External libraries in OS 9 need to start using me!

[Alister Pillow]

Hi,
I've spent about twenty hours trying to understand why my Standalone 
didn't work under OS9. Now that it works, I hope this helps someone 
else.

I have a library stack which is opened by the main stack in the 
preOpenStack handler. This library stack makes calls to the Database 
Library - which is included in the STAB settings.

At long last, I spotted the message from Jan Schenkel
http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2004-June/038008.html
which suggests that if your external/library stack needs an external 
(such as the database library)
then you must add the main stack to the stacks in use. (This is not at 
all obvious!)

Specifically, in your main stack:
on preOpenStack
  -- if this _is_ the main stack then...
  if the short name of this stack = "MyMainStack" then
if the short name of this stack is not among the lines of the 
stacksInUse then
  start using stack (the short name of this stack)
end if
  end if	

  -- Now add the external library
  if "myExternalLibrary" is not among lines of stacksInUse then
 start using stack "myExternalLibrary"
     end if
  pass preOpenStack  -- don't forget!
end preOpenStack
--
Before I fixed this, the Standalone would throw an error whenever the 
external library code tried to use the revdb library. (But only in OS 
9)

Regards,
Alister
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Re: Anyone Interested In A Tablet PC SIG?

[Bill Vlahos]

The link doesn't seem to work.
Bill Vlahos
On Oct 6, 2004, at 9:51 PM, MisterX wrote:
I've been working on designs of tablets since 1984!
Im still impressed by the backwardness of this lack
of tablets! The power of a modern palm with a 9"
screen like the old 128K would have been sufficient...
I guess the problem remains the battery...
But for a bit of fun, heres a concept I put together
back in '91
http://www.monsieurx.com/XPIM.html
;)
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RE: Anyone Interested In A Tablet PC SIG?

[MisterX]

If any of you know how to enlarge my palm PDA ;))

I've been working on designs of tablets since 1984!

Im still impressed by the backwardness of this lack
of tablets! The power of a modern palm with a 9"
screen like the old 128K would have been sufficient...

I guess the problem remains the battery...
But for a bit of fun, heres a concept I put together
back in '91

http://www.monsieurx.com/XPIM.html

;)

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Thomas McGrath III
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 12:48 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Anyone Interested In A Tablet PC SIG?
> 
> INK fan on OSX with Intus3 Wacom tablet.
> 
> Let me know
> 
> 
> tom
> 
> On Oct 6, 2004, at 3:43 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:
> 
> >
> > On Oct 6, 2004, at 3:35 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
> >
> >> Heck, I am a member of the worldwide newton association and their 
> >> newsletter editor, of course I'll join, love pen input! I 
> don't have 
> >> a tablet pc, nor I have the money to buy one, but I've got some 
> >> newton theory and a MacOS X with inkwell and a tablet (wacom). And 
> >> yes, sure I would join the group to create software! :D
> >
> > Hey, if computers could actually be anything like the 
> Newton - I'm in.
> >
> > I still have a couple of working Newton's, don't use them... but I 
> > miss using them.
> > --
> > Troy
> > RPSystems, Ltd.
> > http://www.rpsystems.net
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[Alex Tweedly]

At 18:03 06/10/2004 -0700, Erik Hansen wrote:

word 1 of item 1 of "123" = 123.
item 1 of word 1 of "123" = [EMAIL PROTECTED]&*()_+.
not exactly a bug,
but it would be nice to get
item 1 of word 1 of whatEver sometimes.
In 2.5 the second line gives me
Script compile error:
Error description: Chunk: bad chunk order (must be small to large)
I hit that error message about 30 seconds before reading your email :-)
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[Erik Hansen]

word 1 of item 1 of "123" = 123.
item 1 of word 1 of "123" = [EMAIL PROTECTED]&*()_+.

not exactly a bug,
but it would be nice to get
item 1 of word 1 of whatEver sometimes.

Erik Hansen

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Re: Size limit of table field ?

[Mark Brownell]

On Wednesday, October 6, 2004, at 02:50 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:
You're correct. The application memory you allocate is not used for
data/stacks/media. I think only the engine etc is loaded into there, 
and if
you allocate extra application memory it won't be used for anything, it
will just reduce the total amount of memory available to the rest of 
the
system (which includes your app's components).

Cool, I''ll have to go back and confirm this on an older 9.0 iMac. I've 
added 15,000 kbts to an app that doesn't need it.

Thanks,
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Re: Anyone Interested In A Tablet PC SIG?

[Thomas McGrath III]

INK fan on OSX with Intus3 Wacom tablet.
Let me know
tom
On Oct 6, 2004, at 3:43 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:
On Oct 6, 2004, at 3:35 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
Heck, I am a member of the worldwide newton association and their 
newsletter editor, of course I'll join, love pen input! I don't have 
a tablet pc, nor I have the money to buy one, but I've got some 
newton theory and a MacOS X with inkwell and a tablet (wacom). And 
yes, sure I would join the group to create software! :D
Hey, if computers could actually be anything like the Newton - I'm in.
I still have a couple of working Newton's, don't use them... but I 
miss using them.
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Re: RunRev to create email kiosk under MacOSX

[Sarah Reichelt]

Hi Jim,
 I want to create an email kiosk application for my grandmother (yes, 
one shot in a million, but it won't cost me anything other than 
programming time..), using a combination of RunRev, shell scripting, 
and maybe a little Cocoa to do things like disable force quit.   Is 
this a good idea (to do it in RunRev), considering that this *has* to 
be rock-solid (I'm planning a scheduled reboot about once every 4 
days, the rest of the time time machine just waking up and going back 
to sleep), or should I just consider something like Cocoa or 
Applescript Studio?

I have a kiosk application running with a couple of apps built in Rev, 
one of which is the main user interface and the other is a specialized 
email client. It is rock solid and I think your scheduled reboot every 
4 days is totally unnecessary. My systems run 24/7 and only reboot when 
I do a software update.

