Re: Apple scriptable standalones
On 2004-11-20, at 22.52, Andre Garzia wrote: i theory to get your rev apps to be applescriptable is damn easy, all you need is ResEdit (carbon)or some xml editor and plist knowledge. You need to create an AETE entry in your resource fork,[etc] Right. I made a tutorial for doing this. It's meant for SuperCard though, so there might be a few differences in the way the app handles the events. http://tom.lightheadsw.com/supercard/tutorial1/ Tomas Franzén Lighthead Software http://www.lightheadsw.com/ I'm listening to Jon Brion - Strange Bath ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re[2]: RegEx Help--Across Lines
Hi, where the first instance has no line break but the second one does KR Use the (?s) directive: Where is all the information we need to use fully RegExp in Rev ? any tutorial, any Faq ? it would be very useful ... at least for me :-) Best regards, thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
check if a property exists...
Hi, Is there a simple way to know if a property already exists ? the test has to be done independently of the value of the property, as an existing property with an empty value is all right. Best regards, thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: check if a property exists...
--- thierry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Is there a simple way to know if a property already exists ? the test has to be done independently of the value of the property, as an existing property with an empty value is all right. Best regards, thierry Bonjour Thierry, Have a look at the 'customKeys' function : -- if uMyCustomProp is among the lines of the customKeys of button foobar then ... -- Hope this helped, Jan Schenkel. = Join us at the European Revolution Conference November 14-16, MALTA. ~ http://TechieTours.com/Rev/ = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re[2]: check if a property exists...
Hi, Is there a simple way to know if a property already exists ? JS Have a look at the 'customKeys' function : JS -- JS if uMyCustomProp is among the lines of the JS customKeys of button foobar then ... Ach ! too simple :-) JS Hope this helped, Sure it helps ! JS Jan Schenkel. Best regards, thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Mathewson's problem and his MSc Thesis
A big thanks to Chipp Walters: that will sort out my image resize problem! However; if it sorted out MY PROBLEM I wouldn't still be saying Hi There to trees and awarding knighthoods to dogs. I would like to reiterate that my Thesis will be on my website 10/11 Dec. because; frankly; the University of Abertay course I am on is the most substandard stuff I have ever come across in my life (and that is saying a lot) and I am not particularly interested in their opinions of my work (!!!): BUT I am interested in the opinions of expert xTalk programmers - i.e. those of you at the sharp end of matters - The thesis is really the culmination of about 15 years of thought and work with educational software development in 5 countries thinly disguised as a 'now' project. Sincerely, Richmond Mathewson __ See Mathewson's software at: http://members.maclaunch.com/richmond/default.htmland http://www.runrev.com/Revolution1/developercentral/usercontributions.html ___ --- The Think Different Store http://www.thinkdifferentstore.com/ For All Your Mac Gear --- ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Revolution Comment
Re Ken Ray's remark about a WRAPPER for RR: This is the whole thrust of my MSc thesis - unfortunately the prototype 'Wrapper' I have written presently weighs in at a hefty 25 MB. While the theoretical background is all there in the thesis the best solution would be to let any RR-ers who are interested to have a copy of my prototype to pull apart, play with, and criticise. There are some problems that stand in the way of this: 1. I requested help from RR with this development and (after about 6 weeks) recieved some very vague promises that have never materialised. 2. RR do very nicely thank you by appropriating people's idea that are offered FREE on thi list and elsewhere and then charging us all for them - this doesn't seem entirely fair. 3. I would be more than happy to release my prototype under some type of open source agreement - but how I make sure RR don't get their rapacious commercial paws on it I just don't know!!! 4. My website can only hold 3 MB of stuff so I would need someone to offer me space to upload the prototype to. The prototype has largely been designed using RR 2.0.1 (last 'FREE' version) but has now (last week) been hived-off so it can function both with RR and MC. The prototype abandons the WIMP-GUI (!!!) and uses a decision-tree structure to guide end-users through an Object-Point/Click GUI - it hides the standard MAC/WIN/LINUX desktop and menu structure; blocks access to directories and so forth - my focus group consists of primary teachers who can, just about, type a letter in MS office and nothing else - with the wrapper they can negotiate with the virtual personality to build a software item for content delivery and reinforcement merely by clicking on decision buttons and typing the odd word here and there.. Sincerely, Richmond Mathewson __ See Mathewson's software at: http://members.maclaunch.com/richmond/default.htmland http://www.runrev.com/Revolution1/developercentral/usercontributions.html ___ --- The Think Different Store http://www.thinkdifferentstore.com/ For All Your Mac Gear --- ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Re[2]: RegEx Help--Across Lines
On Nov 21, 2004, at 6:07 AM, thierry wrote: Where is all the information we need to use fully RegExp in Rev ? All the information? All over the place. But Ken sited a great resource - http://www.prce.org/man.txt RegEx is implemented in many languages, and most of them don't try to reinvent the documentation for it - only how their own implementation differs from the norm. Now that... I'm not sure exists in one place, either. any tutorial, any Faq ? It is a pretty huge topic. Look at matchText in the Rev docs, and check out the link above... combine the two mentally, and you pretty much have it, I guess. Just seems to be how documenting RegEx goes... -- Troy RPSystems, Ltd. http://www.rpsystems.net ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Re[2]: RegEx Help--Across Lines
Hi Ken and Troy, On Nov 21, 2004, at 6:07 AM, thierry wrote: Where is all the information we need to use fully RegExp in Rev ? All the information? All over the place. But Ken sited a great resource - http://www.prce.org/man.txt Hmmm, 404 file not found on this site: Pregnancy Resource Center East = www.prce.org OK i am not pregnant right now, but would like to know something about RegEx... ;-) Any hints? Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Revolution Comment
Ken Said True. But you have a very good suggestion - perhaps someone (RunRev or otherwise) will come up with a wrapper to Revolution which will do that. Ken Ray Are you refering to Alain Farmer's OpenCard initiative? Haven't heard from him in a while! Cheers Xavier ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
return versus \n
Hi, someone has a clue for this little problem ? i wanted to do that : local lToken = aText return but it seems we can just affect a direct value, not and expression so this works better : local lToken = aText\n but, as i used this lToken to communicate via sockets the two are differents; why ? so ,if i do : local lToken [...] on xxx put aText return into lToken this works !!! ? what i'm missing ? So, what alternative do we have to define a string inside quotes so the local lToken = aText\what2putHere could work as the script above ? Best regards, thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Re[2]: RegEx Help--Across Lines
Hi Ken and Troy, On Nov 21, 2004, at 6:07 AM, thierry wrote: Where is all the information we need to use fully RegExp in Rev ? All the information? All over the place. But Ken sited a great resource - http://www.prce.org/man.txt Hmmm, 404 file not found on this site: Pregnancy Resource Center East = www.prce.org OK i am not pregnant right now, but would like to know something about RegEx... ;-) Any hints? Regards Klaus Major I think it was meant to be, http://www.pcre.org/man.txt transpose rc for cr as in: Perl Compatible Regular Expressions Martin ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re[4]: RegEx Help--Across Lines
Hi, TR On Nov 21, 2004, at 6:07 AM, thierry wrote: Where is all the information we need to use fully RegExp in Rev ? TR All the information? All over the place. But Ken sited a great resource TR - http://www.prce.org/man.txt See Klaus answer :-) ps: looking , at the picture from you in Malta... you obviously do not look like being pregnant ... TR RegEx is implemented in many languages, and most of them don't try to TR reinvent the documentation for it - only how their own implementation TR differs from the norm. Now that... I'm not sure exists in one place, TR either. Well, so Revlution RegEx works accordingly to the RegEx reference ? is this the answer ? i'm quite surprised. any tutorial, any Faq ? TR It is a pretty huge topic. Look at matchText in the Rev docs, and check TR out the link above... combine the two mentally, and you pretty much TR have it, I guess. Just seems to be how documenting RegEx goes... Ok, i have missed the Tip at the end of the matchText doc; i just check the Regular expression in the Doc which is very poor... that's why the trouble :-( Here is the Tip for everyone : Tip: Revolution implements regular expressions compatible with the PCRE library. For detailed information about regular expression elements you can use with this function, see the PCRE manual at http://www.pcre.org/man.txt. i will try this just now ! Best regards, thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re[4]: RegEx Help--Across Lines
