Re: Looping in quicktime movies
On Jul 1, 2006, at 8:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone suggest a good way of making a quicktime movie play continuously back and forth rather than starting from the beginning with each loop? This would be useful in creating a realistic continuous water wave motion that does not loop and jerk back to the beginning of the movie when the movie ends. Steve, This is called palindrome looping and is possible using QuickTime though Revolution doesn't have built-in support for it. It you don't mind using an external then you can use the EnhancedQT external to set the loop type of a movie in a player object to palindrome. The command you would need is qtMakeMovieLoop. You can find the documentation for this at: http://www.bluemangolearning.com/developer/revolution/eqt_documentation/ Click on Movie Properties in the frame on the left and then click on qtMakeMovieLoop in the list of handlers. The external is available here: http://www.bluemangolearning.com/developer/revolution/enhancedqt.php -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Valentina external on OS X
On 7/2/06 1:23 AM, Trevor DeVore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Trevor, On Jul 1, 2006, at 3:20 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote: * bridge between RevDB and Valentina API if I not mistake, in both sides... You are right Ruslan. It goes both ways though there is only a Valentina external function to go from RevDB to valentina. For valentina to revdb you pass the valentina connection reference to revOpenDatabase (though I don't remember the exact syntax). Is that in the wiki? It is exactly in our V4REV/Examples/TestProject Docs I am not sure yet updated -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Smart card reader
Hi Yves, I have tried several times with various card readers to do this and have not managed to do it on wither Mac or PC. Windows uses a protocol called PCSC and supposedly, you can download Mac drivers for it. I have done that, but as you say, never get more than the you are connected message. If you can work out how to do this, I would be really interested to know how, but I don't hold out a lot of hope for success :-( My solution was to get an electronics guru to make me a box that talks to the smart card reader internally and allows me to read write through a serial port. Cheers, Sarah It's an USB device The driver is effectively a PCSC I've downloaded the mac driver I can connect and make some dialogwith the card reader through the terminal, but nothing happens in rev with - open driver - read from driver I hope somebody on the list has gone a little further ... ! When I read your answer, I'am a little desperated ... I had some hope end of june, because there was a patch for the mac driver to download on the website But it gives no difference They say that it would work with FireFox, but it's not true Thereforfe I'm trying to make a data reader and viewer from within Rev. Anybody else has experience with such a driver ??? Greetings. Yves COPPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Long FileName Solution!
Aloha, Ken: You are a gem, and this is gold... it solves many challenges for me across a dozen contexts. The filename hash occurs on the drop, but once unencrypted the rename command does not touch it. Marvelous... Thanks! on dragEnter set the acceptDrop to true end dragEnter on dragDrop put dragData[files] into pPath put stsLongFilePath(pPath) into pPath set the itemdel to / put item -1 of pPath into tFileName rename pPath to (/Users/katir/Desktop/taka-audio transcripts/ loaded to dBase but not on TAKA/ tFileName) #Yes! full file name in the new directory end dragDrop On Jul 01, 2006, at 10:03 AM, Ken Ray wrote: Ok the problem of long file names on the Mac not working in Revolution continues to bite me at every turn... Here's the latest. I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but the following function takes a hashed shortened file name and returns the full long name to it using AppleScript: function stsLongFilePath pPath switch (the platform) case MacOS -- assumes OS X put set tPath to quote pPath quote cr \ set tPath to (POSIX file tPath) as string cr \ POSIX path of tPath into tScript do tScript as AppleScript return (char 2 to -2 of the result) -- strips quotes break case Win32 return the longFilePath of pPath break end switch end stsLongFilePath So if you did a drag-and-drop operation and the path is hashed, you could run it through stsLongFilePath to get the full path name. Perhaps some variation of this will work for you... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Maximum image size