My job is slightly easier since my users have no keyboard access, but 
there are a few tricks I would recommend:

Make your app full screen and then hide the menubar. This also hides 
the dock.
You will need to set the size on opening the stack because it will get 
shrunk by the windowBoundingRect.
Use a utility to make sure your app is always at the front and on 
resumeStack, check the size & placement of your stack & hide the 
menubar again. I use KeepItUp but an AppleScript in your stack would do 
the same.
Disable automatic software updating.
Consider Timbuktu or Apple Remote Desktop so you can troubleshoot 
remotely.

For your particular application:
Keep the buttons large and don't show too many options on a single 
screen.
If your grandmother has arthritis, make keyboard shortcuts for 
everything.
Set the screen res or the font so that the text is big & easy to read.
Check out the POP library at my web site. I have an SMTP library too if 
you would like a look although I haven't officially released it yet.

Cheers,
Sarah
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popup menus stop working...

[Chipp Walters]

I know people have noted this before...but it seems in Rev2.5 after 
working in the IDE for an hour or so, the popups quit working. You can 
click all day until you're red in the finger.

Did I perhaps miss a short term fix for this? I tried toggling messages, 
to no avail. Has anyone figured out whether this is an IDE problem or an 
engine problem?

TIA,
Chipp
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Re: Size limit of table field ?

[Martin Baxter]

>Mark Brownell wrote:
>On Wednesday, October 6, 2004, at 10:26 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:
>
>> I can confirm that it's true even for a 68k standalone running on
>> system 7.6
>>
>> If you increase the application memory, you can actually make the
>> situation
>> worse, because it leaves less for the system heap, which is where the
>> application is actually getting memory from (as I understand it).
>> I was quite vexed by this when I first saw it (but I changed my
>> medication
>> and have calmed down now;-)
>>
>> Martin Baxter
>
>So if I understand this if I allocate more memory for my standalone
>apps created for classic Mac OS in order to make room for media running
>in my standalone I would actually be making less room for my standalone
>application and media? Of course I will need to test this. Does the
>standalone builder in Mac OS classic running on classic set a proper
>memory size for each standalone that it builds?
>
>This is interesting because some users only have 32 meg systems.
>
>Mark
>

You're correct. The application memory you allocate is not used for
data/stacks/media. I think only the engine etc is loaded into there, and if
you allocate extra application memory it won't be used for anything, it
will just reduce the total amount of memory available to the rest of the
system (which includes your app's components).

I'm still using RR2.1.2 so can only go by that but the default app memory
allocation for MacOS in the SB is 8000K and that seems about right. You can
enter a figure for it yourself in the SB if you think it's insufficient,
but I've found 8000K is OK for my needs.

A largeish Rev app I have running on the machine I'm typing this on (which
is a Quadra with 36mb ram) uses about 75% of that allocation, and that
figure stays more or less constant no matter how you use the app. However,
my app also grabs about 10MB of system heap during startup, presumably as a
result of my initialisation handlers loading stacks and data. So if it were
running in its own exclusive memory partition it would need about 17MB just
to start up.

Running under actual MacOS 7.6 is enlightening because "about this
computer" shows the system memory fluctuating as applications grab system
heapspace during operation, which I haven't seen displayed in later OS
versions.

I've never tried the TMEM resource hack that Richard Gaskin described
elsewhere but I have no reason to doubt it works if you really need to make
an application stay religiously in its own ram playpen.

Martin Baxter


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RE: Here comes XOS

[MisterX]

Jonathan,

I hope to have a good demo soon. I can show you some things right now and
you wont get it... Things that work are not in xos and xos is not working
per say yet. Im in the stage where you put 1+1 to make 3... So preparation
is essential and the less issues when I show it, the better right ? ;)

There's so many ways to describe this, and you can see it from a
programmer's point of view or the user's POV. 

If you take the user point of view, you can assemble programs really really
fast with premade components that fit in. Together they give their features
and these can be multiplied with the adjacent components you put in the app
- these are standardized objects that xos recognizes. So the Menus and
indexes adjust automatically and there lots of automatic stuff that makes it
fun to use without having to deal with routine things.  

The programmers POV is that when you update a feature, you make it available
everywhere like you would with a library or a stack in use. This is handled
implicitely and there will be a dynamic loader/unloader. Lots of things I
need to document too...

So with the RunRev IDE, you'll have another factor of 10 to gain time
programming or making apps that work right away with very little programming
if any! 

It may not apply to all disciplines, granted. But it's a great model I've
come to use and reuse over and over... It was built with OOP in mind, RR or
HC as the host and I hope to make it smart to distribute server/client
across the net later...

Is this explanation better? 

The documentation is the last piece Im working on though. Im waiting for
some comments on it to see if the direction is correct first. 

The libraries are in total transit right now. Most run without bugs but all
the internals have to be revised and transferred from the old HC "global"
storage to something more resilient, structured, xml friendly... The
templates libraries though should be kick arse! 

