Re: Windows standalone two handlers separated

[Andrew]

Thanks, Klaus, for getting back to me about my Windows standalone issue.
Making a standalone that works in Windows has been such a problem for 
me!  I can't believe there's not more uproar about this.  Stuff just 
doesn't work like it's supposed to and often the symptoms don't help 
you pinpoint the cause.

Anyway, I implemented your idea. Specifically I wrote
send "parttwo" to btn "instructions" of cd 1 of this stack
 Is this okay?  (Because I couldn't figure out the name of my stack, 
stupid as that my sound.  When I typed "answer the stack name" and such 
things, I just got errors.)
Anyway, the problem still persists with my standalone.  But perhaps it 
was a different problem to begin with.  The weird thing is, before I 
implemented this change it seemed like the standalone was only reading 
the first portion of my script, not the second (like I described 
before).  WITH this change, it's not working at all.

I don't see why a parameter is preferable over a global variable, but I 
implemented that suggestion anyway.  It worked fine in the development 
environment, but again no nothing on the windows standalone.  Perhaps 
there is some other error going on, but I can't figure it out at all.

Again, the symptom is that the Windows standalone won't put text in the 
card field like its supposed to, but I suspect that might be 
symptomatic of something unrelated since that's been the case with 
other Windows standalone problems that I've had.

Sorry for the pestering.
I really appreciate your help!
Andrew
On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 09:00  AM, 
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Hi Andrew,
I've got another clue about why my windows standalone is not working.
Okay, my script into two halves-- one in the card script and one in
the script of a button.  At the end if the card script section it says
send parttwo to card button "instructions"
...And I made sure to put all of the relevant local variables (only 1)
into a global variable, so that it could be accessed in the script of
the card button "instructions".
You could even send that local var as a parameter to your button, see
below...
However, It seems as though my standalone is only running the card
script section, and then not going to the script of cd btn
"instructions".  Is there any known error that Windows standalones
have with, as in this case, one handler calling a handler that's
located elsewhere?
If you specify the exact location of the button it will work!
Like:
...
send "parttwo" to btn "name here" of cd x ## of stack y
## if the button is inanother stack...
...
Please note the quotes!
Or with the above mentioned parameter:
local varname
on xyz
send "parttwo varname" to btn "name here" of cd x
...
And in the button:
on parttwo whattheheck
## do something with whattheheck
...
Make sure that "varname" is not empty! ;-)
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Re: testing on case

[Dar Scott]

On Dec 8, 2004, at 5:06 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
on IsUpperCase w
  return toUpper(w) is w
end IsUpperCase
Cool.  But won't this need caseSensitive set to true?
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Re: testing on case

[Mark Wieder]

Dar-

Wednesday, December 8, 2004, 1:46:05 PM, you wrote:

or...

on IsUpperCase w
  return toUpper(w) is w
end IsUpperCase

on IsLowerCase w
  return toLower(w) is w
end IsLowerCase

if IsUpperCase(x) then put xxx else put x

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Re: testing on case

[Alex Tweedly]

At 17:24 08/12/2004 -0500, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
Are you trying to test the first letter only, or the entire string?
The proposals so far only test the first character of the string.  If you 
need the whole thing to be uppercase:

function uppercase ofText
  set the caseSensitive to true
  repeat for each char ch in "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"
if ch is among the chars of ofText then return false
  end repeat
  return true
end uppercase
H - that says that "ABC DEF" is not uppercase (because of the space in 
the middle).

function isUpperCase pText
  set caseSensitive to true
  return (pText = upper(pText))
end isUpperCase
Not that that's perfect either - the problem is there are 4 (or 5) possible 
results
  upper case
  lower case
  word case
  mixed case
  no case (i.e. no letters)
so deciding just which ones to include as "isUpperCase" is a 
context-dependent choice.

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Re: DreamCard Player does not "play" my app

[Robert Brenstein]

On 9 Dec 2004, at 4:07 am, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi all,
My first time submitting to the mailing list...
I've created the MacAddict example at home, and everything works as it should.
I emailed the MAForum.rev file to work, then downloaded the DreamCard player.
I can open the app, but it doesn't "Load" the Categories from the 
web site, nor does it load the web page when clicking on the Forum 
list.

Can anyone help with this?
Thanx in advance,
Mark Stuart

Under which system you are trying to use the player?
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Re: interesting patent

[Gordon]

"First to invent" rather than "first to file" is the
rule in the U.S.

If (and its a big if) the PageFlex patent does overlap
with rev's geometry manager, it would be necessary to
show that RR (or their hypercard ancestors), were
actually using or selling such a thing publicly, prior
to the priority date of PageFlex's patent (this would
normally be the data of first filing of any
provisional patent - looks to me like 1999 from the
issued patent).

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>More to the point, was Pageflex's patent issued
> before or after the first 
> release of Rev's Geometry Manager? If the latter,
> I'd say the Pageflex patent 
> ought not have been granted, and should in fact be
> nullified, on the grounds 
> of prior art.
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Re: interesting patent

[Cubist]

   More to the point, was Pageflex's patent issued before or after the first 
release of Rev's Geometry Manager? If the latter, I'd say the Pageflex patent 
ought not have been granted, and should in fact be nullified, on the grounds 
of prior art.
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Re: testing on case

[Frank D. Engel, Jr.]

Are you trying to test the first letter only, or the entire string?  
The proposals so far only test the first character of the string.  If 
you need the whole thing to be uppercase:

function uppercase ofText
  set the caseSensitive to true
  repeat for each char ch in "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"
if ch is among the chars of ofText then return false
  end repeat
  return true
end uppercase
Now you can do things like:
if uppercase(ofText) then
  -- whatever
end if
or to test the first char of each word:
function wordcase ofText
  set the caseSensitive to true
  repeat for each word w in ofText
if char 1 of w is among the chars of "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" 
then return false
  end repeat
  return true
end wordcase

and similarly,
if wordcase(ofText) then
  -- do something
end if
On Dec 8, 2004, at 4:55 PM, Dar Scott wrote:
On Dec 8, 2004, at 2:46 PM, Dar Scott wrote:
If you must avoid a function (sniff, I like functions), then consider 
this:

if matchText( param(x), "^[A-Z]") then put xxx else put x
or this (if useUnicode is not true and you know it starts with a 
letter)

if charToNum( param(x) ) < 97 then put xxx else put x
To me a function is more readable.  Are you concerned about speed?
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Re: DreamCard Player does not "play" my app

[Sarah Reichelt]

It's possible that the rev file got damaged during emailing unless you 
compressed it first. I recommend always zipping, stuffing or gzipping 
any stacks before emailing, just in case.

