In Rev 271 systemWindow doesn't works

[Paul Claude]

My stack can't set the systemWindow property in rev. 271, and the same thing
happens compiling it as standalone. If I open the same stack with rev 27,
the the systemWindow works again regularly.

Someone knows if it's a 271 bug or something is changed in the windows style
settings?

Greetings

Paul Claude


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Re: Cool online example stacks?

[Sivakatirswami]

We are on Kauai... just a short hop over... come and visit our place  
here its fantastic


(see http://www.himalayanacademy.com/ssc/hawaii/visiting.shtml)

 and we would we really REALLY, love to host you for a morning and  
you would get to see our new temple project, all stone, hand carved,  
imported from India... it's quite fantastic.


as for Digital Edition of Hinduism today.

Try this:

a) Subscribe to the Digital Edition.
b) go through the entire process.
c) Depends on whether you are using Windows or Mac,  the application  
is itself a splash launcher... then you will find the stack that does  
all the "real work" here:


/Users/katir/Library/Preferences/HTDigital/ht_digital_main.rev

You could try running ht_digital_main.rev from your launcher... I  
think it should work. I don't think we are put any mission critical  
libs in the launcher stack... try it.


if you are on windows, after you subscriber then use your search and  
find: "ht_digital_main.rev"


and it should run from any launcher...

Sivakatirswami


On May 11, 2006, at 12:45 PM, Devin Asay wrote:


Sivakatirswami,

Sorry, I haven't followed your project in detail. How does the  
digital magazine work? Would I be able to launch it from a launcher  
app as a demo of sorts?


BTW, this conference is in Hawaii, in Honolulu. Are you on Oahu?

Devin

On May 11, 2006, at 2:30 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:


Devin:

Shameless Self Promotion here:

http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/

You can subscribe to Hinduism Today Digital Magazine for free. The  
concept was seeded by Dan's Smart  Books, with added features  
built into a prototype by our team here and the "heavy lifting"  
coding was done by Andre.


But I think the concept of a Revolution front end to PDF resources  
that live on a web server and are downloaded and stored as a  
library on the local hard drive  is a very solid concept for the  
edu world.


of course Dan's book is also there  as a teaching tool.


Sivakatirswami



On May 10, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Devin Asay wrote:


Dear Revolutionaries,

Next week I, along with another member of this list, am giving a  
presentation/demo of web-enabled sofware produced with Revolution  
at the CALICO symposium. CALICO is a leading organization  
promoting the use of computer-based language learning  
applications. (Its members include many higher ed and K-12  
language teachers, who are precisely the kind of "inventive  
users" that Dan Shafer describes.) I'm going to be demoing some  
of my recent projects, and making available a "Learning Web"  
application to attendees. This is a minimal, "launcher"  
application that will allow them to run web-based stacks to see  
the possibilities of web-aware applications that are free of the  
encumbrances of web browsers.


I would also like attendees to be able to examine other great  
stacks that some of you have created. This seems like a great way  
to show them the wide range of applications possible with  
Revolution. So, I am seeking both suggestions and permission to  
give URLs of your best web-based Rev stacks to these educators.  
The launcher app will only run the stacks over the http protocol,  
and will not save them to the local disk. I will only give out  
URLs with specific permission from the authors.


So, Revvers, what do you want the world to see? URLs please.  
(Scott Rossi, I'd especially love to show them some of the  
beautiful work you've done.)



BTW, I'm a little new to this distributed model for running  
software, so if any of you have any advice or cautions for me  
before I present this in a public presentation I'd love to hear  
them.


(And, RunRev, I think I'm staying legal here. Please advise me if  
you have concerns.)


Thanks in advance.

Devin Asay


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Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: Linux preferences

[Andre Garzia]

Richard,

this also striked me when I first noticed that. But this is the  
standard behaviour, not only for user apps but also for system level  
apps. Just to a "ls -a" in your home folder... even MacOS X uses this  
for many *NIX ported apps...


dot files are no exactly hidden, you can access them as normal files,  
they are just hidden from normal "ls" output...


and yes Richard, I really hate this "standard". For example standard  
place for placing terminal preference commands and configuration on  
MacOS X is .bashrc which does not appear in Finder unless you  
explicity tell Finder to display hidden files... ARGH!


Andre


On May 12, 2006, at 12:27 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Andre Garzia wrote:


On May 11, 2006, at 9:44 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:


Sorry, I feel I've asked this before, but I can't find the answer in
the archives.

Where do Linux users expect preferences to be saved?

In Macs I use the specialFolderPath("Preferences").
In Windows I use specialFolderPath(26).

What is the Linux equivalent?


they expect it to be saved in their home folder ($HOME or ~) with a
name beggining with a "." (so that it be hidden) like:

.mySweetPrefsFile

so you can use URL "file:~/.mySweetPrefs"


They expect files to be concealed?

Personally I don't trust apps that hide things from me, and I'm very
surprised that the uber gurus who use Linux actually prefer hidden  
files.



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Re: Cool online example stacks?

[Richard Gaskin]

Devin Asay wrote:

I can run the digital maps stacks in Rev IDE, but they don't seem to
load properly (the windows open, but are blank) from my launcher app
(uses just a simple 'go stack url...'). Is there something I am doing
wrong?

Can reactor lab be run from a launcher app, or does it require the
Reactor_Lab.app?


That's a question for the other Richard, Mr. Herz who wrote Reactor Lab.

His contact info is at:


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Re: Linux preferences

[Richard Gaskin]

Andre Garzia wrote:


On May 11, 2006, at 9:44 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:


Sorry, I feel I've asked this before, but I can't find the answer in
the archives.

Where do Linux users expect preferences to be saved?

In Macs I use the specialFolderPath("Preferences").
In Windows I use specialFolderPath(26).

What is the Linux equivalent?


they expect it to be saved in their home folder ($HOME or ~) with a
name beggining with a "." (so that it be hidden) like:

.mySweetPrefsFile

so you can use URL "file:~/.mySweetPrefs"


They expect files to be concealed?

Personally I don't trust apps that hide things from me, and I'm very
surprised that the uber gurus who use Linux actually prefer hidden files.


