date:20050119

Kevin Miller wrote:
On 19/1/05 6:13 am, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

normally more anemic than the Rev docs.  But this is what it took me to
find them in Rev:
1. Open Documentation
2. Typed Li
3. Dismissed a dialog telling me that Li could not be found.
4. Managed to type an m before -
5. Dismissed a dialog telling me that Lim could not be found.
6. Squeezed in typing an i when -
7. Dismissed a dialog telling me Limi could not be found.
8. Typed the ts really fast, which brought up:
 Commands and Function
   Memory and Limits Reference
   

Please note that this reference is also available directly in the Help menu.
Help - Quick Reference Guides - Memory and Limits Reference.
 

Thanks Kevin, that's good to know.
I'm curious if you have any comment on the mis-behaviour of the Filter 
function. It must surely be a bug to say that there are no matches for 
Lim or Limi and then find the match for Limits.

Presumably, now that someone at RunRev is aware of the problem, they 
will ensure it is entered into Bugzilla and fixed in the course of time; 
it would be helpful to let the list know the BZ number once this has 
happened.

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Ich werde ab  19.01.2005 nicht im Büro sein. Ich kehre zurück am
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Ich werde Ihre Nachricht nach meiner Rückkehr beantworten.

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Re: Characters not displaying in a field?

2005-01-19 Thread Kevin Miller

On 19/1/05 11:57 am, Alex Tweedly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks Kevin, that's good to know.
 
 I'm curious if you have any comment on the mis-behaviour of the Filter
 function. It must surely be a bug to say that there are no matches for
 Lim or Limi and then find the match for Limits.
 
 Presumably, now that someone at RunRev is aware of the problem, they
 will ensure it is entered into Bugzilla and fixed in the course of time;
 it would be helpful to let the list know the BZ number once this has
 happened.

There will very shortly be an update which includes a fix to this.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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RE: Characters not displaying in a field?

2005-01-19 Thread Lynch, Jonathan

I bet you could write the data to a text file, and have the file open in
whatever app you use to view text files. That way, it would still be
immediately viewable, even if not in Rev.

-Original Message-
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nethery
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 12:42 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Characters not displaying in a field?

On Jan 18, 2005, at 6:24 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

 Mark Smith wrote:
 I believe Rev has a problem displaying more than a certain number of 
 characters on one line ie. with no returns...the characters are 
 there, but they don't display properly. I don't know what the limit 
 is, but clearly  14 :(
 I have an app that stores long series of numbers, delimited by 
 commas, in custom properties. I do this because I have to do a lot of

 calculations using 'item n to n+n' of longSeriesOfNumbers... if I 
 look at the custom properties in the inspector, they are displayed 
 wrongly or not at all, but the numbers are all there, and my 
 operations on them work correctly, so it is just a display issue, I 
 think.

 It is.  Variables and custom properties are not affected.

 The maximum number of chars that can be on any given line is 65,535, 
 and the total field max is about 4Gb.

thank you. I can watch for long lines and then put up an alert telling 
them that it's there, they just cannot see it.

Also, these limits should be in the docs. The old Hypercard manual had 
a back section on limits and I reached some of them. I'd like to see 
limits stated in the run rev docs.

 Of course in most cases that's more than you'll ever need to display 
 to the user.

uh, no, I actually wanted to display the results of an SQL query and it 
had no spaces and was longer than that limit. Normally the results are 
viewable and the really long results get copied into a text document 
and formatted for viewing. But in this case, it looked like the results 
were blank and that was my assumption (something went wrong with my 
code?) until on a whim I copied and pasted into a text document and saw 
that it was all there.

But, thank you very very much for an understanding of the limits. Now I 
can add an alert when the data is invisible.

Kee

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Re: Opening custom files by Drag and Drop in standalone application

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I'd imagine you can fix this on a Mac by intercepting the apple event 
which is sent to the stack.

Under Windows, you would need to check the $1 variable when starting 
the standalone, or check the openStacks or some such, and if a stack is 
specified, close it right away, display an error message, and quit?  
(Just a guess)

On Jan 19, 2005, at 2:42 AM, Ken Ray wrote:
On 1/18/05 11:55 AM, Alejandro Tejada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on Mon, 17 Jan 2005
Ken Ray wrote:
When you launch an MC/Rev app, any command line
information is sent to the
application and is retrievable via *environment
variables* numbered $0 on up.
Hi Ken,
I have read this useful Programming tip in your
website, and TRY to use it in an standalone
player to OPEN ONLY the custom documents of that
application.
But when i drag and drop a Rev or MC stack to a
standalone i had created, IT OPENS... :-(
Yes, and this may be a bug (I tested Windows) - you get the path to the
stack you dropped in $1, but you don't get any messages to trap to 
prevent
that stack from opening... I tried trapping preOpenStack and 
openStack, and
it only triggers for the application, not the document stack that is
opening.

I think you should log this as a bug, unless someone has an answer for
this...
Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
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Re: Windows externals and the imagePixmapID

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Thank you!
On Jan 19, 2005, at 4:47 AM, Thierry Arbellot wrote:
imagePixmapID is an HBITMAP
Thierry.
On 2005, Jan 18, , at 19:44, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
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Does anyone know what form the imagePixmapID takes under the Windows 
engine for Rev?  Is it an HBITMAP or an HDC, or something else 
entirely?

Thank you!
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
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John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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Re: living and learning (Re: RunRev vs RealBasic (Richard Gaskin))

2005-01-19 Thread Geoff Canyon

On Jan 17, 2005, at 12:12 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
On another app, though I *had* to use the hide/show groups method 
because only part of a window (card) changes in response to the users 
selections.
Note that the multi-card solution for tabs can still be used even if 
only a part of the window needs to change, as long as there is only 
one. You can group everything else (perhaps along with the tab panel 
itself) and include it on all the cards. Then create only what you want 
to change as card controls.

