Re: Appearance of buttons in OS X

2007-01-13 Thread Sarah Reichelt

Yes, and in 2.7.5 beta 1 & 2 this was fixed, but in 2.7.4 it was still
a problem.

Cheers,
Sarah


On 1/14/07, Mark Swindell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Thanks Sarah.  Isn't this something the Standalone builder should do
automatically, though?
Mark

On Jan 13, 2007, at 3:47 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> On 1/14/07, Mark Swindell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> In creating a standalone for OS X, buttons are losing their OS X
>> appearance... shadings and textures.  They are flat 2D outlines, more
>> similar to a Windows look.   I can't see a preference to get these to
>> look right .
>>
>> An earlier build looks perfect, but I don't know what I've changed.
>>
>> Rev Studio 2.7.4 OS X 10.4
>
> The appearance plugins have not been copied into the bundle. Look
> inside the bundle for your actual Revolution app and in the Contents
> folder, you will find a Plugins folder with 4 .bundle files inside it
> (they may look like folders). Copy these bundles to the equivalent
> Plugins folder in your app and all will be well.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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Re: OMG!!!! Steve Jobs is launching the iPhone and it runs MacOS X.

2007-01-13 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Yer a crazy GNUt!!!


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now that there is a 'smaller' version of OS X , I wonder if the releases 
will be named something like: Tabby, Calico, and Persian.  :-)  Or, with 
the new company name change, the new releases could be different varieties 
of apple. I'm looking forward to Granny Smith (aka 11.0.0).


Roger Eller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Visibility Problem

2007-01-13 Thread Charles Szasz

Mark,

I tried both of your suggestions  - setting antialiased to false and  
moving the graphic to top but no success.



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Re: Cron job w/ Rev CGI

2007-01-13 Thread Bill Marriott
Got it working...

The tricks were:

1) path to my script was ./sitename/cgi-bin/script

2) I have to use the full pathname to the engine, e.g.:

#!./sitename/cgi-bin/revolution

at the start of my scripts

The only remaining problem is that the server emails me every time it runs:

Could not open libgdk-x11-2.0.so: libgobject-2.0.so: cannot open shared 
object file: No such file or directory

otherwise the script runs perfectly.

Any ideas how to eliminate/suppress that error message?


"Dave Cragg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in 
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> On 14 Jan 2007, at 00:32, Bill Marriott wrote:
>
>> Well, I have a little Rev CGI script that works exactly the way I  want 
>> it to
>> when I summon it from the address bar using a web browser... I just  want 
>> it
>> to do its thing every 15 minutes now. I don't even know the syntax/ 
>> procedure
>> for that.
>
> There's a good tutorial here.
>
> http://www.linux-tutorial.info/modules.php?name=Tutorial&pageid=78
>
> But basically, you need to enter a line in your crontab something  like 
> the following:
>
> */15   *   *   *   *   /path/to/cgi/script.rev > /dev/null
>
> This will run the script every 15 minutes.
>
> Like Pierre, I like to use Cronnix on OS X. I'm generally nervous  around 
> Linux, but I've used the following procedure before.
>
> 1.  Export the existing crontab to a file. The command would be
>
>crontab -l > /path/to/file.txt
>
> 2.  Edit the file by adding your new entry (similar to the above  example) 
> at the end.
>
> 3.  Re-install the settings:
>
>crontab /path/to/file.txt
>
>
> I suggest reading the tutorial first.
> Be careful! :-)
>
> Dave
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Re: Cron job w/ Rev CGI

2007-01-13 Thread Dave Cragg


On 14 Jan 2007, at 00:32, Bill Marriott wrote:

Well, I have a little Rev CGI script that works exactly the way I  
want it to
when I summon it from the address bar using a web browser... I just  
want it
to do its thing every 15 minutes now. I don't even know the syntax/ 
procedure

for that.


There's a good tutorial here.

http://www.linux-tutorial.info/modules.php?name=Tutorial&pageid=78

But basically, you need to enter a line in your crontab something  
like the following:


*/15   *   *   *   *   /path/to/cgi/script.rev > /dev/null

This will run the script every 15 minutes.