Sarah, I have been checking for images with any dimension greater than 4000 so that's probably a safe margin. However it sounds ... ...snip... ... t worked with anything larger than 5 Mpx (2576x1932);but I encountered no problems with MacOSX Rev v2.1.2 and WinXP Rev2.7. Try showing a really big image in an image object - you just get black grey streaks but no error message when setting the filename of the image, which is a real problem. My portfolio stack has a zoom in slider which displays a 5 Mpx jpeg at full size--or at least that portion that fits within the stack's rect and is not covered by an opaque mask. Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software Company And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee. from The Triple Foole by John Donne (1572-1631) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Market Share
Jin,et al: For my money, Jobs is a true visionary... As a disgruntled HyperCard evangelist, I see him in a different light: Steve Job's sole contribution to the technical side of computing was his insight as to how the mouse device under development at Xerox's PARC research center could drive a GUI. Having brought this technology to the marketplace, Jobs chose to compete on the basis of technology when buyers had shifted focus to price (or were, at least, beginning to? Perhaps this was an early indicator of the coming wave of Wal Mart mentality?) Too bad he totally didn't get it when it came to HyperCard or QuickTime Interactive. Having established Apple as a leading innovator in computer technology, promotion of HyperCard as Microsoft promoted VB and/or (as Gil Amellio [sp?] was committed to) bringing QTI to market would have built upon and enhanced that position. Instead, Jobs' second coming brought us colored computers. Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software Company And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee. from The Triple Foole by John Donne (1572-1631) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Can altBrowser search for text in a website?
I'm happy to see that altBrowser can find text using... XBrowser_Set selected, SearchWord, BrowserID However, when I use it, it only finds the very first instance of the word I search for within the website. I'd like to implement Previous/Next buttons just like other browsers. If anyone has any tips on how to do this, please let me know. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Market Snare
Jobs' contributions a lot more than Bill Gates'. As I see it, he didn't invent anything...just resold or stole stuff that others did. I get tired of hearing what a genius he is, compared to the 'greatness' of Edison, etc... Actually, that's what Edison didstole from and exploited others and claimed the credit. Anyway, I'm glad Jobs came back. He killed Copeland and started the road to a stable MacOS that took years - many companies would not have looked so far ahead. And he hired some good people to make the new OS. Apple wouldn't exist now if he hadn't come back. It is perplexing that Jobs was so vehement about shutting HC down - Hypercard was one of the most Mac-like products out there - an extension of the Mac desktop. Perhaps he thought Applescript was all we needed. sqb Jin,et al: For my money, Jobs is a true visionary... As a disgruntled HyperCard evangelist, I see him in a different light: Steve Job's sole contribution to the technical side of computing was his insight as to how the mouse device under development at Xerox's PARC research center could drive a GUI. -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: how do you get the evaluated value of a system variable rather than the literal text value in the case of a system variable like $HOME?
Brian, that worked perfectly. Thanks! On Jun 30, 2006, at 7:12 PM, Brian Yennie wrote: Josh, Try: put value ($HOME) On 1 Jul 2006, at 01:46, Josh Mellicker wrote: Sorry if this has been answered many times, I couldn't find it. My noob brain is twisted... Let's say a stored destination file path is: $HOME,/Applications/ But if you say: item 1 of tFilePath item 2 of tFilePath, instead of what you want: /Users/Eggbert/Applications you get literally: $HOME/Applications ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Buttons within Quicktime Movies
On Jul 1, 2006, at 8:35 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote: Invisible buttons: You can already get clicks in the QT window space. A player object receives all mouse messages. So if you just want to create invisible hotspots then you can capture mouse clicks in a player and check them against some predefined invisible hotspots rectangles that you define. This is the easiest approach. You can also create Flash buttons over a Quicktime movie, (if you need them to move and resize, for example) and trap their FSCommands with Trevor's amazing external. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
how to implement a activation code?