You _have_ to use the show/hide groups technique (or something similar) 
if you have more than one tab panel and they have to change 
independently.

regards,
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Re: Opening custom files by Drag and Drop in standalone application

2005-01-19 Thread Ken Ray

On 1/19/05 8:30 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 I'd imagine you can fix this on a Mac by intercepting the apple event
 which is sent to the stack.

You're right about that... and you can intercept the event *before* the
stack window opens of the document stack.
 
 Under Windows, you would need to check the $1 variable when starting
 the standalone, or check the openStacks or some such, and if a stack is
 specified, close it right away, display an error message, and quit?
 (Just a guess)

Yes, although the problem is that the document stack always displays before
you can do anything about it, so it looks funky. :-)

I still think this is a bug, though...

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Re: revMail fails on some Macs

2005-01-19 Thread J. Landman Gay

On 1/18/05 10:38 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:
What exactly does the Mac need to ensure that there is an email client 
automatically will be invoked by revMail? I can't find any preference in 
OS X for default mail app that requires setting. No more internet 
config and apple has this bizarre requirment to set the default browser 
from within Safari, 
In Panther, they've done the same idiotic thing for email -- you have to 
set the default email reader from within Apple's Mail app.

Jaguar was better, these settings were in the System prefs.
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Re: revMail fails on some Macs

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You can also use the More Internet preference pane; see:
http://www.monkeyfood.com/software/moreInternet/
On Jan 19, 2005, at 12:28 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
On 1/18/05 10:38 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:
What exactly does the Mac need to ensure that there is an email 
client automatically will be invoked by revMail? I can't find any 
preference in OS X for default mail app that requires setting. No 
more internet config and apple has this bizarre requirment to set the 
default browser from within Safari,
In Panther, they've done the same idiotic thing for email -- you have 
to set the default email reader from within Apple's Mail app.

Jaguar was better, these settings were in the System prefs.
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$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16
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Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
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Re: Opening custom files by Drag and Drop in standalone

2005-01-19 Thread Alejandro Tejada

Alejandro Tejada wrote:

 I have read this useful Programming tip in your
 website, and TRY to use it in an standalone
 player to OPEN ONLY the custom documents of that
 application.

 But when i drag and drop a Rev or MC stack to a
 standalone i had created, IT OPENS... :-(

Ken Ray answer:

 Yes, and this may be a bug (I tested Windows) - 
 you get the path to the stack you dropped in $1, 
 but you don't get any messages to trap to 
 prevent that stack from opening... 
 I tried trapping preOpenStack and 
 openStack, and it only triggers for the 
 application, not the document stack that is
 opening.
 I think you should log this as a bug, unless someone
 has an answer for this...

I even try with the message:

On Startup

but not even within this handler,
i could prevent the stack from opening... :-(
I really hope that it were possible.

Could you test your handler within
the startup message? (Crossing my fingers) :-)

I believe that everyone rolled their own file
format, using the stack format as a starting point...
so, i'm a bit surprised by this.

How many developers use the unmodified stack
format as document file format 
of their applications?

Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

 Under Windows, you would need to check 
 the $1 variable when starting 
 the standalone, or check the openStacks 
 or some such, and if a stack is 
 specified, close it right away, display 
 an error message, and quit? (Just a guess)

I dont like that another file, created by
anyone opens in my application.
Not even a bit... ;-(

I do not want to use the securemode in my
apps because sometimes is necessary to save
a file in the desktop.

Ken Ray wrote:

 the problem is that the document stack 
 always displays before you can do anything 
 about it, so it looks funky. :-)

and all stacks are able (from a preopenstack handler)
to copy binary files to hard disks, change 
registry settings, a maybe even run an
executable, etc, etc...

 I still think this is a bug, though...

i have not too much experience posting 
bugs reports to Bugzilla.

Ken, if you could post this bug, please do.
Write back to the mail list for the number
assigned to this report.

I'm really interested in learning a solution 
for this.

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Re: revMail fails on some Macs

2005-01-19 Thread Ken Ray

On 1/19/05 11:28 AM, J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 1/18/05 10:38 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:
 
 What exactly does the Mac need to ensure that there is an email client
 automatically will be invoked by revMail? I can't find any preference in
 OS X for default mail app that requires setting. No more internet
 config and apple has this bizarre requirment to set the default browser
 from within Safari,
 
 In Panther, they've done the same idiotic thing for email -- you have to
 set the default email reader from within Apple's Mail app.
 
 Jaguar was better, these settings were in the System prefs.

That information is in the LaunchServices.plist file... the problem is that
you can only get the company identifier (ilike com.apple.mail and not the
*true* app name easily - I think the rest is obfuscated. Here's what I've
used in the past, but it only supports Apple Mail, Entourage, and QuickMail,
otherwise it returns Other:

function stsDefaultMailClient
  -- Mac OS X only
  local tIdentifier,tPrefData
  put url(file:~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.LaunchServices.pList) into
tData
  put lineOffset(keyU:mailto/key,tData) into tLine
  if tLine  0 then
put lineOffset(/array,tData,tLine) into tEndLine
if tEndLine  0 then
  put line (tLine+1) to (tLine+tEndLine) of tData into tChunk
  get matchText(tChunk,string(.*?)/string,pIdentifier)
  get matchText(tChunk,(?s)data(.*?)/data,tPrefData)
  put base64Decode(tPrefData) into tPrefData
  replace null with  in tPrefData
  set the itemDel to numToChar(18)
  put item 2 of tPrefData into tPath
  put charToNum(char 1 of tPath) into tLength
  delete char 1 of tPath
  put char 1 to tLength of tPath into pPath
  switch pIdentifier
  case com.microsoft.entourage
return Entourage
break
  case com.apple.mail
return Mail
break
  case com.outspring.quickmail
return QuickMail
break
  default
return Other
break
  end switch
end if
  end if
  return 
end stsDefaultMailClient

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
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Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 16, Issue 57

2005-01-19 Thread Ken Norris

Hi David, Sivakatirswami, et al.
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:56:02 -0700
From: David Squance [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: revMail fails on some Macs
On Jan 18, 2005, at 9:38 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:
What exactly does the Mac need to ensure that there is an email client
automatically will be invoked by revMail? I can't find any preference
in OS X for default mail app that requires setting.