Like Pierre, I like to use Cronnix on OS X. I'm generally nervous  
around Linux, but I've used the following procedure before.


1.  Export the existing crontab to a file. The command would be

   crontab -l > /path/to/file.txt

2.  Edit the file by adding your new entry (similar to the above  
example) at the end.


3.  Re-install the settings:

   crontab /path/to/file.txt


I suggest reading the tutorial first.
Be careful! :-)

Dave

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Re: Appearance of buttons in OS X

2007-01-13 Thread Mark Swindell
Thanks Sarah.  Isn't this something the Standalone builder should do  
automatically, though?

Mark

On Jan 13, 2007, at 3:47 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:


On 1/14/07, Mark Swindell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

In creating a standalone for OS X, buttons are losing their OS X
appearance... shadings and textures.  They are flat 2D outlines, more
similar to a Windows look.   I can't see a preference to get these to
look right .

An earlier build looks perfect, but I don't know what I've changed.

Rev Studio 2.7.4 OS X 10.4


The appearance plugins have not been copied into the bundle. Look
inside the bundle for your actual Revolution app and in the Contents
folder, you will find a Plugins folder with 4 .bundle files inside it
(they may look like folders). Copy these bundles to the equivalent
Plugins folder in your app and all will be well.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: Cron job w/ Rev CGI

2007-01-13 Thread Bill Marriott
Well, I have a little Rev CGI script that works exactly the way I want it to 
when I summon it from the address bar using a web browser... I just want it 
to do its thing every 15 minutes now. I don't even know the syntax/procedure 
for that.

"Pierre Sahores" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bill,

If i had to design, test and debug such a task, i would do it in
using the CronniX freeware under the Mac OS X platform before
installing the end result under Linux...

Best Regards,

PS: little bug report : When lauching Rev 2.1.2 under the Solaris 10
Sun 5.10 x86 platform (last version available for this OS/platform),
there is no tool coming up to screen (wheel, watch, or so) to let us
know that the launching process is starting : we have to wait until
the Rev copyright windows pop up to be sure that rev is clearly
starting...

Le 13 janv. 07 à 23:32, Bill Marriott a écrit :

> Does anyone know how to run a cron job with Rev CGI for Linux? I  would 
> like
> to set up a script to execute every 15 minutes.
> 



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Re: Visibility Problem

2007-01-13 Thread Chipp Walters

Couple of thoughts. Try asking explicitly if the grc are visible..iow don't
take the App browser's word for it. It sometimes has a difficult time
updating.

try in the message box:
put the visible of grc "myGrc"

also, to make sure you have only one grc with the name you're looking for.
So try:

repeat with x=1 to the number of grcs on this cd
  if the short name of grc x is "theOneToLookFor" then add 1 to tFoundCount
end repeat
answer tFoundCount
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Re: export in v2.7?

2007-01-13 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> I have a vague recollection somewhere that v2.7's new buffer management
> has altered this to allow exporting portions of a specified window
> without regard for anything overlapping it.
> 
> Am I dreaming?  If not, what is the syntax to make this happen?

If I understand your question, one way is to reference the card of the
target stack:

  export snapshot from rect (rect of btn 1 of stack myStack)
 of cd 1 of stack myStack to url ("binfile:" & tPath) as PNG

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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export in v2.7?

2007-01-13 Thread Richard Gaskin
In the olden days the export command worked only on the screen buffer, 
which meant that you couldn't export anything that was offscreen, and 
anything overlapping the window you wanted to export from was included 
in the exported image.


I have a vague recollection somewhere that v2.7's new buffer management 
has altered this to allow exporting portions of a specified window 
without regard for anything overlapping it.


Am I dreaming?  If not, what is the syntax to make this happen?

--
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 Fourth World Media Corporation
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Re: Appearance of buttons in OS X

2007-01-13 Thread Sarah Reichelt

On 1/14/07, Mark Swindell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

In creating a standalone for OS X, buttons are losing their OS X
appearance... shadings and textures.  They are flat 2D outlines, more
similar to a Windows look.   I can't see a preference to get these to
look right .

