring the text as the thing is read, and then it turns to black again.  Now, how 
would I highlight *words* as they are being read.  Like you get in Grandma and Me?  I 
have assumed that chopping up the Aiffs into words would be a silly way to go.  So 
perhaps I use QuickTime and colour/decolour words at particular points in the 
playback?  I know I could just experiment, but I am confident that someone out there 
must have tackled this previously.

BTW, great to see so many new users.  Nice to know the answers to a few questions for 
a change, too !

Best wishes,

David Glasgow
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Re: Mouse polling

[Scott Raney]

On Sun, 3 Mar 2002 =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >> I just don't understand how this can lead to any problem at all? A
> >> different mater is the following example:
> >>
> >> script:
> >> repeat while the mouse is down
> >> set the loc of field "grabMe" to the mouseLoc
> >> end repeat
> >
> > This is really the core of the problem: this loop uses 100% of the CPU
> > time, regardless of the speed of the processor, bringing the system to
> > its knees, causing poor feedback for your app, and making your system
> > unresponsive to any other processes running on it.  You see, on a fast
> > system, 99.99% of the time through that loop you're setting the loc to
> > exactly the same coordinate!
> 
> Ok I got it kinda, thanks to the 99.99 % ... but why exactly does it 
> bring the multiuser enviroment to its knees? I mean, the following 
> doesn't do any harm (as far as I know):
> 
> set the myOwnProperty of Stack "StackWithCustomProperties" to 0.001
> repeat until the myOwnProperty of Stack "StackWithCustomProperties" > 
> 0.234
>add 0.001 to the myOwnProperty  of Stack "StackWithCustomProperties"
> end repeat
> 
> so why is "the mouse" a system hog, but any other property isn't?

Because the second example is (presumably) actually doing some useful
work whereas the former isn't.  It will also complete at some point,
whereas something like running the "xy" handler in HyperCard (which
polls the mouseLoc in a repeat loop until a mouseClick), followed by
the user answering the phone or going to lunch or leaving for the day
won't.  The syadmin then gets a report that one of the systems on the
network is not responding to network requests, discovers a runaway
process on that system, removes the offending program from the system
and bans it, and possibly all MC/RR applications, from company
computers.  Then he or she posts an off-hand remark on some developer
newsgroup about this terrible program and we *all* find ourselves in
deep kim chee.  Anybody who thinks there's a big distance between
using "the programming tool for the rest of us" and "the programming
tool that's only suitable for people who don't know what they're doing
to develop toy applications " hasn't learned the one of the key
lessons from the demise of HyperCard.
  Regards,
Scott

> still confused
> Björnke von Gierke


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Problems with patterns

[JohnRule]

At 7:19 PM -0800 2/28/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>If I then transfer this stack to a Macintosh, the buttons
>>represent the pattern as if the pattern were the size of
>>the stack (or screen). In other words, the pattern is
>>reflected differently in every button on the Mac (the
>>pattern is not redrawn at a 0,0, coordinate for each button).

>Do you see this same result if you set the pattern property on the Mac (in
>other words, not transferring the stack)? Or is it only when transferring
>stacks that have had their pattern set on Windows?

Revolution Rev 1.1.1 B1
Windows 98SE
Mac OS 8.6, 9.1

Try this:

Create a pattern on a Windows machine (mine are 80 x 80 cells created in PhotoImpact), or any image file that would fit in a typical button will do.

Create a new main stack, and create three new buttons.

Import the pattern/image into Revolution.

Assign the 'image' as a pattern to the three buttons of the same size, stacked on top of one another.

Move the buttons around the screen (in edit mode)...the patterns remain the same.

Now save, and export to a Mac.

(On the Mac)
Problem number 1...the images are gone, you have to change the button type to 'Rectangle' or turn the border off for the pattern to show up.

Problem number 2...on my computer, I can actually move the buttons around the screen (in edit mode) and the pattern will change...as if the pattern is drawn in the background, and I am just seeing a portion of the pattern. It doesn't do this on my PC.

