Re: Writing messages to the Command Line (stdout)

[Mark Wieder]

Derek-

Thursday, February 15, 2007, 9:03:10 AM, you wrote:

> The target operating system for this type of behavior is Windows, and I
> would like to be able to handle all flavors of Windows (95,98,XP,Vista,
> etc.).  Does anyone have any guidance on how I write to the shell/console?

Here's how I do this for a single commandline argument:

on preOpenStack
  local tCommandLine
  -- handle command line arguments here
  put word 1 to -1 of lower($1) into tCommandLine

  switch char 2 of tCommandLine

case "t"
  hide this stack
  OpenStack -- do the t task
  write field "txtTasks" to stdout
  quit
  break

default
  -- unhandled option
  if tCommandLine is not empty then
write "$1=" & tCommandLine & "." to stdout
  end if
  break
  end switch
end preOpenStack
  
-- 
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Re: IPv6

[Stephen Barncard]

I just looked at a brief description at http://www.ipv6.org/ and it 
looks like they're going to provide backward compatibility during a 
transition period.


"Pv6 fixes a number of problems in IPv4, such as the limited number 
of available IPv4 addresses. It also adds many improvements to IPv4 
in areas such as routing and network autoconfiguration. IPv6 is 
expected to gradually replace IPv4, with the two coexisting for a 
number of years during a transition period."




I don't think the transition to IPv6 will hinder your efforts using 
Rev. Mac OS already has support. Windows has some 
add-ons.


 IMHO, Unless you have a lot of IPs locally on legacy machines most 
IPv6 compatibility can be handled by routers.




Hello.

Does anyone has any experience with using Revolution and IPv6? The 
school I'm working at has offered to provide my organization with 
it's own range of IPv6, and since we use Revolution very extensively 
over the network, we would definitely need compatibility.


Thanks,
Brent Anderson
Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center


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IPv6

[Brent Anderson]

Hello.

Does anyone has any experience with using Revolution and IPv6? The  
school I'm working at has offered to provide my organization with  
it's own range of IPv6, and since we use Revolution very extensively  
over the network, we would definitely need compatibility.


Thanks,
Brent Anderson
Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center
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Re: Copying files

[Stephen Barncard]

Not only that, but there's a 'stigma' attached to 'scripting' 
languages by some as opposed to so-called 'real' development 
environments.


And then there are those of us who might want to keep the Rev part to 
ourselves, and let people judge it by how it works.


So there are many apps out there you might never know were done in 
Rev unless you look really closely.


Oh, by the way, Joe, a great example of what you can do in Rev is 
 the REV IDE100% transcript... er... Revolution... (can't get 
used to that.)


Another great example is .. Galaxy.

Look at the commercial apps that Chipp and Richard are selling.

Richard's WEBMERGE
http://www.fourthworld.com/

Chipp's Hemmingway, Buttongadget, Magic Carpet and others
http://www.altuit.com/webs/hemingway/Products/AltuitProducts.htm

look at .com solutions
http://www.cgiscripter.net/


web sites.  There are also some things -- possibly the most 
professional ones -- you'll never find out about, as the developers 
are under NDA. I have had several large projects I can't talk about 
and I know many others here are in the same boat.


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Re: An effective way to Localize my Revolution Projects for Multiple Languages

[Joel Guillod]

- Property profiles are nice, but it means that I have to store all  
of the language data for each object within a profile, making it  
harder to make changes to the text.


Many replies but none commenting about profiles.

As the gandfather of Richard used to say, "When a designer is faced  
with two equally compelling options, find a way to do both." So you  
could also make a tool which assists in building different language  
profiles from a central text translations repository. The steps in  
development would be: (1) extracts the relevant text from button  
label, fields, etc. and store them in the repository; (2) translate  
the texts in the needed languages; (3) before building your  
standalone the tool will navigate through all the objects of your  
stacks to automatically update the appropriate controls properties  
(button label, text of shared field...); (4) optionally when building  
a standalone you can choose to discard some profiles; (5) in your  
standalone some language script library will just have to set the  
revProfile or call the revSetStackFileProfile / revSetCardProfile /  
revSetStackProfile commands when user change the language preference.


I didn't remember of much use of the Profiles apart the RunRev  
tutorial on Profiles (precisely illustrated by languages  
customisation) and I would be interesting to have developers  
explanations on their use of profiles, not only for languages but for  
platform specifics (Windows, Linux, OSX), or any other ideas...


Thanks!

Joel


OT follows, just for fun!

As for the dialogs I simply change the LABEL of the buttons in the  
dialogs so "Cancel"

stays "cancel" "OK" stays "OK" etc... in every language.


;o) NO! "cancel" does not stays "cancel" in every language:  
"annuler", "abbrechen", ... ! OKay?


;o( Does anyone know what ok is the abbreviation of? I heard an  
explanation that in the old time an american sherif which  
motherlanguage was french wrote "OK" on official documents. When  
someone asked him what this means he replied: "oll korrect"...

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Re: Rev Resources

[Joe Lewis Wilkins]

Marielle et al,

If nothing else, I'm flushing out a lot of info. It is obvious that  
you have spent a great deal of time on these "approaches". I, also,  
have to make a living and do all of this stuff in my "spare" time;  
but I'm hoping to eventually know enough that I can shorten the time  
I spend making a living by doing it more efficiently.