Try using the DreamCard player at home to open the stack and see if 
that make any difference. The only other idea I have concerns the 
internet library. Is it possible that the DreamCard player doesn't have 
this, or that it needs some initialization?

Cheers,
Sarah
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On 9 Dec 2004, at 4:07 am, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi all,
My first time submitting to the mailing list...
I've created the MacAddict example at home, and everything works as it 
should.
I emailed the MAForum.rev file to work, then downloaded the DreamCard 
player.
I can open the app, but it doesn't "Load" the Categories from the web 
site, nor does it load the web page when clicking on the Forum list.

Can anyone help with this?
Thanx in advance,
Mark Stuart
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Re: DreamCard Player does not "play" my app

[Alex Tweedly]

At 10:37 08/12/2004 -0800, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Mark Schonewille wrote:
A much better approach than using the DreamCard player is to create your 
own player with all the features you expect to need.
It's in RunRev's interest to make that unnecessary.
Agreed.
A good player is the second most important external communications tool 
after their web site.  They wouldn't let the web site lie broken, and 
hopefully they're prioritizing fixes to the player accordingly.
You would think so, wouldn't you.
Please send feedback to RunRev on what you need from a player that isn't 
currently addressed, and post bug reports to Bugzilla.
I posted BZ 2138 on the 4th of September; and it's still languishing in 
"Unconfirmed" state. It is described (NOT by me) in a comment as an 
enhancement - so I'm guessing it will stay in that state for some time. The 
bug says, in effect, that you can't run a stack in Dreamcard Player by 
double-clinking on the stack file (on Windows).  I would have, and indeed 
still do, think that being able to do that (i.e. run it like every other 
Windows app in the world). should be regarded as an essential ability.

[ detail - you *can* run a stack by double-clicking it - but the cursor 
will be invisible. Makes most programs fairly difficult or impossible to 
use. So I think it's fair to describe this as "in effect, you can't run a 
stack by " ]

The player is critical to the core mission.  It would be better not to 
have one at all than one that's weak enough to motivate folks to build 
their own.  Let's hope that doesn't have to happen:  with your feedback 
there's an opportunity to spruce it up into something you'll enjoy using.
I've given my feed back - over 3 months ago - and have yet to see any 
meaningful response.
In the meantime, I simply ignore the existence of the player, and continue 
to build standalones to distribute. Don't know what I'd do if I didn't 
still have Rev 2.2

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Re: testing on case

[Dar Scott]

On Dec 8, 2004, at 2:46 PM, Dar Scott wrote:
If you must avoid a function (sniff, I like functions), then consider 
this:

if matchText( param(x), "^[A-Z]") then put xxx else put x
or this (if useUnicode is not true and you know it starts with a letter)
if charToNum( param(x) ) < 97 then put xxx else put x
To me a function is more readable.  Are you concerned about speed?
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Re: testing on case

[Dar Scott]

On Dec 8, 2004, at 2:09 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
Thanks, I think its a bit to much when I wanted it to set up query's , 
too many functions involved. I hoped that there is a
if param(x) "is upperCase" then put xxx  else put x
I don't understand why a function won't work.
Here is a simpler function that you can apply to just a word:
function isUpperCase w
  constant capitalLetters = "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ"
  set the caseSensitive to true
  return char 1 of w is in capitalLetters
end isCapitalized
if isUpperCase( param(x) ) then put xxx else put x
If you must avoid a function (sniff, I like functions), then consider 
this:

if matchText( param(x), "^[A-Z]") then put xxx else put x
Dar

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Windows printing

[J. Landman Gay]

I'm hoping someone can save me from having to do a lot of printing tests 
from my Windows machine. Right now I don't have a printer hooked up there.

There used to be a problem with Windows when using revPrintText where 
the printing font and spacing was rendered oddly -- either tiny 6-point 
text, or wildly erratic line spacing, or both.

Does anyone know if this has been fixed in recent releases of Revolution?
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RE: interesting patent

[MisterX]

way back in industrial economics we learned that
all patents are contournable... and since their
life is limited... 

What protection is there?
- 1st comers get 35% of the market
- barriers to entry (heavy duty investments in finacial or technogical
terms)

When I was writing my quantum codec algoritm I
found out a worldwide patent is worth 100,000 $/EUs... 

who, here, can affort that?

But if you get one client, it can be worth it...
Besides, the method is restricted to xml and some
obscure process. Just show prior art to save your
ass and voila. Patents are however legally defendeable

X

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gordon
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 22:05
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: interesting patent
> 
> There seem to be some misconceptions about what patents are for:
> 
> A U.S. patent as defined in section 35 of the U.S.
> code does NOT assure the inventors of the right to practice. 
> It guarantees their exclusivity to practice within the scope 
> of the patent claims, for the lifetime of the patent. 
> 
> If that sounds confusing, here's a real-world example that I 
> am personally familiar with:
> 
> The use of a particular, naturally ocurring protein for 
> treating a given disease is covered by someone else's patent, 
> but I modify the protein (in some non-obvious way) such that 
> in addition to treating the disease, it now has some new 
> properties (perhaps it is less toxic or it tastes like 
> strawberries). It is a new form of matter with novel 
> properties and therefore patentable. 
> 
> However, I would still need to obtain a license for the 
> original patent to use my own modified protein for treating 
> the disease in question, since that utility falls under the 
> scope of their claims. The original patent holders would in 
> turn have to license my patent to be able to use my new 
> protein to treat this same disease, so that their improved 
> treatment could benefit from the properties of being less 
> toxic or tasting like strawberries, which are covered under 
> the scope of my claims.
> 
> This actually happens all the time in the biotechnology sector.
> 
> I hope this is helpful
> 
> Best
> 
> Gordon
> 
> --- Mark Brownell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 12:12 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:
> > 
> > > My understanding is that for many, the point of
> > getting a patent is not
> > > even to prevent others from using the technology -
> > it may well be too
> > > broadly defined or have other problems. However,
> > if you have a patent,
> > > it guarantees your right to use what you patented
> > - so others cannot
> > > patent the idea later and (if they win in court)
> > keep you from using
> > > it.
> > 
> > Prior art and ) Copyright  also give you freedom to protect 
> yourself.
> > This company is a member of W3 consortium and they are using SGML - 
> > XML which is a markup language. You can't patent a markup language. 
> > It's too late. It's been blown out of the water by prior art.
> > 
> > I guess they have patented the process that occurs after 
> parsing the 
> > markup language. It must be highly defendable as an application 
> > example with regards to copyright.
> > 
> > Interesting idea though.
> > 
> > my 2 cents
> > 
> > Mark
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Re: testing on case