If I assign the pattern as an icon, it draws properly, but I lose the very important capability of having the button name appear in the middle of the button. Of course, I can import button images that have the text embedded into the image, but it increases my application by megabytes, and it is extremely tedious to maintain a database of on/off images for every single button (which could be thousands).


>Do you see this same result if you set the pattern property on the Mac (in
>other words, not transferring the stack)? 

It makes no difference if I create this from scratch on the Macintosh...it exhibits this behavior no matter what I do.

Please see if you can fix this...

Thank You,
JR

metacard for CGI

[andu]

I am putting together some documentation regarding the use of
metatalk/rev for CGI scripts and I wanted to ask the list for some
feedback:

-how many of you are currently using metatalk/rev for CGI
-the context(tasks performed) it is being used as well as the
environment (production/tests/platform)
-the approximate amount of traffic handled by the CGIs
-your location (if this is sensitive in any way, please send it to me
off the list, I only need this info for statistics)
-if any of you are using other script languages for CGI (PHP, ASP, etc.)
I'd appreciate some feedback as to how does metatalk/rev compare in
terms of productivity/performance with the other language(s)
-the main disadvantage you see in using metatalk/rev for CGI scripting
*besides some difficulty with debugging*

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"group" text deprecation?

[mvivit]

Good day...

I'm still hedging on making the jump to 1.1.1b1 with a large project that
makes extensive use of the "group" text property as well as associated
commands and messages. I see in the release notes for 1.1.1b1 that these
are being replaced with the "link" text style and related commands and
messages. Will the "group" suite continue to be supported for backwards
compatibility? Thanks!

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Re: Time Field (Please Help)

[Rob Cozens]

>With the *cancel* command, you can cancel your send command(s) in a closecard
>script.

Thanks Ted,

I suspected Scott wouldn't leave me holding the shot gun (or vice grips)
when I needed the laser-targeting scope rifle.  However, the original script

>on updateTime
>  put the long time into me
>  send updateTime to me in 1 second
>end updateTime

 must then be modified along the lines of

on updateTime
  global lastMessageId
  put the long time into me
  send updateTime to me in 1 second
  put the result into lastMessageId -- does the queue id get updated
correctly here?
end updateTime

on closeStack
  global lastMessageId
  cancel lastMessageId
end closeStack

My questions, again, are:

1.  Once the original handler runs once, will it continue to send an
updateTime message every second until the RR engine quits regardless of
what card or stack is in the current window?

2.  Will my modified handler correctly capture the queue id of the last
sent message?  If not, how does one capture the result when one uses "send
in..."?

3.  Wouldn't the other script I posted

>on updateTime
>   if there is a field "Now" then
>  put the long time into field "Now"
>  send updateTime to field "Now" in 1 second
>  end if
>end updateTime

Effectively stop any further updateTime messages from being sent once the
user leaves the current card or stack?

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

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Re: Speaking text and highlighting speaking text

[Terry Vogelaar]

> Before I start on the data checker, is this hard to implement under Windows?
> Is there a WinVict dot something?  My PCs have never uttered a word to
> me.. I can't seem to find references to synthesised speech

The Rolls Royce of synthetic speech is as far as I know RealSpeak. It is
available in 19 languages. I don't have a clue how it is implemented by the
system or what the price is, but it sure beats Victoria and those other
Apple synth voices. Too bad it is only PC/Linux (no Mac). You can test it at
http://www.lhsl.com/realspeak/demo/

Terry
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XMCD/XFCN

[yves COPPE]

Hello,

I use a Mac, G3 with Revolution 1.1.1b
System 9.1

I develop an app in Rev . On mainstack and differents substacks.
I've pasted with Resedit one XFCN from Fred. Rinaldi.

When I call this XFCN (from a script, in the runtime) I get 
intermittently a system error type 10.
I used this same XFCN earlier in HC without any problem.
I've allowed more memory to Rev, without any difference.

