Re: Force interrupt

2007-01-12 Thread Stephen Barncard

try checking the allowinterrupts

set the allowInterrupts to {true | false}
Summary:
Specifies whether the user can halt a handler with a key combination.

One of the versions in the past had the default reversed.


I wish it was a repeat loop, but if it was, it would certainly occur 
on all the computers we're testing on... or at least regularly on 
the same computer. This problem does not. It never occurs on half 
the computers and only occurs sometimes on some of them in the exact 
same spot. In other words, moving from a given card to another card 
will sometimes trigger the problem, and other times it won't. I 
can't see how that you be a problem with a repeat loop.


Richard



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Re: Re-2: AltBrowser licensing/documentation

2007-01-12 Thread Chipp Walters

Certainly OK by us at Altuit-- and since Kevin now owns altBrowser, his
okeydokey would allow for it.
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Re: Force interrupt

2007-01-12 Thread Jim Ault
On 1/12/07 11:17 AM, "Richard Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I wish it was a repeat loop, but if it was, it would certainly occur
> on all the computers we're testing on... or at least regularly on the
> same computer. This problem does not. It never occurs on half the
> computers and only occurs sometimes on some of them in the exact same
> spot. In other words, moving from a given card to another card will
> sometimes trigger the problem, and other times it won't. I can't see
> how that you be a problem with a repeat loop.

Ahh, that is a bit trickier.
The way it might be a repeat loop is that 'on opencard or closecard handlers
will contain a repeat loop or trigger one.  Another possibility is that
there is a 'send' that has a pending message which depends on the current
card will trigger and the new card is missing some required info.

If this is not the case, then it could be something about the operating
system or path names on the hard drive.  One example would be reading a file
into a variable, and if the path or file name was incorrect, the variable
would be empty and the program expects something to be there.
--eg.
put lineoffset(the short id of this card, idListOfLinkedCards) into pos
--where pos is 0 and you are expecting a positive integer

Perhaps you could install a 'on closecard' handler in the back and trap for
the particular condition in the 'exact spot', such as 'if the id of this
card is 2343 then breakpoint'.

What you are experiencing is my least favorite bug to track down.

The technique I resort to is writing a log file to produce an audit trail,
especially in my networking software that operates on different computers
and runs asynchronously.  Very difficult to isolate the bugs.
--example ---
put tab into t
put the short date into dateStr
replace "/" with empty in dateStr
get dateStr & t & the short time
get it & t &  var1 & t & var2 & t & var3 & t & the short id of this card
put (it & cr) after url ("file:"& dateStr&"logOut.txt")

--now if the force quit is necessary, the log file will have the last
successful handler call as the last line of the logOut file.  The tabs are
so that Excel can be used to open the file for analysis.

Be careful of very large logOut file sizes of > 2 Mb.  Slower performance
issues, but not crashing. I have had 34 Mb log files by accident and only
saw slow perfomance.

Hope this helps

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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Re: Re-6: AltBrowser licensing/documentation

2007-01-12 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins
Strange. AlFont worked for me this time. The first time I had to fix  
the link. Oh, well. Regardless, thanks.


Joe

On Jan 12, 2007, at 11:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am really sorry. I was in a hurry. Was out for dinner and was   
late as always. So i did not check the links. Please excuse.


I uploaded the altFont.pdf also as alFont.pdf.
So the provided link works.  ;-)

Matthias


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Subject: Re: Re-4: AltBrowser licensing/documentation (12-Jan-2007  
19:26)

From:Joe Lewis Wilkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]


The last link has a typo:  should be altFont

Joe Wilkins

On Jan 12, 2007, at 9:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


http://support.were-here.net/rc/alFont.pdf


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Re-6: AltBrowser licensing/documentation

2007-01-12 Thread runrev260805
I am really sorry. I was in a hurry. Was out for dinner and was  late as 
always. So i did not check the links. Please excuse.

I uploaded the altFont.pdf also as alFont.pdf.
So the provided link works.  ;-)

Matthias


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Subject: Re: Re-4: AltBrowser licensing/documentation (12-Jan-2007 19:26)
From:Joe Lewis Wilkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> The last link has a typo:  should be altFont
> 
> Joe Wilkins
> 
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Re-6: AltBrowser licensing/documentation

2007-01-12 Thread runrev260805
Yes, you are right. That´s all i got as an documentation for altFont. It 
contains all what you need to know to use it.

Matthias



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Subject: Re: Re-4: AltBrowser licensing/documentation (12-Jan-2007 20:20)
From:Bill Marriott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> And the altFont PDF doc at
> 
> http://support.were-here.net/rc/altFont.pdf
> 
> seems suspiciously short... just the first page.
> 
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Re: Virtual Custom Property Sample - Recursion Limit Problem

2007-01-12 Thread Richard Gaskin

Jim Ault wrote:


As Eric described, the getProp/setProp messages are unlike others in the
respect that passing the message 'starts it at the card level' once again,
thus trapping its own message and entering an inescapable recursion loop.