??
Very simple. Panther:
1) Open Mail and select Preferences from the menu.
2) From the Prefs window, select the General icon at top left.
3) Click the Default Email Reader popup and choose select.
4) You should get a list of applications. Choose the email reader you 
want (assuming it is installed).

HTH,
Ken N.
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Re: revMail fails on some Macs

2005-01-19 Thread Ken Norris

OOPS! Sorry, forgot  to change-out the RE header,
Hi David, Sivakatirswami, et al.
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:56:02 -0700
From: David Squance [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: revMail fails on some Macs
On Jan 18, 2005, at 9:38 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:
What exactly does the Mac need to ensure that there is an email client
automatically will be invoked by revMail? I can't find any preference
in OS X for default mail app that requires setting.

??
Very simple. Panther:
1) Open Mail and select Preferences from the menu.
2) From the Prefs window, select the General icon at top left.
3) Click the Default Email Reader popup and choose select.
4) You should get a list of applications. Choose the email reader you 
want (assuming it is installed).

HTH,
Ken N.
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Re: Characters not displaying in a field?

2005-01-19 Thread kee nethery

Wow, one of the first things I did was to search for limit with the 
assumption that it would find limits. Thank you for letting me know 
that the search is broken and that I will need to try all permutations 
of a word to see if it is in the documentation.

Kee
On Jan 18, 2005, at 10:13 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
kee nethery wrote:
The maximum number of chars that can be on any given line is 65,535, 
and the total field max is about 4Gb.
thank you. I can watch for long lines and then put up an alert 
telling them that it's there, they just cannot see it.
Also, these limits should be in the docs.
Agreed.  I came across them in the old MC docs a while back, which are 
normally more anemic than the Rev docs.  But this is what it took me 
to find them in Rev:

1. Open Documentation
2. Typed Li
3. Dismissed a dialog telling me that Li could not be found.
4. Managed to type an m before -
5. Dismissed a dialog telling me that Lim could not be found.
6. Squeezed in typing an i when -
7. Dismissed a dialog telling me Limi could not be found.
8. Typed the ts really fast, which brought up:
   Commands and Function
 Memory and Limits Reference
No sooner could I ask What is this doing in 'Commands and 
Functions'? than I discovered that while the other limits are shown 
(number of objects in a group, length of object names, etc.), and it 
does mention the number of chars in a line, it doesn't mention that 
this also applies to using the sort command on a variable.

Even with that minor ommission it's a good read, and if you're a quick 
typist you might be able to cut the number of steps to get there down 
to four or five. ;)

PS: Is there a preference to turn off the Constantly try to search 
whatever's being typed in real-time option in favor of any more 
explicit option (Enter key, Search button) like one finds in nearly 
any other search box?

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Re: Opening custom files by Drag and Drop in standalone

Alejandro Tejada wrote:
Alejandro Tejada wrote:

I have read this useful Programming tip in your
website, and TRY to use it in an standalone
player to OPEN ONLY the custom documents of that
application.
But when i drag and drop a Rev or MC stack to a
standalone i had created, IT OPENS... :-(

Ken Ray answer:
Yes, and this may be a bug (I tested Windows) - 
you get the path to the stack you dropped in $1, 
but you don't get any messages to trap to 
prevent that stack from opening... 
I tried trapping preOpenStack and 
openStack, and it only triggers for the 
application, not the document stack that is
opening.
I think you should log this as a bug, unless someone
has an answer for this...
This is strange, as I'd thought the only way for an app to be able to 
open documents dropped on it is to assign acceptable file types to it in 
the Windows registry.

If you're not making that registry entry how does the OS know to allow 
your app to accept drops of those files?


i have not too much experience posting 
bugs reports to Bugzilla.

Ken, if you could post this bug, please do.
Write back to the mail list for the number
assigned to this report.
Ken could give you the fish, but you'd really be much happier in the 
long run with the fishing pole.  Bugzilla has one of the ugliest UIs 
ever, but after a few posts it becomes acceptable.  It only takes a 
minute to register and confirm, and then you have the keys to the 
kingdom as far as communicating and monitoring technical issues to the 
other half of your development team, the keepers of the engine.

Bonus:  once you're registerest you get to apply votes to feature 
requests, which can be very useful in helping RunRev prioritize 
development efforts.

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Re: living and learning (Re: RunRev vs RealBasic (Richard Gaskin))

2005-01-19 Thread Dan Shafer

Geoff
Good point. I have a mixture of the two types of needs, but when I can, 
I now use the card method as it is much more flexible and easier to 
code.

Dan
On Jan 19, 2005, at 7:37 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote:
On Jan 17, 2005, at 12:12 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
On another app, though I *had* to use the hide/show groups method 
because only part of a window (card) changes in response to the users 
selections.
Note that the multi-card solution for tabs can still be used even if 
only a part of the window needs to change, as long as there is only 
one. You can group everything else (perhaps along with the tab panel 
itself) and include it on all the cards. Then create only what you 
want to change as card controls.

You _have_ to use the show/hide groups technique (or something 
similar) if you have more than one tab panel and they have to change 
independently.

regards,
Geoff Canyon
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Re: revMail fails on some Macs

2005-01-19 Thread Sivakatirswami

Thanks to everyone for pointing out the not-so-obvious  -- I would 
never have thought to look in mail.apps prefs.

But, I decided to transcend the local configuration as the prospect 
of mentoring 20-30 team players through getting their system set up 
correctly was way too scary.

Many still don't know
Mac: Finder? What do you mean by Finder?
Windows:  I see three different My Documents folders. Which should I 
use? How will I know if I am in the same one later? (and a lot 
more  our windows users require 85% more support than our mac 
users)

So,  created a very simple xTalk CGI  on our web server and will have 
my app do an HTTP Post to  this cgi. This should be rock solid. If 
their browser works, this works... simple.