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Re: Linux preferences

[Sarah Reichelt]

Thanks Andre, that's the info I needed.

Cheers,
Sarah


On 5/12/06, Andre Garzia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Sarah,

they expect it to be saved in their home folder ($HOME or ~) with a
name beggining with a "." (so that it be hidden) like:

.mySweetPrefsFile

so you can use URL "file:~/.mySweetPrefs"

cheers
andre

On May 11, 2006, at 9:44 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Sorry, I feel I've asked this before, but I can't find the answer in
> the archives.
>
> Where do Linux users expect preferences to be saved?
>
> In Macs I use the specialFolderPath("Preferences").
> In Windows I use specialFolderPath(26).
>
> What is the Linux equivalent? specialFolderPath doesn't seem to be a
> function that works under Linux.
>
> On a related topic, what is the path for the user's documents folder
> in Linux and how do to find it? Or is it considered OK just to store
> data in the application's folder (doesn't sound Linux-ish).
>
> TIA,
> Sarah
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Re: Linux preferences

[Andre Garzia]

Sarah,

they expect it to be saved in their home folder ($HOME or ~) with a  
name beggining with a "." (so that it be hidden) like:


.mySweetPrefsFile

so you can use URL "file:~/.mySweetPrefs"

cheers
andre

On May 11, 2006, at 9:44 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:


Sorry, I feel I've asked this before, but I can't find the answer in
the archives.

Where do Linux users expect preferences to be saved?

In Macs I use the specialFolderPath("Preferences").
In Windows I use specialFolderPath(26).

What is the Linux equivalent? specialFolderPath doesn't seem to be a
function that works under Linux.

On a related topic, what is the path for the user's documents folder
in Linux and how do to find it? Or is it considered OK just to store
data in the application's folder (doesn't sound Linux-ish).

TIA,
Sarah
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Linux preferences

[Sarah Reichelt]

Sorry, I feel I've asked this before, but I can't find the answer in
the archives.

Where do Linux users expect preferences to be saved?

In Macs I use the specialFolderPath("Preferences").
In Windows I use specialFolderPath(26).

What is the Linux equivalent? specialFolderPath doesn't seem to be a
function that works under Linux.

On a related topic, what is the path for the user's documents folder
in Linux and how do to find it? Or is it considered OK just to store
data in the application's folder (doesn't sound Linux-ish).

TIA,
Sarah
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Re: Cool online example stacks?

[Devin Asay]

Richard,

I can run the digital maps stacks in Rev IDE, but they don't seem to  
load properly (the windows open, but are blank) from my launcher app  
(uses just a simple 'go stack url...'). Is there something I am doing  
wrong?


Can reactor lab be run from a launcher app, or does it require the  
Reactor_Lab.app?


On May 11, 2006, at 2:38 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Devin Asay wrote:
> I am seeking both suggestions and permission to give URLs of your
> best web-based Rev stacks to these educators.

Dynamic Digital Maps:
http://ddm.geo.umass.edu/

ReactorLab:
http://reactorlab.net/

RevNet:
in Rev, under Development->Plugins->Go RevNet

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Re: Cool online example stacks?

[Devin Asay]

Sivakatirswami,

Sorry, I haven't followed your project in detail. How does the  
digital magazine work? Would I be able to launch it from a launcher  
app as a demo of sorts?


BTW, this conference is in Hawaii, in Honolulu. Are you on Oahu?

Devin

On May 11, 2006, at 2:30 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:


Devin:

Shameless Self Promotion here:

http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/

You can subscribe to Hinduism Today Digital Magazine for free. The  
concept was seeded by Dan's Smart  Books, with added features built  
into a prototype by our team here and the "heavy lifting" coding  
was done by Andre.


But I think the concept of a Revolution front end to PDF resources  
that live on a web server and are downloaded and stored as a  
library on the local hard drive  is a very solid concept for the  
edu world.


of course Dan's book is also there  as a teaching tool.


Sivakatirswami



On May 10, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Devin Asay wrote:


Dear Revolutionaries,

Next week I, along with another member of this list, am giving a  
presentation/demo of web-enabled sofware produced with Revolution  
at the CALICO symposium. CALICO is a leading organization  
promoting the use of computer-based language learning  
applications. (Its members include many higher ed and K-12  
language teachers, who are precisely the kind of "inventive users"  
that Dan Shafer describes.) I'm going to be demoing some of my  
recent projects, and making available a "Learning Web" application  
to attendees. This is a minimal, "launcher" application that will  
allow them to run web-based stacks to see the possibilities of web- 
aware applications that are free of the encumbrances of web browsers.


I would also like attendees to be able to examine other great  
stacks that some of you have created. This seems like a great way  
to show them the wide range of applications possible with  
Revolution. So, I am seeking both suggestions and permission to  
give URLs of your best web-based Rev stacks to these educators.  
The launcher app will only run the stacks over the http protocol,  
and will not save them to the local disk. I will only give out  
URLs with specific permission from the authors.


So, Revvers, what do you want the world to see? URLs please.  
(Scott Rossi, I'd especially love to show them some of the  
beautiful work you've done.)



BTW, I'm a little new to this distributed model for running  
software, so if any of you have any advice or cautions for me  
before I present this in a public presentation I'd love to hear them.


(And, RunRev, I think I'm staying legal here. Please advise me if  
you have concerns.)


Thanks in advance.

Devin Asay


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: The QT player in a standalone

[Devin Asay]

On May 11, 2006, at 4:20 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:


I load the custom prop into a player and play it within the app.


Dan, are you saying that the actual movie data is in the custom prop,  
and that you can play that data WITHOUT writing it to a file on disk?  
If so, how do you do that? Something like 'put the movieData of this  
stack into player "myplayer"' ?


Devin



On 5/11/06, Thomas McGrath III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Dan,

Can you play that from the custom prop or do you have to load it onto
the HD of the user first? Thanks

Tom

On May 10, 2006, at 10:00 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> Bob.
>
> Another great solution is to store the QT file as a custom property
> and
> bundle it directly with the app. Voila! No file pathing problems.



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Re: The QT player in a standalone

[Dan Shafer]

I load the custom prop into a player and play it within the app.