Lock messages=true  will mean the unwanted message will not be introduced
into the hierarchy.  Actually, I find little or no value to the
getProp/setProp behavior and simply program a normal handler to do the task.
Every time I think that getProp will be an advantage, it turns out not to be
and no pesky recursion to thwart.


And FWIW, using getProp/setProp benchmarks a tad slower than calling a 
handler, so it really depends on what you want to accomplish.


One thing getProp/setProp do well is maintain a reference to a specific 
object, the target.  So if all you need is something procedural a 
handler will do, but if you need something to act on a specific object 
which may not be the target of a user interaction then getProp/setProp 
can be helpful.


There are a few nuances of getProp/setProp which may be worth noting:

As the original post found, when using a setProp handler in the script 
of the affected object, if that setProp handler also sets a property of 
the object there will be no recursion error, since the engine does its 
own implicit sort of "lockMessages" for such instances.


But if the setProp handler is further down the message path outside of 
the target object, then no implicit locking takes place and the setProp 
handler's setting of the same property will trigger recursion.


In addition to locking the messages yourself, you can also use a 
different name for the property in which you actually store a value.  I 
tend to use a convention in which actual properties set by setProp 
handlers are preceded by an underscore to distinguish them from the 
property name accessed by other handlers:


setProp MyProperty pMyValue
   set the _MyProperty of the target to pMyValue
end MyProperty


If there's a case where I need to actual property name to be the same as 
the public property name (rare but it happens), I usually just do the 
lockMessages right in the setProp handler itself so there's less to do 
when calling it elsewhere:


setProp MyProperty pMyValue
   lock messages
   set the MyProperty of the target to pMyValue
   unlock messages
end MyProperty


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Re: Force interrupt

2007-01-12 Thread Richard Miller
I wish it was a repeat loop, but if it was, it would certainly occur  
on all the computers we're testing on... or at least regularly on the  
same computer. This problem does not. It never occurs on half the  
computers and only occurs sometimes on some of them in the exact same  
spot. In other words, moving from a given card to another card will  
sometimes trigger the problem, and other times it won't. I can't see  
how that you be a problem with a repeat loop.


Richard


On Jan 12, 2007, at 2:09 PM, Jim Ault wrote:


Here's the tough part... I can't know in advance where the running
script is originating. I simply know something is running
somewhere in my stack, and whatever it is, I want to abort it via
script control.



The most basic explanation that I have encountered for 'locked'  
routines is

that you have triggered a repeat loop with a condition that makes it
infinite.  Rev runs code so quickly that it does not 'see' the ctrl  
period
or escape and halt, at least in my experiences.  Even if it does  
stop, you
don't know where!  Unfortunately for you, I am such a good  
programmer that I

never write an infinite loop so have limited experience with this.

You can stop laughing now.  The standard technique for me is to  
write a

stack or lib handler

on debugAltStop
  if the altKey is down then breakpoint --optKey on Mac
end debugAltStop


repeat while tProcess is not empty
   debugAltStop
   --do my work

end repeat
Now if you drop into 'debugStop" you can step into the handler that is
spinning when you held the altKey down.

You could write a little stack/lib handler in Rev to edit all of your
scripts and add the 'debugStop' line.

--save a backup set of these stacks, then modify them like this.
Rev can edit is own scripts, so you might want to consider that way.

repeat with x = 1 to the number of controls --btns, flds, imgs, gps
 put the script of control x into scriptTemp
if mm is empty then next repeat
repeat for each line LNN in scriptTemp
   put LNN & cr after newScript
  if LNN contains "repeat while"
   then put LNN &cr& " debugAltStop" & cr after newScript
  if LNN contains "repeat until"
   then put LNN &cr& " debugAltStop" & cr after newScript
end repeat

set the script of btn x to "--mod with debugStop"& cr & newScript
end repeat
save this stack

* also the card. stack scripts (back, front if you used them)
After testing and locating the errors, you will fix the backups and  
put them

into use.

Hope this gives you some ideas about how to find those gremlins.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



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Re: Re-4: AltBrowser licensing/documentation

2007-01-12 Thread Bill Marriott
And the altFont PDF doc at

http://support.were-here.net/rc/altFont.pdf

seems suspiciously short... just the first page.

"Joe Lewis Wilkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
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Re: Force interrupt

2007-01-12 Thread Jim Ault
>>> Here's the tough part... I can't know in advance where the running
>>> script is originating. I simply know something is running
>>> somewhere in my stack, and whatever it is, I want to abort it via
>>> script control.
>>> 

The most basic explanation that I have encountered for 'locked' routines is
that you have triggered a repeat loop with a condition that makes it
infinite.  Rev runs code so quickly that it does not 'see' the ctrl period
or escape and halt, at least in my experiences.  Even if it does stop, you
don't know where!  Unfortunately for you, I am such a good programmer that I
never write an infinite loop so have limited experience with this.