[Hershel Fisch]

Thanks, I think its a bit to much when I wanted it to set up query's , 
too many functions involved. I hoped that there is a
if param(x) "is upperCase" then put xxx  else put x
On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 03:46 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

On Dec 8, 2004, at 1:28 PM, Dar Scott wrote:
Untested:
function isCapitalized @x, n, m
constant capitalLetters = "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ"
return char 1 word n of line m of x is in capitalLetters
end isCapitalized
Whoops!
on mouseUp
  put "one two three" & lf & "Alpha beta" into x
  put isCapitalized(x,2,1) && isCapitalized(x,1,2)
end mouseUp
function isCapitalized @x, n, m
  constant capitalLetters = "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ"
  set the caseSensitive to true
  return char 1 word n of line m of x is in capitalLetters
end isCapitalized
Now tested.
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Re: interesting patent

[Gordon]

There seem to be some misconceptions about what
patents are for:

A U.S. patent as defined in section 35 of the U.S.
code does NOT assure the inventors of the right to
practice. It guarantees their exclusivity to practice
within the scope of the patent claims, for the
lifetime of the patent. 

If that sounds confusing, here's a real-world example
that I am personally familiar with:

The use of a particular, naturally ocurring protein
for treating a given disease is covered by someone
else's patent, but I modify the protein (in some
non-obvious way) such that in addition to treating the
disease, it now has some new properties (perhaps it is
less toxic or it tastes like strawberries). It is a
new form of matter with novel properties and therefore
patentable. 

However, I would still need to obtain a license for
the original patent to use my own modified protein for
treating the disease in question, since that utility
falls under the scope of their claims. The original
patent holders would in turn have to license my patent
to be able to use my new protein to treat this same
disease, so that their improved treatment could
benefit from the properties of being less toxic or
tasting like strawberries, which are covered under the
scope of my claims.

This actually happens all the time in the
biotechnology sector.

I hope this is helpful

Best

Gordon

--- Mark Brownell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 12:12 PM, Lynch,
> Jonathan wrote:
> 
> > My understanding is that for many, the point of
> getting a patent is not
> > even to prevent others from using the technology -
> it may well be too
> > broadly defined or have other problems. However,
> if you have a patent,
> > it guarantees your right to use what you patented
> - so others cannot
> > patent the idea later and (if they win in court)
> keep you from using 
> > it.
> 
> Prior art and © Copyright  also give you freedom to
> protect yourself. 
> This company is a member of W3 consortium and they
> are using SGML - XML 
> which is a markup language. You can't patent a
> markup language. It's 
> too late. It's been blown out of the water by prior
> art.
> 
> I guess they have patented the process that occurs
> after parsing the 
> markup language. It must be highly defendable as an
> application example 
> with regards to copyright.
> 
> Interesting idea though.
> 
> my 2 cents
> 
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Re: Wanted: idiot's guide to using Unicode in Rev

[ron barber]

Hi
Group URL  : 
http://www.egroups.co.jp/group/Runtime_Revolution_Users_Japan/
Group Owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Help URL   : http://help.yahoo.co.jp/help/jp/groups/
Ron
On Dec 8, 2004, at 12:01 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
Ben,
Maybe not so much help but a tip. I know there is in existence a 
Japanese Rev users group. Perhaps you can get some help there?

I don't know the URL but you may be able to Google it.
best,
Chipp
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Re: testing on case

[Dar Scott]

On Dec 8, 2004, at 1:28 PM, Dar Scott wrote:
Untested:
function isCapitalized @x, n, m
constant capitalLetters = "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ"
return char 1 word n of line m of x is in capitalLetters
end isCapitalized
Whoops!
on mouseUp
  put "one two three" & lf & "Alpha beta" into x
  put isCapitalized(x,2,1) && isCapitalized(x,1,2)
end mouseUp
function isCapitalized @x, n, m
  constant capitalLetters = "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ"
  set the caseSensitive to true
  return char 1 word n of line m of x is in capitalLetters
end isCapitalized
Now tested.
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Re: interesting patent

[Mark Brownell]

On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 12:12 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:
My understanding is that for many, the point of getting a patent is not
even to prevent others from using the technology - it may well be too
broadly defined or have other problems. However, if you have a patent,
it guarantees your right to use what you patented - so others cannot
patent the idea later and (if they win in court) keep you from using 
it.
Prior art and © Copyright  also give you freedom to protect yourself. 
This company is a member of W3 consortium and they are using SGML - XML 
which is a markup language. You can't patent a markup language. It's 
too late. It's been blown out of the water by prior art.

I guess they have patented the process that occurs after parsing the 
markup language. It must be highly defendable as an application example 
with regards to copyright.

Interesting idea though.
my 2 cents
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Re: testing on case

[Dar Scott]

On Dec 8, 2004, at 1:08 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
 how do I test on the case of a word of a line ?
Untested:
function isCapitalized @x, n, m
constant capitalLetters = "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ"
return char 1 word n of line m of x is in capitalLetters
end isCapitalized
If that misses the mark, consider matchText().
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Re: testing on case

[Hershel Fisch]

Sorry , meant "upper or lower case" (was to engaged in the work)
On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 03:19 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
What kind of test do you have in mind?
word 4 of line 5
the first word of line 6
the last word of the first line
"hello" is among the words of the last line
word 3 of line 6 is not word 2 of line 9
On Dec 8, 2004, at 3:08 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
HI , all
 how do I test on the case of a word of a line ?
Thanks, Hershel
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$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
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Re: testing on case

[Frank D. Engel, Jr.]

What kind of test do you have in mind?
word 4 of line 5
the first word of line 6
the last word of the first line
"hello" is among the words of the last line
word 3 of line 6 is not word 2 of line 9
On Dec 8, 2004, at 3:08 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
HI , all
 how do I test on the case of a word of a line ?
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Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
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testing on case

[Hershel Fisch]

HI , all
 how do I test on the case of a word of a line ?
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RE: interesting patent

[Lynch, Jonathan]

My understanding is that for many, the point of getting a patent is not
even to prevent others from using the technology - it may well be too
broadly defined or have other problems. However, if you have a patent,
it guarantees your right to use what you patented - so others cannot
patent the idea later and (if they win in court) keep you from using it.

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Subject: Re: interesting patent

The word "valid" is misleading here.

If a patent has issued it is "valid" in the sense that
its owners can drag you before a judge if they have a
case that you are infringing the patent - but the real
"validity" of the patent only becomes apparent at this
point. Many "valid" issued patents turn out not to be
worth the paper they are written on because they are
so poorly crafted that they are indefensible under
examination in a litigtaion process.

