Re: Exporting Vector Graphics

[Richard Gaskin]

Jim Hurley wrote:

> This ability to export vector graphics would be at the very top of my
> wish list for RR.
> 
> You are able to do this in Super Card. Export the graphic. Import it
> into a graphics program. Ungroup it and then edit it like any other
> vector graphic.

I miss it too, but as a Mac-specific tool this was simple for SC, relying as
it does on the PICT format.

But in a multi-platform world, the question is:  Which vector format is
widely supported across all three OS families?

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Exporting Vector Graphics

[Jim Hurley]

I was wondering whether anyone has any information in regards to
exporting Revolution graphic objects in a VECTOR format (ie, PICT, EPS,
.wmf, etc.).

As far as I can see, the export and save functions only deal with
low-resolution raster images (bitmaps).

I'm producing GRAPHS that need to be imported into Word, both on the
Mac and in Windows. I've written some routines which draw beautiful
graphs in Revolution. These graphs are groups of objects, which include
'graphics', 'images' and 'fields'. I've obtained incredible results,
however, unless I can get these into Word - in a format that is
suitable for professional printing - then the whole project will have
to be dropped (or worse, moved to RealBasic...).

Please HELP!

Kind Regards,
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Hi Igor,

This ability to export vector graphics would be at the very top of my 
wish list for RR.

You are able to do this in Super Card. Export the graphic. Import it 
into a graphics program. Ungroup it and then edit it like any other 
vector graphic.

Some 10 years ago I used this extensively to programmatically 
generate vector diagrams of optical ray paths for journal 
publication. Worked beautifully.

If the graphic is not too complex there is a poor man's version 
available in RR. Take a screen shot of the graphic. (As we have seen 
recently, this list is willing, indeed eager, to provide the answer 
to this question.) Open this bit map image in your graphic program 
and then trace the image with vector tools. As I said, a poor man's 
solution.

Jim

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Re: Passing mouse events

[xian]

Thanks a lot Ken, that's an excellent suggestion, and probably how I 
will do this from now on! What I actually ended up doing this time was 
to use the "set blendLevel to xxx" command on the top object to get me 
the needed results. I would have done it the way you suggested, but I 
had s many images already sliced up and ready to use, except they 
weren't all the exact same size.

Thanks again,
Christian


On Thursday, January 23, 2003, at 06:17  PM, Ken Ray wrote:

Christian,

One approach is to not add an overlay on top of an image, but to swap 
images
in a single image object. This would give you the transparency, the 
single
object that would have a script, but be able to use different images. 
For
example, suppose you had three graphics: one "normal" (not glowing), 
one
"pushed in" (glowing), and one "popped out" (glowing). You could then 
do
something like this:

-- Script of the image with "normal" showing
-- local property "glowing" keeps track of state

on mouseDown
  put img "pushed in" into me
end mouseDown

on mouseUp
  if the glowing of me is true then
put img "normal" into me
set the glowing of me to false
  else
put img "popped out" into me
set the glowing of me to true
  end if
end mouseUp

Oh - one thing - it helps if the images are all the same size.

Hope this helps,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
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- Original Message -
From: "xian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 6:25 PM
Subject: Passing mouse events


Hi all, I am trying to create some cool custom button effects with Rev
right now but I have a question. First, I'll explain how my buttons
work...

Their appearance are big aqua inspired shapes, meant for use in a
touchscreen application. When the user touches a button I have semi
transparent overlays that become visible that give the appearance that
the button is not only "pushed in" but it also glows bright. When the
user releases their finger from the screen, the button pops back out
but remains lit up with another semi transparent overlay (dimmer than
the glow effect overlay). Then if the user pushes the button again,
same effects happen but the button goes back to it's non-lit state.

So, my problem is that when the "lit up" overlay becomes visible, it
blocks the mouse events to the button that is underneath it. Is it
possible to pass all mouse events from one object to another? Or maybe
make an object "invisible" to mouse events? Or is their perhaps a
better way of doing what I'm trying to accomplish altogether?