You can stop laughing now.  The standard technique for me is to write a
stack or lib handler

on debugAltStop
  if the altKey is down then breakpoint --optKey on Mac
end debugAltStop


repeat while tProcess is not empty
   debugAltStop
   --do my work

end repeat
Now if you drop into 'debugStop" you can step into the handler that is
spinning when you held the altKey down.

You could write a little stack/lib handler in Rev to edit all of your
scripts and add the 'debugStop' line.

--save a backup set of these stacks, then modify them like this.
Rev can edit is own scripts, so you might want to consider that way.

repeat with x = 1 to the number of controls --btns, flds, imgs, gps
 put the script of control x into scriptTemp
if mm is empty then next repeat
repeat for each line LNN in scriptTemp
   put LNN & cr after newScript
  if LNN contains "repeat while"
   then put LNN &cr& " debugAltStop" & cr after newScript
  if LNN contains "repeat until"
   then put LNN &cr& " debugAltStop" & cr after newScript
end repeat

set the script of btn x to "--mod with debugStop"& cr & newScript
end repeat
save this stack

* also the card. stack scripts (back, front if you used them)
After testing and locating the errors, you will fix the backups and put them
into use.

Hope this gives you some ideas about how to find those gremlins.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



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Re: Virtual Custom Property Sample - Recursion Limit Problem

2007-01-12 Thread Jim Ault
As Eric described, the getProp/setProp messages are unlike others in the
respect that passing the message 'starts it at the card level' once again,
thus trapping its own message and entering an inescapable recursion loop.

Lock messages=true  will mean the unwanted message will not be introduced
into the hierarchy.  Actually, I find little or no value to the
getProp/setProp behavior and simply program a normal handler to do the task.
Every time I think that getProp will be an advantage, it turns out not to be
and no pesky recursion to thwart.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 1/12/07 6:14 AM, "Bernard Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I am looking into virtual custom properties (specifically: using them
> to provide default values if a custom property of an object is empty
> or does not exist).  My understanding is that a getProp message
> should percolate up the message path, and when it finds a getProp
> handler it should be able to use whatever value is returned.
> 
> This sample from the Dictionary looks like what I am trying to do
> should be reasonable:
> 
>>> 
>   getProp expertSettings[thePropertyName]
>  -- The thePropertyName parameter contains the name of
>  -- the property that's being set
>  switch thePropertyName
>  case "fileMenuContents"
>if the expertSettings[fileMenuContents] of the target \
>   is empty then return "(No items"
>else pass expertSettings
>break
>  case "editMenuContents"
>if the expertSettings[editMenuContents] of the target \
>   is empty then return \
>   the noviceSettings[editMenuContents] of the target
>else pass expertSettings
>break
>  default
>pass expertSettings
>  end switch
>end expertSettings
> 
> <<
> 
> It seems to work fine when I put this in the MB:
> 
>   get the expertSettings["fileMenuContents"] of this stack
> 
> However, if I type this instead:
> 
>   get the expertSettings["fileMenuContents"] of this card
> 
> Then I get this error:
> 
>   Message execution error:
>   Error description: recursionLimit: Recursion limit reached
> 
> The stack I'm testing this in is a new stack with no controls on it
> (just the default card of any new stack).
> 
> Is the documentation wrong, or is it my understanding of it that is
> mistaken?
> 
> Bernard
> 
> P.S. The recursionLimit is at the default of 40.  Incidentally,
> the TD says this should be 100 by default.  Since it is global
> property, I'm assuming that even if I changed it to 40 in the
> past, it should be resetting itself to 100 on restart.  Is that
> right?
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Re: Re-4: AltBrowser licensing/documentation

2007-01-12 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins

The last link has a typo:  should be altFont

Joe Wilkins

On Jan 12, 2007, at 9:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


http://support.were-here.net/rc/alFont.pdf


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Re: Any way to use BlueTooth Flic barcode scanner in Rev?

2007-01-12 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  it sounds like the only drawback is:
>  
>  1) A clunky cable interface

Well, IMO, a scanner that has some kind of display on it would be the ideal.
Because this unit has no display, there's no way to know how many items are
on it or what you last scanned, but then again it's a relatively inexpensive
unit.
  
>  I forgot to ask - - - are you doing this on a Mac or Windows platform? Would
> this work with a Mac?

Mac.

>  How does the scanner know that the data actually made it into the computer
> before it deletes all it's contents?