Patent examiners are obliged to check the facts as far
as they are able and if they find no impediment to the
patent issuing (existence of prior art, obviousness,
adequate disclosure to suport the claims etc. etc.
etc.) they will issue the patent - but ultimately, the
scope and effectiveness of the patent in assuring
exclusivity for its inventors within a particular
domain of activity, is never really known until it is
challenged in court.

BTW: I work in biotech, where "valid" issued patents
fall like flies in the legal bugzapper.

Best

Gordon

--- kee nethery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On Dec 8, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr.
> wrote:
> 
> > Hmm.. sounds like something other programs have
> been doing for a long 
> > time already.  Take FileMaker Pro, for example...
> >
> > I wonder if the patent is actually valid?
> 
> if it is issued it is valid. Does someone who cares
> have prior art that 
> would invalidate the patent and does someone who
> cares and has enough 
> money to invalidate it know about that prior art.
> That's the big 
> question. If issued, it is valid.
> 
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Re: interesting patent

[Gordon]

The word "valid" is misleading here.

If a patent has issued it is "valid" in the sense that
its owners can drag you before a judge if they have a
case that you are infringing the patent - but the real
"validity" of the patent only becomes apparent at this
point. Many "valid" issued patents turn out not to be
worth the paper they are written on because they are
so poorly crafted that they are indefensible under
examination in a litigtaion process.

Patent examiners are obliged to check the facts as far
as they are able and if they find no impediment to the
patent issuing (existence of prior art, obviousness,
adequate disclosure to suport the claims etc. etc.
etc.) they will issue the patent - but ultimately, the
scope and effectiveness of the patent in assuring
exclusivity for its inventors within a particular
domain of activity, is never really known until it is
challenged in court.

BTW: I work in biotech, where "valid" issued patents
fall like flies in the legal bugzapper.

Best

Gordon

--- kee nethery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On Dec 8, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr.
> wrote:
> 
> > Hmm.. sounds like something other programs have
> been doing for a long 
> > time already.  Take FileMaker Pro, for example...
> >
> > I wonder if the patent is actually valid?
> 
> if it is issued it is valid. Does someone who cares
> have prior art that 
> would invalidate the patent and does someone who
> cares and has enough 
> money to invalidate it know about that prior art.
> That's the big 
> question. If issued, it is valid.
> 
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Re: Setting fonts to be different in OSX and Windows

[J. Landman Gay]

On 12/7/04 5:11 PM, Anna Shn wrote:
Hello again! and thank you for your responses! I have some questions
about how to actually implement your suggestions:
Jacqueline Gay, you said:
Another way that sometimes works is to have a handler check >>the
platform that is running, and set the font size in Windows a
>>bit smaller than it is on a Mac. You can do this in a
>>preOpenCard handler if the changes affect only that card, or
>>do it more generally in a preOpenStack handler if the changes
>>need to be widespread. For example, set the textsize to 12 on
>>Mac and 11 on Windows.

What is preOpenCard/Stack and how do I access these items to change
them?
OpenStack and PreOpenStack are system messages that are sent whenever a 
stack opens. You can look up these terms in the dictionary. Just as 
mouseUp is a system message that is sent whenever the user clicks the 
mouse, you can write an openStack or preOpenStack handler to catch those 
events too. Whatever commands you place into these handlers will execute 
when the stack opens.

You can also look up the "platform" function in the dictionary. This 
function tells you what OS is running. You would check the platform to 
see if your stack is running on a Windows or Mac machine, and make font 
changes as needed depending on the OS.

For example:
on preOpenStack
 put the platform into pPlat
 if pPlat = "win32" then
   set the textsize of fld 1 of cd 1 to 12
 else if pPlat = "macos" then
   set the textsize of fld 1 of cd 1 to 14
 end if
end preOpenStack
You'll want to expand the text-setting commands to match your stack 
requirements. This handler will run every time the stack opens.

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RE: interesting patent

[Lynch, Jonathan]

Is RunRev patented?

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Kwinter
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Software patents hinder progress and favor large-caps which can afford
the 
legal battles such patents beg for

http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/


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To: "How to use Revolution" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: interesting patent


>
> On Dec 8, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
>
>> Hmm.. sounds like something other programs have been doing for a long

>> time already.  Take FileMaker Pro, for example...
>>
>> I wonder if the patent is actually valid?
>
> if it is issued it is valid. Does someone who cares have prior art
that 
> would invalidate the patent and does someone who cares and has enough 
> money to invalidate it know about that prior art. That's the big
question. 
> If issued, it is valid.
>
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Re: interesting patent

[David Kwinter]

Software patents hinder progress and favor large-caps which can afford the 
legal battles such patents beg for

http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/
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From: "kee nethery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "How to use Revolution" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: interesting patent


On Dec 8, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
Hmm.. sounds like something other programs have been doing for a long 
time already.  Take FileMaker Pro, for example...

I wonder if the patent is actually valid?
if it is issued it is valid. Does someone who cares have prior art that 
would invalidate the patent and does someone who cares and has enough 
money to invalidate it know about that prior art. That's the big question. 
If issued, it is valid.

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RE: slightly OT - list of processes under Windows

[Chris Sheffield]

Perfect!  Thanks, I knew there had to be something. :-)

Chris Sheffield
Software Development
Read Naturally


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Subject: RE: slightly OT - list of processes under Windows

try pstools from sysinternals.com

pslist for apps
pskill for X)
psfile for files opened

it's free

cheers
Xavier

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> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I need a command that I can use with the shell() function to 
> list all running processes on Windows 2000 and Windows XP.  
> Actually, I found "tasklist" for Windows XP, but this does 
> not work on Windows 2000.  Does anyone know of something 
> similar that can be used for that version of Windows?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: interesting patent

[kee nethery]

On Dec 8, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
Hmm.. sounds like something other programs have been doing for a long 
time already.  Take FileMaker Pro, for example...

I wonder if the patent is actually valid?
if it is issued it is valid. Does someone who cares have prior art that 
would invalidate the patent and does someone who cares and has enough 
money to invalidate it know about that prior art. That's the big 
question. If issued, it is valid.

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Re: interesting patent

[Gordon]

Dear Revolutionaries

I have glanced over this patent at the USPTO's web
site. The original filing seems to date back to
November 1999 and the 74 claims describe a flexible
document layout system that outwardly resembles the
kind of sequential, nested, vertical and horizontal
layout controls of the kind used by the GTK graphics
interface. In addition to altering the geometry of the
components on the page, there are dependent claims
that also allow for alteration of the form and
contents of each component.

As examples of the scope of the patent, claims 1 & 8
are interesting - I have reproduced them below.