I just used the multiline msg box this past week to do some fairly  
complicated calculations that I might have, ordinarily, tried to do  
with a hand calculator. Not the kind of thing I have to do very  
often, so I've not written any tools that can be used to do them. I  
made a number of mistakes and ended up having to redo everything  
several times before I obtained the answers I wanted. Without the msg  
box this could have been a nightmare. I even uncovered one or two  
"bugs" in the msg box that required a workaround. This whole process  
will be grist for a future article on Macinstruct.com.


Again, thanks, Jacque too. I'm not thinking about all of the  
scripting solutions that have been addressed so much as the types of  
"things"; at least at the outset. Collating the scripting solutions  
can come much later. Even providing key words for which to search in  
the attempt to solve some challenge might be a big help. How many  
times have one of you gone off on a wild goose chase only to find  
that it would have been very simple if you had only been looking for  
the correct phrase or word.


Joe Wilkins


On Feb 17, 2007, at 1:28 PM, Marielle Lange wrote:

Marielle has been trying to the compilation for quite awhile, but  
some of
the issues are that it takes a lot of work to get things  
collected, edited
for clarity and instruction purposes, then indexed so new users  
can find

them.


Thanks for the mention, Jim. Various things.


Maybe you should give building a compilation a shot from a new user
perspective?


(1) That's what I tried to do in my first approach to compiling  
useful resources. I put a list of all the resources i know about here:



In particular, to answer Jo's question, a list of tutorials of  
particular relevance to beginner users:



I pasted some more links useful to the beginner scripter on the  
forum "Getting Started with Revolution Studio or Enterprise":



 One issue is that advanced work is complicated and requires  
experience, but
what constitutes advanced work/concepts  that new users are not  
ready for?


(2) This is a question difficult to answer. I gave it a try with my  
second approach. I created a collection of snippet and codes that I  
tried to tag for different categories. One of these categories was  
"1 novice coder 2 beginner coder 3 intermediate coder 4 advanced  
coder 5 expert coder". However I find it difficult to apply these  
tags and not all snippets are tagged for that category.



The problem with the codes CMS is that it takes an awful lot of  
time to cut and paste snippets from the list to the CMS.


(3) The new approach is to create a system by which I can run  
linguistic analyses of the content of all mailing lists and forums  
and then tag each node for critical words contained into that email  
as well as additional nodes like the categories above. I got a  
first draft of this work which gave me satisfaction. But I will  
need up to two weeks of work to get something members of the  
community can use. There is then problem that I am a freelance.  
Giving to the community has to come after earning a living. I do  
that when at periods between freelance work. I didn't have much of  
these for the last months. I can't tell you when I will have time  
to finish this.


Marielle

Marielle Lange (PhD),  http://widged.com
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Re: Copying files

[J. Landman Gay]

Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

Thanks, Steven,

Jacque had directed me to this site some time back. I'm sure it resolves 
a lot of issues, but I'm looking for something that is a composite of 
everything that has been accomplished using Revolution. Asking too much, 
probably. But if it doesn't exist, it should and this might be the time 
to start.


That's sort of like asking for a composite of everything that has been 
accomplished using C++. I don't think it's possible.


You might get some ideas though by scanning through the stacks on 
RevOnline. These examples aren't always the most polished but they do 
show what is possible. Other than that, stack collections are mostly 
located on individual web sites.  There are also some things -- possibly 
the most professional ones -- you'll never find out about, as the 
developers are under NDA. I have had several large projects I can't talk 
about and I know many others here are in the same boat.


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Re: UI design article

[Marielle Lange]

Mark,

Thanks for the link. I had posted something relevant to this on the  
forums a while ago:




To avoid the discomfort of having to switch to the forums, I paste  
the transcription below.


Best,
Marielle



Flow in Application Design


This is a technique that is presented as useful for designing web  
2.0 applications.


Well, the fuss about web 2.0 is that it allows you to design highly  
responsive web applications, with some elements within a page that  
can be refreshed independently from the other elements within the  
page.


The thing is that these features have always characterized the type  
of applications you can produce with desktop development  
environments like Revolution, RealBasic, etc.


So, any technique that is presented as improving the quality of web  
2.0 application has the potential to improve the design and quality  
of revolution applications.


Flow Diagramming is one of them.

What is it? This is about encouraging you to think in terms of  
flow: How the information changes, how responsive it is, how  
feedback is given to the user about the changes that are taking place


A good resource on this is:

Flow In Web Design (short explanation with links to other resources)




Flow in Web Design (pdf, 37 pages)



The difficulty then is about finding ways to represent how the  
information within the application changes as a consequence of user  
actions or script running.


For this purpose, the visual vocabulary proposed by Jesse Garrett  
(yep, the guy who published the paper that made Ajax popular)


A visual vocabulary for describing information architecture and  
interaction design, , along with a  
Quick Reference 


With practical examples of how this vocabulary can be used to  
represent the internal flow within an application:


Slate 


Yahoo email (for some unknown reason doesn't render well in my  
browser when I doubled checked the link)







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Re: Rev Resources

[Marielle Lange]

Marielle has been trying to the compilation for quite awhile, but  
some of
the issues are that it takes a lot of work to get things  
collected, edited
for clarity and instruction purposes, then indexed so new users  
can find

them.