It doesn't care.  It sends the text whether there's a field or not, the same
as if you'd typed on your keyboard without being focused on a field.  It
works 2 ways:
1) without the cable connected, it stores scans and then dumps them when the
cable is attached
2) with the cable connected, each scan is dumped immediately

OK, enough [OT] for the list.  Back to more important Rev matters.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re-4: AltBrowser licensing/documentation

2007-01-12 Thread runrev260805
Ok, here you go

http://support.were-here.net/rc/altBrowser.pdf

http://support.were-here.net/rc/alFont.pdf


Best regards,

Matthias

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Re-2: AltBrowser licensing/documentation (12-Jan-2007 18:33)
From:Kevin Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> On 12/1/07 17:06, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > @kevin
> > @chipp
> > as i´ve already purchased altBrowser2 and altFont from Altuit several month
> > ago, i have a pdf-doc for altBrowser and a text-doc for altFont. Is it ok 
> > for
> > you, if i put them online and post that link here?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Kevin
> 
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Re: Re-2: AltBrowser licensing/documentation

2007-01-12 Thread Kevin Miller
On 12/1/07 17:06, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> @kevin
> @chipp
> as i´ve already purchased altBrowser2 and altFont from Altuit several month
> ago, i have a pdf-doc for altBrowser and a text-doc for altFont. Is it ok for
> you, if i put them online and post that link here?

Yes.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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Re: Force interrupt

2007-01-12 Thread Richard Miller
Here's the problem I'm trying to address. I'll do my best to explain  
it, even though it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.


We have a rather complex stack with almost 100 substacks. We're  
testing this app on several Windows machines. On many of the test  
units, the program runs fine. Never a problem. On some, though, the  
program comes to a halt at certain places. It sits there, with the  
cursor busy (the cursor had been previously set to busy), and will  
not proceed until I hit "command-period". The program then proceeds  
perfectly normally.


The problem is that this "bug" is mostly random. It never happens on  
some computers, and when it happens on others, there's no telling  
exactly when and where it will occur though it will only occur in  
3-5 possible places. I'm continuing to search for the source of this  
issue, but it's like a ghost.


An easier solution would be to have a script that is triggered at  
certain key places which checks to see if the cursor remains stuck in  
a busy position for too long. If that happens, I want to send an  
interrupt to the stack, just like I do via keyboard.


Any more thoughts on how to do that? Again, the problem isn't with  
finding out the software is "stuck" busy (I know how to do that), but  
telling it to interrupt whatever it's doing and simply continue.


Thanks.
Richard



On Jan 12, 2007, at 12:00 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

I think part of the problem is that your scripts are "blocking".  
Rev is not multitasking really, but it can be simulated using "with  
messages".


Can you put a script in the button that would just print some text  
to the msg box? Test it without the script running. Then try it  
with the script running.

if it doesn't print, then it's blocking.

cmd-period isn't something you want an end user to use from a  
button, usually.


anyway, you could probably make this work, but you'd have to  
rewrite stuff.
check out the 'Message Mechanics' stack for an explanation.  
(somebody help me here).


sqb

Thanks Steve, but I couldn't get your suggestion to work. Sounded  
like a good idea, though. Here's an example of what I'd like to  
have happen.


Script of btn 1:

on mouseup
  repeat with i = 1 to 1
 put i
 if i = 200 then tryit
  end repeat
end mouseup

on tryit
   ---do something here that stops the repeat loop from running
end tryit

Here's the tough part... I can't know in advance where the running  
script is originating. I simply know something is running  
somewhere in my stack, and whatever it is, I want to abort it via  
script control.


Thanks.
Richard


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Re-2: AltBrowser licensing/documentation

2007-01-12 Thread runrev260805
Hi,

@kevin
@chipp
as i´ve already purchased altBrowser2 and altFont from Altuit several month 
ago, i have a pdf-doc for altBrowser and a text-doc for altFont. Is it ok for 
you, if i put them online and post that link here?

Matthias



 Original Message 
Subject: Re: AltBrowser licensing/documentation (12-Jan-2007 17:50)
From:Kevin Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> On 12/1/07 13:05, "Michael D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I downloaded these plugins too and its great there available early, but of
> > course how to use ? be great to have some documentation. Anyone have some
> > direction ?
> 
> We have now posted license keys on the download page.  We will post the
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Re: Force interrupt

2007-01-12 Thread Stephen Barncard
I think part of the problem is that your scripts are "blocking". Rev 
is not multitasking really, but it can be simulated using "with 
messages".


Can you put a script in the button that would just print some text to 
the msg box? Test it without the script running. Then try it with the 
script running.

if it doesn't print, then it's blocking.

cmd-period isn't something you want an end user to use from a button, usually.

anyway, you could probably make this work, but you'd have to rewrite stuff.
check out the 'Message Mechanics' stack for an explanation. (somebody 
help me here).


sqb

Thanks Steve, but I couldn't get your suggestion to work. Sounded 
like a good idea, though. Here's an example of what I'd like to have 
happen.