NB: I am NOT an attorney NOR am I a patent agent so
all opinions expressed herein are utterly worthless
and are for entertainment purposes only (Yikes! I
sound like one of those Psychic Hotlines -
1-800-YOUR-DESTINY)

Best

Gordon


Here is claim 1:
1. A computerized method of laying out a document
containing a combination of text and shape elements,
said method comprising:

providing a user interface with controls for enabling
a user to:

place a sequence box, which has a sequencing axis, in
the document;

cause one or more shape elements to be located in the
sequence box;

cause a shape element, including one in the sequence
box having at least one text or shape element as
contents, to have a minimize property in at least one
dimension; and

cause a shape element, including one in the sequence
box, to have a maximize property in at least one
dimension; and

performing an automatic layout process in which
elements of the document are laid out onto a
2-dimensional area in which each such element is given
a precise position and size, including:

arranging shape elements, if any, placed within the
sequence box in a sequence along the sequence box's
sequencing axis;

minimizing the size given to any shape element which
has the minimize property in a given dimension,
including any shape element within the sequence box,
by making the element as small as its contents, if
any, will allow in the given dimension, over a given
length range; and

maximizing the size given to any shape element which
has the maximize property in a given dimension by
making the element expand to encompass space available
in the given dimension, over a given length range,
said maximizing including, if the maximized shape
element is within the sequence box, expanding it to
encompass space available within the sequence box.

Here is the dependent claim 8:
8. A method as in claim 1 wherein:

said interface is a WYSIWYG graphical user interface
which allows a user to select the placement of said
sequence box and the shape elements within it,
including allowing a user to use a pointing device to
create, position and size said shape elements; and

said layout process is performed interactively in
response to changes made to the document by the user
with said graphical user interface, to enable the user
to see a screen display of the layout of the document
showing any changes the user has just made to the
document.

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> U.S. Patent Awarded for Pageflex's Flexible Template
> Technology
> 
> CAMBRIDGE, Mass.--(BUSINESS WIRE)Pageflex
> (NASDAQ:BITS) 
> (www.pageflex.com), the leading provider of variable
> data publishing and Web-to-print 
> technology, today announced that the U.S. Patent and
> Trademark Office has awarded a 
> patent for Pageflex's flexible template technology. 
> 
>  Pageflex template technology enables a document
> layout to "flex," 
> accommodating variable content within sophisticated
> designer-specified guidelines. The 
> Pageflex XML-based composition engine handles page
> content (text and images) 
> separate from page form (layout). When the length or
> size of custom content is 
> different than the size of the box the content is
> flowing into, the box can 
> expand in either the horizontal or vertical
> direction (or both), to accommodate 
> the content. Designer-specified rules determine the
> maximum and minimum 
> dimensions, as well as behavior of the surrounding
> elements on the page. The result 
> is the ability to define sophisticated templates
> that accommodate a wide range 
> of variable content by flexing the page layout.
> Pageflex's U.S. patent 
> includes all of these capabilities as well as
> additional claims for related 
> capabilities. 
> 
>  "Pageflex solutions are founded on our unique
> flexible template technology," 
> said Anna Chagnon, Pageflex CEO. "Receiving this
> patent is an important 
> milestone as we accelerate on our growth plan,
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Re: interesting patent

[Frank D. Engel, Jr.]

Hmm.. sounds like something other programs have been doing for a long 
time already.  Take FileMaker Pro, for example...

I wonder if the patent is actually valid?
On Dec 8, 2004, at 1:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
U.S. Patent Awarded for Pageflex's Flexible Template Technology
CAMBRIDGE, Mass.--(BUSINESS WIRE)Pageflex (NASDAQ:BITS)
(www.pageflex.com), the leading provider of variable data publishing 
and Web-to-print
technology, today announced that the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office 
has awarded a
patent for Pageflex's flexible template technology.

 Pageflex template technology enables a document layout to "flex,"
accommodating variable content within sophisticated designer-specified 
guidelines. The
Pageflex XML-based composition engine handles page content (text and 
images)
separate from page form (layout). When the length or size of custom 
content is
different than the size of the box the content is flowing into, the 
box can
expand in either the horizontal or vertical direction (or both), to 
accommodate
the content. Designer-specified rules determine the maximum and minimum
dimensions, as well as behavior of the surrounding elements on the 
page. The result
is the ability to define sophisticated templates that accommodate a 
wide range
of variable content by flexing the page layout. Pageflex's U.S. patent
includes all of these capabilities as well as additional claims for 
related
capabilities.

 "Pageflex solutions are founded on our unique flexible template 
technology,"
said Anna Chagnon, Pageflex CEO. "Receiving this patent is an important
milestone as we accelerate on our growth plan, ensuring protection for 
our
innovations that help our customers compete successfully."
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$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep "John 3:16"
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Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
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Re: using links on the web

[Frank D. Engel, Jr.]

Another possibility is to do the conversion within Rev, something like 
this (untested code; note the lookupURL function -- it should be 
obvious what that is meant to do):

put empty into z
repeat for each line x in the htmlText of field "Input"
  put x into y
  put offset("put z into field "Output"
On Dec 8, 2004, at 12:07 PM, Derek Bump wrote:
I have a MySQL database with a table associating a correct URL to each
"ABCDE", but I can't find a way to recover "ABCDE" as a variable and
send it to the database.
I believe this problem could be solved by including a base url in your 
html code on the web...

http://www.yourdomain.com/scripts/mycode.php";>
A JavaScript would also do the trick, but I do not know what the code 
for that would be.

Derek Bump
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Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress
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RE: slightly OT - list of processes under Windows

[MisterX]

try pstools from sysinternals.com

pslist for apps
pskill for X)
psfile for files opened

it's free

cheers
Xavier

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> Subject: slightly OT - list of processes under Windows
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I need a command that I can use with the shell() function to 
> list all running processes on Windows 2000 and Windows XP.  
> Actually, I found "tasklist" for Windows XP, but this does 
> not work on Windows 2000.  Does anyone know of something 
> similar that can be used for that version of Windows?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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> Software Development
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Re: Windows standalone two handlers separated

[Frank D. Engel, Jr.]

On Dec 8, 2004, at 3:25 AM, Klaus Major wrote:
Hi Andrew,
btw: unrelated thing: if I have a wav file in my stack, how do I
a. find out how big it is
Sorry, no idea...
It's listed as a column in the Application Browser (at least it is in 
2.5).