Is there a sample of how to implement a activation code and or a limited number of trial days with a standalone build? Robert Mann ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Maximum image size
I have been checking for images with any dimension greater than 4000 so that's probably a safe margin. However it sounds ... ...snip... ... t worked with anything larger than 5 Mpx (2576x1932);but I encountered no problems with MacOSX Rev v2.1.2 and WinXP Rev2.7. Try showing a really big image in an image object - you just get black grey streaks but no error message when setting the filename of the image, which is a real problem. My portfolio stack has a zoom in slider which displays a 5 Mpx jpeg at full size--or at least that portion that fits within the stack's rect and is not covered by an opaque mask. It's related to the number of pixels rather than the size of the image. I have a 3 MB JPG that's 6572 x 8293 pixels. That will not display correctly and resizing the image object makes no difference. However a 9 MB file that is only 3303 x 3015 pixels will display perfectly. I want to do some tests to confirm the exact point at which the problems occur: it does not fail just because one of the dimensions is over 4096 pixels, as I can display an image that is 3048 x 9280. So the limiting factor must be the 2 dimensions multiplied. I tried lowering the number of colors with the first image (6572 x 8293) and that made no difference, even when I went down to 256 colors. Anyway Rob, you may want to add a check for large images to your portfolio stack, as the result looks terrible if the image is too large. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Smart card reader
On 7/2/06, Yves COPPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Yves, I have tried several times with various card readers to do this and have not managed to do it on wither Mac or PC. Windows uses a protocol called PCSC and supposedly, you can download Mac drivers for it. I have done that, but as you say, never get more than the you are connected message. If you can work out how to do this, I would be really interested to know how, but I don't hold out a lot of hope for success :-( My solution was to get an electronics guru to make me a box that talks to the smart card reader internally and allows me to read write through a serial port. Cheers, Sarah It's an USB device The driver is effectively a PCSC I've downloaded the mac driver I can connect and make some dialogwith the card reader through the terminal, but nothing happens in rev with - open driver - read from driver I hope somebody on the list has gone a little further ... ! When I read your answer, I'am a little desperated ... I had some hope end of june, because there was a patch for the mac driver to download on the website But it gives no difference They say that it would work with FireFox, but it's not true Thereforfe I'm trying to make a data reader and viewer from within Rev. Yes, I got one set of drivers that were supposed to be Netscape-compatible, but I never understood how this was supposed to work. I certainly couldn't read the card data using a browser! Sorry to be so unhelpful, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Icon menu blocking standard menus
On 7/2/06, Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The instructions for using these unsupported features say that I can't bug report them, but I was wondering if anyone else had encountered this problem and if so, if they had a solution. Well, that may be true, but when they first came out I identified a bug on Windows with the iconMenu and since I hadn't read the instructions for unsupported features (grin), I bugzilla'ed it and it got fixed in the next rev... Thanks Ken, I've bugzilla'd it anyway :-) http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3721 Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What's The Verdict, Web or Not?
Bill Marriott wrote: I just hope that people don't confuse won't get it with don't need it Have you considered the possibility that your needs may be different from others'? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: how to implement a activation code?
There are many, many ways to do this. Some of them would involve the standalone phoning home to a server which, would enable or disable the software. Another method would be to encode the expiration date into the activation code itself. For example if you wanted it to work the way Revolution does, with a user emailing in to request a key. The code knows when it expires. A third way is to hide something in the registry (Windows) or somewhere on-disk where it's not easy to be found. Here's a very very simple (and thus, easily cracked) algorithm: suppose the expiration date is 8/2/06 the result of base64encode(compress(8/2/06)) is H4sIA7PQN9I3MAMAKw61YwY= 8/3/06 is H4sIA7PQN9Y3MAMATmkJ2wY= 9/2/06 is H4sIA7PUN9I3MAMAjt3pqAY= 11/24/09 is H4sIAzM01Dcy0TewBAC5rlHDCA= Not that while some characters are the same, there's no obvious human-readable pattern. Also, it turns out that the H4sIA prefix and the = suffix are the same for all values encoded this way. So, your activation code could be: 7PQN9I3MAMAKw61Yw In the standalone you would add use something like put H4sIA into daPrefix put = into daSuffix put decompress(base64decode(daPrefix daCode daSuffix)) \ into daExpireDate if daExpireDate the date then answer Your trial period is over quit end if There are many other, better ways you could encode a date (and other information) into an activation code. This is just one idea. The simplest code of all could be just three letters: numtochar(month + 32) \ numtochar(day+ 32) \ numtochar(year - 2000 + 32) Of course, people might guess that. Robert Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there a sample of how to implement a activation code and or a limited number of trial days with a standalone build? Robert Mann ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What's The Verdict, Web or Not?