Script of btn 1:

on mouseup
  repeat with i = 1 to 1
 put i
 if i = 200 then tryit
  end repeat
end mouseup

on tryit
   ---do something here that stops the repeat loop from running
end tryit

Here's the tough part... I can't know in advance where the running 
script is originating. I simply know something is running somewhere 
in my stack, and whatever it is, I want to abort it via script 
control.


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Re: Re-4: AltBrowser licensing/documentation

2007-01-12 Thread sims

At 8:29 AM -0800 1/12/07, Stephen Barncard wrote:

Nor did I..


Hello Matthias,


Hi,
the link was in the email "Kick-start your Year with Revolution". 
I received this email yesterday.


I didn't :-/
Klaus Major



Ummmnewsletter?  Email?  What email?

Didn't make it here...of course, here is 50 or 500 years different than the
rest of the planet. That is a good thing sometimes   ;-)

sims
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Re: Force interrupt

2007-01-12 Thread Richard Miller
Thanks Steve, but I couldn't get your suggestion to work. Sounded  
like a good idea, though. Here's an example of what I'd like to have  
happen.


Script of btn 1:

on mouseup
  repeat with i = 1 to 1
 put i
 if i = 200 then tryit
  end repeat
end mouseup

on tryit
   ---do something here that stops the repeat loop from running
end tryit

Here's the tough part... I can't know in advance where the running  
script is originating. I simply know something is running somewhere  
in my stack, and whatever it is, I want to abort it via script control.


Thanks.
Richard


On Jan 12, 2007, at 11:34 AM, Stephen Barncard wrote:


untested:

Type "." with commandkey

from the docs
Use the type command to show text appearing in a field at typing  
pace or to send keyboard events to a stack.


another way of course


on beginloop
   repeat forever
 -- code
 -- code
 if the mouse is "down" then exit to top
   end repeat
end beginloop


How can I send "command-period" to a running script through a  
button press rather than the message box? I want to be able to  
interrupt a running script by pressing a button.


Thanks.
Richard Miller
Imprinter Technologies


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Re: AltBrowser licensing/documentation

2007-01-12 Thread Kevin Miller
On 12/1/07 13:05, "Michael D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I downloaded these plugins too and its great there available early, but of
> course how to use ? be great to have some documentation. Anyone have some
> direction ?

We have now posted license keys on the download page.  We will post the
documentation and examples next week.  Please check back then.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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Re-6: AltBrowser licensing/documentation

2007-01-12 Thread runrev260805
Oh. I received it at 5 different emailadresses. It came from sales.
I think this email was addressed to users, which downloaded a trialversion of 
Revolution. I did not receive that email to my emailadress, which i used for 
registering/buying Revstudio.

If you are interested in that mail, i´ll pass it to your emailadress. Just let 
me know.

Matthias

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Re-4: AltBrowser licensing/documentation (12-Jan-2007 17:34)
From:Stephen Barncard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Nor did I..
> 
> >Hello Matthias,
> >
> >>Hi,
> >>the link was in the email "Kick-start your Year with Revolution". I 
> >>received this email yesterday.
> >
> >I didn't :-/
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Re: Force interrupt

2007-01-12 Thread Stephen Barncard

untested:

Type "." with commandkey

from the docs
Use the type command to show text appearing in a field at typing pace 
or to send keyboard events to a stack.


another way of course


on beginloop
   repeat forever
 -- code
 -- code
 if the mouse is "down" then exit to top
   end repeat
end beginloop


How can I send "command-period" to a running script through a button 
press rather than the message box? I want to be able to interrupt a 
running script by pressing a button.


Thanks.
Richard Miller
Imprinter Technologies


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Re: Re-4: AltBrowser licensing/documentation

2007-01-12 Thread Stephen Barncard

Nor did I..


Hello Matthias,


Hi,
the link was in the email "Kick-start your Year with Revolution". I 
received this email yesterday.


I didn't :-/
Klaus Major


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Re: iPhone

2007-01-12 Thread Peter T. Evensen
This fact kills it for me (in addition to being Cingular-only).  I don't 
consider it a true smart phone if you can't have 3rd party apps.


I guess I'll be sticking with my Treo.

At 06:14 PM 1/11/2007, you wrote:

All-

The iPhone as a not.for.development.get.your.hands.off device:

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/macworld2007/gizmodo-iphone-hands-on-part-deux-why-isnt-it-white-and-other-questions-227575.php

...and just out of curiosity, can anyone remember Apple announcing a
product six months before the announced shipping date?

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Force interrupt

2007-01-12 Thread Richard Miller
How can I send "command-period" to a running script through a button  
press rather than the message box? I want to be able to interrupt a  
running script by pressing a button.