cheers
Xavier




> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:47 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Here comes XOS
> 
> Sorry, Xavier, maybe I'm the only one, but I've read your 
> message over and over and I'm still not clear what XOS is, or 
> will be. I remember reading about it on the HyperCard list 
> years ago, and I couldn't figure it out then, either.
> Maybe you could give an example or 2 of how it might be used 
> in practice?
> 
> I'd LIKE to be enthusiastic about it - honest! :-)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jonathan Cooper
> Manager of Information / Website
> Art Gallery of New South Wales
> Sydney, Australia
> http://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au
> 
> MisterX wrote:
> > ...
> > So, what is XOS? 
> > 
> > Just a simple extra OS to manage data across RunRev, your 
> apps, your 
> > OS, your files, your nets buddies, etc...
> > 
> > If there is anything important about data and programs, 
> it's usually 
> > the data! Well, XOS has a surprise for you, you will see data and 
> > making
> data
> > programs completely differently soon! At least I hope so ;)
> > 
> > The big question I've been trying to answer: Is is OOP or not?
> > 
> > Languagewise, C++ or smalltalk, java or any oop wanabee, no because 
> > the transcript language doesn't lend itself to oop type of 
> > programming. It doesn't need to!
> > 
> > The message hierarchy?
> > 
> > This one though is forcedly based on the RunRev messaging which is 
> > kind
> of
> > OOP. What was missing was/is/will/can be added though but I haven't 
> > seen
> the
> > need other than for delegation or exception handling in the 
> pure sense
> of
> > the term! 
> > 
> > So what are Objects and how are they based in our "objectual
> orientation"?
> > 
> > The object-ism in the XOS language is based on different levels at 
> > which
> we
> > humans contextualize the semantics of the word object. Uh, 
> sorry, the
> object
> > in xos just depends on your need. It can be the text, the field, the
> card,
> > the stack, the file or the category acoustic or other denominations 
> > you choose (you can always script more of these!).
> > 
> > An object is also a variable word (not a variable although 
> there is a
> logic
> > to variable and parameter naming) or a handler's name or 
> part of it! 
> Hence
> > the object class is any function like createobject or deleteCard,
> readfile,
> > finduser, etc... You can instantiate or overide the 
> function but it's
> not
> > guaranteed something will happen if no "exceptions" are not handled 
> > but
> in
> > any case, the function will try to best help you out even 
> if you don't 
> > furnish the right parameters.
> > 
> > Are there classes, Objects, links, indexes, pointers? 
> > 
> > They simply arent until you create them. These can be property 
> > dependent
> or
> > based on/in a library.
> > 
> > The first object I created in xos was the card, uh, the 
> object which 
> > is
> a
> > card. 
> > 
> 

Re: sorting...is it just me?

[Geoff Canyon]

I can't resist. This one's a lot more fun to say than to read, because 
the quotes make it easier, but:

Tom, where Bill had had "had," had had "had had." "Had had," had had 
the teacher's approval.

It's a comment on the results of a grammar test...
regards,
Geoff Canyon
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On Oct 6, 2004, at 11:15 AM, Mark Smith wrote:
Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo. (A grammatical english 
sentence, believe it or not!)

No head injury is too trivial to ignore. (Taken from a first-aid 
manual. No strange grammar, but actually means the opposite of what's 
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Re: Here comes XOS

[JonathanC]

Sorry, Xavier, maybe I'm the only one, but I've read your message over and 
over and I'm still not clear what XOS is, or will be. I remember reading 
about it on the HyperCard list years ago, and I couldn't figure it out 
then, either.
Maybe you could give an example or 2 of how it might be used in practice?

I'd LIKE to be enthusiastic about it - honest! :-)

Regards,

Jonathan Cooper
Manager of Information / Website
Art Gallery of New South Wales
Sydney, Australia
http://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au

MisterX wrote:
> ...
> So, what is XOS? 
> 
> Just a simple extra OS to manage data across RunRev, your apps, your OS,
> your files, your nets buddies, etc... 
> 
> If there is anything important about data and programs, it's usually the
> data! Well, XOS has a surprise for you, you will see data and making 
data
> programs completely differently soon! At least I hope so ;)
> 
> The big question I've been trying to answer: Is is OOP or not?
> 
> Languagewise, C++ or smalltalk, java or any oop wanabee, no because the
> transcript language doesn't lend itself to oop type of programming. It
> doesn't need to! 
> 
> The message hierarchy?
> 
> This one though is forcedly based on the RunRev messaging which is kind 
of
> OOP. What was missing was/is/will/can be added though but I haven't seen 
the
> need other than for delegation or exception handling in the pure sense 
of
> the term! 
> 
> So what are Objects and how are they based in our "objectual 
orientation"?
> 
> The object-ism in the XOS language is based on different levels at which 
we
> humans contextualize the semantics of the word object. Uh, sorry, the 
object
> in xos just depends on your need. It can be the text, the field, the 
card,
> the stack, the file or the category acoustic or other denominations you
> choose (you can always script more of these!). 
> 
> An object is also a variable word (not a variable although there is a 
logic
> to variable and parameter naming) or a handler's name or part of it! 
Hence
> the object class is any function like createobject or deleteCard, 
readfile,
> finduser, etc... You can instantiate or overide the function but it's 
not
> guaranteed something will happen if no "exceptions" are not handled but 
in
> any case, the function will try to best help you out even if you don't
> furnish the right parameters. 
> 
> Are there classes, Objects, links, indexes, pointers? 
> 
> They simply arent until you create them. These can be property dependent 
or
> based on/in a library.
> 
> The first object I created in xos was the card, uh, the object which is 
a
> card. 
> 
> Concept?
> A card is an object, so is a stack. A word is an object, so is a list.
> Working from there contextually in the programming sense has been the
> foundation for XOS... And the talk of OOP applies nicely in most forms 
which
> was a welcome sign in the book "The Best of Booch". It is about oop 
modeling
> and project development in all stages, his question is whether any 
language
> really differs or embodies the oop phylosophy while differing in 
language.
> And I believe XOS does - OOP has been an inspiration... Lest I script it
> naturally. 
> 
> Inheritance is a nice OOP counter-example which doesn't really apply to 
XOS
> although it is "generalized" into the polymorphismic class "IT" such as
> CreateIt "car", "aproperty","avalue". 
> 
> The conversion to MC from HC is strange because it opens many doors. One
> them is templates... But Im now faced with a nice distributed system 
that
> might have to redistribute itself... ;)
> 
> To all those that have supported my efforts in the past, here comes my
> best...
> 
> The script behind XOS? ;)
> 
> In the beginning, 
> There was an object
> More started becoming
> Soon it was a project
> 
> What was a list too big
> Could be picked by a script
> So any could read or dig
> one needle or a ship
> 
> More on this OOP talk later... I hope to put in some quotes from "The 
Best
> of Booch" to exemplify the Object orientedness of XOS and RR in the 
right
> context. 
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Way to communicate with UPNP Plug-n-play?