Thanks for the mention, Jim. Various things.


Maybe you should give building a compilation a shot from a new user
perspective?


(1) That's what I tried to do in my first approach to compiling  
useful resources. I put a list of all the resources i know about here:



In particular, to answer Jo's question, a list of tutorials of  
particular relevance to beginner users:



I pasted some more links useful to the beginner scripter on the forum  
"Getting Started with Revolution Studio or Enterprise":



 One issue is that advanced work is complicated and requires  
experience, but
what constitutes advanced work/concepts  that new users are not  
ready for?


(2) This is a question difficult to answer. I gave it a try with my  
second approach. I created a collection of snippet and codes that I  
tried to tag for different categories. One of these categories was "1  
novice coder 2 beginner coder 3 intermediate coder 4 advanced coder 5  
expert coder". However I find it difficult to apply these tags and  
not all snippets are tagged for that category.



The problem with the codes CMS is that it takes an awful lot of time  
to cut and paste snippets from the list to the CMS.


(3) The new approach is to create a system by which I can run  
linguistic analyses of the content of all mailing lists and forums  
and then tag each node for critical words contained into that email  
as well as additional nodes like the categories above. I got a first  
draft of this work which gave me satisfaction. But I will need up to  
two weeks of work to get something members of the community can use.  
There is then problem that I am a freelance. Giving to the community  
has to come after earning a living. I do that when at periods between  
freelance work. I didn't have much of these for the last months. I  
can't tell you when I will have time to finish this.


Marielle

Marielle Lange (PhD),  http://widged.com
Bite-size Applications for Education



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LibURL: more loaded questions

[David Bovill]

If you have a bunch of thumbnails that you are loading in the background and
you want to be able to make sure that a user click to see the full image is
"prioritised" is there anyway to do this except using a blocking command?
That is can you pause a(ll) load? If not is there a way of adding the
downloaded image to the cache if you have not used "load" and don't fancy
downloading it again with just in order to take advantage of subsequent
calls?
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Re: Rev Resources

[Joe Lewis Wilkins]

On Feb 17, 2007, at 12:56 PM, Jim Ault wrote:


snip


Marielle has been trying to the compilation for quite awhile, but  
some of
the issues are that it takes a lot of work to get things collected,  
edited
for clarity and instruction purposes, then indexed so new users can  
find

them.

 One issue is that advanced work is complicated and requires  
experience, but
what constitutes advanced work/concepts  that new users are not  
ready for?


Maybe you should give building a compilation a shot from a new user
perspective?


What else would you expect me to do? That's me! Sure, most of the  
issues addressed on this list won't become objects for my curiosity  
for quite some time, but I'm hoping the new direction I'm  
anticipating may shoot that limitation right between the eyes.


You're giving me a lot to think about, and I appreciate all of it.  
Sorry I didn't make it up to LA for the RUG meeting a while back. I  
notice that you did.


Amazing!

Joe Wilkins


Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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Re: [was] Copying files > Rev Resources

[Jim Ault]

On 2/17/07 12:53 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jim,
> 
>  And, I suppose, many of you may think
> I'm biting off more than I can chew. But one of my favorite
> expressions is: "how do you eat an elephant? You do it byte by byte!"

And then there is the story of seven blind wise men examining an elephant
and describing what they know :-)

Jim Ault
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Rev Resources

[Jim Ault]

On 2/17/07 12:41 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks, Steven,

>> I would say by all means check out all the scripting conference stacks
>> http://downloads.runrev.com/section/scriptingconferences.php

> Jacque had directed me to this site some time back. I'm sure it
> resolves a lot of issues, but I'm looking for something that is a
> composite of everything that has been accomplished using Revolution.
> Asking too much, probably. But if it doesn't exist, it should and
> this might be the time to start.
> 
> Joe Wilkins
> 
Marielle has been trying to the compilation for quite awhile, but some of
the issues are that it takes a lot of work to get things collected, edited
for clarity and instruction purposes, then indexed so new users can find
them. 

 One issue is that advanced work is complicated and requires experience, but
what constitutes advanced work/concepts  that new users are not ready for?

Maybe you should give building a compilation a shot from a new user
perspective?

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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Re: [was] Copying files > Rev Resources

[Joe Lewis Wilkins]

Jim,

Thank you for the sage advice, and I don't pretend to expect to  
master a topic over which others have spent years in the development  
process. In fact, it is unlikely that I will even be able to achieve  
"newbie" status any time soon. And, I suppose, many of you may think  
I'm biting off more than I can chew. But one of my favorite  
expressions is: "how do you eat an elephant? You do it byte by byte!"  
OK, so that's old hat. Each of you have pretty much specialized in  
some field, and are probably using Revolution to help you solve some  
of your daily problems in that field. That is as it should be. As an  
architect, I'm accustomed to getting an "overview" of an entire  
problem; usually some kind of construction project. And that is what  
I am trying to do with Revolution. Hopefully those deep waters of  
which you spoke will not drown me! (Enormous smile)


Joe Wilkins

On Feb 17, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Jim Ault wrote:





On 2/17/07 12:19 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Jim, Jacque, Richard and everyone else on the RevList,

It is pretty obvious that I'm not taking advantage of even a fraction
of the available Revolution Resources. Why, the paucity of time is
one reason, but the lack of one place to go to find what is available
is probably the biggest. Perhaps, if I spent more time reading things
available from the Revolution website, I might find an answer to
this. Perhaps. Anyone have suggestions? I'm into good organization,
even though I personally suffer from a shortage of that attribute.
Help, but don't inundate me too badly. We are considering expanded
Revolution coverage on the Macinstruct.com web site, so this
information may prove to be critical to our doing a bang-up job.
Several of you have already been more than helpful, and I've
appreciated their assistance and guidance.