Thanks.
Richard Miller
Imprinter Technologies
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Re: Re-4: AltBrowser installation

2007-01-12 Thread kee nethery
How do I install the downloads? Are they the thing I install and thus  
need all three or are they the installer and I need the one that  
matches my machine type and it will do the right thing so my apps can  
use altplugins on all the supported platforms? Or should I wait for  
something that comes with the next release?


There are docs? where?

Thanks for the links, it's a start.

Kee


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Re: AltBrowser licensing/documentation

2007-01-12 Thread John Craig

Google's cache may help;

|http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:Kxz5_cCvTZYJ:www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/AltBrowserSub/Documentation.htm+altBrowser+stack&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=8&client=firefox-a|


Michael D. wrote:


Hello
I downloaded these plugins too and its great there available early, 
but of course how to use ? be great to have some documentation. Anyone 
have some direction ?

Michael

- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:23 AM
Subject: Re-2: AltBrowser licensing/documentation



Hi,

i hope its ok, if i post the link where to enter license-key.After 
successfull verify of your license key you are directed to a site, 
where you can download the plugins. Unfortunately there is no 
documentation. So it might be a little difficult to use the plug-ins 
without that.


http://www.runrev.com/offers/plugins.php

Best regards,

Matthias


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Re: revOpenDatabase (GRRRR ....)

2007-01-12 Thread Chris Sheffield

Hi Jean-Pierre,

The Rev docs are incorrect I believe. Someone (I can't recall who, I  
apologize) pointed me in the right direction not too long ago. The  
correct syntax is to put the port number in as the last parameter. So  
your code should look like:


put revOpenDatabase("MySQL","localHost","Anagram",root,root,"8889")

Also, if "root" is your user name and password, it should probably  
also be enclosed in quotes.


Hopefully that'll get you going again.


Chris


On Jan 12, 2007, at 5:54 AM, Jean-Pierre wrote:


Whats wrong with this ?

put revOpenDatabase("MySQL","localHost :8889","Anagram",root,root)

 > unknow MySQL server host "localHost : 8889" (1)

this is the setting of the database manager, and "connected" is true

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Re: Virtual Custom Property Sample - Recursion Limit Problem [solution]

2007-01-12 Thread Bernard Devlin

>>
lock messages
put the expertSettings["fileMenuContents"] of this card -- in the msg
<<

Tres cool, Eric - that worked  :-)  I'm sure that you will find it  
surprising, but I've never had cause to look at "lock messages"  
before, and I probably would never have considered it in this context  
either.


I get a warm and fuzzy feeling when I ask a question on this list and  
get an expert answer back within 30 minutes.  I remember I once spent  
4 weeks and 15 emails trying to get a solution to a trivial support  
issue from IBM.


Many thanks,

Bernard
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Re: AltBrowser licensing/documentation

2007-01-12 Thread Neal Campbell K3NC


I am new to all of this (and the list included) but the files  
download as bundles which are supposed to act like folders on OS X  
(per the Revolution documentation) but my system thinks they are  
excel files (??).


How do I use bundles?

Neal
On Jan 12, 2007, at 8:39 AM, Bill Marriott wrote:

All I can say right now is that Rev's aware of the problem. Not  
sure when

there will be an update.

"Michael D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hello
I downloaded these plugins too and its great there available  
early, but of
course how to use ? be great to have some documentation. Anyone  
have some

direction ?
Michael




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Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 40, Issue 17

2007-01-12 Thread Reinhold Venzl-Schubert

Hi Mark, hi Bernard!

Thanks for your help! It works fine :-)

Reinhold



This works in my code

...
convert vTheSeconds to short system date and abbreviated system time
...

where vTheSeconds is a value in seconds such as 1141690766

Mark




get the seconds
convert it to abbreviated system date
put it

The convert command needs to be given a value (or a container holding
a value) you need to convert.  This also works:

convert value(quote & the seconds & quote)  to abbreviated system date

I've been caught out by convert before doing precisely what you are
trying to do.  This 'feature' of Rev does not seem consistent or
intuitve to me.

Bernard


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Re: Virtual Custom Property Sample - Recursion Limit Problem

2007-01-12 Thread Eric Chatonet

Hi Bernard,

To avoid recursion when using get or setProp, just try to lock messages:

lock messages
put the expertSettings["fileMenuContents"] of this card -- in the msg

In addition, you have to know that running code from the message box  
sometimes leads to weird results:
Always prefer to create on-the-fly a new stack and put your code in a  
brand new button :-)


As for global properties, you are right:
recursion limit will be set to  one million when launching Rev.
If you set it to another value, this new value will be used in all  
open stacks during the current session only.


Hope this helps.