#!/usr/local/bin/revolution
# Send email to admin ##
## this CGI reads form input from a form web page or any
## correctly urlEncoded name=value pairs posted from
## a rev app
## and then sends the email out
on startup
if $REQUEST_METHOD is POST then
  repeat until length(tDataIn) = $CONTENT_LENGTH
read from stdin until empty
put it after tDataIn
  end repeat
split tDataIn by  and =
put /usr/sbin/sendmail -t into mprocess
open process mprocess for write
write From:  (urlDecode (tDataIn[from])) cr to process 
mprocess
write To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]cr to process mprocess
write Subject:(urlDecode (tDataIn[subject])) cr 
 cr to process mprocess
   write(urlDecode (tDataIn[body]))   cr to process mprocess
   close process mprocess
  Put Email was sent successfully. into tResponse
put Content-Type: text/html  cr
put Content-Length:  the length of tResponse  cr  cr
put tResponse
end if
end startup

Sannyasin Sivakatirswami
Himalayan Academy Publications
at Kauai's Hindu Monastery
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On Jan 19, 2005, at 8:55 AM, Ken Norris wrote:
OOPS! Sorry, forgot  to change-out the RE header,
Hi David, Sivakatirswami, et al.
Sivakatirswami wrote:
What exactly does the Mac need to ensure that there is an email 
client
automatically will be invoked by revMail? I can't find any preference
in OS X for default mail app that requires setting.

??
Very simple. Panther:
1) Open Mail and select Preferences from the menu.
2) From the Prefs window, select the General icon at top left.
3) Click the Default Email Reader popup and choose select.
4) You should get a list of applications. Choose the email reader you 
want (assuming it is installed).

HTH,
Ken N.
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Re: Windows externals and the imagePixmapID

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Hmm, anyone know how I can use the Win32 API to obtain a HDC for that 
HBITMAP?  I'm looking for a way to render the bitmap into another 
device context (specifically, a printer device context).  Using the 
imagePixmapID seemed to me the easiest way to get the image across from 
a Rev stack to Win32 api code in an external, but I am starting to 
wonder...

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On Jan 19, 2005, at 4:47 AM, Thierry Arbellot wrote:
imagePixmapID is an HBITMAP
Thierry.
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Does anyone know what form the imagePixmapID takes under the Windows 
engine for Rev?  Is it an HBITMAP or an HDC, or something else 
entirely?

Thank you!
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Re: living and learning (Re: RunRev vs RealBasic (Richard Gaskin))

2005-01-19 Thread Chipp Walters

It's really just a matter of style, for instance, I *never* use the card 
method for this. I only use multiple card stacks in a couple places:

1) Wizards
2) I many times use the 2nd card in a stack to store all the icons for 
the first card.

This goes along with the concept of keeping the data and presentation 
layers completely seperate. HyperCard (and to an extent RunRev) allow 
users to mix the two, I prefer not to for a variety of good reasons.

best,
Chipp
Dan Shafer wrote:
Geoff
Good point. I have a mixture of the two types of needs, but when I can, 
I now use the card method as it is much more flexible and easier to code.

Dan

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Re: living and learning (Re: RunRev vs RealBasic (Richard Gaskin))

Dan Shafer wrote:
 On Jan 19, 2005, at 7:37 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote:
 Note that the multi-card solution for tabs can still be used even if
 only a part of the window needs to change, as long as there is only
 one. You can group everything else (perhaps along with the tab panel
 itself) and include it on all the cards. Then create only what you
 want to change as card controls.

 You _have_ to use the show/hide groups technique (or something
 similar) if you have more than one tab panel and they have to change
 independently.

 Good point. I have a mixture of the two types of needs, but when
 I can, I now use the card method as it is much more flexible and
 easier to code.
Most of the time. :)
What got me started using groups instead of cards was referencing 
objects in scripts:  While designing WebMerge 2.0 I kept moving controls 
from one tab to another until I got myself clear on what the program's 
flow should be.  During those changes I'd have to change every script 
reference to every object to include the different card name.

With groups I have all 180+ controls on one card, so I can say:
   get the hilite of btn idxTemplateOption
...and it doesn't matter to the code which group that's part of.
I like many aspects of working with card-based tabs, and tend to use 
that wherever I can.  But for the flexibility it lends to the design 
process, I'll probably use groups for a lot of tabbed interfaces going 
forward (at least until I learn to do proper paper prototyping like da 
pros at UIE http://uie.com/browse/paper_prototyping/).

--
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Re: Windows externals and the imagePixmapID

2005-01-19 Thread Thierry Arbellot

I use the following code to create a screen HDC and attach the 
imagePixmapID to it.

longimagePixmapId;
HBITMAP screenImageBM;
HDC theHdc;
theHdc = CreateCompatibleDC(NULL);  // screen DC
screenImageBM = (HBITMAP) imagePixmapId;
SelectObject(theHdc,screenImageBM);
I hope it helps
Thierry
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Hmm, anyone know how I can use the Win32 API to obtain a HDC for that 
HBITMAP?  I'm looking for a way to render the bitmap into another 
device context (specifically, a printer device context).  Using the 
imagePixmapID seemed to me the easiest way to get the image across 
from a Rev stack to Win32 api code in an external, but I am starting 
to wonder...

On Jan 19, 2005, at 9:31 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
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Thank you!
On Jan 19, 2005, at 4:47 AM, Thierry Arbellot wrote:
imagePixmapID is an HBITMAP
Thierry.
On 2005, Jan 18, , at 19:44, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
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Does anyone know what form the imagePixmapID takes under the 
Windows engine for Rev?  Is it an HBITMAP or an HDC, or something 
else entirely?

Thank you!
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Re: living and learning (Re: RunRev vs RealBasic (Richard Gaskin))

2005-01-19 Thread Dan Shafer

On Jan 19, 2005, at 12:34 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
What got me started using groups instead of cards was referencing 
objects in scripts:  While designing WebMerge 2.0 I kept moving 
controls from one tab to another until I got myself clear on what the 
program's flow should be.  During those changes I'd have to change 
every script reference to every object to include the different card 
name.