All I can say is "You are sailing into very deep waters".
It can look easy to dive into Rev, but then your goal becomes to  
look and
feel like professional apps that required teams of programmers  
years of

work.

The area of collaboration means that many of the resources are  
stored across
the internet (Eric Chatonet SoSmartSoftware professional level  
tutorials,

RevOnline user sample stacks, Ken Ray Revolution pagesmore, more)
As Stephen said... "check out all the scripting conference stacks
http://downloads.runrev.com/section/scriptingconferences.php";


I would recommend you start the beginner experience with Dan  
Shafer's book,

software at the Speed of Thought.  This encapsulates the experience of
"how do I build something" + "how do I think about all the steps"

As far as how to go from A to Z and learn Rev, I would recommend  
that each
week you watch the use-list, pick a topic, study it, follow the  
example

links, etc.

You could do a MacInstruct article on "the Selected Monthly Rev  
Topic" and

include the sample/tutorial stack links (like the RevOnline stacks)

Learning Rev is a process and a wonderful journey.  Kind of like  
saying "I
am going to see all the interesting places in America... but where  
do I

start?"

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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Re: Copying files

[Joe Lewis Wilkins]

Thanks, Steven,

Jacque had directed me to this site some time back. I'm sure it  
resolves a lot of issues, but I'm looking for something that is a  
composite of everything that has been accomplished using Revolution.  
Asking too much, probably. But if it doesn't exist, it should and  
this might be the time to start.


Joe Wilkins

On Feb 17, 2007, at 12:30 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:


I would say by all means check out all the scripting conference stacks
http://downloads.runrev.com/section/scriptingconferences.php

Even if you THINK you know these topics, you should review these.  
Hosted by Jacque and presented by an expert on each topic, there is  
info here you won't find in the docs.



sqb



Jim, Jacque, Richard and everyone else on the RevList,

It is pretty obvious that I'm not taking advantage of even a  
fraction of the available Revolution Resources. Why, the paucity  
of time is one reason, but the lack of one place to go to find  
what is available is probably the biggest. Perhaps, if I spent  
more time reading things available from the Revolution website, I  
might find an answer to this. Perhaps. Anyone have suggestions?  
I'm into good organization, even though I personally suffer from a  
shortage of that attribute. Help, but don't inundate me too badly.  
We are considering expanded Revolution coverage on the  
Macinstruct.com web site, so this information may prove to be  
critical to our doing a bang-up job. Several of you have already  
been more than helpful, and I've appreciated their assistance and  
guidance.


TIA,

Joe Wilkins

On Feb 17, 2007, at 12:06 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/92570/ 
focus=92612


This is the GMane diagram of the thread

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 2/17/07 4:19 AM, "Ton Kuypers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi gang,

Just wondering of one of you maybe created something he/she would
like to share...

I have to do a project where lots of files will be copied to a
server. The program will run on both OS X and Windows.
The revCopyFolder works perfectly, except for one thing... There is
no status callback, so when copying 200 Mb, there is no way of
showing a progressbar or an updated status message...
Creating a list of all files and using the revCopyFile works  
fine as

well, but it is WAYY slower then copying the complete folder at
once.




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[was] Copying files > Rev Resources

[Jim Ault]

On 2/17/07 12:19 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jim, Jacque, Richard and everyone else on the RevList,
> 
> It is pretty obvious that I'm not taking advantage of even a fraction
> of the available Revolution Resources. Why, the paucity of time is
> one reason, but the lack of one place to go to find what is available
> is probably the biggest. Perhaps, if I spent more time reading things
> available from the Revolution website, I might find an answer to
> this. Perhaps. Anyone have suggestions? I'm into good organization,
> even though I personally suffer from a shortage of that attribute.
> Help, but don't inundate me too badly. We are considering expanded
> Revolution coverage on the Macinstruct.com web site, so this
> information may prove to be critical to our doing a bang-up job.
> Several of you have already been more than helpful, and I've
> appreciated their assistance and guidance.
> 

All I can say is "You are sailing into very deep waters".
It can look easy to dive into Rev, but then your goal becomes to look and
feel like professional apps that required teams of programmers years of
work.

The area of collaboration means that many of the resources are stored across
the internet (Eric Chatonet SoSmartSoftware professional level tutorials,
RevOnline user sample stacks, Ken Ray Revolution pagesmore, more)
As Stephen said... "check out all the scripting conference stacks
http://downloads.runrev.com/section/scriptingconferences.php";


I would recommend you start the beginner experience with Dan Shafer's book,
software at the Speed of Thought.  This encapsulates the experience of
"how do I build something" + "how do I think about all the steps"

As far as how to go from A to Z and learn Rev, I would recommend that each
week you watch the use-list, pick a topic, study it, follow the example
links, etc.

