AW: Mysteroius rev ghost buttons
Thanks Dave Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:use-revolution- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Dave Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 00:44 An: How to use Revolution Betreff: Re: Mysteroius rev ghost buttons Hi, I've seen the IDE go beswick and store objects from the IDE in User Stacks. Open the stack in the IDE and check the Application Browser to see if there are any objects present that you can't see. You may have to check library stacks too. Hope this Helps All the Best Dave On 24 May 2007, at 07:56, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: Hello, I have a very strange phenomenon. After some time (10-30 clicks), using my standalone on Mac (created on Win) 3 rev buttons appear somewhere in the upper third of my application. The labels of the 3 buttons are: revGeometryBack revCommon and revLibURL Using the standalone on Win, they don't appear. I realy don't know what strange phenomenon this is and what I can do to prevent it. Has anyone ever seen these three buttons? Any hint appreciated! Tiemo ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Difference between revdb_connect and revOpenDatabases ?
Hello, I want to use with 2.8.1 the now integrated sqlite db and stumbled over two different sets of db functions. The first one start with revdb_, like revdb_connect and the other ones have names like revOpenDatabases. I have found examples for both, but probably one is old fashioned and one is new and for the future? Can someone explain the difference ( concerning the use of sqlite) and which set of functions is the state of the art using rev today? Thanks for any explanation Tiemo ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Difference between revdb_connect and revOpenDatabases ?
I want to use with 2.8.1 the now integrated sqlite db and stumbled over two different sets of db functions. The first one start with revdb_, like revdb_connect and the other ones have names like revOpenDatabases. I have found examples for both, but probably one is old fashioned and one is new and for the future? Can someone explain the difference ( concerning the use of sqlite) and which set of functions is the state of the art using rev today? As you thought, the revdb set are older and the rev ones are the more modern equivalents. You can use either but you need to be careful because in some cases one will be a function and the equivalent will be a command. This means that they are not always completely interchangeable. I prefer using the rev ones but that is just my preference - there is nothing wrong with using the revdb options. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Difference between revdb_connect and revOpenDatabases ?
--- Tiemo Hollmann TB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I want to use with 2.8.1 the now integrated sqlite db and stumbled over two different sets of db functions. The first one start with revdb_, like revdb_connect and the other ones have names like revOpenDatabases. I have found examples for both, but probably one is old fashioned and one is new and for the future? Can someone explain the difference ( concerning the use of sqlite) and which set of functions is the state of the art using rev today? Thanks for any explanation Tiemo Hi Tiemo, Originally, there were only the 'revdb_' commands and functions. In Revolution 2.0, a number of synonyms were added to make them easier to recognize and understand. The good news is that they're interchangeable: for instance, if you have a database connection opened with 'revdb_connect', you can use this connection ID with the 'revDataFromQuery' function. The same goes for all functions and commands that have to do with cursors. The not-so-good news is that this can cause some confusion, as users aren't quite sure if one set is deprecated and will go away in the future. And there are some subtle differences where the 'revdb_' syntax is a function, but the 'revXYZ' syntax is a command. Personally, I still use the 'revdb_' set as I find it easier to recognize that I'm doing something with the database library external. Maybe someday we'll get a proper namespacing feature in the language and then there will be less confusion - or just different confusion, as the case may be ;-) Hope this helped, Jan Schenkel. Quartam Reports for Revolution http://www.quartam.com = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
AW: Difference between revdb_connect and revOpenDatabases ?
Thanks Jan for your explanations Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:use-revolution- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Jan Schenkel Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 12:13 An: How to use Revolution Betreff: Re: Difference between revdb_connect and revOpenDatabases ? --- Tiemo Hollmann TB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I want to use with 2.8.1 the now integrated sqlite db and stumbled over two different sets of db functions. The first one start with revdb_, like revdb_connect and the other ones have names like revOpenDatabases. I have found examples for both, but probably one is old fashioned and one is new and for the future? Can someone explain the difference ( concerning the use of sqlite) and which set of functions is the state of the art using rev today? Thanks for any explanation Tiemo Hi Tiemo, Originally, there were only the 'revdb_' commands and functions. In Revolution 2.0, a number of synonyms were added to make them easier to recognize and understand. The good news is that they're interchangeable: for instance, if you have a database connection opened with 'revdb_connect', you can use this connection ID with the 'revDataFromQuery' function. The same goes for all functions and commands that have to do with cursors. The not-so-good news is that this can cause some confusion, as users aren't quite sure if one set is deprecated and will go away in the future. And there are some subtle differences where the 'revdb_' syntax is a function, but the 'revXYZ' syntax is a command. Personally, I still use the 'revdb_' set as I find it easier to recognize that I'm doing something with the database library external. Maybe someday we'll get a proper namespacing feature in the language and then there will be less confusion - or just different confusion, as the case may be ;-) Hope this helped, Jan Schenkel. Quartam Reports for Revolution http://www.quartam.com = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) __ __ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
AW: Difference between revdb_connect and revOpenDatabases ?