It is also displayed in the property inspector for the clip.
Or you may check the 'size' property of the audio clip.
All of these give values in bytes.
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Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
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slightly OT - list of processes under Windows

[Chris Sheffield]

Hi All,

I need a command that I can use with the shell() function to list all
running processes on Windows 2000 and Windows XP.  Actually, I found
"tasklist" for Windows XP, but this does not work on Windows 2000.  Does
anyone know of something similar that can be used for that version of
Windows?

Thanks,

Chris Sheffield
Software Development
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Re: DreamCard Player does not "play" my app

[Richard Gaskin]

Mark Schonewille wrote:
A much better approach than using the DreamCard player is to create your 
own player with all the features you expect to need.
It's in RunRev's interest to make that unnecessary.
A good player is the second most important external communications tool 
after their web site.  They wouldn't let the web site lie broken, and 
hopefully they're prioritizing fixes to the player accordingly.

Please send feedback to RunRev on what you need from a player that isn't 
currently addressed, and post bug reports to Bugzilla.

The player is critical to the core mission.  It would be better not to 
have one at all than one that's weak enough to motivate folks to build 
their own.  Let's hope that doesn't have to happen:  with your feedback 
there's an opportunity to spruce it up into something you'll enjoy using.

--
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Re: Reminder: Open Directory listing for Transcript

[Richard Gaskin]

MisterX wrote:
-Original Message-

Open Directory is the world's leading hand-edited web 
directory, whose contents help feed Goodle, Yahoo, and most 
other major search engines.

Listing your Rev tools and tutorials there helps you get more 
hits, and helps Rev get more visibility.
It would be nice and even more beneficial to have everyone post everyone's
links in their websites!
Replicate the Open Directory effort on every Rev site?
Open Directory is truly open -- you can include feeds from it into your 
site, so if you want to provide those listings at your own Rev site you 
can just use this one master resource and there's no re-inventing that 
wheel.

As soon as the DMOZ listing gets as complete as mine I'll replace mine 
with it in a heartbeat.

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Re: DreamCard Player does not "play" my app

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Mark,
Congratulations. Probably, you got further than anyone else. I, 
for one, have never been able to get beyond the splash window.

A much better approach than using the DreamCard player is to 
create your own player with all the features you expect to need.

Best regards,
Mark
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
My first time submitting to the mailing list...
I've created the MacAddict example at home, and everything works as it should.
I emailed the MAForum.rev file to work, then downloaded the DreamCard player.
I can open the app, but it doesn't "Load" the Categories from the web site, nor 
does it load the web page when clicking on the Forum list.
Can anyone help with this?
Thanx in advance,
Mark Stuart
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Re: interesting patent

[Meitnik]

U.S. Patent Awarded for Pageflex's Flexible Template Technology

CAMBRIDGE, Mass.--(BUSINESS WIRE)Pageflex (NASDAQ:BITS) 
(www.pageflex.com), the leading provider of variable data publishing and 
Web-to-print 
technology, today announced that the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office has 
awarded a 
patent for Pageflex's flexible template technology. 

 Pageflex template technology enables a document layout to "flex," 
accommodating variable content within sophisticated designer-specified 
guidelines. The 
Pageflex XML-based composition engine handles page content (text and images) 
separate from page form (layout). When the length or size of custom content is 
different than the size of the box the content is flowing into, the box can 
expand in either the horizontal or vertical direction (or both), to accommodate 
the content. Designer-specified rules determine the maximum and minimum 
dimensions, as well as behavior of the surrounding elements on the page. The 
result 
is the ability to define sophisticated templates that accommodate a wide range 
of variable content by flexing the page layout. Pageflex's U.S. patent 
includes all of these capabilities as well as additional claims for related 
capabilities. 

 "Pageflex solutions are founded on our unique flexible template technology," 
said Anna Chagnon, Pageflex CEO. "Receiving this patent is an important 
milestone as we accelerate on our growth plan, ensuring protection for our 
innovations that help our customers compete successfully." 
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Re: Battery testing, volume booster

[Chipp Walters]

Hi Jonathan,
You might throw some votes at Bugzilla Bug 704 "Keep window always in 
the background" - an enhancement request for a new window mode.

-Chipp
I am working on something like this to force a window to always stay on
the bottom level. I think this is probably a very difficult approach,
with many opportunities for odd problems - but it might work if nothing
else does.
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DreamCard Player does not "play" my app

[mfstuart]

Hi all,

My first time submitting to the mailing list...

I've created the MacAddict example at home, and everything works as it should.
I emailed the MAForum.rev file to work, then downloaded the DreamCard player.
I can open the app, but it doesn't "Load" the Categories from the web site, nor 
does it load the web page when clicking on the Forum list.

Can anyone help with this?

Thanx in advance,

Mark Stuart

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RE: Reminder: Open Directory listing for Transcript

[MisterX]

Rich...

It would be nice and even more beneficial to have everyone post everyone's
links in their websites! Not all visitors we get on our webs are computer
geeks - but this will definitely branch them to the runrev cyberworldwide
"culture"

Smatofactly (snippet for as a matter of fact), many of the links I visit
miss about 80% of the links related to RunRev. Very fu have taken the time
to just fill in 17 addresses at most! It's shameful compared to the help and
efforts that are just spilled all over this list, yet it has more value in
terms of marketing for new clients than the list has.

What about the 40 HC urls still lurking out there?

Food for Thought by UB40 - I can improvize on it since tonite on my midi
kbd!!!

Regards
Xav

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Gaskin
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 18:39
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Reminder: Open Directory listing for Transcript
> 
> I noticed there are still a great many valuable contributions 
> to the Rev community not listed in Open Directory:
> 
> 
> 
> Open Directory is the world's leading hand-edited web 
> directory, whose contents help feed Goodle, Yahoo, and most 
> other major search engines.
> 
> Listing your Rev tools and tutorials there helps you get more 
> hits, and helps Rev get more visibility.
> 
> There's a link on the upper-right of that page to let you add 
> your own stuff there -- it takes only a minute to do, and can 
> be quite valuable to everyone who uses Rev or might like to.
> 
> --
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Re: Standalone Problems for OSX and OS9 apps

[Ben Rubinstein]

Richard wrote:
>> According to Tuviah's note on the latest of the above reports, the problem is
>> in the development tool (CodeWarrior) that the Mac engine is built in, so
>> RunRev can't fix it until Metrowerks fix that.  Which puts me in somwewhat of
>> a biter bit situation, since there are a number of bugs in my products that I
>> tell my users "I can't do anything about it until my development environment
>> [rev] is fixed".  Now I know how they feel!
> 
> Why not just build them a native version for OS X?  They'll have a more
> consistent experience with the rest of the OS, and it'll perform better
> than running under the Classic layer.

Sorry, I lacked clarity.  Two separate things.