On 5/11/06, Thomas McGrath III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Dan,

Can you play that from the custom prop or do you have to load it onto
the HD of the user first? Thanks

Tom

On May 10, 2006, at 10:00 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

> Bob.
>
> Another great solution is to store the QT file as a custom property
> and
> bundle it directly with the app. Voila! No file pathing problems.
>
> Dan
>
>

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Re: ID's for linked text?

[Ken Ray]

On 5/11/06 10:07 AM, "Derek Larsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a text field that has specific paragraphs setup as linked. I'd like
> to find a dynamic way to find out which one of those paragraphs the user
> clicked on without having to know the content of the paragraph.
> 
> 
> 
> Is there any kind of ID or number associated with each link? I haven't been
> able to find anything useful in the documentation.

Not really, but if you want to use HTML, you can add your own ID to linked
text... for example if you do this:

put "This is a test" into tHTML
set the htmlText of fld 1 to tHTML

and then have code in the field that says:

on linkClicked pLink
  answer pLink
end linkClicked

When you click on the "This is a test" link text, it will answer "Test".

HTH,

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Re: Use an iPod as a USB drive ?

[Sarah Reichelt]

On 5/11/06, Kay C Lan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Further to the tangent.

At the beginning of the year my son's teacher recently requested that I
purchase a USB thumbdrive so that my son could easily transfer files to the
class computer for printing - he takes a G3 PB to school, the class computer
is  windoz. I personally thought just unplugging the USB printer cable and
plugging it into the PB would be a very reasonable idea but for 'reasons'
the USB thumbdrive was what the teacher wanted. So, not having bought one
before I logged onto my Mac User Group forum and asked for recommendations.

The first response I got back was to buy and iPod Shuffle. At first I
thought it was a joke, until I did some further investigations:

Iomega 1GB Thumbdrive = US99
iPod Shuffle 1GB = US99

The Iomega does nothing but store data!


Yes, I did exactly the same for my 3 boys. The Shuffles are very tough
so they can withstand the school environment, they don't require an
extra cable and they have good battery life (no screen helps) so they
last the whole day at school.

My only tip would be to buy the sports case. The standard lanyard
attaches to the lid, not the shuffle itself, so the shuffle can fall
or be pulled off. The sports case not only provides another layer of
protection, it makes sure the whole shuffle is attached to the
lanyard.

And the weirdest things I've seen the kids do? My eldest (who wants to
be a musician) playing a Mozart sonata on the piano from memory, while
listening to jazz on his shuffle. When I suggested this was perhaps
not a great idea, he responded "But it's not very loud!" :-)

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: Cool online example stacks?

[Richard Gaskin]

Devin Asay wrote:
> I am seeking both suggestions and permission to give URLs of your
> best web-based Rev stacks to these educators.

Dynamic Digital Maps:
http://ddm.geo.umass.edu/

ReactorLab:
http://reactorlab.net/

RevNet:
in Rev, under Development->Plugins->Go RevNet

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Re: Cool online example stacks?

[Sivakatirswami]

Devin:

Shameless Self Promotion here:

http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/

You can subscribe to Hinduism Today Digital Magazine for free. The  
concept was seeded by Dan's Smart  Books, with added features built  
into a prototype by our team here and the "heavy lifting" coding was  
done by Andre.


But I think the concept of a Revolution front end to PDF resources  
that live on a web server and are downloaded and stored as a library  
on the local hard drive  is a very solid concept for the edu world.


of course Dan's book is also there  as a teaching tool.


Sivakatirswami



On May 10, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Devin Asay wrote:


Dear Revolutionaries,

Next week I, along with another member of this list, am giving a  
presentation/demo of web-enabled sofware produced with Revolution  
at the CALICO symposium. CALICO is a leading organization promoting  
the use of computer-based language learning applications. (Its  
members include many higher ed and K-12 language teachers, who are  
precisely the kind of "inventive users" that Dan Shafer describes.)  
I'm going to be demoing some of my recent projects, and making  
available a "Learning Web" application to attendees. This is a  
minimal, "launcher" application that will allow them to run web- 
based stacks to see the possibilities of web-aware applications  
that are free of the encumbrances of web browsers.


I would also like attendees to be able to examine other great  
stacks that some of you have created. This seems like a great way  
to show them the wide range of applications possible with  
Revolution. So, I am seeking both suggestions and permission to  
give URLs of your best web-based Rev stacks to these educators. The  
launcher app will only run the stacks over the http protocol, and  
will not save them to the local disk. I will only give out URLs  
with specific permission from the authors.


So, Revvers, what do you want the world to see? URLs please. (Scott  
Rossi, I'd especially love to show them some of the beautiful work  
you've done.)



BTW, I'm a little new to this distributed model for running  
software, so if any of you have any advice or cautions for me  
before I present this in a public presentation I'd love to hear them.


(And, RunRev, I think I'm staying legal here. Please advise me if  
you have concerns.)


Thanks in advance.

Devin Asay


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: How To Ensure Only Plain Text Editing Is Allowed In Field

[Dar Scott]

On May 10, 2006, at 11:29 PM, Ivan Wong wrote:

Is there any easy way (beyond trapping and disabling unwanted  
keystrokes), to
allow users to only edit in plain text, and keep editing to a  
single line in

text fields.

Currently, I can always insert linebreaks using the return key, and  
use ctrl-b

etc to style the text.


If you want to block the return key and block control-B, then (even  
though you were hoping to avoid this), I'd recommend blocking with  
rawKeyDown for return and controlKeyDown for control keys.  Some  
folks call keysDown() in rawKeyDown to see if the control key (key  
code 65507) is in the list of keys down, but this does not work if  
keystroke processing becomes delayed.  Simply use 'pass' if the  
keystroke is not one to be blocked.


If for some reason (say, future plans) you do not want to block this  
way you can try this:  On rawKeyDown lock the screen and send a  
message in small or zero time to a field fixing custom command  
(perhaps within your field script).  In that custom command script  
call your custom command that fixes the field and then unlock the  
screen.