What a non-sequiter, Richard... Whether they are or not is irrelevant; won't get it and don't need it are two separate states and shouldn't be jumbled up. It's as if I said, Driving 120 miles per hour may be unsafe, but it's not impossible and you replied, But people want to drive at different speeds. Obviously for whatever motives, some people aren't enthusiastic about a browser plug-in that could run Rev code. [Hey, some people apparently don't like chocolate and peanut butter together, either.] That is fine, but don't dismiss it on spurious technical grounds, because there really aren't any. (Or at least not any more than any other comparable plug-in.) Actually... as long as we've migrated to speed metaphors... the whole debate reminds me of a series of commercials for Comcast internet. This series features a pair of turtles, called the Slowskys, who love DSL so much that they've become DSL's national spoke-turtles. [The joke/selling point is that Comcast cable is 8x faster than DSL.] As you can imagine, the Slowskys don't like things fast. http://theslowskys.com/ Anyway, I wouldn't worry about a browser plug-in. This whole web thing is just a fad that will be over before you know it. CD-ROMS, that's the future. I just hope that people don't confuse won't get it with don't need it Have you considered the possibility that your needs may be different from others'? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Maximum image size
On 07/02/2006 at 06:30 PM, Sarah Reichelt [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: It's related to the number of pixels rather than the size of the image. I have a 3 MB JPG that's 6572 x 8293 pixels. That will not display correctly and resizing the image object makes no difference. However a 9 MB file that is only 3303 x 3015 pixels will display perfectly. I want to do some tests to confirm the exact point at which the problems occur: it does not fail just because one of the dimensions is over 4096 pixels, as I can display an image that is 3048 x 9280. So the limiting factor must be the 2 dimensions multiplied. Sarah, I would be very interested in knowing the exact recipe that produces this scrambled cable channel effect with large images in Mac OS. I have an application that works 95% of the time, but certain large images will fail. I've noticed that sometimes the image is fine at first, but the user needs it rotated 90 degrees. They rotate it, and BAM, scrambled image. Prior to the release of 2.7.x of Rev, I was told that the image handling routines were going to be reworked in 2.7 (for Mac and Win). Yes, Windows has problems too, but different... large file size images cause significant slowdown of the app. Anyway, I contacted Runtime and was told that the image routine improvements did not happen in 2.7, but resources were instead focused on improved vector graphic features like antialiasing. I wonder if this problem is back on the agenda or forgotten again in favor of the next cool, but unnecessary feature of the day. When our customers demand that our apps work correctly, yet the engine has a serious design flaw, what can we do besides wait for Runtime to fix it? Roger Eller [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What's The Verdict, Web or Not?
Though I've only been reading this forum for a short time, I've now got the definite impression that the Revolution environment is for developers - hard core developers . . . well, programmers - hard core programmers . . . not weak, infantile users like myself, who could never program their way out of a paper sack. O.K., I was profoundly mistaken in thinking there was any validity to creating simple, in-browser content made with Revolution. It is obviously a much more sophisticated tool intended for a much more sophisticated audience. And, I agree with Bill Marriot. CD-Roms are the wave of the future. Greg Smith -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/What%27s-The-Verdict%2C-Web-or-Not--tf1876146.html#a5145809 Sent from the Revolution - User forum at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Sub-stack deleted!
