Re: Windows sound and music--help!
Hi Chipp, Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:15:47 -0500 From: Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Windows sound and music--help! Except where it comes to synthetic voices...Windows shines over Mac with ATT Natural Voices: http://www.naturalvoices.att.com/demos/ (choose Mike) -- I don't think so. I tried them on both platforms and thought they were the same. Maybe your Win box is hooked up to a better sound system. There are two other important items to consider: 1) It's not the platform in this case, but the ATT voice engine that does the work. It's a great voice engine, no doubt about that. 2) That engine doesn't come with the Windows operating system. Should I expect my potential clients to have to purchase extra software for a chunk of $$? === NOTE: I actually can't find a price for ATT Natural Voices. WIZARD is the site ATT touts as a dealer, but there aren't any prices I could find. Apparently they expect you to buy voice fonts and the SDK without knowing what they cost. If anyone has another purchase site, please let me know (offlist if you like). === See what I mean? What should I say? I'm sorry, you can't use this unless you BUY ATT Natural Voices for Windows? Believe me, that won't go over well. OTOH, the Mac's built-in voices are plenty good enough to use for our purposes. If Windows came with voices of ATT quality, along with a few other things, I might seriously think about changing my own personal development platform some day, but that ain't how it is. I just wish it came with something more than it has, is all. Windows XP isn't that cheap, and the newest SAPI apparently broke the revSpeak function. 'Course we still have yet to find out what might be broken on the Mac under Panther, eh? Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Panther problems
On Oct 25, 2003, at 7:28 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: Allo There, I'm not sure this is a bug ! This kind of thing happen under Linux too. I don't have Panther installed for yet but it seems it could be an new unix compliance feature of Panther, where the files have to be associated with apps trough mime types links. No, I think it is a bug. Mac OS X doesn't use MIME types for associating files. It uses filename extensions, and it uses resource information like MacOS creator codes. I'm not aware of any other apps on Mac OS X that are like Rev: usually fails to bind to it's document type (.rev files). It seems the problems already existed maybe just worse under Panther. Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windows sound and music--help!
Howdy tuviah, Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:28:53 -0400 From: Tuviah Snyder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Windows sound and music--help! Except where it comes to synthetic voices...Windows shines over Mac with ATT Natural Voices: http://www.naturalvoices.att.com/demos/ (choose Mike) Too bad Rev can't use 'em! Sure it can, the TTS engine supports SAPI 4. -- Really? I thought they req'd a separate SDK. Can you show us an example somewhere? BTW, I haven't suceeded with any TTS in Windows XP...so is it true it won't work? TIA, Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: First Edited Threads Posted - Reactions?
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:59:18 +0200 Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] How to use Revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: First Edited Threads Posted - Reactions?Reply-To: How to use Revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Dan and Dar, On Saturday, October 25, 2003, at 02:40 PM, Dan Shafer wrote: I've posted the first dozen message threads from this list in edited, threaded form on my Web site at http://www.revolutionpros.com. Click on Best of List in the top nav to see them. Some seems amiss. I see a description of a book called Raising the Dead. Yes, there are some bugs, but to call it Dead...? :-) Dar Scott Have a nice weekend... Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Hi Dan and Dar, On Saturday, October 25, 2003, at 02:40 PM, Dan Shafer wrote: I've posted the first dozen message threads from this list in edited, threaded form on my Web site at http://www.revolutionpros.com. Click on Best of List in the top nav to see them. Some seems amiss. I see a description of a book called Raising the Dead. Yes, there are some bugs, but to call it Dead...? :-) Dar Scott Have a nice weekend... Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.major-k.de There seems to be a link problem; I ended up at the same site as you did, Klaus. So,I then typed the URL directly into my browser and got to the correct site. DJ http://Game.37.com/ --- Free Games http://newJoke.com/ --- J O K E S ! ! ! ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to use Rev with Media Player - anyone got a guide?