Hi, MB Perl Compatible Regular Expressions MB Martin Thanks a lot :-) Perl compatible; ha ha, i just got it ! when i have the time, i will take the quintessence of the Perl Doc about Reg Ex and try to make a little doc; Anyone interested ? Best regards, ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Command - C does not work
Thanks, Mark but this solution doesn't work for me . . . unless I misunderstand what you mean by view the Edit menu??? On Nov 21, 2004, at 2:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 6 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:43:26 -0800 From: Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] View the Edit menu from the menubar. You don't need to select anything, just open it and then close it. That initializes something in the menu handler and from that point on the Command-C keyboard equivalent should work. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Command - C does not work
X, I don't have anything on my Mac that looks line ins or insert. Good idea on scripting something up front, though. I'll give that a try. Cheers, Roger On Nov 21, 2004, at 2:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 8 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 22:17:16 +0100 From: MisterX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Command - C does not work To: 'How to use Revolution' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii with control-ins, if that works on macs too (might be command-ins), you dont need to call the menubar, ever. But it only works for text! If your menubar has a copy hotkey in it's edit menu, it should work though. But hey, Im working on xos which can do this, and I guess a simple frontscript like on controlkey end controlkey will do the job... I'll script up HotKeyN2O tomorow to see if that fixes the problem. Good night! X ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: return versus \n
On Nov 21, 2004, at 9:40 AM, thierry wrote: So, what alternative do we have to define a string inside quotes so the local lToken = aText\what2putHere could work as the script above ? There is a suggestion submitted to allow simplification of constant expressions such as your first attempt. I don't know of any effort there. The problem with the backslash in a constant or literal or local-init is that it is just that, a backslash. However it is translated in the format function. So you can do this: write format(ltoken)... A special syntax note about format(): The parsing of a literal format string allows backslash quoting of quotes in this context. Dar Dar Scott Consulting http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming Services ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Command - C does not work
There's already a new story im about to announce on monsieurx.com, just putting in the finishing touches. One limitation, it doesn't work for everything (controls in edit mode). Im working on an update and a better integration api to RR's edit menu which is already well fitted so it always works no matter what. Read the read me... Cheers Xavier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Guay Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 18:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Command - C does not work X, I don't have anything on my Mac that looks line ins or insert. Good idea on scripting something up front, though. I'll give that a try. Cheers, Roger On Nov 21, 2004, at 2:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 8 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 22:17:16 +0100 From: MisterX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Command - C does not work To: 'How to use Revolution' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii with control-ins, if that works on macs too (might be command-ins), you dont need to call the menubar, ever. But it only works for text! If your menubar has a copy hotkey in it's edit menu, it should work though. But hey, Im working on xos which can do this, and I guess a simple frontscript like on controlkey end controlkey will do the job... I'll script up HotKeyN2O tomorow to see if that fixes the problem. Good night! X ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Standard Images
On Nov 20, 2004, at 11:15 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 11/20/04 3:12 PM, James Spencer wrote: OK, one last stupid question and I'll have this thing beat. My button icons are all working fine but what aren't are icons for the answer dialogs: generally I've called for answer question My prompt? with Yes or No but it doesn't matter if the iconType parameter passed to answer is question, information, or nothing. I get a good icon when I run the app in the RR environment but nothing as a standalone. Any guesses? Sounds like the images aren't getting copied over to the standalone; what happens if you specifically set the gRevAppIcon to an existing image in the stack (just for testing)? Actually, if I had bothered to read the documentation (although I will take the opportunity to once again whine about the crappy nature of the documentation; you have to be an absolute mind reader to find things), with reference to gRevAppIcon and gRevSmallAppIcon, it really answers my question. As you guessed, it appears that the standard RR icons are not copied over. Interestingly, I haven't been able to get them to copy over even if I make a button that uses one of them as the icon (I was going to just use standard RR icons for this quick and dirty app but it appears that is not easily possible). But I can set these globals to any other images in my open stacks and then things work fine. Thank you again for the help. James P. Spencer Rochester, MN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Badges?? We don't need no stinkin badges! ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Creating reusable code libraries
Dear Revolutionaries I have some newbie questions ... What would be the best way in Rev. to create a reusable code library - e.g. to do 3D mathematics? Would I create it as a stack script in an otherwise empty stack and then load the stack into my apps and keep it invisible? Do all stacks have to have a toplevel window? I am still a little unclear on the relationship of stacks, substacks and cards. Supposing I have created a mainstack already - what is the difference between adding a new card to the mainstack or adding a new substack? Stacks and substacks both have to have at least one main card - yes? How is the relationship of a substack to its stack, different from that of a card to its stack (or substack)? How could I draw graphics with code rather than interactively with the graphics tool? Supposing I wanted to e.g. draw and show a contour map of a terrain from a numerical set of coordinates and elevations provided by a surveyor? Can I call a function in an external library from rev. e.g. from a windows DLL? If so, how would I do this exactly? Can I create and use lists (unkeyed arrays) in rev? I believe that compiled rev. applications are using a runtime engine - what is the performance of this approach compared to C (at the fast end) or Java (at the slow end)? Are some rev. features slow compared to others? How should I use program in rev. to get the best performance? I also have a comment or two ... The lack of a decent manual makes it hard to assess how useful rev is for applications that are more than just a GUI with some scripting in the background. The help information and documentation seems fairly comprehensive but rather spread around, making it hard to find stuff unless you already know the name of the keyword or function you're looking for. Is there anywhere on the web where I could find a conceptual overview of the Transcript programming language? Revolution is potentially very interesting, but I am really having a hard time figuring out whether it can really do what I want it to do, so that I could stump up the cash for it with confidence. If it's really just a GUI builder, I cannot tell how easy it would be to combine it with other libraries to do the beind the scenes computation - or maybe rev. can do that for me as well - are there any examples of more elaborate applications out there that could shed some light on Revolution's abilities as a general development platform? Sorry it's a bit long - lots to ask! Best Gordon ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
HotKeyN2O ready (was Command - C does not work)
Hi everyone, Here's the stack to fix part of the problems with the control-c command (or Control for PCs) that do not working at times. Seems to work much better already once installed - but I feel biased saying that ;) The good news is that the plug in works nicely and does it all automatically without any intervention. The control commands supported are the select all, all clipboard commands incl. undo and a smart save stack command because it's good to have handy. It's packaged as a nice, compact, fruity tasting and handy toolbar you can move anywhere to copy paste stuff around with a single click. Part of my NitrousRack PRO Editor tools coming sometime in the near future. Sorry for the lame icons, I'll try to find something better or more OS neutral soon. If you have already a menubar in your stack, the commands do not get intercepted despite this stack's script being in the frontscript (it intercepts the commandkeydown). This is built in the IDE. I dont know if it is a good thing or bad. However it prevents the HotKeyN2O from interfering with the topstack's built-in edit or save commands. So I guess it is good. If you create a default menubar in your stack with empty clipboard handling scripts (and with the hotkey c already defined in the menu), the command-c will not work. When the menu dont work you can still click on the handy toolbar and avoid a long trip to the menu bar. Many more possibilities like handling other menu commands, adding missing commands, do macros, support the F1-F4 clipboard keys, etc... All this coming if you ask for it. This stack is freeware and open source. Download, screeshot and infos at http://monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=170 It doesn't work to copy controls via the plug-in buttons yet, only text field . Im working on it! I just discovered the focusedobject command which is quite handy but creates lots of ifs and thens and else wares... Enjoy! Xavier ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating reusable code libraries