1° What's the meaning of this ?
2° Shall I meet the same after building the app ?
3° Any idea of what happens ?
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Greetings.

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Constraining 'grab'

[Ken Norris (dialup)]

Hello,

With all the jabber about mouse functions, I'm almost afraid to ask this
question:

If it's unwise to use 'the mouse' repeats to do it, then...How do I
constrain 'grab' to a rect (or any other) boundary?

Know what I mean? I don't want the user to drag the object out of bounds. I
looked through the docs and couldn't find an example.

Best regards,
ken N.




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3 megs of text

[Ralf Könner]

Dear List,

may be some of you might have the right solution for this task:

I have about 3 MB of text data in one single logfile which I need to parse
and do some maths for time and date manipulations with. I don't want to go
through every single line of it - it simply would take far too much time.

Each line has 3 items: gDate,gTime,"text_A" or "text_B" or "text_rubbish".

1.) I need to get rid of every line that contains "text_rubbish" (item 3).
2.) If "text_A" in line i is followed by "text_b" in line i+1 then add
(gTime of line i+1) minus (gTime of line i) to spentTime and 3.) put gDate
into dateList.

A 480 KB file took my G3/233 about 18 minutes to do this by using "normal"
repeat loops with 1 if-then-else statement inside.

Any ideas to speed this up?

Thank you very much for any help and best regards,

Ralf

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Re: Speaking text and highlighting speaking text

[Ken Norris (dialup)]

on 3/4/02 10:07 AM, Glasgow, David at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
s 
> this hard to implement under Windows?  Is there a WinVict dot something?  My
> PCs have never uttered a word to me.. I can't seem to find references to
> synthesised speech, but do recall it being mentioned previously on this list
> (or maybe MC)
> 
> 2/ In some ways related, perhaps.  I have a psychological assessment that
> speaks the questions for people with a reading difficulty.
--
Precisely my problem, too. What we need is a reliable text-to-speech
extension for PC's. A _major_ part of my current project is dependent on
this feature. I will be watching this thread with intense interest, and
contributing where I can.

Try this site:

< http://www.nextup.com >  ...includes links to AT&T voices, etc.

Also, Dragon Naturally Speaking software products is primarily known for
speech recognition, but many of their products contain text-to-speech:

< http://www.next-wave-solutions.com/dragvoicrecs.html >

Best regards, 
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Re: Time Field (Please Help)

[David Vaughan]

On Tuesday, March 5, 2002, at 07:29 , Rob Cozens wrote:
snip
> My questions, again, are:
>
> 1.  Once the original handler runs once, will it continue to send an
> updateTime message every second until the RR engine quits regardless of
> what card or stack is in the current window?
I have tested that it is sent to the correct object regardless of going 
to another card. I have not tested another stack but suspect it will. 
Must find out.
>
> 2.  Will my modified handler correctly capture the queue id of the last
> sent message?  If not, how does one capture the result when one uses 
> "send
> in..."?
...always has for me
>
> 3.  Wouldn't the other script I posted
>
>> on updateTime
>>   if there is a field "Now" then
>>  put the long time into field "Now"
>>  send updateTime to field "Now" in 1 second
>>  end if
>> end updateTime
>
> Effectively stop any further updateTime messages from being sent once 
> the
> user leaves the current card or stack?
Yes, with a minor editorial, to do with the words "to field "Now"" in 
the "send" line. Logically, if field "Now" is receiving the message then 
it must first exist, so the "if" test is superfluous. More likely, you 
are putting the handler in the card or stack script and the test is 
logical but "to field "Now"" is the wrong place to send it.
Of course I assume this fragment was just a concept on your part rather 
than the golden fruit of your finest coding hour :-)  and yes, the 
concept is fine. I was just caught by the semantics.

cheers
David
>
> Rob Cozens
> CCW, Serendipity Software Company
>
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> Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."
>
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Re: Constraining 'grab'

[David Vaughan]

Ken

See this stack from Scott Rossi for The Word on constrained dragging in canonical code:
http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/drag_sample.mc

He posted it a couple of weeks ago.

cheers
David

On Tuesday, March 5, 2002, at 09:06 , Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:

Hello,

With all the jabber about mouse functions, I'm almost afraid to ask this
question:

If it's unwise to use 'the mouse' repeats to do it, then...How do I
constrain 'grab' to a rect (or any other) boundary?