An earlier build looks perfect, but I don't know what I've changed.

Rev Studio 2.7.4 OS X 10.4


The appearance plugins have not been copied into the bundle. Look
inside the bundle for your actual Revolution app and in the Contents
folder, you will find a Plugins folder with 4 .bundle files inside it
(they may look like folders). Copy these bundles to the equivalent
Plugins folder in your app and all will be well.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: Cron job w/ Rev CGI

2007-01-13 Thread Pierre Sahores

Bill,

If i had to design, test and debug such a task, i would do it in  
using the CronniX freeware under the Mac OS X platform before  
installing the end result under Linux...


Best Regards,

PS: little bug report : When lauching Rev 2.1.2 under the Solaris 10  
Sun 5.10 x86 platform (last version available for this OS/platform),  
there is no tool coming up to screen (wheel, watch, or so) to let us  
know that the launching process is starting : we have to wait until  
the Rev copyright windows pop up to be sure that rev is clearly  
starting...


Le 13 janv. 07 à 23:32, Bill Marriott a écrit :

Does anyone know how to run a cron job with Rev CGI for Linux? I  
would like

to set up a script to execute every 15 minutes.



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Appearance of buttons in OS X

2007-01-13 Thread Mark Swindell
In creating a standalone for OS X, buttons are losing their OS X  
appearance... shadings and textures.  They are flat 2D outlines, more  
similar to a Windows look.   I can't see a preference to get these to  
look right .


An earlier build looks perfect, but I don't know what I've changed.

Rev Studio 2.7.4 OS X 10.4

Thanks
Mark

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Cron job w/ Rev CGI

2007-01-13 Thread Bill Marriott
Does anyone know how to run a cron job with Rev CGI for Linux? I would like 
to set up a script to execute every 15 minutes. 



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Re: Visibility Problem

2007-01-13 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins

Charles,

How about the layer in which the graph is drawn? Any chance it is  
behind something else?


Joe Wilkins

On Jan 13, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Charles Szasz wrote:

I am using Klaus Major's excellent script to create four graphs  
based on data entered by the user. With the help of Klaus, I have  
the graphs working. However, I have encountered a problem with the  
visible property of two graphics used in the fourth graph. Although  
the Inspector shows that he visible of the graphics is visible (the  
check box is checked), they are not visible in the project. I  
checked the colors and they are set to blue and red respectively. I  
also checked the Application Browser for the card where the  
graphics for the fourth graph is located and it also indicates that  
it should be visible. When I checked in the Menu Show Invisible  
Objects it still is not visible! I tried the Message Box to see  
what was going on. When I entered the command: Show graphic "g9"  
and press return, it does not show the graphic.


And finally one additional information. The graphs are scripted to  
show up when data has been entered and a checkbox is checked to  
show each graph. Each graph has two graphics. The check box works  
beautifully for the first three graphs but it does not work for the  
fourth graph. If the check box for the third graph is checked and  
the check box for the fourth graph is also checked, then both  
graphs will show. And here is something that is truly weird, if the  
check box for the three graph is NOT checked so it doesn't show the  
third graph, the fourth graph will not be presented despite the  
checkbox being checked!  I have checked the scripts and the  
properties of the graphing code for both graphs 3 and 4 and could  
find a link to why this is happening. I could not find any script  
that had typos or the same variable names either.


I have been working on this problem for three days! I welcome any  
comments or suggestions!! I am using Rev Studio v 2.7.4





Charles Szasz
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Testing . . .

2007-01-13 Thread Marty Knapp

Testing 1223

I haven't been getting anything from the user list for a while - I have 
emailed Runrev a couple of times with no response . . .



Marty Knapp
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Re: Visibility Problem

2007-01-13 Thread Roger . E . Eller
> I tried the Message Box to see what was going on. 
> When I entered the command: Show graphic "g9" and press return, it 
> does not show the graphic.

Sometimes, when referencing objects by name, I see this behavior when 
there are (accidentally created) duplicates with the same name. Try using 
the id, or delete the object to see if there is a duplicate.