Thanks for clarifying that for me Sarah! Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:use-revolution- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Sarah Reichelt Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 12:03 An: How to use Revolution Betreff: Re: Difference between revdb_connect and revOpenDatabases ? I want to use with 2.8.1 the now integrated sqlite db and stumbled over two different sets of db functions. The first one start with revdb_, like revdb_connect and the other ones have names like revOpenDatabases. I have found examples for both, but probably one is old fashioned and one is new and for the future? Can someone explain the difference ( concerning the use of sqlite) and which set of functions is the state of the art using rev today? As you thought, the revdb set are older and the rev ones are the more modern equivalents. You can use either but you need to be careful because in some cases one will be a function and the equivalent will be a command. This means that they are not always completely interchangeable. I prefer using the rev ones but that is just my preference - there is nothing wrong with using the revdb options. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Suspend script execution.
Hi Joe, Just modal your stack and use the dialogData property. For instance: set the dialogData to data -- preparing the dialog modal stack MyAnsdwerDialog -- use the dialogData in MyAnsdwerDialog preopenStack to set the dialog as you wish: prompt, labels, etc. -- execution will stop here until MyAnsdwerDialog is closed (a Rev feature) -- change the contents of the the dialogdata from MyAnsdwerDialog stack when the user clicks on a button or another and closes the stack -- then execution starts again: if the dialogdata contains, is, etc. then act accordingly See modal command and dialogdata property in the docs :-) Le 25 mai 07 à 13:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : I’m trying to create my own ask and answer dialog boxes. In order to do that I must be able to suspend a script awaiting my custom dialog box input. Then I want to continue the same script. I tried using the wait command, but that won ’t allow any input while waiting. All suggestions are appreciated. Joe Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Suspend script execution.
Joe, the 'modal' command is what you want, I think. on mouseUp modal stack someDialog doSomething with the dialogData put someMessage end mouseUp Assuming you have a substack someDialog, executing the above in a btn script should open the dialog, wait for it to be closed, and then continue. Best, Mark On 25 May 2007, at 12:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, I’m trying to create my own ask and answer dialog boxes. In order to do that I must be able to suspend a script awaiting my custom dialog box input. Then I want to continue the same script. I tried using the wait command, but that won ’t allow any input while waiting. All suggestions are appreciated. Joe ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Suspend script execution.
Hi Everyone, I’m trying to create my own ask and answer dialog boxes. In order to do that I must be able to suspend a script awaiting my custom dialog box input. Then I want to continue the same script. I tried using the wait command, but that won ’t allow any input while waiting. All suggestions are appreciated. Joe ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
best way to define clickable areas with irregular shapes ?
Hi list, What is the best way to define clickable maps / areas with irregular shapes on a large background image ? I've tried transparent graphics, and also a mousemove handler in the card script, but nothing seems to work really well... thanks, JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: best way to define clickable areas with irregular shapes ?
Hi JB, As png images with transparency (alpha channel) receive mouse messages only in non transparent areas, here is a way to do the trick: Open your original image in PhotoShop or any image editor you use and erase all non hotspots places then save this modified image as a png. Hotspots are now very precise :-) Put both images onto a card, the modified one on top: Now mousedowns, mouseUps, etc. will only bee sent when done in hot spots. If you have many hot spots, you can ensure the process by adding rough invisible graphics including each hotspot and test in addition in which graphic the mouse is within. Note that you can set the blendlevel of the modified image to 100, it will be invisible but all will go on to work :-) Le 25 mai 07 à 15:21, jbv a écrit : What is the best way to define clickable maps / areas with irregular shapes on a large background image ? I've tried transparent graphics, and also a mousemove handler in the card script, but nothing seems to work really well... thanks, JB Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: best way to define clickable areas with irregular shapes ?