(Though it does not apply to the return key or control-B, there are a  
few characters that bypass the xxxkeyDown messages, such as umlauts,  
so if you want to filter those out in the future, neither method  
above will work.  This is a known bug:  1147)


Dar Scott


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Re: Send Keys

[Todd Geist]

On May 11, 2006, at 11:34 AM, Russ McBride wrote:

You should be able to do whatever you need to do even with a  
recalcitrant target application because you can use the finder to  
start the app, and then brute force your way to domination of the  
application using the virtual keyboard and mouse controls.


What are you doing exactly?


I am trying to create an app that works closely with another  
application.  The other application is only partially UI scriptable  
and does not Respond to System Event gui scripts when any dialogs are  
open. Since a big part of what I am trying to do is automate dialogs  
this is a pain.


The target application is already running and it may have a dialog  
open when I begin my process.  So far I have found the only way to do  
anything is to use mouse clicks.  This sucks!


How I yearn for something like QuickKeys but in Rev.

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Re: Send Keys

[Russ McBride]

Well, AppleScript syntax blows and figuring out the syntax needed to  
reference an object in an unknown object hierarchy blows even  
harder.  UI browser will show you the object hierarchy and also  
generate a reference to the object in Applescript, saving you a lot  
of grief.


It won't be that helpful though if you're trying to script an  
application that is both not applescriptable and was not programmed  
to register it's objects through the normal channels.  I had to write  
a PHP script once that called an Applescript that had to punch a user  
name and password into a crusty old application after opening it.  In  
the end I just figured out the coordinates of the text field and then  
used extrasuites to go to that location and start typing.  Worked  
great.  I thought extra suites was pretty cool.


You should be able to do whatever you need to do even with a  
recalcitrant target application because you can use the finder to  
start the app, and then brute force your way to domination of the  
application using the virtual keyboard and mouse controls.


What are you doing exactly?

Best,
russ



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510-643-6853


On May 11, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Todd Geist wrote:


Hi

Russ

On May 11, 2006, at 10:14 AM, Russ McBride wrote:

I've been able to send keystrokes into just about any field using  
a combination of the David Lloyd's "Extra Suites"

http://osaxen.com/files/extrasuites1.1.html


This is basically what I am doing... but it is not fun  :>)




and Prefab's UI Browser (to help you figure out what object you  
are trying to control)

http://www.prefab.com/uibrowser/
Apple has a similar tool for UI browsing but as I recall this  
worked a bit better.





I use this to, but I am curious what value does UI Browser have to  
Extra Suites?


I have UI browser and it works great for the GUI scripting, but  
Extra Suite has it's own method for identifying things doesn't it?



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Re: Selecting ComboBox text

[Devin Asay]

On May 11, 2006, at 12:11 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

Sure, Devin, it is possible to select the visible line. Have you  
tried it?


Oops! I see my mistake. (When will I learn?) I was trying it from the  
message box, which always returns focus to itself after executing, so  
it negates the effects of selecting text.


Bedankt, Mark!

Devin



Op 11-mei-2006, om 20:08 heeft Devin Asay het volgende geschreven:

I know that the comboBox style menu button is a hybrid of a drop  
down menu and a field. As such it has some properties of buttons,  
some of fields. Does anyone know if it's possible to select all or  
part of the text box part of a comboBox control? The docs and list  
archives seem to be silent on the subject.


Devin

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Re: Selecting ComboBox text

[Mark Schonewille]

Sure, Devin, it is possible to select the visible line. Have you  
tried it?


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Op 11-mei-2006, om 20:08 heeft Devin Asay het volgende geschreven:

I know that the comboBox style menu button is a hybrid of a drop  
down menu and a field. As such it has some properties of buttons,  
some of fields. Does anyone know if it's possible to select all or  
part of the text box part of a comboBox control? The docs and list  
archives seem to be silent on the subject.


Devin

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Selecting ComboBox text

[Devin Asay]

I know that the comboBox style menu button is a hybrid of a drop down  
menu and a field. As such it has some properties of buttons, some of  
fields. Does anyone know if it's possible to select all or part of  
the text box part of a comboBox control? The docs and list archives  
seem to be silent on the subject.


Devin

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Re: Send Keys

[Todd Geist]

Hi

Russ

On May 11, 2006, at 10:14 AM, Russ McBride wrote:

I've been able to send keystrokes into just about any field using a  
combination of the David Lloyd's "Extra Suites"

http://osaxen.com/files/extrasuites1.1.html


This is basically what I am doing... but it is not fun  :>)




and Prefab's UI Browser (to help you figure out what object you are  
trying to control)

http://www.prefab.com/uibrowser/
Apple has a similar tool for UI browsing but as I recall this  
worked a bit better.





I use this to, but I am curious what value does UI Browser have to  
Extra Suites?


I have UI browser and it works great for the GUI scripting, but Extra  
Suite has it's own method for identifying things doesn't it?



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Re: Send Keys

[Russ McBride]

I've been able to send keystrokes into just about any field using a  
combination of the David Lloyd's "Extra Suites"

http://osaxen.com/files/extrasuites1.1.html

and Prefab's UI Browser (to help you figure out what object you are  
trying to control)

http://www.prefab.com/uibrowser/
Apple has a similar tool for UI browsing but as I recall this worked  
a bit better.


In cases where there is no object that's registering itself with  
through the usual Objective-C mechanisms you can always just hard  
code in a location and then begin to insert text.  Of course the  
object (text field, e.g.) must actually be at the location for it to  
work.


1.  Don't forget to put the osax library in the right location (I  
think it's /System/Library/ScriptingAdditions/).
2.  Play with the osax commands in a regular applescript editor until  
you know what's going on

3.  Get your working applescript working inside a runrev stack
4.  Enjoy life

Hope that helps,
Russ



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Programmer/Analyst
The Scholar's Workstation
University of California at Berkeley
510-643-6853


On May 11, 2006, at 7:35 AM, Todd Geist wrote:


Thanks Rob

But I wasn't very clear.  I need to send key stroke from Rev to  
another app.  Both "type" and "click" only work within the current  
Rev stack.


I really need this QuickKeys like functionality.

Unfortunately I have been unable to get GUI scripting on OSX to do  
what I need either.  It is very frustrating  :<(


Todd


On May 11, 2006, at 7:13 AM, Rob Cozens wrote:


Hi Todd,


Any one know of a way to send keystrokes from Rev.