- I have users actually running OS 9 for some of my tools.  I need to build
them a 'Classic' standalone.  The problem is I can't easily test it since my
development machine is MacOS X.  I sometimes literally have to reboot into
Classic - and when this machine packs up (can't be much longer now) I won't
even have that option.  Currently the weird situation is that I can more
easily test my Windows standalones (using VPC) than I can Classic ones.

- entirely separate, there are issues such as the - now fixed! - inability
to use file extensions in OS X, the consequences of which have been noted
and complained of by my users; to who I've given exactly the response that
Tuviah has had to for #2212.
 
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Re: Wanted: idiot's guide to using Unicode in Rev

[Chipp Walters]

Ben,
Maybe not so much help but a tip. I know there is in existence a 
Japanese Rev users group. Perhaps you can get some help there?

I don't know the URL but you may be able to Google it.
best,
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Reminder: Open Directory listing for Transcript

[Richard Gaskin]

I noticed there are still a great many valuable contributions to the Rev 
community not listed in Open Directory:


Open Directory is the world's leading hand-edited web directory, whose 
contents help feed Goodle, Yahoo, and most other major search engines.

Listing your Rev tools and tutorials there helps you get more hits, and 
helps Rev get more visibility.

There's a link on the upper-right of that page to let you add your own 
stuff there -- it takes only a minute to do, and can be quite valuable 
to everyone who uses Rev or might like to.

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Re: using links on the web

[Derek Bump]

> I have a MySQL database with a table associating a correct URL to each 
> "ABCDE", but I can't find a way to recover "ABCDE" as a variable and 
> send it to the database.

I believe this problem could be solved by including a base url in your html 
code on the web...

http://www.yourdomain.com/scripts/mycode.php";>

A JavaScript would also do the trick, but I do not know what the code for that 
would be.
 

Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software

Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
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Re: Standalone Problems for OSX and OS9 apps

[Richard Gaskin]

Ben Rubinstein wrote:
As Trevor noted, it applies in Classic, not under
true OS 9.
http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=379
http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=1466
http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=1468
http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2212
...
According to Tuviah's note on the latest of the above reports, the problem
is in the development tool (CodeWarrior) that the Mac engine is built in, so
RunRev can't fix it until Metrowerks fix that.  Which puts me in somwewhat
of a biter bit situation, since there are a number of bugs in my products
that I tell my users "I can't do anything about it until my development
environment [rev] is fixed".  Now I know how they feel!
Why not just build them a native version for OS X?  They'll have a more 
consistent experience with the rest of the OS, and it'll perform better 
than running under the Classic layer.

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RE: Battery testing, volume booster

[Lynch, Jonathan]

Can the volume boost be affected through VBScript, C, or Jscript?

If so, you could maybe create a script in Rev that does the following:

1) Checks to see if the relevant .vbs file (or whichever language you
use) is located in the same folder as your stack

2) if it is not found, then writes a .vbs file with the necessary
VBScript code

3) uses the shell command with the CScript command-line command to run
the VBScript

I am working on something like this to force a window to always stay on
the bottom level. I think this is probably a very difficult approach,
with many opportunities for odd problems - but it might work if nothing
else does.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard
Miller
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 7:01 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Battery testing, volume booster

Thanks, Sarah. That seems to work fine. Much appreciated.

Still looking for ideas on the volume boost from anyone else.

Richard


On Dec 7, 2004, at 5:51 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Hi Richard,
>
>> Looking for ideas on how to accomplish two functions from within Rev:
>>
>> 1. Read the status of the internal battery (i.e. % charged);
>>
> I can't help with the volume boost, but here is the script I use for 
> reading the battery charge in an iBook. It requires the shell command 
> "battery" which you can download from 
> . I couldn't get that link 
> to work this morning, so if you want the shell command, let me know 
> off-list and I can email you a copy.
> I put it into the "/usr/bin/" folder but you can put it anywhere you 
> like if you send the full path to the shell function. It can give you 
> a whole heap of info - run it in Terminal and check the help, but the 
> function below just returns the percent charge or "n/a" if there is no

> battery.
>
>
> -- check battery level using OS X shell command
> -- battery script needs to be in /usr/bin/
> --
> -- returns percent charge or "n/a"
> --
> function batteryLevel
>   if isOSX() then
> put shell("battery csv") into tBatt
> put last item of line 1 of tBatt into tPercent
> put item 4 of tBatt into tFlags
> if char 6 of tFlags = 0 then
>   -- no battery connected
>   put "n/a" into tPercent
> end if
>   else
> -- OS 9 can't use shell commands
> put "n/a" into tPercent
>   end if
>   return tPercent
> end batteryLevel
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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Re: Wanted: idiot's guide to using Unicode in Rev

[Kenji Kojima]

Ben,
Convert the whole field ascii to unicode.
Maybe this is the one of workarounds.
AsciiToUni was made by Kiyoshi Kamogawa.
on asciiToUni pFldName, pLang
  if pLang is "" then
put ",japanese" into pLang
  end if
  put number of lines of fld pFldName into tNumOfLines
  lock screen
  repeat with i=1 to tNumOfLines
put 0 into tNumOfChars
repeat with h=1 to (number of chars of line i of fld pFldName)
  if (textFont of char h of line i of fld pFldName) contains "," 
then
put tNumOfChars + 2 into tNumOfChars
put h + 1 into h
  else
put tNumOfChars + 2 into tNumOfChars
  end if
end repeat
repeat with j=1 to tNumOfChars
  if (textFont of char j of line i of fld pFldName) contains "," 
then
put j + 1 into j
  else
set useUnicode to true
put uniEncode(char j of line i of fld pFldName) into tUniChar
put tUniChar into char j of line i of fld pFldName
set textFont of char j to j+1 of line i of fld pFldName to pLang
set useUnicode to false
put j+1 into j
  end if
end repeat
  end repeat
end asciiToUni

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On 2004/12/08, at 9:11, Ben Rubinstein wrote:
Thanks to Ron Barber for some helpful responses to my previous mail.  
I'm
making very slow and stumbling progress - still, progress!  Now I've 
hit
another area in which my incomprehension may be mixing with Rev bugs.

Working with a field which has interited Geneva as it's font. Set the
htmltext of a field to some text with a unicode character, eg
Hellō, world.Goodbye.
Expected is a single unicode character (o-macron), in otherwise English
text, ie
Hell, world.
Goodbye.
Result is that all the text from the unicode character to the end of 
the
paragraph is displayed as Japanese characters, ie
Hell
Goodbye.