Hi Gordon, I am fairly new to RR myself, but have been using it a lot lately and so I thought I would try and respond to a couple of your questions. On Nov 21, 2004, at 11:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would be the best way in Rev. to create a reusable code library - e.g. to do 3D mathematics? Would I create it as a stack script in an otherwise empty stack and then load the stack into my apps and keep it invisible? Do all stacks have to have a toplevel window? This is how I do reusable code libraries. I create a very simple stack with one card and one or more buttons on the card. The button script contains the reusable code. In the stack script I have handler for preopenstack and closestack. The preopenstack handler just inserts the button script into the message path. Here is an example. Suppose you have a button whose name is exportedHandlers that lives on the card named codeLibrary. In the preOpenStack method you can have this: insert the script of button exportedHandlers of card codeLibrary into back In the closeStack handler you can have remove the script of button exportedHandlers of card codeLibrary from back So to use the code in the button, you just have to go invisible to stack name of your stack This way the stack is responsible for inserting and deleting code - your other stacks that use that code library do not have to know the details of accessing the code. Can I call a function in an external library from rev. e.g. from a windows DLL? If so, how would I do this exactly? You cannot do this directly. You have to write an external and from that external you can call whatever code you need. I have written one that does CRC32 calculations and also puts an icon for any stack into the windows task bar so that you can keep it running faceless and then show it just by clicking on the icon. The external is built for windows and for Mac OS X. (Well, the crc32 part works for OS X). If you like I can post everything somewhere where you can download it. I used Metrowerks codewarrior to build the window's external and used Apple's free xtools to build the mac external. Regards, Gordon (no, really!) ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution Comment
On 11/21/04 7:02 AM, Mathewson wrote: Re Ken Ray's remark about a WRAPPER for RR: This is the whole thrust of my MSc thesis - unfortunately the prototype 'Wrapper' I have written presently weighs in at a hefty 25 MB. While the theoretical background is all there in the thesis the best solution would be to let any RR-ers who are interested to have a copy of my prototype to pull apart, play with, and criticise. There are some problems that stand in the way of this: 1. I requested help from RR with this development and (after about 6 weeks) recieved some very vague promises that have never materialised. 2. RR do very nicely thank you by appropriating people's idea that are offered FREE on thi list and elsewhere and then charging us all for them - this doesn't seem entirely fair. 3. I would be more than happy to release my prototype under some type of open source agreement - but how I make sure RR don't get their rapacious commercial paws on it I just don't know!!! 4. My website can only hold 3 MB of stuff so I would need someone to offer me space to upload the prototype to. The prototype has largely been designed using RR 2.0.1 (last 'FREE' version) but has now (last week) been hived-off so it can function both with RR and MC. As long as we are making point-lists here, I'd like to add one of my own: 1. Newcomers to the list should know that Mr. Mathewson has never purchased a copy of Revolution. He has used only the legacy free version, and when that was discontinued, wrote perhaps the nastiest diatribe this list has ever seen, using the foulest of language, accusing RR of -- well, I'm not sure what. Trying to stay in business, I guess. 2. RR chooses its next feature set based in large part on what the community has said it most wants to see. It pulls ideas for new features from both this list and from the feature requests submitted to Bugzilla. Implementing new features takes time and money; the features are rolled into new versions which are released as paid upgrades. This is the same technique used by every commercial software company in the world. 3. If charging for upgrades is rapacious then perhaps Mr. Mathewson can suggest some other way for RR to pay for the programmers, rental space, printing, duplication and shipping costs, trade show exhibits, internet access, accounting and tax expenses, tech support personnel, computer purchases for more than a dozen platforms, and other working expenses that allow RR to stay in business and continue development of the tool that Mr. Mathewson likes to use. 4. If Mr. Mathewson feels that RR will steal his ideas, then maybe he needs to implement them with a different development tool -- perhaps something open source -- so that he can freely contribute to a different group of people who will, coincidentally, also use his ideas. 5. Finally, I can't offhand think of any ideas that Mr. Mathewson has presented which RR has stolen. Perhaps he has a list. Before submitting that list, he should check with Bugzilla to make sure that these ideas were not previously submitted as formal feature requests. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Re[2]: RegEx Help--Across Lines
On Nov 21, 2004, at 10:20 AM, Klaus Major wrote: Hmmm, 404 file not found on this site: Pregnancy Resource Center East = www.prce.org OK i am not pregnant right now, but would like to know something about RegEx... ;-) Ooops. blame Ken, I copied from his email. ;-P -- Troy RPSystems, Ltd. http://www.rpsystems.net ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[ANN] Serendipity Library Now Includes Folder Archiver
Hi All, The latest update of Serendipity Library is available for download at http://wecode.org/serendipity/. The major change in this update is the addition of support for compressing decompressing folder contents by SDB_Tools SDB_Utilities. This is the first update to be delivered in SDB folder archive (.sga) format--no more need to maintain different download bundles for different platforms (yea!). The known bug still remains: A decompressed Mac OSX application bundle will not run when double-clicked. I have checked the contents permissions on all components of the application bundle to no avail. If someone determines the cause of this bug, I will fix it; but I'm not spending more time to investigate what's happening. The maximum extent of my testing was to archive my Rev Build folder: 34 files in 19 folders nested up to six folders deep. Everything seems to decompress correctly, but OS X app bundles won't run. I have completed the design for a drag drop archiver/expander; however despite Sarah's help, Jan's suggestions, and visits to Stuffit Expander DropStuff with ResEdit I cannot get dd on an app icon to work as I need it to: * The standalone only responds to Rev stacks * The standalone opens the dropped stack whether I want it to or not * $1 is always empty * My trap for Apple Events yields nothing until I quit the standalone If someone can show me a stack template for a standalone that will respond to the drop of any file or folder on its icon by starting _and_ passing the name of the dropped file/folder to the standalone _without_ opening it, I can easily create a dd standalone to compress files to .sgz archives and folders to .sga archives, and to decompress the two archive file types. As usual, I would like to express my thanks to, confess my dependence upon, my translators, Jose L. Rodriguez Illera, Terry Vogelaar, Yves Coppé, Klaus Major, and to Andre Garzia, whose website is currently hosting Serendipity Library. Enjoy! -- Rob Cozens I must be the change I want to see in the world. -- Gandhi ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating reusable code libraries
Hi Gordon ( Gordon), Would I create it as a stack script in an otherwise empty stack You can, and/or you can import images into the empty stack that can be used by other stacks and then load the stack into my apps and keep it invisible? No: when the stack/standalone preOpens, 'start using stack My3DLibrary.rev'. All handlers in the stack script of My3DLibrary.rev and all images imported into My3DLibrary.rev are now available to the stack/standalone that started using it. -- Rob Cozens, Staff Conservator Mendonoma Marine Life Conservancy P.O. Box 217 Manchester, CA 95459-0217 (707) 895-2584 Promoting a healthy and bountiful offshore environment. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Standard Images
Gee, I wouldn't characterize the docs as being 'crappy' - I thought Heather did a GREAT job. the only thing I hate is the 'sheet' that comes up when it can't find or filter something. The extra clicking to dismiss that damn sheet every time is REALLY ANNOYING. RevPeople, Please come up with some other way to tell me I'm wrong, like a simple locked field that shows the 'error'. I feel like I'm being punished every time. sqb On 11/20/04 3:12 PM, James Spencer wrote: Actually, if I had bothered to read the documentation (although I will take the opportunity to once again whine about the crappy nature of the documentation; you have to be an absolute mind reader to find things), with ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Creating reusable code libraries