Know what I mean? I don't want the user to drag the object out of bounds. I
looked through the docs and couldn't find an example.

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Re: Time Field (Please Help)

[David Vaughan]

On Tuesday, March 5, 2002, at 09:49 , David Vaughan wrote:

> Yes, with a minor editorial,...
Whoops! I got caught on semantics of my own. The if test should always 
be true once the message is sent to the correct object, regardless of 
being on another card. Looks like you need to send forever and cancel on 
exit.
>
> cheers
> David
>>
>> Rob Cozens
>> CCW, Serendipity Software Company
>>
>> "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
>> Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."
>>
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Re: 3 megs of text

[Ken Norris (dialup)]

on 3/4/02 10:37 AM, Ralf Könner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
> Any ideas to speed this up?
--
lock screen

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Re: 3 megs of text

[David Vaughan]

Ralf

It appears you are treating the lines in pairs and are using "repeat 
with i = 1 to zillions". This will be insufferably slow for large data 
volumes, as you have discovered.

You can use the _vastly_ faster "repeat for each" using a switch to get 
line pairs before processing each pair. Try it on your 480KB file and 
you ought to be measuring time in tens of seconds rather than tens of 
minutes.

If you are processing all pairs rather than consecutive pairs (that is, 
lines 1,2, then 2,3 rather than 1,2 then 3,4) then it is even easier as 
no switch is needed; just keep the last read line in a prevLine and move 
currentLine to it before the next loop.

There is also a Filter command but it is inclusive rather than exclusive 
(i.e. I don't think you can say "all lines without text_rubbish") so 
let's see what this does first.

regards
David

On Tuesday, March 5, 2002, at 05:37 , Ralf Könner wrote:

> Dear List,
>
> may be some of you might have the right solution for this task:
>
> I have about 3 MB of text data in one single logfile which I need to 
> parse
> and do some maths for time and date manipulations with. I don't want to 
> go
> through every single line of it - it simply would take far too much 
> time.
>
> Each line has 3 items: gDate,gTime,"text_A" or "text_B" or 
> "text_rubbish".
>
> 1.) I need to get rid of every line that contains "text_rubbish" (item 
> 3).
> 2.) If "text_A" in line i is followed by "text_b" in line i+1 then add
> (gTime of line i+1) minus (gTime of line i) to spentTime and 3.) put 
> gDate
> into dateList.
>
> A 480 KB file took my G3/233 about 18 minutes to do this by using 
> "normal"
> repeat loops with 1 if-then-else statement inside.
>
> Any ideas to speed this up?
>
> Thank you very much for any help and best regards,
>
> Ralf
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Re: How to use tab UI widgets?

[Sarah Reichelt]

If you look at the User Contributions section of the Rev web site, you'll
find an example for using separate cards with tab controls. I find this much
easier than hiding & showing groups as the layout & editing of each is
separate and less confusing.

Sarah


> Hello,
> 
> I'm wondering how I use the tab widgets.  I create the widget, then drag
> some UI elements on to page 1 and now want to go to page 2 and do the same.
> 
> I've noticed that the widgets don't seem to be putting themselves on a tab
> pane.  
> 
> Please Help...
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: 3 megs of text

[Sarah Reichelt]

Can you sort the list by date & time? If so, you could try this:

put bigData into dataA
filter dataA with "*text_A*"
-- dataA only contains the lines with "text_A"

put bigData into dataB
filter dataB with "*text_B*"

put dataA & cr & dataB into shortData
sort lines of shortData dateTime by item 1 to 2 of each
-- now you just have the text_A & text_B lines