Roger Eller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Visibility Problem

2007-01-13 Thread Charles Szasz
I am using Klaus Major's excellent script to create four graphs based  
on data entered by the user. With the help of Klaus, I have the  
graphs working. However, I have encountered a problem with the  
visible property of two graphics used in the fourth graph. Although  
the Inspector shows that he visible of the graphics is visible (the  
check box is checked), they are not visible in the project. I checked  
the colors and they are set to blue and red respectively. I also  
checked the Application Browser for the card where the graphics for  
the fourth graph is located and it also indicates that it should be  
visible. When I checked in the Menu Show Invisible Objects it still  
is not visible! I tried the Message Box to see what was going on.  
When I entered the command: Show graphic "g9" and press return, it  
does not show the graphic.


And finally one additional information. The graphs are scripted to  
show up when data has been entered and a checkbox is checked to show  
each graph. Each graph has two graphics. The check box works  
beautifully for the first three graphs but it does not work for the  
fourth graph. If the check box for the third graph is checked and the  
check box for the fourth graph is also checked, then both graphs will  
show. And here is something that is truly weird, if the check box for  
the three graph is NOT checked so it doesn't show the third graph,  
the fourth graph will not be presented despite the checkbox being  
checked!  I have checked the scripts and the properties of the  
graphing code for both graphs 3 and 4 and could find a link to why  
this is happening. I could not find any script that had typos or the  
same variable names either.


I have been working on this problem for three days! I welcome any  
comments or suggestions!! I am using Rev Studio v 2.7.4





Charles Szasz
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Re: Force interrupt

2007-01-13 Thread Jim Ault
On 1/13/07 6:10 AM, "Richard Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I believe you gave me the clues I needed. It looks like the way we
> used the Send command in a few places was the problem.
> 
> Thanks!
> Richard
> 
Glad that you found the culprit.  The asynchronous bugs are the most
difficult to trace.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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Re: Properties not locking in

2007-01-13 Thread Mark Smith
You could simply put a fixed wait in, say 10 or 20 millisecs (not  
enough fro the user to notice, but enough for the player to sort  
itself out, you'll have to experiment to see what works well), or do  
a send in time that keeps going until the player is ready:



on checkPlayer
wait 10 millisecs
if the formattedWidth of player "Output" > 0 then
  doFormatting
else
  send "checkPlayer" to me in 10 millisecs
end if
end checkPlayer

Best,

Mark

On 13 Jan 2007, at 14:49, Brad Sampson wrote:


On a project I'm currently working on, I have a script that sets the
fileName of a player, then runs some script that resizes the player
for optimal quality.  However, the formattedHeight and formattedWidth
of the player don't appear to be "locked in" when it trys to set them.
They both appear as 0 for a very short time directly after setting
the fileName.  This is a problem, because it trys to resize my player
to 0x0 pixels, which reverts back to 1x1.  Is there any way to fix
this problem?  I tried wait (until the formattedWidth of player
"Output")>0, but it just freezes up my stack and you can't
apple+period out of it.
Thanks!
Brad
CMSEC
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Re: Visible Problems

2007-01-13 Thread Mark Smith
Could it be that something is in front of the graphics (a background  
graphic or field, maybe)? If so, setting the layer of the graphics to  
"top" should do it.


One other thought is that in very dense line graphics, if the  
antialiased of them is set to true, they can sometimes antialias  
themselves into invisibility, so you could try setting the  
antialiased of them to false.


Best,

Mark

On 13 Jan 2007, at 18:36, Charles Szasz wrote:

I am using Klaus Major's excellent script to create four graphs  
based on data entered by the user. With the help of Klaus, I have  
the graphs working. However, I have encountered a problem with the  
visible property of two graphics used in the fourth graph. Although  
the Inspector shows that he visible of the graphics is visible (the  
check box is checked), they are not visible in the project. I  
checked the colors and they are set to blue and red respectively. I  
also checked the Application Browser for the card where the  
graphics for the fourth graph is located and it also indicates that  
it should be visible. When I checked in the Menu Show Invisible  
Objects it still is not visible! I tried the Message Box to see  
what was going on. When I entered the command: Show graphic "g9"  
and press return, it does not show the graphic.