Additional tip: In the modified image (see below), you can replace all hotspots with a solid color: the resulting png will be very light. In such a case, the blend level of the image will be set to 100 but can be changed to another well chosen value to show hotspots if needed. Le 25 mai 07 à 15:45, Eric Chatonet a écrit : Hi JB, As png images with transparency (alpha channel) receive mouse messages only in non transparent areas, here is a way to do the trick: Open your original image in PhotoShop or any image editor you use and erase all non hotspots places then save this modified image as a png. Hotspots are now very precise :-) Put both images onto a card, the modified one on top: Now mousedowns, mouseUps, etc. will only bee sent when done in hot spots. If you have many hot spots, you can ensure the process by adding rough invisible graphics including each hotspot and test in addition in which graphic the mouse is within. Note that you can set the blendlevel of the modified image to 100, it will be invisible but all will go on to work :-) Le 25 mai 07 à 15:21, jbv a écrit : What is the best way to define clickable maps / areas with irregular shapes on a large background image ? I've tried transparent graphics, and also a mousemove handler in the card script, but nothing seems to work really well... thanks, JB Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Filling in PDF forms
Hi David, I've had a quick search regarding the ability to auto fill in PDF forms - that is not creating PDF's from databases - but lets say you have an existing PDF that you need to fill out many many times from your data - software that does this for you. FWIW, the US IRS distributes fill-in tax forms in PDF format. Acrobat Reader allows the reader to fill in the boxes but not change any form text. The completed form(s) can then be saved as a separate document. Rob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
AW: best way to define clickable areas with irregular shapes ?
Hi Eric, because it's also interesting for me I add a question. Assuming you have 50 hotspots on the bg image, where 50 different actions have to take place (e.g. showing another image for each hotspot), how can you address the different non transparent hotspots on the png? With 50 irregular shapes, each with another name its no problem, but this way? JB, what was the problem with the irregular shapes for you? Thanks Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:use-revolution- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Eric Chatonet Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 15:45 An: How to use Revolution Betreff: Re: best way to define clickable areas with irregular shapes ? Hi JB, As png images with transparency (alpha channel) receive mouse messages only in non transparent areas, here is a way to do the trick: Open your original image in PhotoShop or any image editor you use and erase all non hotspots places then save this modified image as a png. Hotspots are now very precise :-) Put both images onto a card, the modified one on top: Now mousedowns, mouseUps, etc. will only bee sent when done in hot spots. If you have many hot spots, you can ensure the process by adding rough invisible graphics including each hotspot and test in addition in which graphic the mouse is within. Note that you can set the blendlevel of the modified image to 100, it will be invisible but all will go on to work :-) Le 25 mai 07 à 15:21, jbv a écrit : What is the best way to define clickable maps / areas with irregular shapes on a large background image ? I've tried transparent graphics, and also a mousemove handler in the card script, but nothing seems to work really well... thanks, JB Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: best way to define clickable areas with irregular shapes ?
Tiemo, my problem with irregular shapes was to define the boundaries of each shape... I guess that in most cases, Eric's method allows to virtually enclose each shape in a rectangular bounding box, and thus define a different action when cursor enters each shape... the only limitation I can see is overlapping bounding boxes... JB Hi Eric, because it's also interesting for me I add a question. Assuming you have 50 hotspots on the bg image, where 50 different actions have to take place (e.g. showing another image for each hotspot), how can you address the different non transparent hotspots on the png? With 50 irregular shapes, each with another name its no problem, but this way? JB, what was the problem with the irregular shapes for you? Thanks Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:use-revolution- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Eric Chatonet Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 15:45 An: How to use Revolution Betreff: Re: best way to define clickable areas with irregular shapes ? Hi JB, As png images with transparency (alpha channel) receive mouse messages only in non transparent areas, here is a way to do the trick: Open your original image in PhotoShop or any image editor you use and erase all non hotspots places then save this modified image as a png. Hotspots are now very precise :-) Put both images onto a card, the modified one on top: Now mousedowns, mouseUps, etc. will only bee sent when done in hot spots. If you have many hot spots, you can ensure the process by adding rough invisible graphics including each hotspot and test in addition in which graphic the mouse is within. Note that you can set the blendlevel of the modified image to 100, it will be invisible but all will go on to work :-) Le 25 mai 07 à 15:21, jbv a écrit : What is the best way to define clickable maps / areas with irregular shapes on a large background image ? I've tried transparent graphics, and also a mousemove handler in the card script, but nothing seems to work really well... thanks, JB Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Can I make Runrev (any version) able to use Pop-port USB or Bluetooth for exchange data?