Best Regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet

Le 12 janv. 07 à 15:14, Bernard Devlin a écrit :

I am looking into virtual custom properties (specifically: using  
them to provide default values if a custom property of an object is  
empty or does not exist).  My understanding is that a getProp  
message should percolate up the message path, and when it finds a  
getProp handler it should be able to use whatever value is returned.


This sample from the Dictionary looks like what I am trying to do  
should be reasonable:


>>
 getProp expertSettings[thePropertyName]
-- The thePropertyName parameter contains the name of
-- the property that's being set
switch thePropertyName
case "fileMenuContents"
  if the expertSettings[fileMenuContents] of the target \
 is empty then return "(No items"
  else pass expertSettings
  break
case "editMenuContents"
  if the expertSettings[editMenuContents] of the target \
 is empty then return \
 the noviceSettings[editMenuContents] of the target
  else pass expertSettings
  break
default
  pass expertSettings
end switch
  end expertSettings

<<

It seems to work fine when I put this in the MB:

 get the expertSettings["fileMenuContents"] of this stack

However, if I type this instead:

 get the expertSettings["fileMenuContents"] of this card

Then I get this error:

 Message execution error:
 Error description: recursionLimit: Recursion limit reached

The stack I'm testing this in is a new stack with no controls on it  
(just the default card of any new stack).


Is the documentation wrong, or is it my understanding of it that is  
mistaken?


Bernard

P.S. The recursionLimit is at the default of 40.  Incidentally,  
the TD says this should be 100 by default.  Since it is global  
property, I'm assuming that even if I changed it to 40 in the  
past, it should be resetting itself to 100 on restart.  Is that  
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Virtual Custom Property Sample - Recursion Limit Problem

2007-01-12 Thread Bernard Devlin
I am looking into virtual custom properties (specifically: using them  
to provide default values if a custom property of an object is empty  
or does not exist).  My understanding is that a getProp message  
should percolate up the message path, and when it finds a getProp  
handler it should be able to use whatever value is returned.


This sample from the Dictionary looks like what I am trying to do  
should be reasonable:


>>
 getProp expertSettings[thePropertyName]
-- The thePropertyName parameter contains the name of
-- the property that's being set
switch thePropertyName
case "fileMenuContents"
  if the expertSettings[fileMenuContents] of the target \
 is empty then return "(No items"
  else pass expertSettings
  break
case "editMenuContents"
  if the expertSettings[editMenuContents] of the target \
 is empty then return \
 the noviceSettings[editMenuContents] of the target
  else pass expertSettings
  break
default
  pass expertSettings
end switch
  end expertSettings

<<

It seems to work fine when I put this in the MB:

 get the expertSettings["fileMenuContents"] of this stack

However, if I type this instead:

 get the expertSettings["fileMenuContents"] of this card

Then I get this error:

 Message execution error:
 Error description: recursionLimit: Recursion limit reached

The stack I'm testing this in is a new stack with no controls on it  
(just the default card of any new stack).


Is the documentation wrong, or is it my understanding of it that is  
mistaken?


Bernard

P.S. The recursionLimit is at the default of 40.  Incidentally,  
the TD says this should be 100 by default.  Since it is global  
property, I'm assuming that even if I changed it to 40 in the  
past, it should be resetting itself to 100 on restart.  Is that  
right?


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Re: Any way to use BlueTooth Flic barcode scanner in Rev?

2007-01-12 Thread rgould8
 Scott - - this is great info, thanks!
 
 So it sounds like the only drawback is:
 
 1) A clunky cable interface
 
 I forgot to ask - - - are you doing this on a Mac or Windows platform? Would 
this work with a Mac?
 
 How does the scanner know that the data actually made it into the computer 
before it deletes all it's contents?

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 Subject: Re: Any way to use BlueTooth Flic barcode scanner in Rev?
 
  >> I'm curious to know if the mini sends barcodes to Revolution as if you're
>> using a keyboard

> I'm still trying to get details on how to possibly connect the scanner
> output to Rev

OK, it's pretty basic -- the scanner sends the barcode digits to any region
on the screen that can accept text, which means you can scan a code into a
Rev field that has focus.  As you guessed above, the scanner sends barcodes
in the form of keystrokes (keyDown message).  I tried scanning an iTunes
gift card barcode and it works.

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Re: AltBrowser licensing/documentation

2007-01-12 Thread Bill Marriott
All I can say right now is that Rev's aware of the problem. Not sure when 
there will be an update.

"Michael D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in 
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> Hello
> I downloaded these plugins too and its great there available early, but of 
> course how to use ? be great to have some documentation. Anyone have some 
> direction ?
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Re: revOpenDatabase (GRRRR ....)

2007-01-12 Thread Mark Schonewille

Hi

On my Mac, Localhost is case-sensitive. Try Localhost instead of  
localHost. Also try removing the space. Are you sure that the port  
number is correct? Default is 3306.