And finally one additional information. The graphs are scripted to  
show up when data has been entered and a checkbox is checked to  
show each graph. Each graph has two graphics. The check box works  
beautifully for the first three graphs but it does not work for the  
fourth graph. If the check box for the third graph is checked and  
the check box for the fourth graph is also checked, then both  
graphs will show. And here is something that is truly weird, if the  
check box for the three graph is NOT checked so it doesn't show the  
third graph, the fourth graph will not be presented despite the  
checkbox being checked!  I have checked the scripts and the  
properties of the graphing code for both graphs 3 and 4 and could  
find a link to why this is happening. I could not find any script  
that had typos or the same variable names either.


I have been working on this problem for three days! I welcome any  
comments or suggestions!! I am using Rev Studio v 2.7.4



Charles Szasz
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Re: Some thoughts on testings...

2007-01-13 Thread J. Landman Gay

Andrew Meit wrote:
I recently had been forced to move all my files to my ibook and make it 
my main computer while I figure out what to do with my old iMac G4 LCD 
dying...while doing so, I came across a file I saved and thought it 
important to post on the list in light of the open beta of 2.7.5...read 
slowly:


This post was just excellent, thanks for passing it on. I couldn't agree 
more with the points the author makes. In almost every professional job 
I've done, the client says they will test the software themselves. This 
is usually disasterous. No one seems to recognize that the testing 
process should take as long as the development process and should be an 
integral part of the budget and schedule. Few realize the kind of talent 
and precision that goes into professional software testing.


I am lucky enough to have a wonderful professional QA person who works 
with me when the client's budget allows it. I understand the author's 
comments about "hurting the developer's feelings" -- I always knew when 
my tester was at work because my mailbox would fill up with bug reports. 
My response was always a love/hate thing. I loved that he was so good at 
what he does and that he was finding flaws, because in the long run it 
would make my work much better. But I also hated that he was finding 
flaws because it meant more work for me. Every time I'd see another 20 
reports in my mailbox my heart would sink. And then I'd have to go fix 
things again.


But he's a great guy, and we're both pros, and we are able to easily 
separate critique from criticism. As a result, my last project was one 
of the best of my career. Note that this client originally told me he'd 
test it himself. He found three or four bugs over a couple of weeks. I 
insisted that we needed a professional QA engineer. Once my QA guy got 
his hands on it, he found 165 bugs.


The client was astounded -- and grateful. There is a skill and talent 
involved in software testing, and not everyone has what it takes to do 
it well. The developer certainly doesn't, and the client rarely does 
either. A qualified, professional QA person is pure gold, and if you 
find a good one you should do whatever it takes to hang on to them.


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Re: Properties not locking in

2007-01-13 Thread J. Landman Gay

Brad Sampson wrote:

On a project I'm currently working on, I have a script that sets the
fileName of a player, then runs some script that resizes the player
for optimal quality.  However, the formattedHeight and formattedWidth
of the player don't appear to be "locked in" when it trys to set them.
They both appear as 0 for a very short time directly after setting
the fileName.  This is a problem, because it trys to resize my player
to 0x0 pixels, which reverts back to 1x1.  Is there any way to fix
this problem?  I tried wait (until the formattedWidth of player
"Output")>0, but it just freezes up my stack and you can't
apple+period out of it.


It seems that sometimes properties are not recognized until the player 
actually does something with the movie. You could try starting the movie 
and playing only the first frame or the first few milliseconds, then 
stopping it. Anything that forces the player to do something with the 
movie data may work to jolt the player into recognizing the size properties.


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Visible Problems

2007-01-13 Thread Charles Szasz
I am using Klaus Major's excellent script to create four graphs based  
on data entered by the user. With the help of Klaus, I have the  
graphs working. However, I have encountered a problem with the  
visible property of two graphics used in the fourth graph. Although  
the Inspector shows that he visible of the graphics is visible (the  
check box is checked), they are not visible in the project. I checked  
the colors and they are set to blue and red respectively. I also  
checked the Application Browser for the card where the graphics for  
the fourth graph is located and it also indicates that it should be  
visible. When I checked in the Menu Show Invisible Objects it still  
is not visible! I tried the Message Box to see what was going on.  
When I entered the command: Show graphic "g9" and press return, it  
does not show the graphic.