Hi Ken, Hi Klaus, Stephen, et al, Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:27:44 +0200 From: Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How to use Rev with Media Player - anyone got a guide? my wife is a teacher and they simply use their machines as the come and never add things like QT to them. Sad, but true... -- Windows comes with Media Player. If you have QT aboard, you should be able to write sound files in Rev that will play in WMP. I've done that on my Mac, i.e., created sound files with Rev using QT, then played them back in MediaPlayer (for Mac). I'm not sure (no PIMP ehm WIMP on my mac ;-) but i guess that MP for mac uses the same codecs as QT on the mac (besides its own ones ), therefore you can playback these sounds on the mac... RR on the mac only suports QT as the multimedia-engine, so i think they are probably QT codecs, that will not play on win in the WMP... QT shares its resources etc..., read MP Mac can use them, but WMP does NOT share its codecs... Means QT cannot play WMA files on the mac like the MP can... WMP is a bit selfish... ;-) I assume they should also play back on WMP in Windows on a PC. I doubt ;-) If not, why not? See above... Ken N. Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Panther problems
FWIW Actually, I think it is possibly not a bug. Not completely. Like I said, this did not happen to me until I did my first set of Builds AND when you look in the 'Open with' contextual menu you will notice that the list only contains those items that are builds. So this tells me that when I did the build I needed to change the codes - because right now they are acting like Revolution and as such are competing with revolution for the 'Open with' command. 1. I remember something like this happening in Supercard in OS9(Supercard projects were taking on the wrong icons when not built into a standalone). (I had to change either the creator code or was it the other code) 2. The behavior of the OS however is a bit odd. When set to always open with it should stay and it does not. ( I don't see how that can be the fault 'bug' of Rev.) Tom On Sunday, October 26, 2003, at 01:52 AM, Alex Rice wrote: On Oct 25, 2003, at 7:28 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: Allo There, I'm not sure this is a bug ! This kind of thing happen under Linux too. I don't have Panther installed for yet but it seems it could be an new unix compliance feature of Panther, where the files have to be associated with apps trough mime types links. No, I think it is a bug. Mac OS X doesn't use MIME types for associating files. It uses filename extensions, and it uses resource information like MacOS creator codes. I'm not aware of any other apps on Mac OS X that are like Rev: usually fails to bind to it's document type (.rev files). It seems the problems already existed maybe just worse under Panther. Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
revUpdateGeometry
I am trying to set two different window sizes, one for the smaller iMax and one for all larger screens. I have used the Geometry manager to resize various controls for the two window sizes. (I set min and max window sizes.) It works well when I manually resize the window for each card. But I would like to run through all the cards in a preopenstack handler in a way which is invisible to the user. However when I use the following repeat with i = 1 to the number of cards send revUpdateGeometry to card i end repeat only the current card gets the message. When I use Lock screen repeat with i = 1 to the number of cards go to card i revUpdateGeometry end repeat unlock screen each card gets the messages but the screen doesn't lock. Question: How do I update update the geometry of each card without flashing through each card? Thanks, Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Panther problems
item 1. below - I meant a standalone that I had changed the creator type for. On Sunday, October 26, 2003, at 08:34 AM, Thomas J McGrath III wrote: FWIW Actually, I think it is possibly not a bug. Not completely. Like I said, this did not happen to me until I did my first set of Builds AND when you look in the 'Open with' contextual menu you will notice that the list only contains those items that are builds. So this tells me that when I did the build I needed to change the codes - because right now they are acting like Revolution and as such are competing with revolution for the 'Open with' command. 