BTW, I can't use normal buttons with custom icon rollover effects
because my buttons are mostly round and I only want them to be
activated by their shape, not the square of a button. This is why I'm
using transparent .png files.

TIA!
Christian

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CMMS Software

[Sannyasin Sivakatirswami]

Has anyone built a robust CMMS in Revolution or Metacard?

TMA is the best, (www.tmasystems.com) and the demo is fantastic... but 
they want $5,000.00 (!) and while the complexity of the need here is 
comparable to that of any large institution (like a 10 acre 
university), we aren't that big in terms of size or budgets.

Sannyasin Sivakatirswami
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Another group question

[Mark Swindell]

I have a single menu group that I want placed on all cards in my stack.
I've disengaged it from being a subgroup of a larger group and placed it on
one card.  But when I go to place it on the other cards, it doesn't show up
in the Place Menu, and when I type "Place group theOnlyMenu" into the
message box I get an error.  What am I missing?  I can copy and paste it,
however.

Thanks
Mark

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Re: Two questions: Rev Menus: Select All

[Mark Swindell]

Merci beaucoup to all who clarified this afternoon.  I didn't know about the
-1,-2, etc.  I feel so enlightened (and so eternally ignorant, at once.)  Oh
well.  :)

Mark

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RE: Stack won't enlarge under Windows

[Chipp Walters]

Howard,

oops, posted too quick. The windowboundingrect isn't the property you're
looking for.

Just curious, did you insert this menu using Rev's Menu Manager?

Why not just check for platform = win32 and reset the height of the stack?

-Chipp

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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Howard
> Bornstein
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:54 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Stack won't enlarge under Windows
>
>
> I've got a stack with a menubar that's on all cards and set (as a group)
> to have background behavior. Under the Mac OS, the menu is properly
> hidden from appearing on the stack. Under Windows, the menu appears on
> the stack, and the rest of the screen is scrolled down, but the overall
> size of the stack doesn't increase the required 22 pixels. So the bottom
> of the stack is cut off.
>
> Any idea why the stack won't resize properly?
>
> Howard Bornstein
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RE: Stack won't enlarge under Windows

[Chipp Walters]

check the windowboundingrect property...

chipp

> -Original Message-
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> Bornstein
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 4:50 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Stack won't enlarge under Windows
>
>
> >Did you check the maxHeight of the stack to see what its value is? That
> >might be what's responsible...
>
>
> Yes, it's set at 65535, so that shouldn't be limiting things. I've made
> lots of Windows builds before and they always adjusted the stack properly
> by displaying the menubar and then extending the stack down 22 pixels to
> allow all of the stack to be shown. I can't figure out why this one is
> different. ??? (I know I can force it by checking for platform and
> manually adjusting the stack size on preopen, but I obviously shouldn't
> have to)
>
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Re: StartUp handler on Windows

[erik hansen]

--- "Wolfgang M. Bereuter"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > is a "splash screen" always a seperate stack
> Have a look at the rev archive.

ok.

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Re: re HTML posting

[erik hansen]

--- David Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On another list, I found this reference to a
> site which discusses why 
> not to post in HTML and how to turn it off in a
> wide range of mail 
> packages. This may help.
> 
> www.expita.com/nomime.html

thank you.

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Re: Too many clicks

[Greg Wills]

Thanks Klaus

I enjoy your many contributions to the list and this one for me was 
an instant fix. Your response was way too quick for me to reply on 
the day. I hadn't checked out the usercontributions for a while and 
got wonderfully side tracked in the process. Thanks again, I am now 
back on track and single clicks are the order of the day.

regards
Greg


Hi Greg,


 Hi All
 Hope the new year is being good to you so far.

 I'm having difficulty locating the correct term to stop multiple 
 clicks before a script is run.