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Op 12-jan-2007, om 13:54 heeft Jean-Pierre het volgende geschreven:


Whats wrong with this ?

put revOpenDatabase("MySQL","localHost :8889","Anagram",root,root)

 > unknow MySQL server host "localHost : 8889" (1)

this is the setting of the database manager, and "connected" is true


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revOpenDatabase (GRRRR ....)

2007-01-12 Thread Jean-Pierre

Whats wrong with this ?

put revOpenDatabase("MySQL","localHost :8889","Anagram",root,root)

 > unknow MySQL server host "localHost : 8889" (1)

this is the setting of the database manager, and "connected" is true

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Re: AltBrowser licensing/documentation

2007-01-12 Thread Michael D.

Hello
I downloaded these plugins too and its great there available early, but of 
course how to use ? be great to have some documentation. Anyone have some 
direction ?

Michael

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:23 AM
Subject: Re-2: AltBrowser licensing/documentation



Hi,

i hope its ok, if i post the link where to enter license-key.After 
successfull verify of your license key you are directed to a site, where 
you can download the plugins. Unfortunately there is no documentation. So 
it might be a little difficult to use the plug-ins without that.


http://www.runrev.com/offers/plugins.php

Best regards,

Matthias


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Re: How to convert seconds to date and time?

2007-01-12 Thread Bernard Devlin



get the seconds
convert it to abbreviated system date
put it

The convert command needs to be given a value (or a container holding  
a value) you need to convert.  This also works:


convert value(quote & the seconds & quote)  to abbreviated system date

I've been caught out by convert before doing precisely what you are  
trying to do.  This 'feature' of Rev does not seem consistent or  
intuitve to me.


Bernard
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Re: Re-4: AltBrowser licensing/documentation

2007-01-12 Thread Klaus Major

Hello Matthias,


Hi,
the link was in the email "Kick-start your Year with Revolution". I  
received this email yesterday.


I didn't :-/

The link was in the last paragraph of that email  " and get  
these three externals by going here". Clicking on HERE led me to  
the form, where to enter the license code.


Thanks for the info.


Best regards,

Matthias


Regards and Grüße

Klaus Major
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.major-k.de

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RE: How to convert seconds to date and time?

2007-01-12 Thread Mark Powell
This works in my code

...
convert vTheSeconds to short system date and abbreviated system time 
...

where vTheSeconds is a value in seconds such as 1141690766

Mark

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Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:23 AM
To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Subject: How to convert seconds to date and time?

Hi!

In the documentation I find the way to "convert the date && the time to
seconds"
but I do not find a way to convert the seconds back the date && the
time.

Reinhold

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Re-4: AltBrowser licensing/documentation

2007-01-12 Thread runrev260805
Hi,

the link was in the email "Kick-start your Year with Revolution". I received 
this email yesterday. The link was in the last paragraph of that email  " 
and get these three externals by going here". Clicking on HERE led me to the 
form, where to enter the license code.

Best regards,

Matthias

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Re-2: AltBrowser licensing/documentation (12-Jan-2007 10:32)
From:Klaus Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Hi Matthias,
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > i hope its ok, if i post the link where to enter license-key.After  
> > successfull verify of your license key you are directed to a site,  
> > where you can download the plugins. Unfortunately there is no  
> > documentation. So it might be a little difficult to use the plug- 
> > ins without that.
> >
> > http://www.runrev.com/offers/plugins.php
> 
> thanks a bunch for this link!
> 
> Why did we not get any official announcement about this link??? :-/
> Or are this not the new OFFICIAL REV plugins, they are stil called  
> "altXYZ"?
> 
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Matthias
> 
> Regards
> 
> Klaus Major
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.major-k.de
> 
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How to convert seconds to date and time?

2007-01-12 Thread Reinhold Venzl-Schubert

Hi!

In the documentation I find the way to "convert the date && the time  
to seconds"
but I do not find a way to convert the seconds back the date && the  
time.


Reinhold

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How to convert seconds to date and time?

2007-01-12 Thread Reinhold Venzl-Schubert

Hi!

In the documentation I find the way to "convert the date && the time  
to seconds"
but I do not find a way to convert the seconds back the date && the  
time.


Reinhold
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Re: Re-2: AltBrowser licensing/documentation

2007-01-12 Thread Klaus Major

Hi Matthias,


Hi,

i hope its ok, if i post the link where to enter license-key.After  
successfull verify of your license key you are directed to a site,  
where you can download the plugins. Unfortunately there is no  
documentation. So it might be a little difficult to use the plug- 
ins without that.


http://www.runrev.com/offers/plugins.php


thanks a bunch for this link!

Why did we not get any official announcement about this link??? :-/
Or are this not the new OFFICIAL REV plugins, they are stil called  
"altXYZ"?



Best regards,

Matthias


Regards

Klaus Major
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.major-k.de

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