Dear Revolutionaries I have some newbie questions ... Nothing is newbie, everything is a different view! What would be the best way in Rev. to create a reusable code library - e.g. to do 3D mathematics? Would I create it as a stack script in an otherwise empty stack and then load the stack into my apps and keep it invisible? Do all stacks have to have a toplevel window? You go it... Open the revdocs and read up the start using stack, the library command and eventually the frontscript and backscript. It's not much but it opens an infinite amount of extensibility to RunRev. And these are the libraries you seek... I am still a little unclear on the relationship of stacks, substacks and cards. Supposing I have created a mainstack already - what is the difference between adding a new card to the mainstack or adding a new substack? Stacks and substacks both have to have at least one main card - yes? How is the relationship of a substack to its stack, different from that of a card to its stack (or substack)? Think of a stack file as a stack of cards (each with controls or pictures). Since MetaCard, we can put a stack of cards into another without getting them mixed as if we put in a compressed file inside another compressed file. Independent but always handy to call. Substacks are best used as answer dialog front end or small editor windows for a particular case like avoiding clutter that your application can easily call. You can simulate a file open interface or things like a list chooser. How could I draw graphics with code rather than interactively with the graphics tool? Supposing I wanted to e.g. draw and show a contour map of a terrain from a numerical set of coordinates and elevations provided by a surveyor? You could use the graphic tools and input it data. I've done some extensive line graphs with that. It's nice because it's editable. But for the most part, either you will have to draw all the lines (a lot of lines), use a paint object and paint the graphics (smaller memory footprint but not editeable as a numeric graphic control). Graphics can be overlapped so there's different possibilities to explore. Most of the stuff you see done in Flash can be done in RunRev with graphics. Can I call a function in an external library from rev. e.g. from a windows DLL? If so, how would I do this exactly? This would just like calling another handler or function. But you can't really call any DLL like user32.dll and get some info from NT. You need to write an external to do that and that's more complicated. There's an external sdk but dont know where it's sitting... ftp.runrev.com for digs... Eventually the runrev website but I doubt it. Can I create and use lists (unkeyed arrays) in rev? I believe that compiled rev. applications are using a runtime engine - what is the performance of this approach compared to C (at the fast end) or Java (at the slow end)? Are some rev. features slow compared to others? How should I use program in rev. to get the best performance? Speed is very acceptable. If not, you can write your own C externals to speed things up. 80 to 90% of uses are speed optimizeable. I also have a comment or two ... The lack of a decent manual makes it hard to assess how useful rev is for applications that are more than just a GUI with some scripting in the background. The help information and documentation seems fairly comprehensive but rather spread around, making it hard to find stuff unless you already know the name of the keyword or function you're looking for. Is there anywhere on the web where I could find a conceptual overview of the Transcript programming language? Try the Dan Schaffer book or find an old HyperCard book (by Dan preferably). they have a very nice gradual learning curve approach and get you down to business. Otherwise, 2 weeks playing should get you far ahead just playing with controls... There's many other websites with help - google it or check out the many revlinks on runrev.com. Revolution is potentially very interesting, but I am really having a hard time figuring out whether it can really do what I want it to do, so that I could stump up the cash for it with confidence. If it's really just a GUI builder, I cannot tell how easy it would be to combine it with other libraries to do the beind the scenes computation - or maybe rev. can do that for me as well - are there any examples of more elaborate applications out there that could shed some light on Revolution's abilities as a general development platform? There's many 3D and graphing examples, math stacks out there. Im working on some myself when I get some ideas... I haven't found many limits in RunRev that I can't code without using externals. As far as language it is awesome and easy to maintain. GUIS are the easiest to build by far. Code is quite fast for most uses and there's externals for the extra crunch. The rest is
Re: Standard Images
On 11/21/04 11:34 AM, James Spencer wrote: As you guessed, it appears that the standard RR icons are not copied over. Interestingly, I haven't been able to get them to copy over even if I make a button that uses one of them as the icon (I was going to just use standard RR icons for this quick and dirty app but it appears that is not easily possible). But I can set these globals to any other images in my open stacks and then things work fine. This sounds like something that ought to go into Bugzilla. It seems to me that these images should get placed into standalones if ask or answer is used in the stack. If you don't want to submit it, let me know and I'll do it. Bugzilla is here: http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Re[2]: RegEx Help--Across Lines
On 11/21/04 11:54 AM, Troy Rollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 21, 2004, at 10:20 AM, Klaus Major wrote: Hmmm, 404 file not found on this site: Pregnancy Resource Center East = www.prce.org OK i am not pregnant right now, but would like to know something about RegEx... ;-) Ooops. blame Ken, I copied from his email. ;-P Whoops! Sorry about that... btw: pcre.org IS the documentation for the regex in Rev - my understanding is that they used a third party PCRE library that was built into Rev, so pcre.org is official, AFAIK. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
re: RR Wrapper
Richmond- Sunday, November 21, 2004, 5:02:39 AM, you wrote: I suppose I should point out that I've tried checking out some of your software before, but the web links (Supertools, links, files) are broken, probably because of the embedded spaces in the urls (Sorry, an internal error occurred.). And also that the userconributions web page at the runrev site is long gone. M See Mathewson's software at: M http://members.maclaunch.com/richmond/default.htmland M http://www.runrev.com/Revolution1/developercentral/usercontributions.html -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apple scriptable standalones
Klaus- Saturday, November 20, 2004, 11:50:48 AM, you wrote: KM ehmm, Bill wanted to use a real applescript and NOT do something as KM applescript KM from WITHIN his standalone... KM Which would not really make sense, i think ;-) Ah... I was looking at things inside out. I seem to do that a lot lately. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: externals sdk
MisterX- Sunday, November 21, 2004, 10:14:04 AM, you wrote: M write an external to do that and that's more complicated. There's an M external sdk but dont know where it's sitting... ftp.runrev.com for digs... M Eventually the runrev website but I doubt it. http://support.runrev.com/resources/externals.php -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mathewson's problem and his MSc Thesis
Richmond, Misery loves company. You should have seen the substandard stuff I recently endured for two years for my MSc. They actually awarded the degree WITHOUT EVER SEEING my project (as opposed to thesis). Some who have seen it may think that that's a good thing ;-) Can't wait to see yours... Judy On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, Mathewson wrote: I would like to reiterate that my Thesis will be on my website 10/11 Dec. because; frankly; the University of Abertay course I am on is the most substandard stuff I have ever come across in my life (and that is saying a lot) and I am not particularly interested in their opinions of my work (!!!): ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Revolution Comment
Subscribe to freeGUI... We've seen some recent traffic there. Judy On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, MisterX wrote: Are you refering to Alain Farmer's OpenCard initiative? Haven't heard from him in a while! ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Standard Images
While I believe that the docs could be improved (or, rather more specifically, the additional learning materials), of course this could be said of all things, most certainly of my own stuff as well (some of which could well and truly be classified as 'crappy'). All the docs and learning materials are a huge improvement. Perhaps it is the sheer complexity of the language that makes one feel as if a mindreader's services are necessary. Having said that, I'd love and be willing to pay for printed docs with a decent index. (Heck, I paid for and am still waiting for two more of Dan Shafer's volumes, after having paid to receive a set of the original printed docs). I'd definitely do the learning materials docs differently (e.g., not have a pro forma screenshot just to be able to say you included a screenshot), but at least it's all steps in the right, that is, forward direction, no? Judy On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, James Spencer wrote: Actually, if I had bothered to read the documentation (although I will take the opportunity to once again whine about the crappy nature of the documentation; you have to be an absolute mind reader to find things), ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RegEx Help--Across Lines