I can construct the desired behaviour by inserting the character after 
the
rest of the text has been set; that is, first I set the field to the 
text
Hello, world.
Goodbye.

then execute the statements
put "ō" into x
set the htmlText of char 5 of fld 1 to x
Then I get the desired appearance.  I then ask for the htmlText of the 
whole
field, I get the string I started with, that is
Hellō, world.Goodbye.

In other words, setting the htmlText of the field to the htmlText of 
the
field changes it (rendering all the characters after the o-macron to
japanese characters. Is this a bug?  Is it a known bug?  Is it in 
bugzilla?
Is there a workaround?

Note that the same does not occur with unicodeText - eg given a field
constructed as above, the statement
set the unicodeText of fld 1 to the unicodeText of fld 1
doesn't change the text (but of course it does change any style 
attributes,
so this isn't by itself a solution to my problem.)

Also note, attempted workaround: explicitly changing the font of the 
next
character works, ie setting the field to:

Hellō,
world.Goodbye.
so forcing the comma that immediately follows o-macron back to english
works; but this isn't a great solution in my general case, as the next
character might be anything - a plain character, another unicode 
entity, the
opening of another markup tag.  Coding for the general case would be a 
real
PITA.  (I also tried just using the font tags without enclosing a 
character,
that is

Hellō,
world.Goodbye.
Sadly this didn't work!
Any help, tips, pointers to documentation, or answers to the specific
questions above would be very gratefully received.
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Re: Wanted: idiot's guide to using Unicode in Rev

[Ben Rubinstein]

Thanks to Ron Barber for some helpful responses to my previous mail.  I'm
making very slow and stumbling progress - still, progress!  Now I've hit
another area in which my incomprehension may be mixing with Rev bugs.

Working with a field which has interited Geneva as it's font. Set the
htmltext of a field to some text with a unicode character, eg
Hellō, world.Goodbye.

Expected is a single unicode character (o-macron), in otherwise English
text, ie
Hell, world.
Goodbye.

Result is that all the text from the unicode character to the end of the
paragraph is displayed as Japanese characters, ie
Hell
Goodbye.

I can construct the desired behaviour by inserting the character after the
rest of the text has been set; that is, first I set the field to the text
Hello, world.
Goodbye.

then execute the statements
put "ō" into x
set the htmlText of char 5 of fld 1 to x

Then I get the desired appearance.  I then ask for the htmlText of the whole
field, I get the string I started with, that is
Hellō, world.Goodbye.

In other words, setting the htmlText of the field to the htmlText of the
field changes it (rendering all the characters after the o-macron to
japanese characters. Is this a bug?  Is it a known bug?  Is it in bugzilla?
Is there a workaround?

Note that the same does not occur with unicodeText - eg given a field
constructed as above, the statement
set the unicodeText of fld 1 to the unicodeText of fld 1

doesn't change the text (but of course it does change any style attributes,
so this isn't by itself a solution to my problem.)

Also note, attempted workaround: explicitly changing the font of the next
character works, ie setting the field to:

Hellō,
world.Goodbye.

so forcing the comma that immediately follows o-macron back to english
works; but this isn't a great solution in my general case, as the next
character might be anything - a plain character, another unicode entity, the
opening of another markup tag.  Coding for the general case would be a real
PITA.  (I also tried just using the font tags without enclosing a character,
that is

Hellō,
world.Goodbye.

Sadly this didn't work!

Any help, tips, pointers to documentation, or answers to the specific
questions above would be very gratefully received.

 
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Re: Standalone Problems for OSX and OS9 apps

[Ben Rubinstein]

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>> Trevor DeVore wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>> Are you testing the OS 9 standalone on an OS 9 machine or using
>>> Classic with OS X?  If you are using Classic then reading files will
>>> not work.  It works fine if running under OS 9 however.
>
> On 8 Dec 2004, at 9:32 am, Stephen Barncard wrote:
>> Why on earth won't a simple file read work in Classic? Even Hypercard
>> works fine in classic! that is the most basic thing a program can do!
>> Is this a bug?
>> [snip]
>
> You can read files in Classic, but as the file paths are different, you
> need to use the revMacFromUnixPath function to translate your file
> paths.
> [snip] 

No, it really is a bug.  As Trevor noted, it applies in Classic, not under
true OS 9.

http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=379
http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=1466
http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=1468
http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2212

At one point it appeared to have been fixed - however I think this may be
the continuing confusion between Classic under X versus true OS 9.  It is a
bug, and it is fantastically annoying for anyone developing under OS X who
still needs to support OS 9, as for many apps it is simply impossible to
test them under Classic.

According to Tuviah's note on the latest of the above reports, the problem
is in the development tool (CodeWarrior) that the Mac engine is built in, so
RunRev can't fix it until Metrowerks fix that.  Which puts me in somwewhat
of a biter bit situation, since there are a number of bugs in my products
that I tell my users "I can't do anything about it until my development
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Re: RevOnline

[Robert Brenstein]

--- David Squance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Unfortunately, the user name is of no use to me,
 since it appears
 RevOnline is restricted to those with RR2.5 which I
 can't afford. 
 Thanks anyhow.
 Dave

RevOnline is also in the Dreamcard player -- so just
download and install this free player, and you can
access the content of RevOnline, just not publish your
stacks there...
Jan Schenkel.
Only if not using OS9. The player is crippled in OS9. Bug 2009.
Robert
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Re: Windows standalone two handlers separated

[Klaus Major]

Hi Andrew,
I've got another clue about why my windows standalone is not working.  
Okay, my script into two halves-- one in the card script and one in 
the script of a button.  At the end if the card script section it says
send parttwo to card button "instructions"

...And I made sure to put all of the relevant local variables (only 1) 
into a global variable, so that it could be accessed in the script of 
the card button "instructions".
You could even send that local var as a parameter to your button, see 
below...

However, It seems as though my standalone is only running the card 
script section, and then not going to the script of cd btn 
"instructions".  Is there any known error that Windows standalones 
have with, as in this case, one handler calling a handler that's 
located elsewhere?
If you specify the exact location of the button it will work!
Like:
...
send "parttwo" to btn "name here" of cd x ## of stack y
## if the button is inanother stack...
...
Please note the quotes!
Or with the above mentioned parameter:
local varname
on xyz
   send "parttwo varname" to btn "name here" of cd x
...
And in the button:
on parttwo whattheheck
   ## do something with whattheheck
...
Make sure that "varname" is not empty! ;-)
btw: unrelated thing: if I have a wav file in my stack, how do I
a. find out how big it is
Sorry, no idea...
b. delete it?
In the preerences -> Application Browser check "Show audio clips" (and 
"Show vieoclips")
then you can select your sound and delete it in the App Browser.

Thanks  :)
Andrew
Regards
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