 In a dice type game, students are to click on a button to roll the 
 dice. Some students are clicking on the button more than once and this 
 is causing multiple rolling of the dice. Can anyone suggest the 
 term/script to lock out any further clicks until the next click is 
 needed - after a sub stack is shown, answered and then return to the 
 main stack.

 regards
 Greg

known problem. The result of a "higher" eduction ;-)


Check this out:

http://www.runrev.com/revolution/developers/developerdownloads/
usercontributions.html

Look for:

Intercepting mouseUps v3.0



This might help you get the idea...

Hope that helps.


Regards

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Re: Stack won't enlarge under Windows

[Howard Bornstein]

>Did you check the maxHeight of the stack to see what its value is? That
>might be what's responsible...


Yes, it's set at 65535, so that shouldn't be limiting things. I've made 
lots of Windows builds before and they always adjusted the stack properly 
by displaying the menubar and then extending the stack down 22 pixels to 
allow all of the stack to be shown. I can't figure out why this one is 
different. ??? (I know I can force it by checking for platform and 
manually adjusting the stack size on preopen, but I obviously shouldn't 
have to)

Howard Bornstein

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re HTML posting

[David Vaughan]

On another list, I found this reference to a site which discusses why 
not to post in HTML and how to turn it off in a wide range of mail 
packages. This may help.

www.expita.com/nomime.html

regards
David

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Re: Find Item's Line w/offset

[mark mitchell]

Jeanne wrote:


 So is there
anyway to convert from item number to a line number of a container?


set the wholeMatches to true
put itemOffset(whatToFind,theContainer) into myItemNumber
put the number of lines in (item 1 to myItemNumber of theContainer) \
   into theItemLine


That's beautiful in its simplicity.  Thanks Jeanne!  For those 
interested in cross-referencing and documentation this might be an 
interesting example.  There is no reference to the above under 'items', 
'itemoffset' , "lines" or "number".  I already knew 'put the number of 
lines' but it never occurred to me to try it here.  A kind of 
einstellung effect perhaps.

mark mitchell
Japan

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Re: 2 questions: Looking at Rev menu scripts - command A

[Dar Scott]

On Friday, January 24, 2003, at 01:07 PM, Dar Scott wrote:


select line 1 to -1 of the target


Negative chunk references count from the last with the last being -1.


Oh, and line 1 to -1 is not exactly the same as char 1 to -1.

Dar Scott

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Re: 2 questions: Looking at Rev menu scripts - command A

[Ken Ray]

Mark,

> BTW Could someone explain the logic behind this expression for me? (I
found
> it in a list search, and it seems to do the trick.)
>
>   case "Select All"
> select line 1 to -1 of the target
> break

This is intended for a currently open field, and it selects from the first
line to the last line of the target field (negative chunks are read from the
end of the container).

So for example:

  put char -3 to -1 of "My Picture.jpg"

puts "jpg" in the Message Box.

Hope this helps,

Ken Ray
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Re: 2 questions: Looking at Rev menu scripts - command A

[Jeanne A. E. DeVoto]

At 11:55 AM -0800 1/24/03, Mark Swindell wrote:
>How can one take a peek at the scripts behind the rev menus?  I wanted to
>see how they script a select all (command A) for my own stack, as an
>example.

The menus are contained in a stack called "revmenus". You can either access
this stack in the App Overview, or use a statement like the following in
the message box:

  edit script of button "File" of stack "revmenubar"

(substitute whatever menu name you want to look at for "File")



>BTW Could someone explain the logic behind this expression for me? (I found
>it in a list search, and it seems to do the trick.)
>
>  case "Select All"
>select line 1 to -1 of the target
>break

I assume you're puzzled about the second line. In chunk expressions, a
minus sign means "from the end" of the string, so "line -1" of something is
the last line. (Other examples: "char -2" is the second-to-last character,
"item -4" is the fourth-to-last item, etc.)

"select line 1 to -1" means "select all the lines" of the target field.