You could do a MacInstruct article on "the Selected Monthly Rev Topic" and
include the sample/tutorial stack links (like the RevOnline stacks)

Learning Rev is a process and a wonderful journey.  Kind of like saying "I
am going to see all the interesting places in America... but where do I
start?"

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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Re: Copying files

[Stephen Barncard]

I would say by all means check out all the scripting conference stacks
http://downloads.runrev.com/section/scriptingconferences.php

Even if you THINK you know these topics, you should review these. 
Hosted by Jacque and presented by an expert on each topic, there is 
info here you won't find in the docs.



sqb



Jim, Jacque, Richard and everyone else on the RevList,

It is pretty obvious that I'm not taking advantage of even a 
fraction of the available Revolution Resources. Why, the paucity of 
time is one reason, but the lack of one place to go to find what is 
available is probably the biggest. Perhaps, if I spent more time 
reading things available from the Revolution website, I might find 
an answer to this. Perhaps. Anyone have suggestions? I'm into good 
organization, even though I personally suffer from a shortage of 
that attribute. Help, but don't inundate me too badly. We are 
considering expanded Revolution coverage on the Macinstruct.com web 
site, so this information may prove to be critical to our doing a 
bang-up job. Several of you have already been more than helpful, and 
I've appreciated their assistance and guidance.


TIA,

Joe Wilkins

On Feb 17, 2007, at 12:06 PM, Jim Ault wrote:


http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/92570/focus=92612

This is the GMane diagram of the thread

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 2/17/07 4:19 AM, "Ton Kuypers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi gang,

Just wondering of one of you maybe created something he/she would
like to share...

I have to do a project where lots of files will be copied to a
server. The program will run on both OS X and Windows.
The revCopyFolder works perfectly, except for one thing... There is
no status callback, so when copying 200 Mb, there is no way of
showing a progressbar or an updated status message...
Creating a list of all files and using the revCopyFile works fine as
well, but it is WAYY slower then copying the complete folder at
once.




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Re: Copying files

[Jim Ault]

This is probably a better answer for revcopyfile

http://search.gmane.org/?query=revcopyfile+progress&author=&group=gmane.comp
.ide.revolution.user&sort=date&DEFAULTOP=and&xP=revcopyfile%09progress&xFILT
ERS=Gcomp.ide.revolution.user---A

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 2/17/07 4:19 AM, "Ton Kuypers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi gang,
> 
> Just wondering of one of you maybe created something he/she would
> like to share...
> 
> I have to do a project where lots of files will be copied to a
> server. The program will run on both OS X and Windows.
> The revCopyFolder works perfectly, except for one thing... There is
> no status callback, so when copying 200 Mb, there is no way of
> showing a progressbar or an updated status message...
> Creating a list of all files and using the revCopyFile works fine as
> well, but it is WAYY slower then copying the complete folder at
> once.
> 


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Re: Copying files

[Joe Lewis Wilkins]

Jim, Jacque, Richard and everyone else on the RevList,

It is pretty obvious that I'm not taking advantage of even a fraction  
of the available Revolution Resources. Why, the paucity of time is  
one reason, but the lack of one place to go to find what is available  
is probably the biggest. Perhaps, if I spent more time reading things  
available from the Revolution website, I might find an answer to  
this. Perhaps. Anyone have suggestions? I'm into good organization,  
even though I personally suffer from a shortage of that attribute.  
Help, but don't inundate me too badly. We are considering expanded  
Revolution coverage on the Macinstruct.com web site, so this  
information may prove to be critical to our doing a bang-up job.  
Several of you have already been more than helpful, and I've  
appreciated their assistance and guidance.


TIA,

Joe Wilkins

On Feb 17, 2007, at 12:06 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/92570/ 
focus=92612


This is the GMane diagram of the thread

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 2/17/07 4:19 AM, "Ton Kuypers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi gang,

Just wondering of one of you maybe created something he/she would
like to share...

I have to do a project where lots of files will be copied to a
server. The program will run on both OS X and Windows.
The revCopyFolder works perfectly, except for one thing... There is
no status callback, so when copying 200 Mb, there is no way of
showing a progressbar or an updated status message...
Creating a list of all files and using the revCopyFile works fine as
well, but it is WAYY slower then copying the complete folder at
once.




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Re: Copying files

[Jim Ault]

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/92570/focus=92612

This is the GMane diagram of the thread

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 2/17/07 4:19 AM, "Ton Kuypers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi gang,
> 
> Just wondering of one of you maybe created something he/she would
> like to share...
> 
> I have to do a project where lots of files will be copied to a
> server. The program will run on both OS X and Windows.
> The revCopyFolder works perfectly, except for one thing... There is
> no status callback, so when copying 200 Mb, there is no way of
> showing a progressbar or an updated status message...
> Creating a list of all files and using the revCopyFile works fine as
> well, but it is WAYY slower then copying the complete folder at
> once.
>


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Re: Copying files

[Jim Ault]

There is a thread a month ago called "Load and Stacks" that addressed this.
Asked by David Bovill and answered by Dave Cragg.  The links below should
get you the emails in that thread

http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=use-revolution%40lists.runrev.com&q=fro
m%3A%22David+Bovill%22+load+stacks


http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=use-revolution%40lists.runrev.com&q=fro
m%3A%22Dave+Cragg%22+load+%2Band+stacks