1. I remember something like this happening in Supercard in OS9(Supercard projects were taking on the wrong icons when not built into a standalone). (I had to change either the creator code or was it the other code) 2. The behavior of the OS however is a bit odd. When set to always open with it should stay and it does not. ( I don't see how that can be the fault 'bug' of Rev.) Tom On Sunday, October 26, 2003, at 01:52 AM, Alex Rice wrote: On Oct 25, 2003, at 7:28 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: Allo There, I'm not sure this is a bug ! This kind of thing happen under Linux too. I don't have Panther installed for yet but it seems it could be an new unix compliance feature of Panther, where the files have to be associated with apps trough mime types links. No, I think it is a bug. Mac OS X doesn't use MIME types for associating files. It uses filename extensions, and it uses resource information like MacOS creator codes. I'm not aware of any other apps on Mac OS X that are like Rev: usually fails to bind to it's document type (.rev files). It seems the problems already existed maybe just worse under Panther. Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J McGrath III Advanced Media Group 220 Drake Rd. Bethel Park, PA 15102 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Panther problems
Alex Rice wrote: I think previous threads about app bundles on OS X show that a lot of Rev developers don't want to or aren't able to grok application bundles and .plist xml files. Agreed: Apple has chosen another novelty solution that makes delivering applications for its OS ever more different than for all others, requiring a little more homework for those earnest about professional deployment on OS X. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Custom Software and Web Development for All Major Platforms ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: All platform ink blends
On Oct 25, 2003, at 8:20 PM, Ken Norris wrote: When set correctly, the PS checkerboard background will be visible in your master file but not in the resulting PNG. See the PS docs or look on the Web for more info on creating PNGs. --- Well, it is, but the darned thing still shows up in Rev with all white middle, no color at all. Rev just refuses to display it properly. I've been trying for hours. Seems nothing I have will make a PNG that displays properly in Rev in All Platforms mode. No Joy. I'm stumped. I'll take any ideas at all. Ken N. Ken, If you want, send me the image and I will see what I can do. Best regards, Mark Talluto http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to use Rev with Media Player - anyone got a guide?
Hi Ken, Hi Klaus, Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:10:34 +0100 From: Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How to use Rev with Media Player - anyone got a guide? I assume they should also play back on WMP in Windows on a PC. I doubt ;-) -- OK, but your explanation is limited. Maybe, but i never claimed to cover ALL aspects ;-) I understand codecs when they come into play, but I don't understand why a file type created by QT can't be played by any other player on any other machine which can recognize it. It can, see below... I think there are sites with video that will open automatically with either player (but maybe not RealPlayer) IIRC. What created them? Browsers look for the MIME-type info in the html-source, which explains the browser what plug-in to use/what (helper-)app to start etc... Does MP come with a 'Pro' version like QT Pro which will allow conversions? Sorry, no idea... I do all of the multimedia stuff/editing on my mac :-) How do we create files that play on WMP? You can, of course, create files with QT that are playable on win... (You will just have to avoid QT specific codecs...) Like: Audio: AIFF with NO compression...* WAV with NO compression...* AU with µlaw 2.1 compression...* (Important: 44.1, 22.05 or 11.025 khz sample-rate, 8 or 16 bit sample-depth) Video: AVI compression: Cinepak (low quality, but compatible)* DivX (if you installed the macversion of DivX) MPG (only playback supported QT)* * Will also work on *NIX! Chances are very good (NO guarantees!) that these formats can be played on win WITHOUT QT... Except DivX, these formats happen to be the ones that can be played with the play audioclip xxx and play videoclip yyy commands ;-) And further, how do we ensure that the user won't have to go to extraordinary lengths, i.e., outside of using a reasonably recent OS, to display media content? I would be a rich man, if i could answer this question ;-) Like others, I must be able to create A/V and deliver apps that will display A/V on either Win or Mac (UNIX not necessary yet, but down the road...maybe). Setting separate sets of files is OK, but, e.g., how do I record sound for WMP in Rev? See above... If I'm going to use Rev to produce x-platform, that will be a necessity. The only other thing might be to bundle some less-than-new version of QT that will play on the widest variety of Win machines and will play my media, along with a one button installer, with the app. I seem to remember a thread about that, but I couldn't find anything in the archives. Check this page for further info about bundling QT with your app... http://developer.apple.com/mkt/swl/quicktime.html Ken N. Hope this helps... Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to use Rev with Media Player - anyone got a guide?