On 7/1/06, Sivakatirswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was working in a stack trying to solve a long file name problem (see other memo) and when I went to save, one of the substacks (contained all the data!) was gone. this used to happen a long time ago...fortunately I can go back to our raid Array and get a copy from yesterday from Retrospect, but lost all of today's work... Good lesson, intensive work may want continuous back ups.. I've been spoiled by Rev..have had only two such problems in 3 years... One of the reason that this use to happen was when trying to delete characters in the pre-2.7 Help Docs search field you wouldn't realize the focus was actually still on the script you were editing or a control you had selected. Haven't seen this is 2.7 but I still follow this method: 1) Save regularly. 2) Each day the first time I open a project that I intend to amend, I Save as... with a new name, which is basically the project name, the rev version + an ever increasing version number; My Killer App 2.7v55 That way, on the odd occasion where I suddenly find I've deleted a control and I can't Undo I just open the previous version and copy the control across - the only thing I've lost is the changes to that particular control. Of course if I really screw up I can go back to where I was 'yesterday'. I've got to say though, Rev has come along way with it's stability and presents far less unpleasant surprises. HTH ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: how to implement a activation code?
I was thinking along the line of how revolution does it, just not sure how that is done? Robert Mann -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bill Marriott Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 7:37 PM To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: how to implement a activation code? There are many, many ways to do this. Some of them would involve the standalone phoning home to a server which, would enable or disable the software. Another method would be to encode the expiration date into the activation code itself. For example if you wanted it to work the way Revolution does, with a user emailing in to request a key. The code knows when it expires. A third way is to hide something in the registry (Windows) or somewhere on-disk where it's not easy to be found. Here's a very very simple (and thus, easily cracked) algorithm: suppose the expiration date is 8/2/06 the result of base64encode(compress(8/2/06)) is H4sIA7PQN9I3MAMAKw61YwY= 8/3/06 is H4sIA7PQN9Y3MAMATmkJ2wY= 9/2/06 is H4sIA7PUN9I3MAMAjt3pqAY= 11/24/09 is H4sIAzM01Dcy0TewBAC5rlHDCA= Not that while some characters are the same, there's no obvious human-readable pattern. Also, it turns out that the H4sIA prefix and the = suffix are the same for all values encoded this way. So, your activation code could be: 7PQN9I3MAMAKw61Yw In the standalone you would add use something like put H4sIA into daPrefix put = into daSuffix put decompress(base64decode(daPrefix daCode daSuffix)) \ into daExpireDate if daExpireDate the date then answer Your trial period is over quit end if There are many other, better ways you could encode a date (and other information) into an activation code. This is just one idea. The simplest code of all could be just three letters: numtochar(month + 32) \ numtochar(day+ 32) \ numtochar(year - 2000 + 32) Of course, people might guess that. Robert Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there a sample of how to implement a activation code and or a limited number of trial days with a standalone build? Robert Mann ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What's The Verdict, Web or Not?
On Jul 2, 2006, at 9:22 PM, GregSmith wrote: Though I've only been reading this forum for a short time, I've now got the definite impression that the Revolution environment is for developers - hard core developers . . . well, programmers - hard core programmers . . . not weak, infantile users like myself, who could never program their way out of a paper sack. O.K., I was profoundly mistaken in thinking there was any validity to creating simple, in-browser content made with Revolution. It is obviously a much more sophisticated tool intended for a much more sophisticated audience. I think you may have gotten the wrong impression; Revolution, while not HyperCard, is, IMHO, very usable by reasonably competent users as well as by hard core programmers to make what it was intended for, desktop software. I have no doubt that you could create a useful Rev stack in a short time if you decided you wanted to even if you have never written a program before. There is no doubt that Rev is a powerful environment that can and is used by sophisticated hard core programmers to create sophisticated software but that doesn't make it unusable by us lesser mortals. However, Rev is not software for rendering in-browser content. That's not what it's intended for. It might be very cool if someday someone created a browser plugin to render Rev window content in a browser but the fact that it is not available today does not mean that it is only intended for a much more sophisticated audience. Nor does the fact that its programming language can be used by relatively sophisticated users for scripting CGI's mean that it's suitable for rendering html whether by hard core programmers or by weak, infantile users (although anyone who really is a weak, infantile user would be unlikely to have ever found there way here in the first place.) In concluding that because Rev is not a good tool for creating simple, in-browser content and therefore it is only for hard core programmers, you are comparing apples and oranges. Such a conclusion makes no more sense that complaining than would condemning Word because it can't be used to do photoediting; there are lots of reasons to complain about Word but that would not be one of them. Spence James P. Spencer Rochester, MN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Badges?? We don't need no stinkin badges! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What's The Verdict, Web or Not?