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Re: VS: newbie: how play sounds in RR

[Ken Norris (dialup)]

**
Domo arigato.
--
> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:51:18 +0100
> Subject: Re: VS: newbie: how play sounds in RR
> From: Klaus Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> This will list some info about the multimedia-possibility on windows.
>
> on mouseUp
> put mciSendString("sysinfo all quantity") into xMax
> put empty into fld "deviceNames"
> repeat with x = 1 to xMax
> put "sysinfo all name" && x into commandString
> put mciSendString(commandString) & return after fld "deviceNames"
> end repeat
> end mouseUp
--
I'll hang on to it.
--
> This is what it returned on my PC (Windows 98SE, Internet Explorer 6):
> 
> MPEGVideo2
> MPEGVideo
> avivideo
> waveaudio
> sequencer
> cdaudio
> 
> I recently de-installed quicktime from my Celeron 466 (yes, my
> development pc ;-)
> and could play mp3, wav, au, avi (even divx!), and mpg videos (hate to
> say, but they
> played much smoother than with QT ;-) without problems in players.
--
Tht's interesting. I do so much Mac stuff, I tend to use .mov files for
lots of stuff, and QT Pro offers so many ways of manipulating them.

But I want to explore search parameters for DAISY/MP3. I need to explore
RR's controls for various formats.
--
> Have a nice weekend.
--
And you as well.

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Re: 2 questions: Looking at Rev menu scripts - command A

[Dar Scott]

On Friday, January 24, 2003, at 12:55 PM, Mark Swindell wrote:


select line 1 to -1 of the target


Negative chunk references count from the last with the last being -1.

Dar Scott

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Re: Building MacOS X apps in Rev 1.1.1r2

[Alex Rice]

On Friday, January 24, 2003, at 12:07  PM, Ben Rubinstein wrote:


This tip was originally posted last July, so I'm assuming that it 
doesn't
relate to the next version of Rev but should be possible with the 
current
one.  So can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong, or how I can get Rev
1.1.1r2 to build OS X apps which are at least recognised as 
Applications,
and preferably which are packages that I can then apply Ken's tip to?

Rev 1.1.1 can't do it for you.

But you can put your rev app in an application bundle for OS X. That's 
what I'm doing, with a Rev 1.1.1 app, and it works fine. This has been 
touched upon several times in recent months on this list.

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RE:Undocumented image problem 2

[Malte Brill]

Just Curious...

Have you ever tried export for web and chosen jpeg there?

Regards,

Malte

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Re: Undocumented image problem 2

[Howard Bornstein]

>Is the difference that Photoshop is making them as progressive JPEGs?  The
>spec for progressive JPEG is reportedly a littly sloppy, and is not
>supported in the MC engine.  Standard non-progressive JPEGs should
>work,though.

Interesting thought. I don't actually know how to make a progressive jpeg 
in Photoshop. I just choose the jpeg format popup upon saving. It's only 
got one flavor.

Would opening such a jpeg in GraphicsConverter and resaving as a jpeg 
make it "less progressive" (non-progressive, regressive)?

Howard Bornstein

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Re: OT --Re: Serendipity Library Update 20030123

[Rob Cozens]

I will be pleased to continue this off line.


I've contacted  Bob offlist.
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Re: URL Keyword writing to server

[Jan Schenkel]

--- sjoel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi, 
> 
>  
> 
> I am having a problem using URL keyword to write to
> a particular server,
> even though I can use URL keyword to read from it. 
> 
>  
> 
> I am using the following to access and write to the
> server:
> 
>  
> 
> put field "Results" into URL
> "http://quest.computing.dundee.ac.uk/frr/test.txt
>  "
> 
>  
> 
> Please can someone explain why this doesn't work,
> and what alternatives I
> can try?
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Sian Joel
> 

Hi there down under ;-)

Even though you can read files via the 'http'
protocol, you will have to upload files to your
website via the 'ftp' protocol ; so try something like
this:

  put field "Results" into URL
"ftp://username:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/frr/test.txt";