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 2/17/07 4:19 AM, "Ton Kuypers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi gang,
> 
> Just wondering of one of you maybe created something he/she would
> like to share...
> 
> I have to do a project where lots of files will be copied to a
> server. The program will run on both OS X and Windows.
> The revCopyFolder works perfectly, except for one thing... There is
> no status callback, so when copying 200 Mb, there is no way of
> showing a progressbar or an updated status message...
> Creating a list of all files and using the revCopyFile works fine as
> well, but it is WAYY slower then copying the complete folder at
> once.
> 


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UI design article

[Mark Wieder]

All-

I came across this interesting (IMO) article on UI design of an email
application on another listserv. Not all of it's relevant here, I
think, but there are some quite out-of-the-box ideas regarding
rethinking workflow:

http://www.research.ibm.com/remail/index.html

-- 
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Re: searching archives

[Mark Wieder]

sims-

Saturday, February 17, 2007, 4:36:15 AM, you wrote:

> What URL do you use when searching the List and why do you use that on?

I'd forget google. Two problems here: first of all, their indexing of
this list has gotten dramatically worse over the last year, to to
point where I find it unusable. Secondly, google's search algorithms
have a rather interesting way of determining dates: searching for
items within the last month, say, will attempt to return pages that
have been updated within that period, rather than pages that were
created during that period. So a listserv article from three years ago
will suddenly appear at the top of the pile when the list software
does a reindex. And there's no apparent way around this.

But add nabble to your list. Gmane's the one I find the most useful,
although sometimes one of the others will have a search algorithm that
turns up something gmane's missed.

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Re: Amazing Grace

[Mark Wieder]

Stephen-

Saturday, February 17, 2007, 8:11:05 AM, you wrote:

> You don't have a special, lose-able e-address for spam-magnets?

> People shouldn't give those guys anything one wants to keep. You'll 
> end up on a "2 billion addresses" DVD.  Get a 'free' yahoo email 
> account first.

Yahoo does seem like the worst of the bunch. Even the hotmail address
I set up specifically to attract spam has been spam-free. Meanwhile
yahoo even seems to let its own affiliates (eBay etc) spam its lists.

-- 
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searching archives

[Richmond Mathewson]

Nothing quite like reinventng the wheel (I should
know, it's my pastime):

Richard Gaskin "did this" a while back,

and very niftily too!

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson



Save the last dance for me, and don't slip in the dogs mess on 
the way over to take my hand.




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Re: Option menu

[Michael D.]

Klaus
yes I have the itemdel set as
set the itemDelimiter to numtoChar(34),  with your help I see how this works 
now.

Thanks.
Michael


- Original Message - 
From: "Klaus Major" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "How to use Revolution" 
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: Option menu



Hi Michael,


Hello
I have a fld with with a list of 100 or so lines with itemdel for  the 
first item of each line. How can I get each lines item1 into  the option 
menu ?
so far this gets the first line of the fld into the option menu but  not 
addtional lines.


put item 1 of fld "sortfld" into btn "menuS"

so I think its,
put fld "sortfld" into var
repeat with i=1 to the number of lines in var
put ? not sure here
end repeat
put var into btn "menuS"


You already set the itemelimiter, did I understand this correctly?

The fastest way will be:

...
set the itemdelimiter to XXX
## replace XXX with your itemdelimiter like TAB, "," or whatever!!!

put fld "sortfld" into var

## "repeat for each ..." is insanely fast, but READ ONLY!
## That means you cannot alter the variable (i in this case), only  read 
the value(s)!

repeat for each line i in var

  ## In this loop we collect all the first items into a CR delimited  list
  put item 1 of i & CR after newlist
end repeat

## Get rid of trailing CR
delete last char of newlist

put newlist into btn "menuS"
## Done :-)
...



Thanks for any  help
Michael


Best

Klaus Major
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.major-k.de

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Re: SoCal RUG: Thanks

[Marielle Lange]

Richard,

Glad to hear this was a far better success than the one here in  
Edinburgh.


Any chance any of these presentations can be seen online?

Marielle

On 16 Feb 2007, at 20:16, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Many thanks to all who attended the SoCal Rev User Group meeting we  
had Monday night, and a special thank you to those who presented here.


We wound up having three presentations:

- Josh Mellicker showed his Green Bongo distributed project  
management system, using Rev as a front-end for a remote MySQL DB


- Bill Vlahos gave us a sneak preview of a new U3 app he's working on

- Richard Herz showed us the latest edition of his wonderful  
ReactorLab, a distributed courseware system


Many folks stayed late, some as late as 1:30AM. Good Rev times. :)

Although Richard Herz drove all the way up from San Diego to be  
there, the Longest Drive to the Meeting Award this time went to Jim  
Ault, who was in town from Las Vegas.  Thanks for coming to the  
meeting, Jim.


If you're in Southern California and would like to join us, feel  
free to sign up at the SoCal RUG Yahoo Group:



I'm not sure when the next meeting will be, but we'll keep ya' posted.

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Re: AltBrowser licensing/documentation

[Till Bandi]

Can anyone help me finding the examples of SQlite-Stacks or  
applications?


Till

Am 12.01.2007 um 17:47 schrieb Kevin Miller:

We have now posted license keys on the download page.  We will post  
the

documentation and examples next week.  Please check back then.