[RGould8]

I've got a client (an ISP), who wants to know if Revolution can communicate 
with Microsoft's UPNP standard for "Plug-and-Play" in the Windows OS.   
Apparently there's some new DSL routers coming out that pass configuration data via 
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Re: RunRev to create email kiosk under MacOSX

[Andre Garzia]

On Oct 6, 2004, at 4:57 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
Under OS X, You can even disable Force Quit!
You might want to refer to the tech note at 
http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2002/tn2062.html for details on 
creating kiosks under OS X.

Living and learning! =) Thanks!
andre


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Re: RunRev to create email kiosk under MacOSX

[Frank D. Engel, Jr.]

Under OS X, You can even disable Force Quit!
You might want to refer to the tech note at 
http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2002/tn2062.html for details on 
creating kiosks under OS X.

On Oct 6, 2004, at 3:37 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
Jim,
you can do it, but to have a macintosh just for email is a little 
subusing the machine: :-)

you don't need applescript or shell, I don't think one can disable 
force quit, but at least for the email part you can check Shao Shan 
libSMTP and libEmail stacks.

Cheers
andre

On Oct 6, 2004, at 2:26 PM, Jim Witte wrote:
Hi,
 I want to create an email kiosk application for my grandmother (yes, 
one shot in a million, but it won't cost me anything other than 
programming time..), using a combination of RunRev, shell scripting, 
and maybe a little Cocoa to do things like disable force quit.   Is 
this a good idea (to do it in RunRev), considering that this *has* to 
be rock-solid (I'm planning a scheduled reboot about once every 4 
days, the rest of the time time machine just waking up and going back 
to sleep), or should I just consider something like Cocoa or 
Applescript Studio?

Jim Witte
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Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
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Re: Anyone Interested In A Tablet PC SIG?

[Troy Rollins]

On Oct 6, 2004, at 3:35 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
Heck, I am a member of the worldwide newton association and their 
newsletter editor, of course I'll join, love pen input! I don't have a 
tablet pc, nor I have the money to buy one, but I've got some newton 
theory and a MacOS X with inkwell and a tablet (wacom). And yes, sure 
I would join the group to create software! :D
Hey, if computers could actually be anything like the Newton - I'm in.
I still have a couple of working Newton's, don't use them... but I miss 
using them.
--
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Re: RunRev to create email kiosk under MacOSX

[Andre Garzia]

Jim,
you can do it, but to have a macintosh just for email is a little 
subusing the machine: :-)

you don't need applescript or shell, I don't think one can disable 
force quit, but at least for the email part you can check Shao Shan 
libSMTP and libEmail stacks.

Cheers
andre

On Oct 6, 2004, at 2:26 PM, Jim Witte wrote:
Hi,
 I want to create an email kiosk application for my grandmother (yes, 
one shot in a million, but it won't cost me anything other than 
programming time..), using a combination of RunRev, shell scripting, 
and maybe a little Cocoa to do things like disable force quit.   Is 
this a good idea (to do it in RunRev), considering that this *has* to 
be rock-solid (I'm planning a scheduled reboot about once every 4 
days, the rest of the time time machine just waking up and going back 
to sleep), or should I just consider something like Cocoa or 
Applescript Studio?

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Re: Anyone Interested In A Tablet PC SIG?

[Andre Garzia]

On Oct 6, 2004, at 1:59 PM, Rob Cozens wrote:
Hi All,
I have been playing with a Tablet PC (Motion M1300) for less than a 
week; but I am convinced it is the personal computing platform of the 
future.

Is anyone interested in forming a private discussion group focusing on 
Revolution, Tablet PCs, and ink input?  If so, please contact me 
privately.

And as one who left the Intel world before Windows and is dubious of 
Microsoft's business practices, I must say I am REALLY impressed with 
Tablet PC technology & capabilities...

The pen is mightier than the mouse!
Heck, I am a member of the worldwide newton association and their 
newsletter editor, of course I'll join, love pen input! I don't have a 
tablet pc, nor I have the money to buy one, but I've got some newton 
theory and a MacOS X with inkwell and a tablet (wacom). And yes, sure I 
would join the group to create software! :D

Cheers
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Re: Size limit of table field ?

[jbv]

>
>
> If you increase the application memory, you can actually make the situation
> worse, because it leaves less for the system heap, which is where the
> application is actually getting memory from (as I understand it).
> I was quite vexed by this when I first saw it (but I changed my medication
> and have calmed down now;-)

I can confirm the above.
This was also true with MC : I remember delivering a large
standalone to a client, and carefully setting the memory
allocation for MacOS 9 so that it could run easily, and my
client wasn't even able to launch it on a powerbook G3...
After checking my app, I realized that it didn't used the
memory size I allocated, but instead used a large portion
of the available RAM...

As for my problem with the crashed stack, thank you all
for the proposed solutions, but as I had a backup I made
shortly before the crash, I don't really need to open it at
all cost...
I just wanted to point out that it was the major problem
I had with Rev in 1 month (read : need re-install the app)
and that it crashed the revonline stack also...

Best,
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Re: GraphMaker???

[Troy Rollins]

On Oct 6, 2004, at 1:48 PM, Jim Carwardine wrote:
Hi Xavier... Thanks for the help.  I tried to download the revised 
stack but
only got a new IE page with what looks like a stack dump on it.  
Didn't get
the stack.  Don't know if it's me or you... Jim
You can usually correct this by right clicking the link and doing "save 
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Re: Anyone Interested In A Tablet PC SIG?

[Richard Gaskin]

Rob Cozens wrote:
Hi All,
I have been playing with a Tablet PC (Motion M1300) for less than a 
week; but I am convinced it is the personal computing platform of the 
future.

Is anyone interested in forming a private discussion group focusing on 
Revolution, Tablet PCs, and ink input?  If so, please contact me privately.
I'll join.  I have a project foused on the tablet market.  Thanks.
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Re: sorting...is it just me?