Then use David's suggestions for the main loop
- use repeat for each line
- store the previous line rather than re-finding it each time

OR use lineOffset to find the next text_A line and check the one after for
text_B

repeat
get lineOffset("text_A", shortData)
if it = 0 or shortData is empty then
-- you're finished
-- do whatever you want with the info

exit repeat  -- don't forget this or you'll be stuck in the loop
end if

if line it+1 of shortData contains "text_B" then
-- do your date & time stuff
end if

delete line 1 to it of shortData
end repeat

Note: the lineOffset approach might be fast enough even without the
preliminary filtering.

Hope this helps,
Sarah


> I have about 3 MB of text data in one single logfile which I need to parse
> and do some maths for time and date manipulations with. I don't want to go
> through every single line of it - it simply would take far too much time.
> 
> Each line has 3 items: gDate,gTime,"text_A" or "text_B" or "text_rubbish".
> 
> 1.) I need to get rid of every line that contains "text_rubbish" (item 3).
> 2.) If "text_A" in line i is followed by "text_b" in line i+1 then add
> (gTime of line i+1) minus (gTime of line i) to spentTime and 3.) put gDate
> into dateList.
> 
> A 480 KB file took my G3/233 about 18 minutes to do this by using "normal"
> repeat loops with 1 if-then-else statement inside.
> 
> Any ideas to speed this up?
> 
> Thank you very much for any help and best regards,
> 
> Ralf

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Re: Constraining 'grab'

[Ken Norris (dialup)]

on 3/4/02 2:56 PM, David Vaughan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Ken
> 
> See this stack from Scott Rossi for The Word on constrained dragging in
> canonical code:
> http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/drag_sample.mc
> 
> He posted it a couple of weeks ago.
--
Thanks. I'll have to play with the text of it, it wouldn't download. Nothing
I have would recognize it.

I tried to translate with StuffitDeluxe, but no go. Is it supposed to be a
download stack?

Ken N.

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Quicktime vs Animation

[Tim Chambers]

Troy

Thanks again, you're way beyond my competence at this point. I'm totally 
new to Revolution, animation and programming. Hypercard I can do, and if 
I could import the color stacks I'd do it all in Hypercard and transfer 
it to Revolution. Will keep experimenting with getting the images the 
way I want them then I'll get back to you.

It occurs to me that I could do the imagery and sound in Hypercard, make 
the Quicktime movies from there then import the movies to Revolution. 
But with the images being in PICT format, I wonder what they would look 
like on the Net.

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Re: Time Field (Please Help)

[Rob Cozens]

>My questions, again, are:

BTW, I  know I could figure this out with a little testing; but at the
present it's someone else's problem so lazy moi just asks...

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

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Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

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Debugging on MacOS 7.5

[Dan Friedman]

Greetings,

I am having reports of my REV application crashing on startUp on MacOS 7.5.
So, I installed 7.5 on an old Mac I have lying around and attempted to
install Revolution on it to debug.  Apparently, (according to the ReadMe)
REV wants to make an entry in the File Exchange Control Panel... But File
Exchange is NOT installed with 7.5.  When I run Rev, first I get "File File
Exchange Not found", then an Error 1.

Anyone got any ideas??

Any leads would be helpful!

DF

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Re: "group" text deprecation?

[Jeanne A. E. DeVoto]

At 12:10 PM -0800 3/4/2002, mvivit wrote:
>I'm still hedging on making the jump to 1.1.1b1 with a large project that
>makes extensive use of the "group" text property as well as associated
>commands and messages. I see in the release notes for 1.1.1b1 that these
>are being replaced with the "link" text style and related commands and
>messages. Will the "group" suite continue to be supported for backwards
>compatibility? Thanks!

Text that is grouped is automatically converted to linked style (that is,
if you query the textStyle of a grouped character, it will return "link").
So you may have to change your scripts if they check the textStyle of
clicked text.