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Re: searching archives

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Sims,

Look at the code of the Rev Search Engine (2.7.x): you'll find all  
code for searching via GMane, Nable, Google, Mail Archive, go to all  
lists, etc.

See the 'DoToolBarMenu' handler in the script of the card.

Best Regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet

Le 17 févr. 07 à 13:36, sims a écrit :

I'm making a utility for searching the Rev archives. I use them  
every day to

understand 'how to or 'how not to' do things.

I have the following URLs for searching the List and wonder what  
the other people
on the List use when they search the List archives. One goal in  
asking this is to add the

most popular search URL to my utility that I'll make available.

What URL do you use when searching the List and why do you use that  
on?


sims

http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution@lists.runrev.com/ 
maillist.html


http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user

http://www.google.com/search? 
as_sitesearch=lists.runrev.com&num=20&as_q=


http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/private/improve-revolution


 
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Re: Amazing Grace

[Stephen Barncard]

You don't have a special, lose-able e-address for spam-magnets?

People shouldn't give those guys anything one wants to keep. You'll 
end up on a "2 billion addresses" DVD.  Get a 'free' yahoo email 
account first.


Checking my email today after recently signing up for some of the 
Yahoo! Rev users mailing lists I found 131 spams although that mail 
server has been free from spam for years due to my careful 
deployment. Being on Yahoo in this case I had no choice but to 
divulge it.


I am not blaming those Lists (or Richmond) for this - I expected it 
and luckily they all go directly into the bin.


However, a solitary one got passed that system and nearly had me 
fooled for a few seconds. It was from a supposedly named REV SISTER 
GRACE, yes you've guessed, a Nigerian nun who, calmly blessing me, 
asked for my bank and personal identity info to trasfer my latest 
inheritance!


I just can't decide if it was a coincidence or not but it certainly 
avoided Yahoo!s filters.


All the best and watch out for this saintly soul,
Barry


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Re: Option menu

[Klaus Major]

Hi Michael,


Hello
I have a fld with with a list of 100 or so lines with itemdel for  
the first item of each line. How can I get each lines item1 into  
the option menu ?
so far this gets the first line of the fld into the option menu but  
not addtional lines.


put item 1 of fld "sortfld" into btn "menuS"

so I think its,
put fld "sortfld" into var
repeat with i=1 to the number of lines in var
put ? not sure here
end repeat
put var into btn "menuS"


You already set the itemelimiter, did I understand this correctly?

The fastest way will be:

...
set the itemdelimiter to XXX
## replace XXX with your itemdelimiter like TAB, "," or whatever!!!

put fld "sortfld" into var

## "repeat for each ..." is insanely fast, but READ ONLY!
## That means you cannot alter the variable (i in this case), only  
read the value(s)!

repeat for each line i in var

  ## In this loop we collect all the first items into a CR delimited  
list

  put item 1 of i & CR after newlist
end repeat

## Get rid of trailing CR
delete last char of newlist

put newlist into btn "menuS"
## Done :-)
...



Thanks for any  help
Michael


Best

Klaus Major
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.major-k.de

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Option menu

[Michael D.]

Hello
I have a fld with with a list of 100 or so lines with itemdel for the first 
item of each line. How can I get each lines item1 into the option menu ? 
so far this gets the first line of the fld into the option menu but not 
addtional lines. 

put item 1 of fld "sortfld" into btn "menuS"

so I think its,
put fld "sortfld" into var
repeat with i=1 to the number of lines in var
put ? not sure here
end repeat
put var into btn "menuS" 

Thanks for any  help
Michael
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Re: An effective way to Localize my Revolution Projects for Multiple Languages

[Rob Cozens]

Hi Derek,

I should ask this question of the list, just to see if anyone has 
found an effective way of working with Localized (multiple-language) projects.


Most of the common approaches have been described by others; so I 
would only add:


* Saving all program text and prompts in a different text file for 
each language means only the text pertinent to the currently-selected 
language is loaded in RAM


* Storing language text & prompts in a text file in line-per-line 
format means your application can support _any_ language for which a 
text file can be created, not just the languages you build in pre release.


* If text is stored in a line-per-line format, it is a simple task to 
display each line in turn to a translator, who then types the same 
line in the new language in a field below it.  Once all lines are 
translated, the application can immediately change languages by 
loading text from the new file.


* Any translation scheme must also deal with formatting numbers, 
dates, and currency amounts differently based on system preferences 
(actually, IMO even a single-language program should present dates, 
numbers, and amounts formatted as specified by the user to the OS).


* I strongly advocate the use of icons (supplemented with tool tips, 
if you will) instead of label text to avoid spacing issues.  This is 
especially useful for labels above columnar tables: the text may be x 
characters long in one language and, say, 5*x characters in another 
language; but the column heading width remains constant without lots 
of empty space in one instance or incomprehensible abbreviation or 
truncation in the other.


Normally, I would refer you to the Serendipity Library/SDB download 
for working examples of all these points; however the old download 
went down with Andre Garzia's old web site, and it is not my 
intention to update it until the revisions I am working on are 
further tested and bundled for distribution.  If you'd like to 
explore this further, contact me off-list.


Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)

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Amazing Grace

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Checking my email today after recently signing up for some of the Yahoo! Rev 
users mailing lists I found 131 spams although that mail server has been free 
from spam for years due to my careful deployment. Being on Yahoo in this case I 
had no choice but to divulge it.