[Mark Smith]

On 6 Oct 2004, at 15:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   sort cards of stack "aStack" \
by the name of the current card
--
This version does exactly the same, but its purpose is
much clearer, isn't it ?
Well, no, to be honest
I think the reason I find it so unintuitive is that I want to sort all 
of the cards (plural) in a stack, and the current syntax  - 'by the 
name of  this card' or 'the current card' seems to suggest, bizarrely,  
that only the current card would get sorted, which is why it didn't 
occur to me, though it's a nicely zen idea. :)

I suppose that 'this cd' refers to each card as it gets sorted, but, 
well, 'each' would seem more descriptive...

I suppose it's as much a use of english issue as anything else, but 
then what can we expect of a language capable of encompassing these 
statements:

Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo. (A grammatical english 
sentence, believe it or not!)

No head injury is too trivial to ignore. (Taken from a first-aid 
manual. No strange grammar, but actually means the opposite of what's 
intended)

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Re: GraphMaker???

[Jim Carwardine]

Hi Xavier... Thanks for the help.  I tried to download the revised stack but
only got a new IE page with what looks like a stack dump on it.  Didn't get
the stack.  Don't know if it's me or you... Jim

on 10/6/04 1:53 AM, MisterX wrote:

> Jim
> 
>> Xavier... With your pie chart, I'd like to paste the chart
>> into my own stack.  There are no instructions about how to do
>> it.  Is there anything I should know?
> 
> There's nothing to it. But the scripts are in the card of the stack
> which you will need to copy along any controls you'll rely on or the
> script needs. Make sure you copy the groups and not just the controls.
> 
>> Also, your labels are
>> the numeric values of the data.  Can I put the data labels as
>> well as the % on the pie chart?
> 
> I just added the option.
> 
>> The pie isn't perfectly
>> round.  Can I change the shape by changing the dimensions of
>> the pie group and redraw the pie?  Jim
> 
> Have you tried resizing the stack?
> There was also a small insignificant bug here which I just fixed.
> 
> The new version allows to show and hide the labels and display
> either the values or the name of the pie in question.
> 
> New options have popped in this version which are still inactive
> which like the bar chart version is in the works. I'll try to get
> to them next week.
> 
> Unfortunately my revonline doesn't yet work. I'll see about it later
> tonite. Meanwhile you can go to download the new version at
> 
> http://www.monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=162
> 
> cheers
> Xavier
> 
> 
>> on 9/8/04 10:05 AM, MisterX wrote:
>> 
>>> Jim,
>>> 
>>> http://www.rpi.edu/~simonk/technical.html
>>> 
>>> from Kenneth Simons is an excellent tool to make line graphs.
>>> 
>>> and I made a pie chart stack myself which is available at
>>> http://monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=162
>>> 
>>> cheers
>>> Xavier
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Size limit of table field ?

[Mark Brownell]

On Wednesday, October 6, 2004, at 10:26 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:
I can confirm that it's true even for a 68k standalone running on 
system 7.6

If you increase the application memory, you can actually make the 
situation
worse, because it leaves less for the system heap, which is where the
application is actually getting memory from (as I understand it).
I was quite vexed by this when I first saw it (but I changed my 
medication
and have calmed down now;-)

Martin Baxter
So if I understand this if I allocate more memory for my standalone 
apps created for classic Mac OS in order to make room for media running 
in my standalone I would actually be making less room for my standalone 
application and media? Of course I will need to test this. Does the 
standalone builder in Mac OS classic running on classic set a proper 
memory size for each standalone that it builds?

This is interesting because some users only have 32 meg systems.
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Re: Size limit of table field ?

[Martin Baxter]

I can confirm that it's true even for a 68k standalone running on system 7.6

If you increase the application memory, you can actually make the situation
worse, because it leaves less for the system heap, which is where the
application is actually getting memory from (as I understand it).
I was quite vexed by this when I first saw it (but I changed my medication
and have calmed down now;-)

Martin Baxter

>Mark Brownell wrote:
>On Wednesday, October 6, 2004, at 12:10 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
>
>> Increasing Rev's memory on MacOS 9 is no solution because Rev uses
>> dynamic memory.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> Mark Brownell wrote:
>>
>>> Try increasing the allowable memory allocated to Rev on system 9 for
>>> the Mac. That might allow it to open.
>>> Mark
>
>
>Is that true of Mac 9 OS on an old mac classic machine running Rev?
>
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RunRev to create email kiosk under MacOSX

[Jim Witte]

Hi,
 I want to create an email kiosk application for my grandmother (yes, 
one shot in a million, but it won't cost me anything other than 
programming time..), using a combination of RunRev, shell scripting, 
and maybe a little Cocoa to do things like disable force quit.   Is 
this a good idea (to do it in RunRev), considering that this *has* to 
be rock-solid (I'm planning a scheduled reboot about once every 4 days, 
the rest of the time time machine just waking up and going back to 
sleep), or should I just consider something like Cocoa or Applescript 
Studio?

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Re: ftp lib and setting unix permissions

[Björnke von Gierke]

try this in the message box  of runrev:
go stack URL "http://www.soapdog.org/rev/FTPCommander.rev";
On Oct 06 2004, at 18:52, Bill wrote:
This link: you can check the 
http://www.soapdog.org/rev/FTPCommander.rev

On explorer (mac) and safari (mac) results in a text file loaded in the
browser window...

<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>
Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.2.rev";
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Anyone Interested In A Tablet PC SIG?

[Rob Cozens]

Hi All,
I have been playing with a Tablet PC (Motion M1300) for less than a 
week; but I am convinced it is the personal computing platform of the 
future.

Is anyone interested in forming a private discussion group focusing 
on Revolution, Tablet PCs, and ink input?  If so, please contact me 
privately.

And as one who left the Intel world before Windows and is dubious of 
Microsoft's business practices, I must say I am REALLY impressed with 
Tablet PC technology & capabilities...

The pen is mightier than the mouse!
--
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CCW, Serendipity Software Company
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Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."
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Re: reports creation tool

[Meitnik]

Hi,

I am curious on the status of the report creation/generation tool 
offered/mentioned/promised, so will the goddess/god making this tool please share an 
update. If testing is holding you back, please contact me, am wanting to help move 
you forward. :-)

Andrew
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Re: ftp lib and setting unix permissions

[Bill]

This link: you can check the http://www.soapdog.org/rev/FTPCommander.rev

On explorer (mac) and safari (mac) results in a text file loaded in the
browser window...