If you want to avoid the special appearance of links (blue and underlined),
you will also need to set the linkColor and related properties for your
stacks.

Other than that, your stacks should keep working as they do now. "Group" is
a synonym for "link"; "showGroups" is a synonym for "underlineLinks". I
can't say whether these synonyms will be supported forever, but they will
be there in 1.1.1 and I don't know of any plans to remove them.

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Re: 3 megs of text

[Jeanne A. E. DeVoto]

At 10:37 AM -0800 3/4/2002, Ralf Könner wrote:
>Each line has 3 items: gDate,gTime,"text_A" or "text_B" or "text_rubbish".
>
>1.) I need to get rid of every line that contains "text_rubbish" (item 3).
>2.) If "text_A" in line i is followed by "text_b" in line i+1 then add
>(gTime of line i+1) minus (gTime of line i) to spentTime and 3.) put gDate
>into dateList.
>
>A 480 KB file took my G3/233 about 18 minutes to do this by using "normal"
>repeat loops with 1 if-then-else statement inside.

Can you post the handler here? I can think of a number of possibilities for
speeding things up, but they may be things you've done already.

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Re: XMCD/XFCN

[Jeanne A. E. DeVoto]

At 1:23 PM -0800 3/4/2002, yves COPPE wrote:
>I develop an app in Rev . On mainstack and differents substacks.
>I've pasted with Resedit one XFCN from Fred. Rinaldi.
>
>When I call this XFCN (from a script, in the runtime) I get
>intermittently a system error type 10.
>I used this same XFCN earlier in HC without any problem.
>I've allowed more memory to Rev, without any difference.

I'm not sure why this is happening but have you queried Rinaldi? He might
have an insight.

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Re: Debugging on MacOS 7.5

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Dan Friedman wrote:

> I am having reports of my REV application crashing on startUp on MacOS 7.5.
> So, I installed 7.5 on an old Mac I have lying around and attempted to
> install Revolution on it to debug.

If you can determine this, check the underlying version of MetaCard.
MetaCard 2.3 and earlier should run on MacOS 7.6 and earlier, but the latest
versions of MC won't work.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director

Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: Constraining 'grab'

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:

>> http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/drag_sample.mc
>> 
>> He posted it a couple of weeks ago.
> --
> Thanks. I'll have to play with the text of it, it wouldn't download. Nothing
> I have would recognize it.
> 
> I tried to translate with StuffitDeluxe, but no go. Is it supposed to be a
> download stack?

Since you appear to be on a Mac, just go to
   http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/
control click on the drag_sample link and choose "Download Link to Disk" or
equivalent.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director

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Re: 3 megs of text

[Geoff Canyon]

At 10:24 AM +1100 3/5/02, David Vaughan wrote:
>You can use the _vastly_ faster "repeat for each" using a switch to get line pairs 
>before processing each pair. Try it on your 480KB file and you ought to be measuring 
>time in tens of seconds rather than tens of minutes.

David's words bear repeating -- in fact, I'm repeating myself right now :-)

_Every_ loop that parses text should use "repeat for each." The speed increase will 
amaze you. If you also need to keep track of the line|word|item number, set a variable 
to 0 before the loop and add 1 to it each time through.

regards,

Geoff

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Re: Constraining 'grab'

[Geoff Canyon]

At 2:06 PM -0800 3/4/02, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:
>If it's unwise to use 'the mouse' repeats to do it, then...How do I
>constrain 'grab' to a rect (or any other) boundary?
>
>Know what I mean? I don't want the user to drag the object out of bounds. I
>looked through the docs and couldn't find an example.

local tDragging

on mouseDown
put true into tDragging
end mouseDown

on mouseMove mouseX,mouseY
if tDragging then
-- Do bounds checking here --
set the loc of me to (mouseX,mouseY)
end if
end mouseMove

on mouseUp
stopDragging
end mouseUp

on mouseRelease
stopDragging
end mouseRelease

on stopDragging
put false into tDragging
end stopDragging

Note that you will likely want to get the offset of the mouse from the loc of the 
object in the mouseDown in order to maintain that offset while dragging. Otherwise the 
object will snap to the mouseLoc at mouseDown.