With groups I have all 180+ controls on one card, so I can say:
   get the hilite of btn idxTemplateOption
...and it doesn't matter to the code which group that's part of.
Unless (as is the case in one of my apps), you have multiple groups 
with controls that have the same name. This facilitates making the code 
more generic/abstract and allowing me to place scripts at a higher 
level, but has the downside that I have to track the current group and 
do things like:

get the hilite of btn idxTemplateOption of group curGroup
WHen you forget to to that, stuff breaks in ways that are all but 
invisible.

Dan
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Icons 4 Rev.


I need Icon help!
I have a program IconCool Editor 4.0 but the icons are not compatible with 
Rev programs. What icon Editor do I need?

This is my last step of making my first Rev program.
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Uploading a file via serial port?

2005-01-19 Thread Glen Bojsza

I was wondering if anyone has experience in moving files between two
systems that are connected via serial ports.

I have used Sarah's serial test stack (which works perfectly!) in
communicating between the two machines but now I want to be able to
upload a file from one machine to the other.

Does anyone have some tips or ideas I can persue?

regards,

Glen
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Re: Uploading a file via serial port?

At 05:37 PM 1/19/2005, you wrote:
I was wondering if anyone has experience in moving files between two
systems that are connected via serial ports.
I have used Sarah's serial test stack (which works perfectly!) in
communicating between the two machines but now I want to be able to
upload a file from one machine to the other.
Does anyone have some tips or ideas I can persue?
regards,
Glen

Never did that, but you might want consider a pocket drive it will need a 
USB port on each computer, there may and should be a cable to connect 2 
computers via USB port, don't know 4 sure.

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Re: Uploading a file via serial port?

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You can't use USB to network two computers without additional adapters, 
etc.
You *can* do that with FireWire (IEEE 1394, or whatever the spec is -- 
DVLink, etc.), however.

Is at least one of the computers running a UNIX-type system?  If so, 
you might rig the serial port with a getty program (terminal requester) 
so that you can use a Terminal emulator on the other computer to log in 
to that one; then use XModem or ZModem, or whatever protocol the 
terminal emulator supports, to transfer the file(s).  If both computers 
are running Windows, you might consider using the Direct Cable 
Connection facility provided with Windows.

On Jan 19, 2005, at 6:46 PM, Paul Salyers wrote:
At 05:37 PM 1/19/2005, you wrote:
I was wondering if anyone has experience in moving files between two
systems that are connected via serial ports.
I have used Sarah's serial test stack (which works perfectly!) in
communicating between the two machines but now I want to be able to
upload a file from one machine to the other.
Does anyone have some tips or ideas I can persue?
regards,
Glen

Never did that, but you might want consider a pocket drive it will 
need a USB port on each computer, there may and should be a cable to 
connect 2 computers via USB port, don't know 4 sure.

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Re: Uploading a file via serial port?

2005-01-19 Thread Glen Bojsza

The machine that has the file I want to upload is on windows XP and
the machine I want to receive the file is a solaris box.

Currently the serial stack works for reading and writing commands to
the solaris box.

I have asked before but without success... is there a way to send a
ctrl-d through the conection? If so then I could just write the file
line by line (they ae small) through the cat command but I need to be
able to send a ctrl-d to close the file.



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 You can't use USB to network two computers without additional adapters,
 etc.
 You *can* do that with FireWire (IEEE 1394, or whatever the spec is --
 DVLink, etc.), however.
 
 Is at least one of the computers running a UNIX-type system?  If so,
 you might rig the serial port with a getty program (terminal requester)
 so that you can use a Terminal emulator on the other computer to log in
 to that one; then use XModem or ZModem, or whatever protocol the
 terminal emulator supports, to transfer the file(s).  If both computers
 are running Windows, you might consider using the Direct Cable
 Connection facility provided with Windows.
 
 On Jan 19, 2005, at 6:46 PM, Paul Salyers wrote:
 
  At 05:37 PM 1/19/2005, you wrote:
  I was wondering if anyone has experience in moving files between two
  systems that are connected via serial ports.
 
  I have used Sarah's serial test stack (which works perfectly!) in
  communicating between the two machines but now I want to be able to
  upload a file from one machine to the other.
 
  Does anyone have some tips or ideas I can persue?
 
  regards,
 
  Glen
 
 
  Never did that, but you might want consider a pocket drive it will
  need a USB port on each computer, there may and should be a cable to
  connect 2 computers via USB port, don't know 4 sure.
 
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Re: Windows externals and the imagePixmapID

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Aha!  Turns out I was asking the wrong question, but that code 
certainly helped me to find a way to do it.

I ended up using a GDI DIB Section object as an intermediary between 
the screen-level DDB and the printer DC; it went something like this 
(slightly modified to simplify, though coded in an external I'm working 
on for Rev):

HDC printerDC;/* provided target DC */
HBITMAP screenDDB, sect, oldbits;/* screenDDB is the imagePixmapID 
from Rev */
BITMAP bmap;
int dx, dy, dw, dh;   /* provided position and size on printed page */

if (GetObject(screenDDB, sizeof(BITMAP), bmap) != sizeof(BITMAP)) 
failure-exit;

/* create a DIB Section version of the bitmap */
sect = CopyImage(screenDDB, IMAGE_BITMAP, 0, 0, LR_CREATEDIBSECTION);
/* select it into a memory region */
memDC = CreateCompatibleDC(printerDC);
oldbits = (HBITMAP)SelectObject(memDC, sect);
/* render onto printer page */
StretchBlt(printerDC, dx, dy, dw, dh,
  memDC, 0, 0, bmap.bmWidth, bmap.bmHeight, SRCCOPY);
/* clean up */
SelectObject(memDC, oldbits);
DeleteDC(memDC);
DeleteObject(sect);

Now I'll be able to sleep tonight (well, at least the chances of it are 
improved)!