On 10/6/04 12:16 PM, "Andre Garzia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Frank,
> 
> I just implemented that for FTPCommander stack. You'll have to use
> plain ftp commands, the trick is, since you created the folder/file,
> you probably have a variable with it's path. Do a
> 
> libURLFtpCommand("SITE CHMOD" && theNewPermission &&
> theAbsoluteFilePath)
> 
> this will set the permission, the result should be like "200 ok file
> permissions set"
> you can check the http://www.soapdog.org/rev/FTPCommander.rev and check
> the script for the "Perms" button.
> 
> Cheers
> andre
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 6, 2004, at 1:10 PM, Frank Leahy wrote:
> 
>> Does anyone know if there's a way to tell the ftp library to
>> automatically set permissions on directories and files it creates?
>> Maybe something like "set ftpLibUnixPermissions to 666"?
>> 
>> The problem is that while you can use "put URL ftp://..."; to create a
>> directory or file, it appears you have to use the low level ftp
>> commands to CWD to the directory and set permissions on the
>> directories and files using CHMOD.  Which wouldn't be so hard, except
>> it appears that the ftp lib leaves you at the ftp home directory after
>> creating a directory or file, not in the directory the directory or
>> file was created in.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> -- Frank
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Re: Bugzilla address

[Mark Wieder]

Alex-

Wednesday, October 6, 2004, 5:16:02 AM, you wrote:

AT> It does make clear another minor issue with the web site - the failure to
AT> make any use of "Title"s on the web pages. Apart from the Store, every page
AT> has the same title - "Runtime". This is not only an inconvenience for

I think this is actually more than a minor issue - bookmarking the web
pages leaves all of them with the name "Runtime" and you have to go in
and rename each of them by hand. Worse, trying to navigate by using
the "Back" button history reveals a stack of previous pages, each
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Re: ftp lib and setting unix permissions

[Andre Garzia]

Frank,
I just implemented that for FTPCommander stack. You'll have to use 
plain ftp commands, the trick is, since you created the folder/file, 
you probably have a variable with it's path. Do a

libURLFtpCommand("SITE CHMOD" && theNewPermission && 
theAbsoluteFilePath)

this will set the permission, the result should be like "200 ok file 
permissions set"
you can check the http://www.soapdog.org/rev/FTPCommander.rev and check 
the script for the "Perms" button.

Cheers
andre

On Oct 6, 2004, at 1:10 PM, Frank Leahy wrote:
Does anyone know if there's a way to tell the ftp library to 
automatically set permissions on directories and files it creates?  
Maybe something like "set ftpLibUnixPermissions to 666"?

The problem is that while you can use "put URL ftp://..."; to create a 
directory or file, it appears you have to use the low level ftp 
commands to CWD to the directory and set permissions on the 
directories and files using CHMOD.  Which wouldn't be so hard, except 
it appears that the ftp lib leaves you at the ftp home directory after 
creating a directory or file, not in the directory the directory or 
file was created in.

Thanks,
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ftp lib and setting unix permissions

[Frank Leahy]

Does anyone know if there's a way to tell the ftp library to 
automatically set permissions on directories and files it creates?  
Maybe something like "set ftpLibUnixPermissions to 666"?

The problem is that while you can use "put URL ftp://..."; to create a 
directory or file, it appears you have to use the low level ftp 
commands to CWD to the directory and set permissions on the directories 
and files using CHMOD.  Which wouldn't be so hard, except it appears 
that the ftp lib leaves you at the ftp home directory after creating a 
directory or file, not in the directory the directory or file was 
created in.

Thanks,
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Re: Property List Editor

[Andre Garzia]

Tom,
I made some experiences with plists and Rev, plists are but a xml file 
that conforms to the plist spec. Pretty easy to parse if it was not for 
the presence of illegal characters in com.apple.internetconfig.plist 
heck, I hated those, it would break Rev down. But anyway, you won't be 
able to edit custom xml with plist editor, I think it will complain of 
a invalid plist file. But the trick is, you can parse plists in Rev, 
beware that many plists hide the content of the tags in base64, 
sometimes is even worse like first char = the size of the data, next 
chars = the data, everything base64 encoded. Good investigations!

drop me a note if you need anything or if you want to share your code.
Cheer
andre
On Oct 6, 2004, at 11:30 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
Hello to all on the list,
Has anyone had any experience with the Property List Editor that comes 
with OSX's developer package? I stumbled accross it trying to recover 
my iPhoto Library and double clicked on one of the XML lists in 
iPhoto. The Property List Editor opened and allows for editing the 
parent child entries.
I was wondering if this will work with REV for editing XML's etc.

Thanks
Tom
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Re: Size limit of table field ?

[Mark Brownell]

On Wednesday, October 6, 2004, at 12:10 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
Increasing Rev's memory on MacOS 9 is no solution because Rev uses 
dynamic memory.

Mark
Mark Brownell wrote:
Try increasing the allowable memory allocated to Rev on system 9 for 
the Mac. That might allow it to open.
Mark

Is that true of Mac 9 OS on an old mac classic machine running Rev?
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Re: Here comes XOS

[Rob Cozens]

Kudos, Xman...and thanks to Dan for financing your efforts..
Now where's the XOS eBook?   :{`)
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Property List Editor

[Thomas McGrath III]

Hello to all on the list,
Has anyone had any experience with the Property List Editor that comes 
with OSX's developer package? I stumbled accross it trying to recover 
my iPhoto Library and double clicked on one of the XML lists in iPhoto. 
The Property List Editor opened and allows for editing the parent child 
entries.
I was wondering if this will work with REV for editing XML's etc.