Hi Klaus, Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:10:34 +0100 From: Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How to use Rev with Media Player - anyone got a guide? I assume they should also play back on WMP in Windows on a PC. I doubt ;-) -- OK, but your explanation is limited. I understand codecs when they come into play, but I don't understand why a file type created by QT can't be played by any other player on any other machine which can recognize it. I think there are sites with video that will open automatically with either player (but maybe not RealPlayer) IIRC. What created them? Does MP come with a 'Pro' version like QT Pro which will allow conversions? How do we create files that play on WMP? And further, how do we ensure that the user won't have to go to extraordinary lengths, i.e., outside of using a reasonably recent OS, to display media content? Like others, I must be able to create A/V and deliver apps that will display A/V on either Win or Mac (UNIX not necessary yet, but down the road...maybe). Setting separate sets of files is OK, but, e.g., how do I record sound for WMP in Rev? If I'm going to use Rev to produce x-platform, that will be a necessity. The only other thing might be to bundle some less-than-new version of QT that will play on the widest variety of Win machines and will play my media, along with a one button installer, with the app. I seem to remember a thread about that, but I couldn't find anything in the archives. Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Panther problems
On 10/26/03 11:39 AM, Alex Rice wrote: On Oct 26, 2003, at 10:36 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 10/26/03 11:05 AM, Alex Rice wrote: So the two bugs I see are: 1) All rev standalones have the .rev filetype CFBundleDocumentTypes property in their Info.plist (making them document centric when they are probably not intended to be) This one doesn't strike me as a bug. I susupect lots of developers want their standalones to recognize other stacks. I think it would be the developer's responsibility to change the plist if this isn't the behavior you want. OK then why does the Distribution builder have fields for document type and document icon? Distribution builder ignores it? Well, you've got a point there. I wasn't thinking about that when I responded. DB should honor those entries. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Panther problems
On Oct 26, 2003, at 6:34 AM, Thomas J McGrath III wrote: FWIW Actually, I think it is possibly not a bug. Maybe not, but I think there *are* two reportable bugs related to this issue- below. 1. I remember something like this happening in Supercard in OS9(Supercard projects were taking on the wrong icons when not built into a standalone). (I had to change either the creator code or was it the other code) But this is something different- this is a document type not binding to an application type. Not merely getting the right icon to show up- as I recall that was often a problem on MacOS rebuild the desktop and all that business. 2. The behavior of the OS however is a bit odd. When set to always open with it should stay and it does not. ( I don't see how that can be the fault 'bug' of Rev.) When I set it always open for me that always sticks, for that 1 file. What doesn't always stick for me is the Change all in the Open with section of Get Info. Sometimes it sticks, sometimes not. Rev is the only problem app I've encountered in this respect. Do all Rev standalones have the .rev filetype CFBundleDocumentTypes property in their Info.plist? Apparently they do, and it's really confusing the matter by making Rev standalones that should not be document-centric, promoting them to document centric apps handling the .rev filetype, in the eyes of the Finder. That's why I'm seeing FacilityCalculator and several other standalones in Open with even though they are not document centric apps and do not handle arbitrary .rev files. So the two bugs I see are: 1) All rev standalones have the .rev filetype CFBundleDocumentTypes property in their Info.plist (making them document centric when they are probably not intended to be) 2) The Open stack dialog greys out .rev stacks that are (presumably) missing the MacOS creator code. This is a bug because Revolution.app declares in it's Info.plist that it will use .rev file extensions for it's document type. Declared in the property CFBundleDocumentTypes. So it's declaring it will use file extensions as a document type, but in reality only uses the MacOS creator code. To be correct it should use both file extensions AND creator codes. Or just drop the creator codes support except on MacOS classic. possibly 3) Whether the change all not sticking in the Finder for .rev filetypes could be an OS problem or could be a Rev problem. Maybe Rev is not declaring it's filetypes exactly right, or the filetypes it specifies for built standalones are screwing things up? Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Panther problems
On Oct 26, 2003, at 10:36 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 10/26/03 11:05 AM, Alex Rice wrote: So the two bugs I see are: 1) All rev standalones have the .rev filetype CFBundleDocumentTypes property in their Info.plist (making them document centric when they are probably not intended to be) This one doesn't strike me as a bug. I susupect lots of developers want their standalones to recognize other stacks. I think it would be the developer's responsibility to change the plist if this isn't the behavior you want. OK then why does the Distribution builder have fields for document type and document icon? Distribution builder ignores it? One other glitch I hit the other day. On Windows, the .rar extention is a compression format, and a utility to decompress .rar files binds all .rar files to itself. One of the document types for the .rar extractor is .rev (used for revised compressed files.) Lately Windows thinks all my stacks are compressed documents. This may be something to watch for if a Windows user says, I can't open your stacks. Thanks for the tip Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Panther problems
On Oct 26, 2003, at 11:45 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: OK then why does the Distribution builder have fields for document type and document icon? Distribution builder ignores it? Well, you've got a point there. I wasn't thinking about that when I responded. DB should honor those entries. To be fair- DB does get it right, I think, when the document type fields are all filled in. It's when they are empty that it takes the liberty of assigning .rev as a filetype. Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Panther problems
On Oct 26, 2003, at 10:36 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: I think it would be the developer's responsibility to change the plist if this isn't the behavior you want. And I do agree with you on that point (is what I do), but I think previous threads about app bundles on OS X show that a lot of Rev developers don't want to or aren't able to grok application bundles and .plist xml files. Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to use Rev with Media Player - anyone got a guide?