There is a wonderful book called Mastering Regular Expressions by Jeffery E. F. Friedl that covers Regex in detail with an emphasis on the Perl standard. I found it very helpful with the Regex implementation that we use in Transcript. Still, there are some quirks to get used to. For example, Regex terms in Rev are strings, which differs from other implementations. Also, figuring what parts of the Regex will assign substrings to variables was, at least for me, an exercise in trial and error. Between the book and experimenting the Message Box I've been able to do just about everything I attempted with Regex in Rev. Mark Greenberg ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Basic field word count question
--- Salinas, Ruben (GE Healthcare) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My apologies for the simplicity of the question, but I'm just starting out with RunRev. Question is, how should I create a field on a card that displays the word count on a second field where the user is writing text? I would like the first field (word count) to recalculate automatically every time field 2 content changes. Thanks in advance for the replies. Harvjag Hi Harvjag, If you only want it recalculated after all changes have been made, you'll want to do it on closeField : -- on closeField put the number of words of me into field wordcount end closeField -- If you want it updated as soon as the user hits a key, the quick and dirty method would be on rawKeyDown : -- local tUpdateFlag on rawKeyDown -- check if we haven't queued an update yet if tUpdateFlag is not true then send UpdateWordCount to me in 10 milliseconds end if -- let the event be handled the normal way pass rawKeyDown end rawKeyDown on UpdateWordCount put the number of words of me into field wordcount -- don't forget to update the internal flag put false into tUpdateFlag end UpdateWordCount -- The above method should cut down on the number of updates, without the user noticing the delay. Hope this helped, Jan Schenkel. = Join us at the European Revolution Conference November 14-16, MALTA. ~ http://TechieTours.com/Rev/ = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Basic field word count question
A quick and dirty way to do this would be to include the following in the script of the text entry field, assuming that the field in which you want the work count to appear is named Word Count On mouseWithin put the number of words in me into NumWords put NumWords into line 1 of field Word Count end mouseWithin Hope this helps. Marian On Nov 21, 2004, at 2:33 PM, Salinas, Ruben (GE Healthcare) wrote: My apologies for the simplicity of the question, but I'm just starting out with RunRev. Question is, how should I create a field on a card that displays the word count on a second field where the user is writing text? I would like the first field (word count) to recalculate automatically every time field 2 content changes. Thanks in advance for the replies. Harvjag ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re[2]: RegEx Help--Across Lines
Hi, MG There is a wonderful book called Mastering Regular Expressions by MG Jeffery E. F. Friedl that covers Regex in detail with an emphasis on MG the Perl standard. I found it very helpful with the Regex MG implementation that we use in Transcript. Excellent ! thank you :-) I've the book, but for whatever reasons ( english is not my mother tongue, the Doc in Revolution has some lacks to find the good information,... ) i've never think that we could do so much with RegEx in Rev... MG Still, there are some quirks to get used to. For example, Regex terms MG in Rev are strings, which differs from other implementations. Also, MG figuring what parts of the Regex will assign substrings to variables MG was, at least for me, an exercise in trial and error. So, i'm going to dig into this and hope i will kill few dozens of script's lines in my project. MG Between the book and experimenting the Message Box I've been able to do MG just about everything I attempted with Regex in Rev. as much as in Perl ? MG Mark Greenberg Best regards, thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution Comment
--- Mathewson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] 1. I requested help from RR with this development and (after about 6 weeks) recieved some very vague promises that have never materialised. 2. RR do very nicely thank you by appropriating people's idea that are offered FREE on thi list and elsewhere and then charging us all for them - this doesn't seem entirely fair. 3. I would be more than happy to release my prototype under some type of open source agreement - but how I make sure RR don't get their rapacious commercial paws on it I just don't know!!! 4. My website can only hold 3 MB of stuff so I would need someone to offer me space to upload the prototype to. [snip] Sincerely, Richmond Mathewson Hi Richmond, While I try and steer clear of this sort of mockery of the human ability to reason in a logical fashion, I'm getting quite fed up with the lengthy diatribes produced by malcontents. In Xavier's case, I agree that as he paid for the product, he has the right to expect proper support of the package and a quick resolution of bugs. At the same time, having looked at a number of bug reports that he posted through bugzilla, I have found them confusing and hard to reproduce at times. Nevertheless, when there's a problem, it needs to be resolved in a professional manner, with courtesy from both sides. But the utter tripe that I have read above, makes me wonder why humanity hasn't nuked itself into oblivion yet. To quote my favourite comedian, George Carlin : Think of how stupid the avrage person is, and then realise that half of the people on this planet are even more stupid. First of all, Revolution is a commercial company with limited resources -- they can't hold your hand 7 days a week, 24 hours a day. Quite frankly, had you behaved towards me in the same fashion as you have towards them in the past, I would have installed a rule to have your emails automatically deleted, regardless of what gems of information might have been stored therein. Secondly, it is in the nature of any business, and even more so in the IT-sector, to look at other ideas, and learn how to aply what they do better in order to improve your own product -- otherwise Intel users would be stuck with DOS. And could you please show me parts of which projects have been 'misappropriated' to form part of the Revolution development environment ? A lot happens in a short time, and some of the ideas that make it into my own products have sometimes been lingering for years before I get around to implementing them. Thirdly, if you're so worried about parts of your software, which you're willing to give away for free, getting included for all users, not just the ones with the time to scourge the web for your particular contributions, then who or what are you working for ? To the benefit of all, or for the personal glory ? Besides, if they're still available from other origins, and they're better than the Revolution variant, people will find it and use it -- us programmers, we're usually a lazy bunch, which leads us to try and find the most efficient way possible to accomplish a task. Fourthly, there are numerous places on the web where you can gather space : setup a few Yahoo/Geocities accounts, look at Freespace.com -- or heaven forbid, try and work on a business model that allows you to pay an ISP for hosting the files ; ever heard of Paypal donations ? Finally, and then I hope never to climb on this soap box again : grow up -- nothing in life is free but there are plenty of opportunities to make it, none of which involve sulking in a corner like a spoiled brat that didn't get the shiny new toy he wanted, while hurling incoherent accusations at the people who are trying to do their job. Now can we all pick up our lives and jobs, and focus on what this mailing list is about : helping other people try and get the most out of Revolution, rather than bitching about imperfections ? Best regards, Jan Schenkel. = Join us at the European Revolution Conference November 14-16, MALTA. ~ http://TechieTours.com/Rev/ = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Understanding the Convert Command
Hello Ken, Thank you for responding to my post and offering your time function in Re: Calculations Involving Dates. The problem I'm having with the Convert command adding one hour to its result occurs even when I turn off useSystemDate. Go figure! Greg On Nov 21, 2004, at 5:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I enter 1/10/2004 in the date field, I get Friday, October 01, 2004 3:00:00 AM, which is not 2 AM. Greg, I don't understand why it's adding 1 hour for you... I'm in Wisconsin and I tried exactly the same activities you did and I get the right results (2:00 AM instead of 3:00, 11:45 pm instead of 12:45 am, etc.) Do you get the same results if you turn off the useSystemDate? Ken Ray ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Love
I love you guys on this list!!! Your passion for scripting inspires me and keeps me focused on continuing forward with my dreams. Thanks Tom Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Love
And Woman. On Nov 21, 2004, at 3:34 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: I love you guys on this list!!! Your passion for scripting inspires me and keeps me focused on continuing forward with my dreams. Thanks Tom Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Love