And finally one additional information. The graphs are scripted to  
show up when data has been entered and a checkbox is checked to show  
each graph. Each graph has two graphics. The check box works  
beautifully for the first three graphs but it does not work for the  
fourth graph. If the check box for the third graph is checked and the  
check box for the fourth graph is also checked, then both graphs will  
show. And here is something that is truly weird, if the check box for  
the three graph is NOT checked so it doesn't show the third graph,  
the fourth graph will not be presented despite the checkbox being  
checked!  I have checked the scripts and the properties of the  
graphing code for both graphs 3 and 4 and could find a link to why  
this is happening. I could not find any script that had typos or the  
same variable names either.


I have been working on this problem for three days! I welcome any  
comments or suggestions!! I am using Rev Studio v 2.7.4



Charles Szasz
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Need to hide the Acrobat tools via scripting in AltBrowser on PC

2007-01-13 Thread Roger . E . Eller
I am using altBrowser on a PC in Win2k & XP. Is it possible to instruct 
altBrowser to display the PDF alone, without the tools that are invoked by 
the Adobe Reader plugin?

Roger Eller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Re: Properties not locking in

2007-01-13 Thread sims

On Jan 13, 2007, at 6:49 AM, Brad Sampson wrote:


On a project I'm currently working on, I have a script that sets the
fileName of a player, then runs some script that resizes the player
for optimal quality.  However, the formattedHeight and formattedWidth
of the player don't appear to be "locked in" when it trys to set them.
They both appear as 0 for a very short time directly after setting
the fileName.  This is a problem, because it trys to resize my player
to 0x0 pixels, which reverts back to 1x1.  Is there any way to fix
this problem?  I tried wait (until the formattedWidth of player
"Output")>0, but it just freezes up my stack and you can't
apple+period out of it.
Thanks!
Brad
CMSEC



Maybe fiddling with the alwaysBuffer might help?

sims
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Re: Properties not locking in

2007-01-13 Thread Mark Swindell

Would a simple lock/unlock screen solution work?

Mark

On Jan 13, 2007, at 6:49 AM, Brad Sampson wrote:


On a project I'm currently working on, I have a script that sets the
fileName of a player, then runs some script that resizes the player
for optimal quality.  However, the formattedHeight and formattedWidth
of the player don't appear to be "locked in" when it trys to set them.
They both appear as 0 for a very short time directly after setting
the fileName.  This is a problem, because it trys to resize my player
to 0x0 pixels, which reverts back to 1x1.  Is there any way to fix
this problem?  I tried wait (until the formattedWidth of player
"Output")>0, but it just freezes up my stack and you can't
apple+period out of it.
Thanks!
Brad
CMSEC
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Some thoughts on testings...

2007-01-13 Thread Andrew Meit
I recently had been forced to move all my files to my ibook and make  
it my main computer while I figure out what to do with my old iMac G4  
LCD dying...while doing so, I came across a file I saved and thought  
it important to post on the list in light of the open beta of  
2.7.5...read slowly:


Subject: Should Testers Be Allowed to Do Their Job?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward V. Berard)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 1995 07:35:23 -0400

Should testers be allowed to do their job? Before I can answer that,  
I need to define a few terms:


- To slightly paraphrase Glen Myers (author of "The Art of Software  
Testing"), testing is the process of examining some material with the  
intention (or goal) of finding errors. The "material" can include the  
material produced during the development part of the software life- 
cycle (e.g., the products of the analysis, design, and coding  
efforts), and the specifications for the test cases themselves.


- Testing is a comparison process. Specifically, it compares one set  
of material (e.g., object code) with some correspondingly related  
material (e.g., the specification for that object code). Symptoms of  
errors are detected when what is expressed in one set of material  
does not agree with what is expressed in its corresponding material.  
(It is not the job of the tester to find the exact source of the  
error. That is the job of the creator (developer) of the material.)