Check out the Type command.


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Regarding Printing Problem

[Thomas Cole]

Thanks to Jacqueline Landman Gay for helping me on the printing problem.


I'm so surprised that this glitch exists in my old studio version of rev
(2.1). If there was more than a page to print, the second page with some
printers would have lines overwritten -- lines from the first page. It
was just a simple field print command. I downloaded the trial version,
created a standalone, and the problem is gone! 

Also if your script is "answer x" and x contains a lot of words, the
boundaries of the answer that appears do not spread clean across the
screen anymore, and you don't have to write script to make the answer
box smaller.  

But now I have to buy the studio update! 

Tom in Arizona

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Re: ID's for linked text?

[Chris Sheffield]

Derek,

You also might want to check the linkText property in the  
documentation. This might be what you want.


Chris


On May 11, 2006, at 9:07 AM, Derek Larsen wrote:

I have a text field that has specific paragraphs setup as linked.  
I'd like
to find a dynamic way to find out which one of those paragraphs the  
user

clicked on without having to know the content of the paragraph.



Is there any kind of ID or number associated with each link? I  
haven't been

able to find anything useful in the documentation.



Any insight would be appreciated.


Thanks!

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Re: ID's for linked text?

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Derek,

This returns the number of the paragraph you clicked on:

on mouseUp
  put number of lines of (char 1 to (word 4 of the clickChunk) of me)
end mouseUp

assuming that paragraphs are separated by returns. Put this script  
into a field script.


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Op 11-mei-2006, om 17:07 heeft Derek Larsen het volgende geschreven:

I have a text field that has specific paragraphs setup as linked.  
I'd like
to find a dynamic way to find out which one of those paragraphs the  
user

clicked on without having to know the content of the paragraph.



Is there any kind of ID or number associated with each link? I  
haven't been

able to find anything useful in the documentation.



Any insight would be appreciated.


Thanks!



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Re: Send Keys

[Jim Ault]

I use QuicKeys since Rev is not a system event app.  The Xplat is the major
issue for me.  The GUI scripting has its own promise+limitations.  I only
plan to use GUI to read the buttons and fields on a java applet in Safari to
provide feedback for programmatic decision making.  This info will find it
way to an OSX app or a WinXP app via ftp relay.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 5/10/06 6:47 PM, "Todd Geist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Todd
> 
> Any one know of a way to send keystrokes from Rev.  I know I can use
> GUI scripting on OSX but that has some problems in the instance I
> need it in, plus I need Xplat.


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Re: ID's for linked text?

[Jim Ault]

On 5/11/06 8:07 AM, "Derek Larsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a text field that has specific paragraphs setup as linked. I'd like
> to find a dynamic way to find out which one of those paragraphs the user
> clicked on without having to know the content of the paragraph.
> Is there any kind of ID or number associated with each link? I haven't been
> able to find anything useful in the documentation.
> 
> Any insight would be appreciated.
> 
There is no ID that I know of, but you could make one.
You could make the paragraph the key of an array and the element would be
the number/code you use to know which paragraph is chosen.

Is your paragraph defined by CR's?
Are they long or short text runs?
Is the entire paragraph the link?

You could use an array or custom properties of the stack.
Your paragraphs will become the keys of a single array or each paragraph
will become a custom property of the stack.  In each case, the paragraphs
must be unique for all characters, otherwise, two identical paragraphs will
end up being the same key of an array or custom property.

--array method
global gParagraphArray
set the itemdel to cr
put item 1 of fld readingMaterial into keyTxt
put (the short id of this card &"c"&1) into gParagraphArray[keyTxt]

put item 2 of fld readingMaterial into keyTxt
put (the short id of this card &"c"&2) into gParagraphArray[keyTxt]

thus a loop is born..
repeat with x = 1 to the number of items in fld readingMaterial
   put item x of fld readingMaterial into keyTxt
   put (the short id of this card &"c"&x) into gParagraphArray[keyTxt]
end repeat

set the itemdel to comma

--
custom property method
set the itemdel to cr
repeat with x = 1 to the number of items in fld readingMaterial
   put item x of fld readingMaterial into keyTxt
   set the keyTxt of this stack to (the short id of this card &"c"&x)
end repeat
-
Now you need to write a couple routines to handle changes you make to the
text, thus the stored text becomes obsolete

clear global gParagraphArray
repeat with c = 1 to the number of cards
--add to the global array here
end repeat
---or
set the customproperties of this stack to empty
repeat with c = 1 to the number of cards
--add to the customproperties here
end repeat

This will double the size of your stack, since all of the text will be
stored twice.   There are many other variations, but you get the gist.
Hope this gives you some ideas


Jim Ault
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Re: Use an iPod as a USB drive ?

[Richard Gaskin]

Marian Petrides wrote:
Better yet, if you can get academic pricing, you can get a 1GB iPod  
Nano (stores and displays pictures as well as music) for $129.  And,  
yes, I use my nano as a sneaker net at work all the time. Only  
disadvantage to the nano is that it requires a separate cable which  
might be a hassle for your son--I just keep a spare in my desk.


There are many alternatives to the iPod, most of which are less 
expensive and many have more features.  There may be qualitative 
differences in the firmware which affect sound quality, but when you're 
talking about MP3 these differences are at most negligible (headphones 
tend to play a bigger role in sound quality, and the popularity of 
third-party headphones in the Mac world suggests there's room for 
improvement on bundled headphones no matter which brand you buy).


As you noted, the requirement of carrying an additional cable can be a 
bit onerous for the person on the go, so I tend to prefer simpler form 
factors with the USB plug built into the housing, like these:





I have a unit from the first link, and while the company's fulfillment 
department is disappointing (yes, they sent it next-day, but only after 
sitting on the order for two business days first), I've been very happy 
with the unit itself.


Like so many others in the $100 range, one of the features I like most 
about my MP3 player/Flash drive is the built-in voice recorder.  While 
it's very common among non-Apple devices, nothing in the Apple line 
currently offers voice recording.


And if you're feeling ambitious and have a project which warrants it, 
you can get many MP3/Flash drive devices with custom logos on them, and 
some vendors also offer attractive gift packaging options for each unit.