--- Thomas McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love you guys [nd gals] on this list!!! Your passion for scripting inspires me and keeps me focused on continuing forward with my dreams. Thanks Tom Hi Tom et al, My apologies for letting myself get carried away and actually hitting the send button. A lot of different things culminated into my response as posted. Revolution is a great product, and this mailing list has been an incredible source of information -- two items I get very passionate about. So let's all script together and fulfill our dreams. If anyone feels like sharing their thoughts on my previous post, please do it privately, so this list is no longer tainted. Warm regards, Jan Schenkel. = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Understanding the Convert Command
On 11/21/04 2:29 PM, Gregory Lypny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Ken, Thank you for responding to my post and offering your time function in Re: Calculations Involving Dates. The problem I'm having with the Convert command adding one hour to its result occurs even when I turn off useSystemDate. Go figure! Wow! Do you have another Mac you can try? And I assume your time zone settings, etc. in Date/Time are correct? Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Revolution [gracious] Comment
hi all, [turn humor scanner on] 2. RR do very nicely thank you by appropriating people's idea that are offered FREE on thi list and elsewhere and then charging us all for them - this doesn't seem entirely fair. I just wanted to say that after much much perusing, scanning, and attempting improving some the rev code, there's little that looks like any other scripts I've seen in my archives or elsewhere. They even have their own style which is remarkably clean. So, I too would like to know where you got that idea 'coz I've proposed many ideas to Kevin, and he's still not copying them! Even the RunRev GUI is quite original and well thought (altough it seems a duplo and a non-duplo version would be welcome for newbies and experts respectively). And while RR is still not complete as many would like, Im glad it's opened for improvements and there's room for many utilities! While some ideas or concepts may be seen as copies (which never ever happens in the computer industry ;), it doesn't mean that RunRev doesn't listen to their customer or do their part of innovating, it's hard to avoid not repeating someoneelses work today! Look at SCO saying Linux is a copy! Others do it poorly, look at moft or lotus notes! Not bad products but... Finally, there is a professional support infrastructure which the RunRev folks definitely make good use of and give us freely to use (cryptically or not). RunRev 2.5 wouldn't be as good as it is without it. And I didn't mention all the gracious folks in the list that will give ya a script for nut'n'honey! on openpraise Anyway, love seems the order of the new scripted comment and may the holy license absolve you for your unregistered stacks of sins and praise you for your good cards without yielding into the temptation of the demon bug as you would others have do to you code... pass openpraise end openpraise For an atheist taoist infidel, that's pretty good eh? ;) I'll just say, scripts are golden, talk is cheap... Bonsoir a tous! Kisses to all script junkies! Im gone develop my revving skills with www.RichardBurnsRally.com! Power to the slide rules! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan Schenkel Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 21:20 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Revolution Comment --- Mathewson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] 1. I requested help from RR with this development and (after about 6 weeks) recieved some very vague promises that have never materialised. 2. RR do very nicely thank you by appropriating people's idea that are offered FREE on thi list and elsewhere and then charging us all for them - this doesn't seem entirely fair. 3. I would be more than happy to release my prototype under some type of open source agreement - but how I make sure RR don't get their rapacious commercial paws on it I just don't know!!! 4. My website can only hold 3 MB of stuff so I would need someone to offer me space to upload the prototype to. [snip] Sincerely, Richmond Mathewson Hi Richmond, While I try and steer clear of this sort of mockery of the human ability to reason in a logical fashion, I'm getting quite fed up with the lengthy diatribes produced by malcontents. In Xavier's case, I agree that as he paid for the product, he has the right to expect proper support of the package and a quick resolution of bugs. At the same time, having looked at a number of bug reports that he posted through bugzilla, I have found them confusing and hard to reproduce at times. Nevertheless, when there's a problem, it needs to be resolved in a professional manner, with courtesy from both sides. But the utter tripe that I have read above, makes me wonder why humanity hasn't nuked itself into oblivion yet. To quote my favourite comedian, George Carlin : Think of how stupid the avrage person is, and then realise that half of the people on this planet are even more stupid. First of all, Revolution is a commercial company with limited resources -- they can't hold your hand 7 days a week, 24 hours a day. Quite frankly, had you behaved towards me in the same fashion as you have towards them in the past, I would have installed a rule to have your emails automatically deleted, regardless of what gems of information might have been stored therein. Secondly, it is in the nature of any business, and even more so in the IT-sector, to look at other ideas, and learn how to aply what they do better in order to improve your own product -- otherwise Intel users would be stuck with DOS. And could you please show me parts of which projects have been 'misappropriated' to form part of the Revolution development environment ? A lot happens in a short time, and some of the ideas that make it into my own products have sometimes been lingering for years before I get around to
RE: Understanding the Convert Command
Isn't there a daytime saving controlpanel button that is affecting this? I tried it on my PC and both times give me the same time! Maybe im in a temporal loop? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Ray Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 22:26 To: Use Revolution List Subject: Re: Understanding the Convert Command On 11/21/04 2:29 PM, Gregory Lypny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Ken, Thank you for responding to my post and offering your time function in Re: Calculations Involving Dates. The problem I'm having with the Convert command adding one hour to its result occurs even when I turn off useSystemDate. Go figure! Wow! Do you have another Mac you can try? And I assume your time zone settings, etc. in Date/Time are correct? Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Standard Images
On Nov 21, 2004, at 1:15 PM, Judy Perry wrote: All the docs and learning materials are a huge improvement. Perhaps it is the sheer complexity of the language that makes one feel as if a mindreader's services are necessary. I disagree; I regularly write applications with Cocoa using Objective C and Xcode. I'm also fairly fluent in C++ and Java and have over the years used a lot of different environments and languages. Cocoa and Xcode have been heavily criticized for their documentation but frankly, they put RR's to shame. RR's scripting language and environment are complex but not inordinately so. The problem is that while the documents as provided are pretty good REFERENCES if you know what key word to look for, there is no overview or conceptual documents. It's as though Apple produced Cocoa with literally nothing but the class library documentation. These kinds of conceptual documentation are critical considering the unusual nature of the RR environment. The tutorials are in the right direction but they don't cover an awful lot of subjects. Dan Shafer's books also might serve this purpose if they are ever published and if they are available at reasonable cost (i.e. they should come in electronic form with the license fee). All of this, of course, is just one person's opinion. Please note, I'm not complaining just to hear myself rant. I think RR is a great product, I will continue to use it and I hope it has wild success. I just think it would be more successful and certainly more useful if it were a little easier to step into. It is difficult to use even for experienced programmers and/or those coming to RR with a HyperCard background. The documentation as it exists does not make it easier. (BTW, as an aside I join in Stephen's complaint about the sheet that advises that there are no matches in searching for documentation; it is very irritating trying to get rid of it if you manage to quickly type several characters past the last match). Spence James P. Spencer Rochester, MN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Badges?? We don't need no stinkin badges! ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
OpenStack not seen when stack launches RR
OS X 10.3.6; RR 2.5: I have an openStack handler in the stack script. When RR is already launched, and I launch my stack by double clicking in the Finder, the handler is detected, and works fine. But when RR is not open, and is launched by the double clicking the stack icon, the openStack is ignored. Any ideas? -- Kaveh Bazargan http://www.focalimage.com/ http://www.holographer.org/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating reusable code libraries
At 11:53 am -0600 21/11/04, Gordon Tillman wrote: [...] What would be the best way in Rev. to create a reusable code library - e.g. to do 3D mathematics? Would I create it as a stack script in an otherwise empty stack and then load the stack into my apps and keep it invisible? Do all stacks have to have a toplevel window? This is how I do reusable code libraries. I create a very simple stack with one card and one or more buttons on the card. The button script contains the reusable code. Another alternative is the very useful Custom Property. I have one button called scripts, and I have a custom property for each AppleScript. This way there is just one button, and all scripts are listed nicely in the Inspector. For example I have a custom property called open_files. I run the script by saying: do open_files of btn scripts as AppleScript -- Kaveh Bazargan http://www.focalimage.com/ http://www.holographer.org/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