I am not blaming those Lists (or Richmond) for this - I expected it and luckily 
they all go directly into the bin.

However, a solitary one got passed that system and nearly had me fooled for a 
few seconds. It was from a supposedly named REV SISTER GRACE, yes you've 
guessed, a Nigerian nun who, calmly blessing me, asked for my bank and personal 
identity info to trasfer my latest inheritance!

I just can't decide if it was a coincidence or not but it certainly avoided 
Yahoo!s filters.

All the best and watch out for this saintly soul,
Barry



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Re: searching archives

[Mark Schonewille]

Sims,

When Google no longer returned correct search results for the  
archives, I switched to GMane and made a FireFox plugin for this. You  
can download the plugin at the Economy-x-Talk homepage. You will find  
it at the bottom of the Developers section.


Best,

Mark

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Op 17-feb-2007, om 13:36 heeft sims het volgende geschreven:

I'm making a utility for searching the Rev archives. I use them  
every day to

understand 'how to or 'how not to' do things.

I have the following URLs for searching the List and wonder what  
the other people
on the List use when they search the List archives. One goal in  
asking this is to add the

most popular search URL to my utility that I'll make available.

What URL do you use when searching the List and why do you use that  
on?


sims

http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution@lists.runrev.com/ 
maillist.html


http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user

http://www.google.com/search? 
as_sitesearch=lists.runrev.com&num=20&as_q=


http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/private/improve-revolution



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searching archives

[sims]

I'm making a utility for searching the Rev archives. I use them every day to
understand 'how to or 'how not to' do things.

I have the following URLs for searching the List and wonder what the 
other people
on the List use when they search the List archives. One goal in 
asking this is to add the

most popular search URL to my utility that I'll make available.

What URL do you use when searching the List and why do you use that on?

sims

http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution@lists.runrev.com/maillist.html

http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user

http://www.google.com/search?as_sitesearch=lists.runrev.com&num=20&as_q=

http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/private/improve-revolution
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Re: Bacground color of tabbed button

[Sarah Reichelt]

A sidenote:
It does not seem to be possible to take a snapshot smaller than 10 by
10 pixel this looks like an undesired anomaly to me. Any thoughts on
this? Do you think it is worth a pizza? 



Maybe a 10 x 10 pizza :-)
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Copying files

[Ton Kuypers]

Hi gang,

Just wondering of one of you maybe created something he/she would  
like to share...


I have to do a project where lots of files will be copied to a  
server. The program will run on both OS X and Windows.
The revCopyFolder works perfectly, except for one thing... There is  
no status callback, so when copying 200 Mb, there is no way of  
showing a progressbar or an updated status message...
Creating a list of all files and using the revCopyFile works fine as  
well, but it is WAYY slower then copying the complete folder at  
once.


Anyone any suggestions?


Warm regards,

Ton Kuypers
Digital Media Partners bvba
Tel. +32 (0)477 / 739 530
Fax +32 (0)14 / 71 03 04
http://www.dmp-int.com



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Re: libURL: load unload bug?

[Dave Cragg]

On 17 Feb 2007, at 11:12, David Bovill wrote:


Thanks - I"ve added that check and so far so good.

I think it would be good to add "libUrlResetAll" - it would have  
saved me

from quiting and restarting a number of times?


If you do use libUrlResetAll, be careful. My general advice would be  
to try not to use it, but if you do, use it at the end of a handler  
or before a period of "idle time". If you have any url calls (get  
url, etc.) after libUrlResetAll in the same handler, the results can  
be unpredictable. I'm not completely clear of the reason for this.  
libUrlResetAll clears a bunch of script local variables (using  
"delete local"), and I suspect that the engine may not do this  
deletion immediately. So subsequent url calls may start and then have  
the script locals "pulled from under them" so to speak. I can't  
confirm this, just a suspicion. :-)


So instead of this:

   libUrlResetAll
   repeat ...
 load url whatever
   end repeat

better to do this if possible:

   libUrlResetAll
   send "startLoading" to me in 50 milliseconds

   on startLoading
 repeat ...
   load url whatever
 end repeat
   end startLoading

I'm guilty of not paying proper attention to libUrlResetAll. I've  
always treated it as a "developer's tool", and not something to be  
left in the patient after the operation. (I only use it when I'm  
working on libUrl.)


Cheers
Dave
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Re: libURL: load unload bug?

[David Bovill]

Thanks - I"ve added that check and so far so good.

I think it would be good to add "libUrlResetAll" - it would have saved me
from quiting and restarting a number of times? But thanks for documenting
and structuring the code so nicely!
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Re: Bacground color of tabbed button

[Malte Brill]

Hi Sarah,

if you want to avoid setting the screenmouseloc, you might want to  
take a snapshot at the location you want to examine and look at the  
imagedata.

import snapshot from rect x,y,x+1,y+1 of this cd
When I tried i ended up with a huge image (of the correct color  
though, so it doesn´t seem to pose a big prob). then look at chartonum 
(char 2 of the imagedata), char 3, char 4.


A sidenote:
It does not seem to be possible to take a snapshot smaller than 10 by  
10 pixel this looks like an undesired anomaly to me. Any thoughts on  
this? Do you think it is worth a pizza? 


All the best,

Malte


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