- To be considered minimally adequate, the testing effort would have  
to detect the symptoms of all critical errors, and the symptoms of  
most, if not all, of the symptoms of all other errors.


I propose that the job of the tester is to do at least minimally  
adequate testing, as defined above.


Consider the following (unfortunately true) story. A few years ago, I  
was teaching a testing course at a firm that made implantable medical  
devices, e.g., pacemakers. Modern pacemakers not only contain  
software, but they are also programmed, monitored, and adjusted by  
systems that contain software. The people in the class were charged  
with testing the software associated with pacemaker systems.


- During the class, the students were required to specify test cases  
for software. Part of any test case is the purpose for that test  
case. One of the students insisted that "the purpose of test case xyz  
is to _prove_ _that_ _some_ _particular_ _function_ _is_  
_accomplished_." When I informed this person that, while this may  
have been the goal of the developer of the software, the goal of the  
tester was exactly the opposite.


- Later, in the same class, one of the testers noted that developers  
"felt bad" when they were informed of errors in the software products  
for which the developers were responsible. The tester said that she  
felt it was part of her job to provide some encouragement to the  
developers. Other testers admitted that they were often uncomfortable  
with being "the bearers of bad bad news" (i.e., reports of errors).


I was astonished. Was the ego of the developers more important than  
the health of the patients using the implanted medical devices? Were  
testers also required to be "psychological counselors" for the  
developers? Were both the testers and the developers aware of the  
negative impact on testing created by the reluctance of the testers  
to "make the developers feel bad?"


Should testers be allowed to do their job? Based on my experience  
over the past 15 years, the answer to that question in most shops is"  
"up to a point."


- Managers, developers, and testers often cannot distinguish between  
a _social_ situation and a _business_ situation. In a _social_  
context, I would agree that people must seriously consider whether it  
is worthwhile to point out "problems." Specifically, one must weigh  
the feelings of the individuals involved against any "improvements"  
that might result from bringing a problem to light. In a business  
situation the rules change. The parties to a business arrangement are  
supposed to be aware of the terms and conditions of the business  
arrangement, and are required to act accordingly.


One should _expect_ testers to find symptoms of errors. That is their  
job. Further, testers that routinely do not uncover symptoms of  
serious errors are not performing their jobs successfully.


When a tester informs a developer of the symptoms of the errors he or  
she has uncovered, the tester is _not_ making a statement about the  
basic goodness or badness of the developer as a human being. The  
tester _is_ making a statement about some material for which the  
developer is responsible.


- The time, staff, and other resources that are allocated to  
developers are often woefully inadequate. However, the time, staff,  
and resources that are allocated to the testing effort are, by in  
large, a joke. In all my years of training and consulting, I have run  
across fewer than 3 organizations that had anything even appro

Properties not locking in

2007-01-13 Thread Brad Sampson

On a project I'm currently working on, I have a script that sets the
fileName of a player, then runs some script that resizes the player
for optimal quality.  However, the formattedHeight and formattedWidth
of the player don't appear to be "locked in" when it trys to set them.
They both appear as 0 for a very short time directly after setting
the fileName.  This is a problem, because it trys to resize my player
to 0x0 pixels, which reverts back to 1x1.  Is there any way to fix
this problem?  I tried wait (until the formattedWidth of player
"Output")>0, but it just freezes up my stack and you can't
apple+period out of it.
Thanks!
Brad
CMSEC
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Re: Force interrupt

2007-01-13 Thread Richard Miller

Jim,

I believe you gave me the clues I needed. It looks like the way we  
used the Send command in a few places was the problem.


Thanks!
Richard



On Jan 12, 2007, at 4:13 PM, Jim Ault wrote:


On 1/12/07 11:17 AM, "Richard Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I wish it was a repeat loop, but if it was, it would certainly occur
on all the computers we're testing on... or at least regularly on the
same computer. This problem does not. It never occurs on half the
computers and only occurs sometimes on some of them in the exact same
spot. In other words, moving from a given card to another card will
sometimes trigger the problem, and other times it won't. I can't see
how that you be a problem with a repeat loop.