Thank you.
On Jan 19, 2005, at 3:41 PM, Thierry Arbellot wrote:
I use the following code to create a screen HDC and attach the 
imagePixmapID to it.

longimagePixmapId;
HBITMAP screenImageBM;
HDC theHdc;
theHdc = CreateCompatibleDC(NULL);  // screen DC
screenImageBM = (HBITMAP) imagePixmapId;
SelectObject(theHdc,screenImageBM);
I hope it helps
Thierry
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Hmm, anyone know how I can use the Win32 API to obtain a HDC for that 
HBITMAP?  I'm looking for a way to render the bitmap into another 
device context (specifically, a printer device context).  Using the 
imagePixmapID seemed to me the easiest way to get the image across 
from a Rev stack to Win32 api code in an external, but I am starting 
to wonder...

On Jan 19, 2005, at 9:31 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
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Thank you!
On Jan 19, 2005, at 4:47 AM, Thierry Arbellot wrote:
imagePixmapID is an HBITMAP
Thierry.
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Hash: SHA1
Does anyone know what form the imagePixmapID takes under the 
Windows engine for Rev?  Is it an HBITMAP or an HDC, or something 
else entirely?

Thank you!
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only 
begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, 
but have everlasting life.
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
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John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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Re: Uploading a file via serial port?

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Control-D would be numToChar(4).
1 = Ctrl-A, 2 = Ctrl-B, etc.
On Jan 19, 2005, at 7:14 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote:
The machine that has the file I want to upload is on windows XP and
the machine I want to receive the file is a solaris box.
Currently the serial stack works for reading and writing commands to
the solaris box.
I have asked before but without success... is there a way to send a
ctrl-d through the conection? If so then I could just write the file
line by line (they ae small) through the cat command but I need to be
able to send a ctrl-d to close the file.

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:04:32 -0500, Frank D. Engel, Jr.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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You can't use USB to network two computers without additional 
adapters,
etc.
You *can* do that with FireWire (IEEE 1394, or whatever the spec is --
DVLink, etc.), however.

Is at least one of the computers running a UNIX-type system?  If so,
you might rig the serial port with a getty program (terminal 
requester)
so that you can use a Terminal emulator on the other computer to log 
in
to that one; then use XModem or ZModem, or whatever protocol the
terminal emulator supports, to transfer the file(s).  If both 
computers
are running Windows, you might consider using the Direct Cable
Connection facility provided with Windows.

On Jan 19, 2005, at 6:46 PM, Paul Salyers wrote:
At 05:37 PM 1/19/2005, you wrote:
I was wondering if anyone has experience in moving files between two
systems that are connected via serial ports.
I have used Sarah's serial test stack (which works perfectly!) in
communicating between the two machines but now I want to be able to
upload a file from one machine to the other.
Does anyone have some tips or ideas I can persue?
regards,
Glen

Never did that, but you might want consider a pocket drive it will
need a USB port on each computer, there may and should be a cable to
connect 2 computers via USB port, don't know 4 sure.
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
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John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
everlasting life.
$
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$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
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Re: Uploading a file via serial port?

Glen Bojsza wrote:
The machine that has the file I want to upload is on windows XP and
the machine I want to receive the file is a solaris box.
Currently the serial stack works for reading and writing commands to
the solaris box.
I have asked before but without success... is there a way to send a
ctrl-d through the conection? If so then I could just write the file
line by line (they ae small) through the cat command but I need to be
able to send a ctrl-d to close the file.
 

Run a program on the solaris box which exits the file copy when it 
sees a suitable pattern.

If you don't have Rev (or Perl, or Python, or ) it would be easy to 
write an awk script to do this.

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Re: living and learning (Re: RunRev vs RealBasic (Richard Gaskin))

Dan Shafer wrote:
On Jan 19, 2005, at 12:34 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
What got me started using groups instead of cards was referencing 
objects in scripts:  While designing WebMerge 2.0 I kept moving 
controls from one tab to another until I got myself clear on what the 
program's flow should be.  During those changes I'd have to change 
every script reference to every object to include the different card 
name.

With groups I have all 180+ controls on one card, so I can say:
   get the hilite of btn idxTemplateOption
...and it doesn't matter to the code which group that's part of.
Unless (as is the case in one of my apps), you have multiple groups with 
controls that have the same name. This facilitates making the code more 
generic/abstract and allowing me to place scripts at a higher level, but 
has the downside that I have to track the current group and do things like:

get the hilite of btn idxTemplateOption of group curGroup
WHen you forget to to that, stuff breaks in ways that are all but 
invisible.
But that's where my curmudgeonly habits have their rare moment of 
practical applicability:

The name idxTemplateOption is already a unique identifier.  The idx 
prefix tells me which part of the program it relates to, and the rest 
describes what it does.  I can move the object anywhere in the card, 
from group to group, and always address it by name alone.

Of course it's less readable from an English standpoint, but fortunately 
code is skimmed more often than it's read, and funky prefixes tend to 
stand out visually from the more English-like words native to Transcript.

For example, skim this sentence with theWindows and the Windows and see 
if the former stands out as much as tWindows.

Of course someone with your experience already has whatever funky naming 
tricks help you skim, but newcomers might find some of these helpful:

http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/scriptstyle.html
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Re: Uploading a file via serial port?

Alex Tweedly wrote:
Run a program on the solaris box which exits the file copy when it 
sees a suitable pattern.

If you don't have Rev (or Perl, or Python, or ) it would be easy 
to write an awk script to do this.
It has been too long since I used Unix  you don't need awk or Perl 
for this;

cat  myeoftoken  somefile.txt
line 1
line 2

last line
myeoftoken
is all you need in most shells
(Of course, Frank's answer is better, if you are able to send 
numtochar(4)   :-)

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export RTF as file?