Bill, Richard, et al, I won't touch the don't need it debate with a ten foot pole at this point. Personally, I don't need it and would prefer to use any of the other fine tools for browser-based content, HOWEVER, I see no problem with anyone else salivating over a Rev plugin. Heck, I'd probably find some use for it if there was one. What I wanted to comment on is: That is fine, but don't dismiss it on spurious technical grounds, because there really aren't any. (Or at least not any more than any other comparable plug-in.) It's not spurious. There's history here. Roadster (Supercard web plugin) did an excellent job of sucking resources and falling on it's face with a company similarly equipped to RunRev (i.e., small). And Roadster was a significantly smaller technical feat, because it only ran on one platform. Revolution is hugely intertwined with OS-specific calls, file system access, multiple windows and a ton of other stuff that just doesn't fit in a browser window. I'm not saying it's impossible. Of course it's not. But raising technical objections is quite sound here. I've written externals for Revolution, compiled and modified Mozilla from the source, am familiar with the browser plugin API -- and I can barely imagine trying to fit Revolution in there. It's a much taller task than any plugin I know of. There ARE technical reasons why you don't see entire RAD environments running inside browsers. And no, Flash is not a RAD tool. Anyway, perhaps we can agree - there are more than spurious technical hurdles, but some of us think they would be worth it (even though I do not). - Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What's The Verdict, Web or Not?
It's not a reason to complain about Word because, well, you *can* edit photos with it http://www.wjm.org/linked/word-photo.gif (and draw simple graphics... and [cough] display its content in a web browser) James Spencer wrote... Such a conclusion makes no more sense that complaining than would condemning Word because it can't be used to do photoediting; there are lots of reasons to complain about Word but that would not be one of them. [I think some of Greg's sarcasm was lost on you] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Market Share
On 7/2/06, Jim Carwardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You would be surprised at how many CEOs out there do get it and could replace Jobs. Rob Cozens wrote: Instead, Jobs' second coming brought us colored computers. My point exactly. How many other CEO out there can make so much money out of such irrelevance. From a technological standpoint, truly embarrassing. From a marketing standpoint, head a shoulders, world record, Gold medal, hall of fame never to be forgotten kinda of stuff. I reckon Kevin wishes he could get an extra million sales just by changing the colour of the box:-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What's The Verdict, Web or Not?
On 7/3/06, Bill Marriott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not a reason to complain about Word because, well, you *can* edit photos with it http://www.wjm.org/linked/word-photo.gif (and draw simple graphics... and [cough] display its content in a web browser) It's cross platform and it does tables with great aplume. So clearly the answer is to suggest to MS to write a pluggin for Word so that it can be used as a RAD. So simple:-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What's The Verdict, Web or Not?