Ahh, that is a bit trickier.
The way it might be a repeat loop is that 'on opencard or closecard  
handlers
will contain a repeat loop or trigger one.  Another possibility is  
that
there is a 'send' that has a pending message which depends on the  
current

card will trigger and the new card is missing some required info.

If this is not the case, then it could be something about the  
operating
system or path names on the hard drive.  One example would be  
reading a file
into a variable, and if the path or file name was incorrect, the  
variable

would be empty and the program expects something to be there.
--eg.
put lineoffset(the short id of this card, idListOfLinkedCards) into  
pos

--where pos is 0 and you are expecting a positive integer

Perhaps you could install a 'on closecard' handler in the back and  
trap for
the particular condition in the 'exact spot', such as 'if the id of  
this

card is 2343 then breakpoint'.

What you are experiencing is my least favorite bug to track down.

The technique I resort to is writing a log file to produce an audit  
trail,
especially in my networking software that operates on different  
computers

and runs asynchronously.  Very difficult to isolate the bugs.
--example ---
put tab into t
put the short date into dateStr
replace "/" with empty in dateStr
get dateStr & t & the short time
get it & t &  var1 & t & var2 & t & var3 & t & the short id of this  
card

put (it & cr) after url ("file:"& dateStr&"logOut.txt")

--now if the force quit is necessary, the log file will have the last
successful handler call as the last line of the logOut file.  The  
tabs are

so that Excel can be used to open the file for analysis.

Be careful of very large logOut file sizes of > 2 Mb.  Slower  
performance
issues, but not crashing. I have had 34 Mb log files by accident  
and only

saw slow perfomance.

Hope this helps

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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Re: BUG: importing image files crash rev 2.7.5

2007-01-13 Thread Mark Schonewille

Hi Andre,

Whenever I imported an image with transparency, either PNG or GIF,  
Rev 2.7.5 beta 1 crashed (this version should equal 2.7.5-dp-2).  
Images without transparency would sometimes import correctly and  
sometimes not.


Best,

Mark

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Op 10-jan-2007, om 16:56 heeft Andre Garzia het volgende geschreven:

I am afraid of my 2.7.5-dp-1, I think it mutated into something to  
avoid expiration... what is lurking in the dark corners of the  
message path, I do not know!!! anyway, it is running here and it  
doesn't like importing images... can anyone confirm that 2.7.5-dp-1  
will not import images?


Bill or RunRev team, am I doing something wrong running 2.7.5-dp-1?  
is it illegal somehow? It did not expired for me, I've updated  
during RevCon Malta after the team asked for our impressions...


Andre



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[ANN] Scripter's Scrapbook 5.28 Update

2007-01-13 Thread FlexibleLearning
www.FlexibleLearning.com/ssbk 
or www.ssBk.co.uk


UPDATE  AVAILABLE
Thanks to feedback, an incremental update has been uploaded and is  now 
available that fixes some recent bugs and improves the 'interface  experience'.

5.28
Update released 13-JAN-2007
- Interface: The hyperlink  cursor now displays on standAlones.
- Interface: The Home screen File menu is  now active on Mac OSX.
- Interface: The first Find match on a different Entry  is now 'boxed' as 
expected.
- Adjustment: All export files now default to a  date and time stamped file 
name.
- Bugfix: The Import window no longer throws  a spurious error when closing.
- Bugfix: The User Support now prints without  overtyped text.

NEXT STEP
- Registered and Trial users should update  through the Help menu or in the 
Preferences.

- New users and those  interested in reviewing the changes since an earlier 
trial may obtain a free  30-day starter-kit at www.FlexibleLearning.com/ssbk. 
You will be asked if you  wish to obtain the most recent version, and it will 
automatically download this  update for you

- Full size screen shots for both Mac OSX and Windows XP  are at 
www.FlexibleLearning.com/ssbk/preview including useful mouse shortcuts  
illustrations.


FEEDBACK
Finally, if you have a moment to suggest  improvements or request additional 
features we would very much appreciate your  feedback at 
www.flexiblelearning.com/ssbkFeedback.htm


Hugh  Senior
FLCo
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