Hope this helped,

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Re: Exporting Vector Graphics

[Alex Rice]

On Thursday, January 23, 2003, at 10:38  PM, Igor de Oliveira Couto 
wrote:

I'm producing GRAPHS that need to be imported into Word, both on the 
Mac and in Windows. I've written some routines which draw beautiful 
graphs in Revolution. These graphs are groups of objects, which 
include 'graphics', 'images' and 'fields'. I've obtained incredible 
results, however, unless I can get these into Word - in a format that 
is suitable for professional printing - then the whole project will 
have to be dropped (or worse, moved to RealBasic...).

If you print to PDF, does the drawing come out as vectors or bitmaps? 
PDF is postscript-like and so is entirely vector-based. But bitmaps can 
be embedded I think.

Just out of curiosity, what advantage would realbasic have in this 
requirement?


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URL Keyword writing to server

[sjoel]

Hi, 

 

I am having a problem using URL keyword to write to a
particular server, even though I can use URL keyword to read from it. 

 

I am using the following to access and write to the server:

 

put field "Results" into URL "http://quest.computing.dundee.ac.uk/frr/test.txt"

 

Please can someone explain why this doesn't work, and
what alternatives I can try?

 

Regards,

Sian Joel

 

 

 

 

Re: StartUp handler on Windows

[Wolfgang M. Bereuter]

On Freitag, Jänner 24, 2003, at 01:18  Uhr, erik hansen wrote:


ja dass hilft. eine frage:
is a "splash screen" always a seperate stack or

is not - but should be, because of the problem that it cannot save 
itself on WIN and *nix.
Does the term also apply to a single card used in
this manner?

I dont think so, because of the saving issue. try it with a substack...
But i think, here are a lot of experts which can explain this better 
than me. Have a look at the rev archive. If I remember well we had this 
issue a lot of times in the last years...

regards
Wolfgang M. Bereuter

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Re: VS: newbie: how play sounds in RR

[Klaus Major]

Konichi-wa Norris-san,


Hi folks,

May I jump into this one?


Sure, may i see your ticket, please? ;-)


...
You can also use a player-object to play sounds, even without QT.
Then you might have to place that player in some backgroud that
is available on every card.

---
Well then, is there a way to check for a default player, then create a
subroutine path to open and play a file with it? Seems easiest with 
QT, but
I don't know Windows very well.

I am not sure if i get you right...

You can check some multimedia-features with the "mcisendstring".

But i don't know how that exactly works or how one can use that to see 
what
formats are being supported on windows.

Here is a script from an old "mcisendstring" i found in my archives.
Don't know if it is still available somewhere.

This will list some info about the multimedia-possibility on windows.

on mouseUp
  put mciSendString("sysinfo all quantity") into xMax
  put empty into fld "deviceNames"
  repeat with x = 1 to xMax
put "sysinfo all name" && x into commandString
put mciSendString(commandString) & return after fld "deviceNames"
  end repeat
end mouseUp

This is what it returned on my PC (Windows 98SE, Internet Explorer 6):

MPEGVideo2
MPEGVideo
avivideo
waveaudio
sequencer
cdaudio

I recently de-installed quicktime from my Celeron 466 (yes, my 
development pc ;-)
and could play mp3, wav, au, avi (even divx!), and mpg videos (hate to 
say, but they
played much smoother than with QT ;-) without problems in players.

(But still don't know exactly the relationship between the list above 
and the
supported formats, except what's obvious... MPEGVideo2 = MP3 ???)

I just set the filename of a player to these files and it just worked.

But that does not support "controllers", which is something one can 
live with...

Hope that helps a bit...

This kind of thing is important to me, too.

TIA,
Ken N.


Have a nice weekend.


Regards

Klaus Major
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[Mathewson]

Just so, Prabhu!

However, my problem (which I am afraid I did not make
explicit), concerns embedded images not external ones.

Richmond Mathewson
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