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ID's for linked text?

[Derek Larsen]

I have a text field that has specific paragraphs setup as linked. I'd like
to find a dynamic way to find out which one of those paragraphs the user
clicked on without having to know the content of the paragraph.



Is there any kind of ID or number associated with each link? I haven't been
able to find anything useful in the documentation.



Any insight would be appreciated.


Thanks!

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(no subject)

[Bob Earp]

Thanks Phil.  I too tried resizing the flds but the group is a bg obj and it 
then grows to encroach on other areas, plus the blank/space didn't work for me 
either.  I was hoping there is an undocumented property of flds that looks 
after vertical alignment.  If there is then this list would certainly know 
about it !!
 
best, Bob...
 
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From: Phil Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Re: Fld text vertical alignment - 
fld animationTo: How to use Revolution 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Content-Type: 
text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Okay, I was a little too quick. 
As I reread your request, you're looking for a way to grow and shrink the text 
without changing the rect of the field, correct? I think your only other option 
is to have a blank line (containing a space, or maybe empty would work) at the 
top of each menu field, and let that first line grow and shrink in the opposite 
direction of the rest of the text, so the text remains centered vertically in 
the field. However, I messed around with that idea for a few minutes and was 
not able to make it work as well as the 'grow/shrink field' approach. You could 
indeed kluge it together by having your menu text in borderless transparent 
fields that sit on top of fields with visible borders. That would give you the 
visual effect I think you're after. Phil
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Re: How To Ensure Only Plain Text Editing Is Allowed In Field

[Bill Marriott]

Attaching the following script to your field should do the trick.

-- prevent line wrapping
on openField
   set the dontwrap of me to true
end openField

-- prevent newlines
on returnInField
end returnInField

on enterInField
end enterInField

-- prevent styled text
on exitField
   set the htmlText of me to me
end exitField

The first handler really isn't neeeded if you set the dontWrap via the 
properties palette or messagebox. The last handler doesn't prevent the user 
from trying to style the text, but strips the formatting once they exit the 
field.

The only way to prevent the formatting while they are editing is to check 
the keystrokes.

Bill

Ivan Wong wrote...
> Is there any easy way (beyond trapping and disabling unwanted keystrokes), 
> to
> allow users to only edit in plain text, and keep editing to a single line 
> in
> text fields. 



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Re: Send Keys

[Mark Smith]

Is the other app applescriptable?

best,

Mark

On 11 May 2006, at 15:35, Todd Geist wrote:


Thanks Rob

But I wasn't very clear.  I need to send key stroke from Rev to  
another app.  Both "type" and "click" only work within the current  
Rev stack.


I really need this QuickKeys like functionality.

Unfortunately I have been unable to get GUI scripting on OSX to do  
what I need either.  It is very frustrating  :<(


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Re: Send Keys

[Todd Geist]

Thanks Rob

But I wasn't very clear.  I need to send key stroke from Rev to  
another app.  Both "type" and "click" only work within the current  
Rev stack.


I really need this QuickKeys like functionality.

Unfortunately I have been unable to get GUI scripting on OSX to do  
what I need either.  It is very frustrating  :<(


Todd


On May 11, 2006, at 7:13 AM, Rob Cozens wrote:


Hi Todd,


Any one know of a way to send keystrokes from Rev.


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Re: Rev and Windows local networking

[Jim Ault]

Just a quick note about Zone Alarm that may not be pertinent anymore.  A
client of mine was using it on a single computer and the tech dept at Zone
Alarm said that their software wasn't really designed for that.  It was
recommended that he uninstall since it seemed to interfere with some of his
browsing.

I have no details, but he was happy after the uninstall.  The tech person he
talked to was very professional and helpful.  This may not be your situation
but something to consider.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 5/10/06 3:19 PM, "Kurt Kaufman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Recently, Mark Wieder wrote:
> 
>> If you are assigning static IP addresses to your locally networked
>> computers (and this is a good thing btw) *and* you have dhcp enabled
>> on your router, make sure you are assigning addresses outside the dhcp
>> address pool. For example, if the router will assign addresses
>> between 192.168.1.100 and 192.168.1.150, you can safely assign a
>> computer an address of 192.168.1.5 but 192.168.1.101 will get you into
>> trouble some day.
> 
> The gateway itself (as well as the default DNS server) uses
> 192.168.2.1 and the range of addresses I have set Zone Alarm to
> permit is from 192.168.2.1 to 192.168.2.9; all of our PCs are within
> that (inboard) range.  I flipped the numbers in my last message
> (192.168.1.2); sorry!  I suppose those numbers are OK to use?
> 
>> ...but I have to ask: does Zone Alarm give you any protection that the
>> firewall built into the router doesn't already do? I ask because I've
>> only ever seen Zone Alarm or the builtin Windows firewall cause
>> connection problems on computers that are already behind firewalls.
>> For my money, I would dump ZA and let the router do its thing.
> 
> ZA claims that it blocks unspecified "intrusions" and "access
> attempts", but it also notifies me if Adobe or Intuit, for instance,
> is trying to send information over the Internet without my prior
> permission. This is above and beyond whatever the router may do, I
> guess.
> 
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Re: Send Keys

[Rob Cozens]

Hi Todd,


Any one know of a way to send keystrokes from Rev.


Check out the Type command.

Rob Cozens
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Re: [OT] Computer Blackmail

[Thomas McGrath III]

I am very grateful for my MAC after reading this. Thank Richmond. My  
WinXP machine is looking at me right now saying "Oh yeah! Just you wait"



Tom

On May 11, 2006, at 6:13 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

Last night a lawyer friend of mine phoned me in tears because all  
off her legal files had apparently been deleted from her PC  
(running WIN XP) and all she could find was a document:


INSTRUCTIONS HOW TO GET YOUR FILES BACK.txt

" . . . Reporting to police about a case will not help you, they do  
not know the password. . .


" WE DO NOT ASK FOR MONEY! W e only want to do business with you."

and so on and so forth.

The document states that the documents are stiil on the hard drive  
but encrypted with a 30 symbol password - and to get the documents  
back you must send an e-mail to 1 of 2 possible e-mails.


This is fairly blatant blackmail.