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:18:27 -0800 From: Ken Norris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How to use Rev with Media Player - anyone got a guide? How do we create files that play on WMP? And further, how do we ensure that the user won't have to go to extraordinary lengths, i.e., outside of using a reasonably recent OS, to display media content? Like others, I must be able to create A/V and deliver apps that will display A/V on either Win or Mac (UNIX not necessary yet, but down the road...maybe). Setting separate sets of files is OK, but, e.g., how do I record sound for WMP in Rev? Ken N. Ken, you could use .mp3 for audio. Both QT and WMP support it. For video, I understand that Panther (maybe even OSX) does not support any cross platform codec apart from Cinepak, which is pretty poor. But it does means you can save video in both QT and, say, .avi formats using Cinepak as the codec. Having said that, I suggest you save video in the best format/codec for each platform, and select the files on the fly according to the platform its running on. For example, QT with Sorenson for MacOS, and .mpg with Indeo for WinOS. I say Indeo as it's the only codec you can rely on being loaded on a WinOS machine. Now everybody is going to throw rocks at me for the selection of codecs and formats !! HTH, Bob best, Bob... ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Windows TTS- what about Narrator?
I see there is a program called Narrator which will read contents of windows (Win XP, Win2000, others?) which appears to be a part of the operating system; it certainly was installed by default. Is there a chance that this program might be harnessed for use by Rev-based applications? -Kurt ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Panther problems
Alex, I agree that this may be contributed by REV. I just don't see how. :) Then again I'm new to rev and have not spent enough time to notice the ongoing behavior. I did notice the grayed out items mentioned in 2) and I thought they were possibly MC files converted over etc. This is certainly a problem and I need to see how this affects standalones on peoples systems that have REV installed - that would create big problems in my opinion. TOM On Sunday, October 26, 2003, at 12:05 PM, Alex Rice wrote: When I set it always open for me that always sticks, for that 1 file. What doesn't always stick for me is the Change all in the Open with section of Get Info. Sometimes it sticks, sometimes not. Rev is the only problem app I've encountered in this respect. Do all Rev standalones have the .rev filetype CFBundleDocumentTypes property in their Info.plist? Apparently they do, and it's really confusing the matter by making Rev standalones that should not be document-centric, promoting them to document centric apps handling the .rev filetype, in the eyes of the Finder. That's why I'm seeing FacilityCalculator and several other standalones in Open with even though they are not document centric apps and do not handle arbitrary .rev files. So the two bugs I see are: 1) All rev standalones have the .rev filetype CFBundleDocumentTypes property in their Info.plist (making them document centric when they are probably not intended to be) 2) The Open stack dialog greys out .rev stacks that are (presumably) missing the MacOS creator code. This is a bug because Revolution.app declares in it's Info.plist that it will use .rev file extensions for it's document type. Declared in the property CFBundleDocumentTypes. So it's declaring it will use file extensions as a document type, but in reality only uses the MacOS creator code. To be correct it should use both file extensions AND creator codes. Or just drop the creator codes support except on MacOS classic. possibly 3) Whether the change all not sticking in the Finder for .rev filetypes could be an OS problem or could be a Rev problem. Maybe Rev is not declaring it's filetypes exactly right, or the filetypes it specifies for built standalones are screwing things up? Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Panther problems
Is this a rev stack or a rev standalone Thanks Tom On Sunday, October 26, 2003, at 12:36 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: To be fair, I've seen this in other apps and document types. I wish the Finder would do some translations for us in file dialogs. One other glitch I hit the other day. On Windows, the .rar extention is a compression format, and a utility to decompress .rar files binds all .rar files to itself. One of the document types for the .rar extractor is .rev (used for revised compressed files.) Lately Windows thinks all my stacks are compressed documents. This may be something to watch for if a Windows user says, I can't open your stacks. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to use Rev with Media Player - anyone got a guide?