regards,

Geoff

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Re: Constraining 'grab'

[David Vaughan]

On Tuesday, March 5, 2002, at 12:14 , Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:

> on 3/4/02 2:56 PM, David Vaughan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Ken
>>
>> See this stack from Scott Rossi for The Word on constrained dragging in
>> canonical code:
>> http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/drag_sample.mc
>>
>> He posted it a couple of weeks ago.
> --
> Thanks. I'll have to play with the text of it, it wouldn't download. 
> Nothing
> I have would recognize it.
>
> I tried to translate with StuffitDeluxe, but no go. Is it supposed to 
> be a
> download stack?

Ken

It's a metacard stack, but same thing. Change the extension to ".rev" 
rather than ".mc" after downloading then ask Rev to open it. It is quite 
small, and should download easily. I have e-mailed my copy directly to 
you as well.

cheers
David
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Re: Constraining 'grab'

[Geoff Canyon]

At 5:14 PM -0800 3/4/02, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:
>on 3/4/02 2:56 PM, David Vaughan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Ken
>> 
>> See this stack from Scott Rossi for The Word on constrained dragging in
>> canonical code:
>> http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/drag_sample.mc
>> 
>> He posted it a couple of weeks ago.
>--
>Thanks. I'll have to play with the text of it, it wouldn't download. Nothing
>I have would recognize it.
>
>I tried to translate with StuffitDeluxe, but no go. Is it supposed to be a
>download stack?

Try option-clicking on it, to download it in binary. Then you should be able to open 
it from within Revolution.

regards,

Geoff

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Re: Time Field (Please Help)

[David Vaughan]

On Tuesday, March 5, 2002, at 01:55 , Jacqueline Landman Gay wrote:

>
> ... if a user moves to another card without a field named "now", there 
> would probably be an error when the updateTime handler tries to access 
> a field that no longer exists on the card

Jacqueline

Clarifying your "...probably be an error...", let's say the object 
containing the handler is on card 1 as is the field "now" to update. If 
you are on card 2 the message is still sent correctly to the object on 
card 1 but will break with an error because the field to update is not 
on card 2. Testing " if there is a field "now"... " solves this error 
problem and keeps the cycle running, although no update will occur until 
you return to card 1.

regards
David
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Re: Debugging on MacOS 7.5

[Dan Friedman]

Scott,

I'm not sure how to check the "underlying version of MetaCard".  I'm Using
Revolution 1.1, if that helps?

>> I am having reports of my REV application crashing on startUp on MacOS 7.5.
>> So, I installed 7.5 on an old Mac I have lying around and attempted to
>> install Revolution on it to debug.
> 
> If you can determine this, check the underlying version of MetaCard.
> MetaCard 2.3 and earlier should run on MacOS 7.6 and earlier, but the latest
> versions of MC won't work.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> 
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: Debugging on MacOS 7.5

[Scott Raney]

On Mon, 04 Mar 2002 Scott Rossi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Recently, Dan Friedman wrote:
> 
> > I am having reports of my REV application crashing on startUp on MacOS 7.5.
> > So, I installed 7.5 on an old Mac I have lying around and attempted to
> > install Revolution on it to debug.
> 
> If you can determine this, check the underlying version of MetaCard.
> MetaCard 2.3 and earlier should run on MacOS 7.6 and earlier, but the latest
> versions of MC won't work.

Actually the latest ones do again (2.4, the first version with Carbon
support, made Appearance Manager calls that aren't in 7.x that caused
crashes).  And as I recall you could always run the 68K engine on
7.X.  You probably won't be able to install or run RR there, though,
just MetaCard and/or your standalone application.
  Regards,
Scott

> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> 
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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