2005-01-19 Thread Chipp Walters

I'm having problems with my RTF export.
Can someone please try this and tell me if they get any results?
create a new stack
create a fld and type some text into it: hello world
create a button with the script:
on mouseUp
ask file Save As: with Untitled.rtf
if it is empty then exit to top
put it into tPath
put the rtfText of fld 1 into tContents
put tContents into URL (file:  tPath)
end mouseUp
Now, try and open the RTF file you just created. I'm getting nothing in 
WordPad on XP. I don't have Word on this machine (hate M$).

I've tried binfile as well. Anyone having success exporting RTF files?
thanks in advance,
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Re: export RTF as file?

Chipp Walters wrote:
Now, try and open the RTF file you just created. I'm getting nothing 
in WordPad on XP. I don't have Word on this machine (hate M$).
Script exactly as cut/paste from your mail (except for field and file 
names), I get the hello world line in Wordpad 
(WinXP, Rev 2.5)

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Re: RunRev vs RealBasic (Richard Gaskin)

Thomas Gutzmann wrote:
And with the recent 4000-fold increase in speed for same-size chunk 
replacements, I wonder if the kind of graphics processing you're doing 
could now be done in Rev.  What does that entail?
This speed increase is impressing, but having tried quite some 
alternatives, I'm sure that only C++ (which I don't like) and RB where 
adequate solutions, There are so many calculations when moving objects 
and scrolling the pane, that I simply cannot imagine that Rev is fast 
enough. But I will give it a try as soon as I have some time, and I will 
come back to the list with the results.
For some tasks I'd have to agree, but for many you might be surprised.
I've had more than one magazine mistake my WebMerge application for 
being written in C (that includes a writer for C++ User Journal g). 
And that was before I did my recent optimization which has since more 
than doubled WebMerge's throughput.

We had a rather funny thread here last year in which an RB fan started a 
bake-off for speed on a parsing algorithm on a fairly large file.  True 
'nuff, RB was faster -- but only by 3 milliseconds. And that was the 
overal score -- in the most common task, loading a file, Rev was nearly 
twice as fast.

I've been pondering this new speed enhancement to same-size chunk 
replacements, specifically in regard to image processing.  Since much of 
what image processing involves is replacing a specific number of bytes, 
I wonder if any of the folks here have made any recent experiments with 
writing image filters in native Transcript.  With the sort of speed Dar 
reports we may find that some types of filters can run acceptably well 
in Transcript alone.


 It's a bit disappointing that Rev doesn't provide support
 for the other Unixes any more - that was one of the big
 advantages against RB.
Which ones are you using that are no longer supported?
In my understanding the dropped platforms simply weren't used.  With 
enough interest they might bring some back.
Well, ahem, I purchased the Rev license because I wanted to rewrite 
tools for HP/UX and SunOS. I have to stick with Java there, now.

I know that my company cannot produce enough revenue for Rev to justify 
any extra work for the Unix platforms - but Rev should remove the 
features from the web site if they don't plan to provide it, or they 
should give an estimated release date.
Agreed.  CC'ing the CEO here to make sure that gets attention.
(He reads the list, but when something comes up that's really important 
I trust he doesn't mind the extra effort to help ensure it gets done, 
esp. something so small.)

On the flipside, if there's a way they can help automate those builds it 
does indeed make a nice statment to show those platforms actively 
supported, and Sun OS is still quite in use.


 Now please don't flame!
No reasonable person could flame such a balanced and thoughtful post. 
Thanks for taking the time.
Well, I have seen the contrary. But maybe this list is really different.
Results vary from list to list, and from reader to reader.  But I think 
you'll find this is a very good crew here in this regard.  Most of the 
pros here use multiple tools and can relate to what you're saying, and 
the pure Transcripters here probably enjoy learning about what other 
systems offer, esp. when it's presented as fairly as you have.

And any post that furthers the request for alternate-colored-lines in 
fields will always get a round of applause here. :)  Have you added your 
vote to the Bugzilla request for that?

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Re: export RTF as file?

2005-01-19 Thread Glen Bojsza

In Notepad it works

{\rtf\ansi 
hello baby}

In Word it works

hello baby


Glen

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:47:44 -0800, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm having problems with my RTF export.
 Can someone please try this and tell me if they get any results?
 
 create a new stack
 create a fld and type some text into it: hello world
 create a button with the script:
 
 on mouseUp
  ask file Save As: with Untitled.rtf
  if it is empty then exit to top
  put it into tPath
  put the rtfText of fld 1 into tContents
  put tContents into URL (file:  tPath)
 end mouseUp
 
 Now, try and open the RTF file you just created. I'm getting nothing in
 WordPad on XP. I don't have Word on this machine (hate M$).
 
 I've tried binfile as well. Anyone having success exporting RTF files?
 
 thanks in advance,
 
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Re: RunRev vs RealBasic (Richard Gaskin)

2005-01-19 Thread Chipp Walters

I did write some compositing and blur/sharpen filters in transcript some 
time ago, but I don't know the details of the 'same-size chunk' 
replacements. Where can I find more info?

Richard Gaskin wrote:
I've been pondering this new speed enhancement to same-size chunk 
replacements, specifically in regard to image processing.  Since much of 
what image processing involves is replacing a specific number of bytes, 
I wonder if any of the folks here have made any recent experiments with 
writing image filters in native Transcript.  With the sort of speed Dar 
reports we may find that some types of filters can run acceptably well 
in Transcript alone.

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Icons 4 Rev.


I need help with Icons.
I have IconCool Editor but I can't get an Icon to work.
The icon file {path removed}
does not  include 8 required image formats:
16 color 16 x 16 pixels
256 color 16 x 16 pixels
16 color 32 x 32 pixels
256 color 32 x 32 pixels
16 color 48 x 48 pixels
256 color 48 x 48 pixels
Windows XP (32.bit color) 16 x 16 pixels
Windows XP (32 bit color) 48 x 48 pixels
How do I get an icon to work?

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Re: export RTF as file?