Are you saying that your software will do recordings when done? If not I prefer to use more specific software for my recordings. Why not use them? If the software you create is doing the recording then I can see why this is a concern. I agree. Tom On Sunday, October 26, 2003, at 04:18 PM, Ken Norris wrote: Like others, I must be able to create A/V and deliver apps that will display A/V on either Win or Mac (UNIX not necessary yet, but down the road...maybe). Setting separate sets of files is OK, but, e.g., how do I record sound for WMP in Rev? If I'm going to use Rev to produce x-platform, that will be a necessity. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Panther problems
On 10/26/03 11:05 AM, Alex Rice wrote: So the two bugs I see are: 1) All rev standalones have the .rev filetype CFBundleDocumentTypes property in their Info.plist (making them document centric when they are probably not intended to be) This one doesn't strike me as a bug. I susupect lots of developers want their standalones to recognize other stacks. I think it would be the developer's responsibility to change the plist if this isn't the behavior you want. 2) The Open stack dialog greys out .rev stacks that are (presumably) missing the MacOS creator code. This is a bug because Revolution.app declares in it's Info.plist that it will use .rev file extensions for it's document type. Declared in the property CFBundleDocumentTypes. So it's declaring it will use file extensions as a document type, but in reality only uses the MacOS creator code. To be correct it should use both file extensions AND creator codes. Or just drop the creator codes support except on MacOS classic. To be fair, I've seen this in other apps and document types. I wish the Finder would do some translations for us in file dialogs. One other glitch I hit the other day. On Windows, the .rar extention is a compression format, and a utility to decompress .rar files binds all .rar files to itself. One of the document types for the .rar extractor is .rev (used for revised compressed files.) Lately Windows thinks all my stacks are compressed documents. This may be something to watch for if a Windows user says, I can't open your stacks. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
How to use Rev with Media Player - anyone got a guide?
I have found that on Win2000 with no QT installation, I can get SOME midi files to play, SOME mp3 files to play, and SOME wav files to play. I can't seem to find an obvious reason why others won't play. -Kurt ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
saves and shutdowns
Hi, everyone. I'm using rev 2.1.1 with mac os x (jaguar) and trying to make a simple data collection application. Basically I have the data saved in textfiles, which are loaded into the stack when the stack is opened. When the user quits, I want to save the updated information back into the textfiles. A couple of points. To load the textfiles, I locate them using the following script in the preOpenStack of the data collection stack. The textfiles are in a folder called data which is in the same folder as the data collection stack. In the following, this stack refers to the data collection stack on preOpenStack put the effective filename of this stack into thePath set the itemDelimiter to / delete last item of thePath put /data after thePath set the defaultFolder to thePath put url file:wordlist into fld wordlist put url file:sentences into fld savedSentences put url file:settings into theSettings end preOpenStack Now when I try to trap the user's quitting with on shutdownRequest (save the collected information to the textfiles) pass shutdownRequest end shutdownRequest or on shutdown (save the collected information to the textfiles) end shutdown neither of these results in the files being saved. -- However, if i put the following: on closeStack (save the collected information to the textfiles) end closeStack then it works. Here are my questions: 1. Why can't I effectively trap a shutdown request? 2. When I make the stack into an application, does the closeStack function still apply to the application file's quitting? I mean, it's not a stack anymore, right? 3. How come, even when I use a closeStack handler and successfully save the information to textFiles, I have to click on the filenames in the Finder in order for the proper (new) modification time of the saved textfile to show up in the Finder? thanks. rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to use Rev with Media Player - anyone got a guide?