ScriptLimits
Hello, Does anybody know if there is a way to change the scriptLimits in a standalone app. I need to be able to change scripts of objects in a stack that is part of a standalone app to make updates and add possibilities to it without releasing a new version of the stack upon each change. Thanks for any idea, Best regards, ÉrIC -- My NeXT computer will Be a Mac too! -- ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ScriptLimits
On 11/21/04 4:08 PM, Éric Miclo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Does anybody know if there is a way to change the scriptLimits in a standalone app. I need to be able to change scripts of objects in a stack that is part of a standalone app to make updates and add possibilities to it without releasing a new version of the stack upon each change. Sorry, no way to change the scriptlimits. I would suggest having your object make simple handler/function calls and include an external (stack on disk) library that will constitute the changes. You can then swap out the library stack for each upgrade. Just my 2 cents, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Speeding up RevGoURL
Hello everybody, I'm curently testing RevGoURL in order to... launch an URL in the default browser. But it's realy very very slow to launch it. It can take about 3 minutes on Windows, and a little bit less on Mac. Is there any way to speed up that process ( no one will wait for that time after a clik) ? Or maybe do you know another way wich would be more appropriated ? Thanks for your help, Cordialy ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Speeding up RevGoURL
Dear Aurelien I find that the revGoURL works pretty much instantaneously, even when I give it the URL of a really busy site with loads of frames and graphics. Best Gordon = :: Gordon Webster :: ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Understanding the Convert Command
Hello Ken and Mister X, I'm pretty sure the date and time settings in OS X are correct. I'm set for Montreal (EST), and both date and time are updated automatically over the Internet (Apple Americas). However, a daylight savings time problem would explain the problem I'm seeing since we are now in standard time. It seems as if the Convert command is drawing on some system information that is telling it to use daylight savings time, which is pushing the result one hour ahead. There is no System Preference setting that I can find that enables or disables daylight savings time; I believe that is automatic in Macs based on the location (e.g., Saskatchewan is on standard time year round) and time zone information. Sigh... Greg On Nov 21, 2004, at 4:49 PM, Ken Ray wrote: Wow! Do you have another Mac you can try? And I assume your time zone settings, etc. in Date/Time are correct? On Nov 21, 2004, at 4:49 PM, Mister X wrote: Isn't there a daytime saving controlpanel button that is affecting this? I tried it on my PC and both times give me the same time! Maybe im in a temporal loop? ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Multi-line Button Names
set the label of btn upload to (Upload cr to cr Siddhi) any reason for cr instead of return? Pure lazyness, i think... At least that's why i use it all the time ;-) I know that Rev's CR does not give the standard CR character (ASCII 13) but I prefer the use of CR instead of return in string handling because return is used to sand back a value from a handler or function and I don't like having the same keyword mean two things in the same handler. Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Standard Images
On Nov 21, 2004, at 12:16 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: As you guessed, it appears that the standard RR icons are not copied over. Interestingly, I haven't been able to get them to copy over even if I make a button that uses one of them as the icon (I was going to just use standard RR icons for this quick and dirty app but it appears that is not easily possible). But I can set these globals to any other images in my open stacks and then things work fine. This sounds like something that ought to go into Bugzilla. It seems to me that these images should get placed into standalones if ask or answer is used in the stack. If you don't want to submit it, let me know and I'll do it. Bugzilla is here: http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase I'm glad to submit it; I just wanted to be sure that it is in fact a bug before doing so. It does appear that there is fact some kind of significant bug here. I jumped the gun in saying things work fine if I set the globals to existing images. The large icon will appear correctly in answer dialogs if the iconType is omitted but for the other types, which in OS X should badge a standard icon with the small app icon, only the small icon is appearing, correctly located where the badge should be, but without the large standard icon. The latter is not appearing, just a blank space. Going along with this is the question of what the fields in the standalone settings for OS X mean. I could swear that I saw somewhere (either an archived message or in the docs or a Bugzilla report) that one should be able to set gRevAppIcon and gRevSmallAppIcon in the dialog. I can't find the source of that idea but certainly the language of the labels in the dialog, i.e. Icons to display on ask and answer dialogs would seem to indicate this. However, it doesn't work for me. If I want any icons at all in my answer dialogs in the standalone, I need to have the image somewhere in my application and need to explictly set the globals. Whatever, unless someone here tells me that I'm screwing up (admittedly even with RR's bugs, that this is my own foolishness is a more likely prospect) I'll submit it to Bugzilla shortly. I'm just surprised no one has complained about this if it is a bug. Spence James P. Spencer Rochester, MN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Badges?? We don't need no stinkin badges! ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Command - C does not work
Command - C has stopped working for me in Rev 2.2. Command - V still works to paste objects, but I am forced to use Copy under the File menu to copy objects. Any ideas are greatly appreciated. Go to Rev's Preferences and click the Reset preferences to defaults button. For some reason this restores the shortcuts to the menus. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Speeding up RevGoURL
On 11/21/04 4:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everybody, I'm curently testing RevGoURL in order to... launch an URL in the default browser. But it's realy very very slow to launch it. It can take about 3 minutes on Windows, and a little bit less on Mac. Is there any way to speed up that process ( no one will wait for that time after a clik) ? Or maybe do you know another way wich would be more appropriated ? That's *really* slow... I've never had it take more than a few seconds. What is your platform, browser, and hardware (processor, memory, etc.) like? Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apple scriptable standalones
I haven't tried this but I think that when you send an AppleScript command to your application, it creates an AppleEvent message with class = misc and ID = dosc. If you have an AppleEvent handler in your heirarchy, it can check for dosc events, use request appleEvent to find out what data is being sent, and then do the script. As Klaus suggested, the command sent should be the name of a handler in your message hierarchy, preferably in the mainStack's stack script. However this doesn't help with an AppleScript dictionary. Looking in the application bundle for Apple's Mail, I see several files that look promising. They have extensions of scriptSuite and scriptTerminology and are pList files i.e. XML. You would have to examine the structure to work out how to construct your own dictionary for your app. Cheers, Sarah On 20 Nov 2004, at 6:04 pm, william griffin wrote: Out of curiosity I decided to build a standalone and see what effects Applescript could have on it. Script edit gave me an error as soon as I compiled this: tell application iGame3d do script quit end tell So I went looking for the dictionary and there was none. How does one provide a dictionary for a rev standalone? I went digging through it in the revolution application folder and package but no clue can be found. Mr Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating reusable code libraries
I am still a little unclear on the relationship of stacks, substacks and cards. Supposing I have created a mainstack already - what is the difference between adding a new card to the mainstack or adding a new substack? Stacks and substacks both have to have at least one main card - yes? How is the relationship of a substack to its stack, different from that of a card to its stack (or substack)? A stack FILE can contain one or more stacks. The first stack in the file is called the mainStack. A stack can also be considered to be a window. If you make new cards in a stack, you can only display them one at a time, If you want to display more than one card at a time, then you need more than one stack. Apart from that, the relationship between cards and sub-stacks is basically the same - messages pass from cards to their stack and from sub-stack's cards to their stack to the main stack. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Stack via script help?