Brian Yennie wrote, I see no problem with anyone else salivating over a Rev plug-in. Heck, I'd probably find some use for it if there was one. :) It's not spurious. There's history here. Roadster (Supercard web plug-in) did an excellent job of sucking resources and falling on its face with a company similarly equipped to RunRev (i.e., small). And Roadster was a significantly smaller technical feat, because it only ran on one platform. Resources is one thing; bugs are another. (And did you mean, system resources, or company resources?) Sophisticated Flash solutions can take up several megabytes of RAM. More than a similar Rev standalone, in some cases. As for Roadster, I am sure that Apple didn't particularly care about making it cross-platform; they're funny/weird that way. (Apple *still* offers a non-xplat plug-in architecture.) By a plug-in comparable [to Rev] I mean Director of course. Director's lingo is/was even a variant of HyperTalk, before it transmogrified into a multi-headed ECMAscript beast. Revolution is hugely intertwined with OS-specific calls, file system access, multiple windows and a ton of other stuff that just doesn't fit in a browser window. In one of my earlier posts, I did comment that the browser sandbox would be the hardest aspect of a Rev plugin. Presumably one wouldn't be able to access the local system at all. And you wouldn't be able to spawn new windows, either. Not all technical issues are spurious but some of the ones bandied about certainly are. By the way... Clearly this is about using Rev to write stacks that target the browser... not to expect to run any Rev stack without modification within a browser window. I'm not saying it's impossible. Of course it's not. But raising technical objections is quite sound here. I've written externals for Revolution, compiled and modified Mozilla from the source, am familiar with the browser plugin API -- and I can barely imagine trying to fit Revolution in there. It's a much taller task than any plugin I know of. There ARE technical reasons why you don't see entire RAD environments running inside browsers. And no, Flash is not a RAD tool. And since Rev itself can't access the document object model, presumably a plugin woudn't be able to either, severely limiting its functionality. Yes, there would be some issues trying to get the existing Rev shoe-horned into a browser plugin. However, building a plugin that can present rev stacks is another question :) Anyway, perhaps we can agree - there are more than spurious technical hurdles, but some of us think they would be worth it (even though I do not). Yes... it's a big job. My point is NOT that Oh those Rev folks are so mean, they could just wave a hand and give us something we want, effortlessly. There are issues, sure. Solvable ones. I reject the claim that Rev is not appropriate for web delivery, or inherently incompatible with the concept, as spurious. I think many (perhaps even most) regulars here on the Rev list have accepted the niche Revolution has found and hopes it continues to be maintained and thrive in that niche. We feel lucky that Rev, such as it is, even exists... let alone that it works as well as it does to create real applications on the big three OS platforms. But you know, there is no President Bush who is going to declare our coral reef a wildlife sanctuary. Rev is going to have to adapt long term to survive, in my opinion. I think that means eventually running on the Web -- the latest and most important platform out there. As Stephen Hawking said, Leave Earth or die! :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: how to implement a activation code?
a) Rev isn't going to tell you how they do it ;) b) That basically *is* how they do it -- encoding an expiry date into the key -- but using a much more sophisticated algorithm. To the best of my knowledge, the Rev app doesn't phone home. - You register online to receive a key - Their server system creates a key which embeds the version number, expiry date, and perhaps other information - They email the key to you - Your copy of Rev decrypts the key and unlocks the software according to the rules embedded in the key itself Robert Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I was thinking along the line of how revolution does it, just not sure how that is done? Robert Mann ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What's The Verdict, Web or Not?
Hey, I think you're on to something! :D Kay C Lan wrote On 7/3/06, Bill Marriott wrote: It's not a reason to complain about Word because, well, you *can* edit photos with it http://www.wjm.org/linked/word-photo.gif (and draw simple graphics... and [cough] display its content in a web browser) It's cross platform and it does tables with great aplume. So clearly the answer is to suggest to MS to write a pluggin for Word so that it can be used as a RAD. So simple:-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Escape infinite loops
Hi all, I have a script that somehow has an infinite loop somewhere, although I cannot see where or why. Back in the HyperCard days I ran more often into such an error. I had to use Command-dot often to stop executing scripts. But RunRev 2.7 doesn't seem to respond to that. So I force-quit RunRev. But is there another way to abort executing scripts? Also, is there a way to give a handler a maximum time to finish? Terry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