Thanks
Tom
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RE: # POSSIBLY SPAM #::Re: OT: alias on the web

[xbury . cs]

thanks, I'll test it later. Sounds like what I need 

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> If I understand your question right, see this: 
> http://www.cs.utk.edu/~sammons/docs/redirect.php
> 
> >> Anyone know how an apache server can redirect a request such as 
> >> http://monsieurx.com/runrev to a link elsewhere on the website like
> >> http://www.monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=News&new_topic=17 ?
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Re: OT: alias on the web

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If I understand your question right, see this: 
http://www.cs.utk.edu/~sammons/docs/redirect.php

Anyone know how an apache server can redirect a request such as
http://monsieurx.com/runrev to a link elsewhere on the website like
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Re: ask dialog cursor

[Frank D. Engel, Jr.]

On Oct 6, 2004, at 1:22 AM, Andrew wrote:
Hi, Frank.  Thanks for your response!
In other words, since the stack is part of the IDE, modifying it will
affect the entire IDE and any stack opened within the IDE which
utilizes the resources of that stack.
Great, so what code should I put in my preopenstack handler to tinker 
with the IDE ask stack?  (To make the cursor appear after the entered 
key in the ask dialog)
You can see the IDE's stacks in Application Browser after setting a 
preference to do so (Under 2.5, this is on the General page of 
preferences and is labelled "Revolution UI elements appear in lists of 
stacks").

However, personally, I recommend the other approach (below).
Is there an easier way to solve this problem without tinkering with
external stacks?  Can i just make all the changes within my stack?
Sure.  Make your own custom "ask" dialog box and use it instead of the
one provided by Rev.
Great!  how do I do that?
Create a new substack, with a field for your input and whatever buttons 
you wish to appear, perhaps "OK" and "Cancel".

stack "My Ask Dialog":
on preOpenStack
  -- do whatever you need to do to fill in the field with the starting 
value from your program
  select after field "My Ask Field"
end preOpenStack

button "OK" of stack "My Ask Dialog":
on mouseUp
  -- do whatever you need to do to send the value back to your program
  put "OK" into it
end mouseUp
button "Cancel" of stack "My Ask Dialog":
on mouseUp
  put "Cancel" into it
end mouseUp

Now to open the dialog, use one of these two commands:
modal "My Ask Dialog"-- will always open the dialog as a modal 
dialog

sheet "My Ask Dialog" -- will open the dialog as a sheet under OS X 
(if no other sheet open), else
 -- will open as a modal 
dialog, as with the "modal" comma nd

Note that with 2.2.1 there was a bug which could cause Rev to crash 
when using the sheet command when a sheet was already opened; this 
seems to be fixed in 2.5, however.

None of this is difficult.

Thanks!
Andrew
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Re: Size limit of table field ?

[Richard Gaskin]

Mark Schonewille wrote:
Increasing Rev's memory on MacOS 9 is no solution because Rev uses 
dynamic memory.
If memory serves (yes, pun intended) there's a TMEM resource you can 
modify with ResEdit to alter that behavior -- from the MetaCard "Read Me":

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A "TMEM" resource controls use of the MacOS memory management system.
It contains two bytes.  The first byte controls whether temporary
memory is used for normal heap management (1 for yes, 0 for no).  The
second byte controls whether temporary memory is used for pixmap
storage (window backing pixmaps and images, 1 for yes, 0 for no).  By
default both are enabled, and can be changed only with a resource
editor (e.g., Resedit).  If you set one or both bytes to 0, you'll
also have to increase the MetaCard application partition size in the
Finder (figure about 6MB + the size of all stacks you'll be editing).
--
That was written before the engine added the ability to get and set Mac 
resources.  If one had time and interest they could write a GUI for 
modifying those TMEM values in a standalone.

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Re: Bugzilla address

[Richard Gaskin]

Heather Nagey wrote:
Sarah Reichelt wrote:
Does anyone have the current Bugzilla address? I can't get to it from
any bookmarks or through RevZilla.
Yes, the link is missing from Rev's support page.
It's 
Hopefully someone at RunRev will find the time to catch up on reading
this list, and recognize that this is a FAQ.

Yes, we do. If you visit
http://revolution.runrev.com/section/faq.php
(or any of the other links to the faq on the site) you will find this issue
addressed - its the fourth link from the bottom of the list I believe.
While the existing faq is not as comprehensive as I would like, and does not
cover the fonts issue as yet - though I have sent round a request for
someone to write this for me so I can put it up - it does address a number
of, well, faq's...
Excellent, Heather!  Thanks for posting that.  It's a very useful set, 
even without the font question, and I'm sure those that need a single 
font on both platforms will appreciate your adding that there too.

How does one navigate to the FAQ from the main page?  Did I overlook a 
link from the Support page?

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Re: Bugzilla address

[Alex Tweedly]

At 08:42 06/10/2004 +0100, Heather Nagey wrote:
> Hopefully someone at RunRev will find the time to catch up on reading
> this list, and recognize that this is a FAQ.
Yes, we do. If you visit
http://revolution.runrev.com/section/faq.php
(or any of the other links to the faq on the site) you will find this issue
addressed - its the fourth link from the bottom of the list I believe.
It's good to know there is a FAQ - but this simply invites the next question -
   Why is it so hard to find the FAQ on RunRev's site ?
It's not linked from the home page, it's not linked from the 
Support/Resources page.
In fact, as far as I can tell, it's only linked from the "About/Contact Us" 
page and its subordinate pages.

I think it would be much better if it were mentioned on the 
Support/Resources page. Many people (including me when I was looking for 
the FAQ) ignore the Contact page because it's often just the official 
company mailing address, phone numbers and email addresses.

[OTOH - it is the first hit if you Google "runtime revolution faq", so in 
some ways there's no excuse for not finding it :=]

When I couldn't find where the FAQ page was referenced, I decided to run 
the web link checker that I dug up a few days ago when they were mentioned 
on this list. It produces a good site map, and I thought might help me to 
find the FAQ. I'll email you directly the list of broken links (16 or so - 
you should invest in a link checker :-)

It does make clear another minor issue with the web site - the failure to 
make any use of "Title"s on the web pages. Apart from the Store, every page 
has the same title - "Runtime". This is not only an inconvenience for 
users, but more importantly it's a lost opportunity for Google. Now that 
meta info is unusable, Google (and other search engines) pay relatively 
high attention to page titles and headers - so this would be a good way to 
improve the search rankings.