I read on this list that Compressed files might cause problems. I would check them. On Sunday, October 26, 2003, at 09:49 PM, Kurt Kaufman wrote: I have found that on Win2000 with no QT installation, I can get SOME midi files to play, SOME mp3 files to play, and SOME wav files to play. I can't seem to find an obvious reason why others won't play. -Kurt ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Windows sound and music--help!
Tuviah, Problem is...everyone's using SAPI 5. It comes with XP these days. I've got 4 XP computers...none of them 'revSpeak.' (Unless I'm missing something???) Any chance on getting the engine updated? best, Chipp -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tuviah Snyder Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 8:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Windows sound and music--help! Except where it comes to synthetic voices...Windows shines over Mac with ATT Natural Voices: http://www.naturalvoices.att.com/demos/ (choose Mike) Too bad Rev can't use 'em! Sure it can, the TTS engine supports SAPI 4. Tuviah Snyder [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Limited - Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Windows sound and music--help!
Ken, I purchased two ATT voice fonts when they first came out. A developer special for around $150 each. I don't think the sell them anymore. I'm not sure what ATT wants to do with them...but, they are great. Most agree they have the best voices overall. Good point about how difficult it is to work within the system. I believe there are also some other voice fonts available for the PC, but I quit keeping up with it since RR quit working with them. best, Chipp -- I don't think so. I tried them on both platforms and thought they were the same. Maybe your Win box is hooked up to a better sound system. There are two other important items to consider: 1) It's not the platform in this case, but the ATT voice engine that does the work. It's a great voice engine, no doubt about that. 2) That engine doesn't come with the Windows operating system. Should I expect my potential clients to have to purchase extra software for a chunk of $$? === NOTE: I actually can't find a price for ATT Natural Voices. WIZARD is the site ATT touts as a dealer, but there aren't any prices I could find. Apparently they expect you to buy voice fonts and the SDK without knowing what they cost. If anyone has another purchase site, please let me know (offlist if you like). === See what I mean? What should I say? I'm sorry, you can't use this unless you BUY ATT Natural Voices for Windows? Believe me, that won't go over well. OTOH, the Mac's built-in voices are plenty good enough to use for our purposes. If Windows came with voices of ATT quality, along with a few other things, I might seriously think about changing my own personal development platform some day, but that ain't how it is. I just wish it came with something more than it has, is all. Windows XP isn't that cheap, and the newest SAPI apparently broke the revSpeak function. 'Course we still have yet to find out what might be broken on the Mac under Panther, eh? Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to use Rev with Media Player - anyone got a guide?
Hi Robert, Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:34:06 -0800 From: Robert J. Earp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How to use Rev with Media Player - anyone got a guide? snip I suggest you save video in the best format/codec for each platform, and select the files on the fly according to the platform its running on snip Now everybody is going to throw rocks at me for the selection of codecs and formats !! -- Not me. As things sit right now, I'd agree with you, I think. But it's a pain the...never mind. Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windows TTS- what about Narrator?
Hi Kurt, Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:31:11 -0500 From: Kurt Kaufman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Windows TTS- what about Narrator? I see there is a program called Narrator which will read contents of windows (Win XP, Win2000, others?) which appears to be a part of the operating system; it certainly was installed by default. Is there a chance that this program might be harnessed for use by Rev-based applications? - I'm having a few problems with it, but I believe the voice is what is used by revSpeak. I think it's broken in XP, though. HTH, Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to use Rev with Media Player - anyone got a guide?
Hi Kurt, Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:49:50 -0500 From: Kurt Kaufman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: How to use Rev with Media Player - anyone got a guide? I have found that on Win2000 with no QT installation, I can get SOME midi files to play, SOME mp3 files to play, and SOME wav files to play. I can't seem to find an obvious reason why others won't play. - WMP? Probably a compression/codec problem. What were files recorded with? Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windows TTS- what about Narrator?
--- Ken Norris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the voice is what is used by revSpeak. It's broken in XP, though. the voice speaks broken revspeak? = [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.erikhansen.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