It scared me.

Nevertheless I got all the documents back using a programs called  
"freeundelete.exe" - it is necessary to recover them onto an  
external volume, and (obviously) to have the Internet connexion  
disconnected. On the system I worked on there was also something  
called "SpySheriff" that, quite frankly, stank to high heaven.  
Whether "SpySheriif" is somehow connected with this blackmail or  
not I don't know.


The WIN XP system then needs to be "set back" a couple of days and  
then the documents copied back onto the PC's disks.


Sorry that this is completely OT, but I thought that XP users might  
be grateful for the information.


sincerely, Richmond Mathewson



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Re: Use an iPod as a USB drive ?

[Thomas McGrath III]

Alex,

I think this is all misleading to you. You do not need to instal the  
music files twice. If you copy the files to the HD of the iPod you  
CAN play them on a remote computer!!!


It is pretty straight forward. The ipod has two sides to it. The  
first side is the side that the firmware hides from you and that is  
the iPod software that lets you listen to music on the ipod itself  
and the second side if enabled is access to the hard drive it self  
which is visible to you when you plug the ipod into your computer.  
These two sides are separate.


Now if you want to transport an application or document or a music  
file to another computer and you do not care if they have iTunes  
installed then you would want to use the HD side and just drag the  
file to the iPod in your computer. But if you want to listen to the  
music file as well 'on the ipod' then you might consider installing  
the music file via iTunes. But to listen to the music file from the  
computer either way will work. It is only whether or not you have  
iTunes installed on the remote computer and whether or not you want  
to use it to listen/copy the song to that computer that matters.


If you just want to listen to the music file on another computer you  
can do it either way. So if the other computer has itunes on it then  
you can use itunes to put the file on the ipod and you can use itunes  
to listen to the music. BUT if you are not sure and want to play it  
safe then just copy the file to the HD of the ipod and when you get  
to the other computer just copy the music file to iTunes or any Music  
player directly and you will be able to hear it on that computer.


 I do this for transporting some of our sound loops and have always  
put a back up of our presentations on the HD of the ipod. Where as I  
use iTunes to install the music I want to listen to 'on the ipod'.


HTH

Tom

On May 11, 2006, at 4:24 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote:


Marian Petrides wrote:

I'm not sure why this surprises either of you.  Items copied to  
one's  HD but not loaded into iTunes won't play in iTunes.


That may be a Mac restriction (though I doubt it), but it doesn't  
apply on Win. I double click on any MP3 (or other audio) file and  
iTunes plays it (maybe there's a hair to be split - maybe iTunes  
"loads" it into iTunes on the fly, but in terms of the effect for  
me as a user, this restriction doesn't appear to apply).


Likewise items  copied to the iPod's HD as data won't play on the  
iPod. To play on  the iPod they need to be loaded onto it from  
iTunes on your computer-- which then allows the iPod's software to  
recognize them as music  rather than data.


I guess I can't see why iPod's software can't figure out that an  
MP3 file can be played, just like any other piece of software can.


>>>you can copy files to an iPod being used as an external disk,  
but  can't then play them as tunes.


All you need to do in this case is to ALSO load them onto the  
iPod  using iTunes--so that the iPod's software recognizes them as  
music  not a data file.


All I need to do is make two copies of it, taking twice as much  
time and space. Yeah, OK, but that's exactly what I find  
disappointing.
And I can't see any reason for that restriction other than DRM, and  
putting the DRM requirements before the user's convenience.


But I can't think of a way to drag this back on topic for the Rev  
list, so I'll stop now. Thank you again for taking the time to go  
look this up and let me know. Even though I'm mildly irritated by  
this misfeature, I am glad to know the iPod is a practical  
solution, and can go buy one for myself as well as the "client" for  
whom I need to put Rev stacks on an iPod.



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Re: The QT player in a standalone

[Thomas McGrath III]

Dan,

Can you play that from the custom prop or do you have to load it onto  
the HD of the user first? Thanks


Tom

On May 10, 2006, at 10:00 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:


Bob.

Another great solution is to store the QT file as a custom property  
and

bundle it directly with the app. Voila! No file pathing problems.

Dan




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Re: More cursors for Revolution?

[Martin Blackman]

Maybe check out bugzilla bug no. 5 which suggests a work around when
creating your own cursors

On 10/05/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Can anyone suggest how to increase the inventory of cursors in Revolution?
I have not had much success in trying to do this through creating new images.
 They don't seem to show up correctly.   It would be particularly helpful to
have such standard cursors as "hand left", "hand right", "hand outstretched",
 "hand closed", "magnifying glass", and "skull and cross bones," particularly
in the development of games.   Thanks.
Steve Goldberg
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[OT]Re: Use an iPod as a USB drive ?

[Marian Petrides]

>>>All I need to do is make two copies of it, taking twice as much  
time and space.


Actually not. All you need to do on the Mac would be to use something  
like TinkerTool to show invisible files. All the audio files are in  
the iPod Control folder which is invisible unless you make it  
visible. I don't know how you do this in XP, but I'm sure there's a way.


File naming is a problem this way, though.Non-descriptive file names  
are given to files on the iPod--I suspect as part of the DRM--to make  
it harder to sort through the files and find the one you want to copy  
back to the Mac/PC. So a better way is to use one of many shareware  
utilities on either platform that let you copy files iTunes back and  
forth between the iPod and the Mac/PC. (I use iPod Access.)


Keep this in mind if you ever lose your master files in iTunes.  You  
can use this to restore those files, since you are not permitted a  
redownload--which is the only REAL irritation from my standpoint.  
Once you buy a book from Audible, you can redownload it as often as  
you like.




On May 11, 2006, at 3:24 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

All I need to do is make two copies of it, taking twice as much  
time and space.




Yeah, OK, but that's exactly what I find disappointing.
And I can't see any reason for that restriction other than DRM, and  
putting the DRM requirements before the user's convenience.


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Re: Use an iPod as a USB drive ?

[Marian Petrides]

Better yet, if you can get academic pricing, you can get a 1GB iPod  
Nano (stores and displays pictures as well as music) for $129.  And,  
yes, I use my nano as a sneaker net at work all the time. Only  
disadvantage to the nano is that it requires a separate cable which  
might be a hassle for your son--I just keep a spare in my desk.