2005-01-19 Thread Dan Shafer

Just for the sake of completeness, this works fine on OS X with Word, 
TextEdit, and BBEdit.

Dan
On Jan 19, 2005, at 5:47 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
I'm having problems with my RTF export.
Can someone please try this and tell me if they get any results?
create a new stack
create a fld and type some text into it: hello world
create a button with the script:
on mouseUp
ask file Save As: with Untitled.rtf
if it is empty then exit to top
put it into tPath
put the rtfText of fld 1 into tContents
put tContents into URL (file:  tPath)
end mouseUp
Now, try and open the RTF file you just created. I'm getting nothing 
in WordPad on XP. I don't have Word on this machine (hate M$).

I've tried binfile as well. Anyone having success exporting RTF files?
thanks in advance,
Chipp
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Icon help

2005-01-19 Thread Ben Fisher

I need Icon help!

I have a program IconCool Editor 4.0 but the icons are not compatible with
Rev programs. What icon Editor do I need?

This is my last step of making my first Rev program.

Paul,

I've come across this problem in making windows icons too. In earlier versions
of Rev, only 16-color icons were accepted, but now it seems they've gone
overboard and 32-bit color icons are *required*! :(

Windows .ico files are built of many parts. These different icons will be
displayed based on available colors or size. According to Rev, icon files must
have these parts:

16 Color 16x16
16 color 32x32
16 color 48x48
256 color 16x16
256 color 32x32
256 color 48x48
Windows XP (32-bit color) 16x16
Windows XP (32-bit color) 32x32
Windows XP (32-bit color) 48x48

I used to use IconEdit32, which supported all of the formats except for the
last three. Now, I guess I'll have to use another program. IconCool Editor 4.4,
I know, will support xp icons and I'm surprised it won't work for you.

The Microsoft site
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnwxp/html/winxpicons.asphttp://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnwxp/html/winxpicons.asp
says to use a program called Gif Movie Gear. (?) It's shareware.

Icon Sushi supported the right files, but it was very frustrating to use.
Axalias will probably work, you can try a trial version.
http://www.axialis.com/iconworkshop/http://www.axialis.com/iconworkshop/

I too am very frustrated that apparently you cannot create custom icons for a
rev app without paying for some other icon software.

-Ben
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icon help

2005-01-19 Thread Ben Fisher

Finally have found a good icon editor for win xp. 

Frontbase Image to Icon. http://www.make-icon.com/http://www.make-icon.com/

It will support and automatically create these formats.
16 Color 16x16
16 color 32x32
16 color 48x48
256 color 16x16
256 color 32x32
256 color 48x48
Windows XP (32-bit color) 16x16
Windows XP (32-bit color) 32x32
Windows XP (32-bit color) 48x48

without having to do anything, the icon will be compatible with rev.

You can download a trial version.
I tried exporting an icon, and then loading it in Revolution standalone 
settings and it worked! I still don't see why rev has to be so picky about 
icos, though.

-Ben
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Re: icon help

At 10:46 PM 1/19/2005, you wrote:
Finally have found a good icon editor for win xp.
Frontbase Image to Icon. 
http://www.make-icon.com/http://www.make-icon.com/

It will support and automatically create these formats.
16 Color 16x16
16 color 32x32
16 color 48x48
256 color 16x16
256 color 32x32
256 color 48x48
Windows XP (32-bit color) 16x16
Windows XP (32-bit color) 32x32
Windows XP (32-bit color) 48x48
without having to do anything, the icon will be compatible with rev.
You can download a trial version.
I tried exporting an icon, and then loading it in Revolution standalone 
settings and it worked! I still don't see why rev has to be so picky about 
icos, though.

-Ben
Well I got the same error, I use Win 2K should that make a differences? I 
tried 1, 4, 8, BPP  XP

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Re: Opening custom files by Drag and Drop in standalone application

2005-01-19 Thread Jan Schenkel

--- Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 1/18/05 11:55 AM, Alejandro Tejada
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I have read this useful Programming tip in your
  website, and TRY to use it in an standalone
  player to OPEN ONLY the custom documents of that
  application.
  
  But when i drag and drop a Rev or MC stack to a
  standalone i had created, IT OPENS... :-(
 
 Yes, and this may be a bug (I tested Windows) - you
 get the path to the
 stack you dropped in $1, but you don't get any
 messages to trap to prevent
 that stack from opening... I tried trapping
 preOpenStack and openStack, and
 it only triggers for the application, not the
 document stack that is
 opening.
 
 I think you should log this as a bug, unless someone
 has an answer for
 this...
 

Could it be that the engine regards this as a separate
mainStack and that's why the regular mainStack
doesn't receieve any messages ; have you tried
trapping (pre)OpenStack messages from a backscript ?

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Re: RunRev vs RealBasic (Richard Gaskin)

Chipp Walters wrote:
 Richard Gaskin wrote:
 I've been pondering this new speed enhancement to same-size
 chunk replacements, specifically in regard to image processing.
 Since much of what image processing involves is replacing a
 specific number of bytes, I wonder if any of the folks here
 have made any recent experiments with writing image filters
 in native Transcript.  With the sort of speed Dar reports we
 may find that some types of filters can run acceptably well
 in Transcript alone.

 I did write some compositing and blur/sharpen filters in
 transcript some time ago, but I don't know the details of
 the 'same-size chunk' replacements. Where can I find more info?
All I know is what Dar posted here, but it sounded really tasty. 
Apparently he made a suggestion to Scott Raney about ways to optimize 
operations in which a string of a given length is used to replace a 
substring of the same length within a larger chunk.

In previous versions a very generalized approach was used for all 
replacement operations, requiring that the data be copied during the 
replacement, which can be computationally expensive with large chunks.

Since the data being inserted is the same length as the data being 
removed the handle size doesn't change, allowing the operation to work 
in-place, without copying.

IIRC, Raney reported that the new method should improve speed by roughly 
4000 times for those cases.

Dar - got the details for us?
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Re: RunRev vs RealBasic (Richard Gaskin)