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RE: Sorting...Is it just me?

[xbury . cs]

I also noticed that unlike HyperCard, you can't sort the different
backgrounds in a stack...

Sort cds by bg id or sort bgs for example.

This is quite disappointing...

I tried also sort cards by the owner of each
and a bunch of other combos but no satisfaction...

Naturally, sorting by a field in a card which is
missing in another bg will cause a problem...

Any solutions?

> -Original Message-
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:21 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Sorting...Is it just me?
> 
> --- Mark Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I've just spent an infuriating hour trying to figure out 
> the strange 
> > results of trying to sort a stack using the name of each 
> card as the 
> > key. Searching the list (with Mark Weiders excellent Archive Search
> > stack) has finally solved the problem, but I'm astonished
> > 
> > Sort cards of stack "aStack" by the name of this card.."THIS 
> > card"?
> > 
> > I've been xTalking for more than ten years, and this form 
> would never 
> > have occurred to me in a million...
> > 
> > I mean, we wouldn't use:
> > 
> > Sort lines of fld "myField" by item 1 of this line
> > 
> > would we? Well of course we can't, quite rightly.
> > 
> > Surely "sort cards of stack "myStack" by name" or "by name of each"
> > would be more consistent.
> > Even the "english-like" nature of transcript is twisted by 
> the current 
> > form.
> > 
> > Anyone else think this is bizarre?
> > 
> > 
> > Rant over...
> > 
> > Mark Smith
> > 
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> While I can understand you find it counter-intuitive, it's 
> mainly because "this card" is a synonym for "the current 
> card" ; so slightly changing your code into :
> --
>sort cards of stack "aStack" \
> by the name of the current card
> --
> This version does exactly the same, but its purpose is much 
> clearer, isn't it ?
> 
> Jan Schenkel.
> 
> =
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> same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)
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Marking Cards Correction)

[John Dixon]

I have a stack that contains a large number of cards, 1193 in total. I need
to mark these cards and revisit them from time to time...

So, I mark each card that I want to revisit... However, when I revisit the
marked cards, Revolution has sorted them. If I visit the last marked card it
takes me to the card with the highest ID

For example... here are 6 cards (ID's of the cards) that have been chosen at
random from a background. Card 2 was marked, followed by card 4, followed by
card 6

1   3135,B,
2   3708,A,
3   3604,B,
4   3842,D,
5   3817,C,
6   3529,D,

But, The first card out of the hat is no 6 id 3529, the 2nd is id 3708 and
finally the 3rd is id 3842. This is why I think that Revolution must be
sorting them. Is there a way, to switch off the sorting of marked cards ?

regards,

John Dixon

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Marking Cards

[John Dixon]

I have a stack that contains a large number of cards, 1193 in total. I need
to mark these cards and revisit them from time to time...

So, I mark each card that I want to revisit... However, when I revisit the
marked cards, Revolution has sorted them. If I visit the last marked card it
takes me to the card with the highest ID

For example... here are 6 cards (ID's of the cards) that have been chosen at
random from a background. Card 2 was marked, followed by card 4, followed by
card 6

1   3135,B,
2   3708,A,
3   3604,B,
4   3842,D,
5   3817,C,
6   3529,D,

But, The first card out of the hat is no 6 id 3529, the 2nd is id 3708 and
finally the 3rd is id 3817. This is why I think that Revolution must be
sorting them. Is there a way, to switch off the sorting of marked cards ?

regards,

John Dixon

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Re: Sorting...Is it just me?

[Jan Schenkel]

--- Mark Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've just spent an infuriating hour trying to figure
> out the strange 
> results of trying to sort a stack using the name of
> each card as the 
> key. Searching the list (with Mark Weiders excellent
> Archive Search 
> stack) has finally solved the problem, but I'm
> astonished
> 
> Sort cards of stack "aStack" by the name of this
> card.."THIS 
> card"?
> 
> I've been xTalking for more than ten years, and this
> form would never 
> have occurred to me in a million...
> 
> I mean, we wouldn't use:
> 
> Sort lines of fld "myField" by item 1 of this line
> 
> would we? Well of course we can't, quite rightly.
> 
> Surely "sort cards of stack "myStack" by name" or
> "by name of each" 
> would be more consistent.
> Even the "english-like" nature of transcript is
> twisted by the current 
> form.
> 
> Anyone else think this is bizarre?
> 
> 
> Rant over...
> 
> Mark Smith
> 

Hi Mark,

While I can understand you find it counter-intuitive,
it's mainly because "this card" is a synonym for "the
current card" ; so slightly changing your code into :
--
   sort cards of stack "aStack" \
by the name of the current card
--
This version does exactly the same, but its purpose is
much clearer, isn't it ?

Jan Schenkel.

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Re: Bugzilla address

[Heather Nagey]

> Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>> Does anyone have the current Bugzilla address? I can't get to it from
>> any bookmarks or through RevZilla.
> 
> Yes, the link is missing from Rev's support page.
> 
> It's 
> 
> Hopefully someone at RunRev will find the time to catch up on reading
> this list, and recognize that this is a FAQ.

Yes, we do. If you visit

http://revolution.runrev.com/section/faq.php

(or any of the other links to the faq on the site) you will find this issue
addressed - its the fourth link from the bottom of the list I believe.

While the existing faq is not as comprehensive as I would like, and does not
cover the fonts issue as yet - though I have sent round a request for
someone to write this for me so I can put it up - it does address a number
of, well, faq's...

Regards,

Heather

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Re: Size limit of table field ?

[Mark Schonewille]

Increasing Rev's memory on MacOS 9 is no solution because Rev 
uses dynamic memory.

Mark
Mark Brownell wrote:
Try increasing the allowable memory allocated to Rev on system 9 for the 
Mac. That might allow it to open.

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