On 20 Nov 2004, at 4:02 pm, J. Landman Gay wrote: I usually use create card rather than clone. I suppose this is personal preference, but it seems cleaner to me. A newly created card will automatically include the background (provided the group's backgroundBehavior is set to true,) so unless you need to copy over specific card properties, create works fine. If you've set up a bunch of card properties that you want to retain though, then cloning is one way to carry them over and you could use that instead. Another (possibly preferable) way to set up card properties is by setting properties in the templatecard before creating new cards. Using create card rather than clone can be really important if you are using groups. I recently rescued a stack for someone when it was taking about 7 seconds to go to the next card with no apparent messages in the way. The stack had over 400 cards and it was a data stack with each card containing the same objects. Although the objects were mostly in groups (2 groups per card) they were not set as background groups and the cards had all been made using the clone command. The main effect of this was that there were over 800 separate groups in the message passing hierarchy which seemd to be what was delaying everything! The stack size was over 21 MB, loading saving took for ever and it was really unresponsive. By re-building the stack with just 3 background groups and using create card to make the cards, I got the stack size down to 1.9 MB (after importing all the data) and with the normal instant response times to clicks and arrow keys. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Reaching last card in stack based on countdown timer
I would like to code a timer that runs through a specified time, while the user is answering multiple choice questions (for a timed quiz). If the timer reaches zero, regardless of where the user is on the quiz (what question he /she is on), the application will automatically shut down and take the user to the final card where he/she will be presented with a score. Can you guys give me some ideas on how to code that timer and make it a global variable so I can continuously show it at the top of each question card? Thanks in advance... Harvjag ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Reaching last card in stack based on countdown timer
You want the send in time command. When your quiz starts, store the seconds in a global variable (I called it gStartTime in the script below) and put the maximum number of seconds (I used 60 below) into your timer field. Then have a line saying: send timerUpdate to field Timer in 1 second In the script for field Timer have this: on timerUpdate global gStartTime put 60 - (the seconds - gStartTime) into timeRemaining if timeRemaining = 0 then put 0 into me go to last card else put timeRemaining into me send timerUpdate to me in 1 second end if end timerUpdate Make the Timer field part of a group placed on each card and with it's sharedText set to true so it shows the same data on each card. Cheers, Sarah [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.troz.net/Rev/ On 22 Nov 2004, at 10:32 am, Salinas, Ruben (GE Healthcare) wrote: I would like to code a timer that runs through a specified time, while the user is answering multiple choice questions (for a timed quiz). If the timer reaches zero, regardless of where the user is on the quiz (what question he /she is on), the application will automatically shut down and take the user to the final card where he/she will be presented with a score. Can you guys give me some ideas on how to code that timer and make it a global variable so I can continuously show it at the top of each question card? Thanks in advance... Harvjag ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Saving stacks with long file names
Hello good folks, I'm stumped on how to save a stack file that has been read into a standalone application (and edited) if the stack file has a file name in excess of 30 characters (including any invisible extension.) I've read that the limit is 32 characters but my testing is showing the limit is 30 characters for some reason. The filename is read in correctly but trying to save the file always results in can't open stack backup file and the creation of a backup stack with a truncated name and without the changes. I suspect there really is a way to manage this without making the user rename the file before opening it, but I've not found it. Can anyone point me in the right direction? OSX 10.3.6 / Rev 2.5 (build 2) Enterprise Many thanks, Scott Morrow Elementary Software (Now with 20% less chalk dust !) web http://elementarysoftware.com/ email [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: some EuroRevCon photos
Re: s Kevin Miller - Dave Cragg - Alex Tweedly s http://EZPZapps.com/ERC_photos/km_dc_at.JPG Kevin - That is absolutely the *smallest* sword I have ever seen... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Reaching last card in stack based on countdown timer
Thank you, Sarah... One question, though... where would I place the send timerUpdate to field Timer in 1 second line. In what object's script? ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Reaching last card in stack based on countdown timer
On 22 Nov 2004, at 12:28 pm, Salinas, Ruben (GE Healthcare) wrote: Thank you, Sarah... One question, though... where would I place the send timerUpdate to field Timer in 1 second line. In what object's script? In the script of the button that starts the quiz. Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: HotKeyN2O ready - final (was Command - C does not work)
I've uploaded the 1.1 version of this toolbar. It now copies, pastes controls or text from the script editor too. Next version will paste an image into a text field as if it was natural! http://monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=170 Cheers Xavier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MisterX Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 18:43 To: 'How to use Revolution' Subject: HotKeyN2O ready (was Command - C does not work) Hi everyone, Here's the stack to fix part of the problems with the control-c command (or Control for PCs) that do not working at times. Seems to work much better already once installed - but I feel biased saying that ;) The good news is that the plug in works nicely and does it all automatically without any intervention. The control commands supported are the select all, all clipboard commands incl. undo and a smart save stack command because it's good to have handy. It's packaged as a nice, compact, fruity tasting and handy toolbar you can move anywhere to copy paste stuff around with a single click. Part of my NitrousRack PRO Editor tools coming sometime in the near future. Sorry for the lame icons, I'll try to find something better or more OS neutral soon. If you have already a menubar in your stack, the commands do not get intercepted despite this stack's script being in the frontscript (it intercepts the commandkeydown). This is built in the IDE. I dont know if it is a good thing or bad. However it prevents the HotKeyN2O from interfering with the topstack's built-in edit or save commands. So I guess it is good. If you create a default menubar in your stack with empty clipboard handling scripts (and with the hotkey c already defined in the menu), the command-c will not work. When the menu dont work you can still click on the handy toolbar and avoid a long trip to the menu bar. Many more possibilities like handling other menu commands, adding missing commands, do macros, support the F1-F4 clipboard keys, etc... All this coming if you ask for it. This stack is freeware and open source. Download, screeshot and infos at http://monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=170 It doesn't work to copy controls via the plug-in buttons yet, only text field . Im working on it! I just discovered the focusedobject command which is quite handy but creates lots of ifs and thens and else wares... Enjoy! Xavier ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 14, Issue 54
In a message dated 11/21/04 1:55:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Message: 6 Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:33:56 -0600 From: Salinas, Ruben (GE Healthcare) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Basic field word count question To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 My apologies for the simplicity of the question, but I'm just starting out with RunRev. Question is, how should I create a field on a card that displays the word count on a second field where the user is writing text? I would like the first field (word count) to recalculate automatically every time field 2 content changes. My first answer to this question hasn't already been posted to the list, so here goes: local TymeDelay = 250 on WordKount put the number of words in field User Input into field Word Count send WordKount to me in TymeDelay milliseconds end WordKount This will update the wordcount field in realtime, automatically, four times a second. If that isn't fast enough, reduce the value of TymeDelay; if you don't want/need quarter-second accuracy, increase the value of TymeDelay. It's worth noting that the number of words in [whatever] function has a quirk in it: If you've got quoted strings (like, say, dialogue in a story), each such quoted string will count as 1 (one) word, *regardless* of how many spaces are in that quoted string. Thus, Rev thinks that the the string I have a nice doggie (note the *absence* of quote marks) has 5 words in it, but Rev thinks the string I have a nice doggie (note the *presence* of quote marks) is only *1* word. If your data is such that this could be a problem, you will be glad to know that there's a way to get the *real* wordcount, *including* what's within quotemarks: Use the value of, which will, in effect, strip away the bleeding quote marks so's Rev can get at the *real* wordcount. Like so: local TymeDelay = 250 on WordKount2 put field User Input into Fred put 0 into WordKount repeat for each word WW in Fred add the number of words in (the value of WW) to WordKount end repeat put WordKount into field Word Count send WordKount to me in TymeDelay milliseconds end WordKount2 Hope this helps... ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
can you make columns with tabs?
can you make columns with tabs? thanks, Erik Hansen = [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.erikhansen.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: can you make columns with tabs?
yes! Look at the tabstops property... -=- Xavier Bury Clearstream Services TNS NT LAN Server ext 36465 Voice: +352 4656 43 6465 Fax: +352 4656 493 6465 Erik Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22.11.2004 08:33 Please respond to erik; Please respond to How to use Revolution To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], How to use Revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: (bcc: Xavier Bury/CLEARSTREAM/GDB) Subject:can you make columns with tabs? . can you make columns with tabs? thanks, Erik Hansen = [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.erikhansen.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGEInternet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message.The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries.END OF DISCLAIMER ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