On May 11, 2006, at 2:16 AM, Kay C Lan wrote:


Further to the tangent.

At the beginning of the year my son's teacher recently requested  
that I
purchase a USB thumbdrive so that my son could easily transfer  
files to the
class computer for printing - he takes a G3 PB to school, the class  
computer
is  windoz. I personally thought just unplugging the USB printer  
cable and
plugging it into the PB would be a very reasonable idea but for  
'reasons'
the USB thumbdrive was what the teacher wanted. So, not having  
bought one
before I logged onto my Mac User Group forum and asked for  
recommendations.


The first response I got back was to buy and iPod Shuffle. At first I
thought it was a joke, until I did some further investigations:

Iomega 1GB Thumbdrive = US99
iPod Shuffle 1GB = US99

The Iomega does nothing but store data!

So now we all now that an iPod can store data - but in case you  
didn't know,

an Iomega Thumbdrive can't play music;-)
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RE: [OT] Computer Blackmail

[Scott Kane]

Richard,

> Sorry that this is completely OT, but I thought that XP users 
> might be grateful for the information.

Yes.  There are several variations of this one.
Some genuinely blackmail, some do it half heartedly.
Sadly - most are coming from Russia and are, I'm told,
mafia related.

Scott

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[OT] Computer Blackmail

[Richmond Mathewson]

Last night a lawyer friend of mine phoned me in tears because all off her legal 
files had apparently been deleted from her PC (running WIN XP) and all she 
could find was a document:

INSTRUCTIONS HOW TO GET YOUR FILES BACK.txt

" . . . Reporting to police about a case will not help you, they do not know 
the password. . .

" WE DO NOT ASK FOR MONEY! W e only want to do business with you."

and so on and so forth.

The document states that the documents are stiil on the hard drive but 
encrypted with a 30 symbol password - and to get the documents back you must 
send an e-mail to 1 of 2 possible e-mails.

This is fairly blatant blackmail.

It scared me.

Nevertheless I got all the documents back using a programs called 
"freeundelete.exe" - it is necessary to recover them onto an external volume, 
and (obviously) to have the Internet connexion disconnected. On the system I 
worked on there was also something called "SpySheriff" that, quite frankly, 
stank to high heaven. Whether "SpySheriif" is somehow connected with this 
blackmail or not I don't know.

The WIN XP system then needs to be "set back" a couple of days and then the 
documents copied back onto the PC's disks.

Sorry that this is completely OT, but I thought that XP users might be grateful 
for the information.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson




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Re: Use an iPod as a USB drive ?

[Alex Tweedly]

Marian Petrides wrote:

I'm not sure why this surprises either of you.  Items copied to one's  
HD but not loaded into iTunes won't play in iTunes.  


That may be a Mac restriction (though I doubt it), but it doesn't apply 
on Win. I double click on any MP3 (or other audio) file and iTunes plays 
it (maybe there's a hair to be split - maybe iTunes "loads" it into 
iTunes on the fly, but in terms of the effect for me as a user, this 
restriction doesn't appear to apply).


Likewise items  copied to the iPod's HD as data won't play on the 
iPod. To play on  the iPod they need to be loaded onto it from iTunes 
on your computer-- which then allows the iPod's software to recognize 
them as music  rather than data.


I guess I can't see why iPod's software can't figure out that an MP3 
file can be played, just like any other piece of software can.


>>>you can copy files to an iPod being used as an external disk, but  
can't then play them as tunes.


All you need to do in this case is to ALSO load them onto the iPod  
using iTunes--so that the iPod's software recognizes them as music  
not a data file.


All I need to do is make two copies of it, taking twice as much time and 
space. Yeah, OK, but that's exactly what I find disappointing.
And I can't see any reason for that restriction other than DRM, and 
putting the DRM requirements before the user's convenience.


But I can't think of a way to drag this back on topic for the Rev list, 
so I'll stop now. Thank you again for taking the time to go look this up 
and let me know. Even though I'm mildly irritated by this misfeature, I 
am glad to know the iPod is a practical solution, and can go buy one for 
myself as well as the "client" for whom I need to put Rev stacks on an iPod.



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Re: The end of OS9 development

[Kay C Lan]

On 5/11/06, Dan Shafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I apologize for the curt sound of my "bite the bullet" message and all the
counter-argument it generated here.



As one who is constantly amazed at the continual flow of HyperCard refugees
that popup on this list I provide my own calculation of when the death of
OS9 will be:

When you see the last reference on this list of someone who is looking for a
HC alternative or 'converting' a HC stack then punch the stop watch. Then
count the years,days and minutes to the last HC release - 1995 some time I
think.

With the result, add it to some time in 2002 - the year the QuickSilver G4's
came out. The early ones came with OS9, the later ones came with OSX.

So no earlier than 2013 if today was the last HC reference day.

Dan wrote:


I'm another one who's happy to see OS 9 ride off into the sunset.



I'm sorry if I've made you sad Dan:-)
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Re: table fields

[Serge Ségu]

Le 11 mai 2006, à 03:32, Russ McBride a écrit :

 I've gleaned a few tidbits from sifting through old emails and 
looking at Eric Chatonet's example.


oups, sorry for my previous answer, I've read too fast
Serge

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Re: Use an iPod as a USB drive ?

[Kay C Lan]

Further to the tangent.

At the beginning of the year my son's teacher recently requested that I
purchase a USB thumbdrive so that my son could easily transfer files to the
class computer for printing - he takes a G3 PB to school, the class computer
is  windoz. I personally thought just unplugging the USB printer cable and
plugging it into the PB would be a very reasonable idea but for 'reasons'
the USB thumbdrive was what the teacher wanted. So, not having bought one
before I logged onto my Mac User Group forum and asked for recommendations.

The first response I got back was to buy and iPod Shuffle. At first I
thought it was a joke, until I did some further investigations:

Iomega 1GB Thumbdrive = US99
iPod Shuffle 1GB = US99

The Iomega does nothing but store data!

So now we all now that an iPod can store data - but in case you didn't know,
an Iomega Thumbdrive can't play music;-)
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