No need to add urgent to your subject line, as you see, that just makes most people ignore it... As for your question: USB: external Bluetooth: Maybe the serial interface that bluetooth has, otherwise external Wikipedia says pop-port is just a proprietary plug by nokia for usb. have fun On 25 May 2007, at 07:18, supote songthammawat wrote: Dear Everybody, I 'd like to know Can I make Runrev (any version) able to use Pop-port USB or Bluetooth for exchange data? If possible how to do. Pls guide or suggest me. Thks. Best Regard, Supote ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Windows DLLs and path
I use SSL libraries in my application. For Windows Rev creates a couple of dlls that I need to include with my standalone. My application is portable in that all the files (executables and data) are in a folder. If the dlls are at the same level as the executables then it works fine but clutters the file system window with files a user doesn't need to deal with. I'd like to make a folder at the same level as the executables and put the dlls there. However, when I do this they are no longer in the path and don't work. Is there a way to tell the standalone they are in a subfolder? Thanks, Bill Vlahos ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: best way to define clickable areas with irregular shapes ?
Hi Tiemo, You have many ways: it depends on the fact you have many hotspots close from each other or not. For instance if your hotspots are able to be conformed in a virtual grid you can test the mouseLoc within this grid. If it does not appear possible, adding invisible graphics should work. You get the mouse events only on real hotspots using the png and a loop allows you to know how to act: For instance: In the script of the png image: on mouseUp repeat with i = 1 to the number of graphics if the mouseloc is within the rect of graphic i then Action the short name of graphic i -- see below exit repeat end if end repeat end mouseUp -- on Action pObjName switch pObjName case bottle of wine etc. ;-) Le 25 mai 07 à 16:40, Tiemo Hollmann TB a écrit : Hi Eric, because it's also interesting for me I add a question. Assuming you have 50 hotspots on the bg image, where 50 different actions have to take place (e.g. showing another image for each hotspot), how can you address the different non transparent hotspots on the png? With 50 irregular shapes, each with another name its no problem, but this way? JB, what was the problem with the irregular shapes for you? Thanks Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:use-revolution- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Eric Chatonet Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 15:45 An: How to use Revolution Betreff: Re: best way to define clickable areas with irregular shapes ? Hi JB, As png images with transparency (alpha channel) receive mouse messages only in non transparent areas, here is a way to do the trick: Open your original image in PhotoShop or any image editor you use and erase all non hotspots places then save this modified image as a png. Hotspots are now very precise :-) Put both images onto a card, the modified one on top: Now mousedowns, mouseUps, etc. will only bee sent when done in hot spots. If you have many hot spots, you can ensure the process by adding rough invisible graphics including each hotspot and test in addition in which graphic the mouse is within. Note that you can set the blendlevel of the modified image to 100, it will be invisible but all will go on to work :-) Le 25 mai 07 à 15:21, jbv a écrit : What is the best way to define clickable maps / areas with irregular shapes on a large background image ? I've tried transparent graphics, and also a mousemove handler in the card script, but nothing seems to work really well... thanks, JB Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to release a library to the list/world
Hello Thomas, easiest way, put it on RevOnline, write a little email about the lib and let it flow... :D andre On May 18, 2007, at 12:40 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: Dear fellow revolutionaries, It has been a while since I have been able to post on the list. I have been very busy getting some software completed and also personally I have been dealing with a lot of issues, some good and some not so good. As a result I have been re-evaluating my goals and the projects I have been working on. One in particular is a project I had been working on with some passion and then all of a sudden I had to drop. I have been working on a library of commands and functions for a project of mine that has grown out of control - not the project but rather the library has grown out of control. Anyway, I would like to release the library to this wonderful group of people who have helped me so much over these past 4 years. Is there a preferred method of doing this? The library is incomplete but I would say it is around 90% accomplished. I would like to benefit from the help of others to see this go to 100%. But I do not have the time available to participate heavily in this process. If I had the time I would have finished it myself. At the same time I don't want to have to overly explain some of the problems or solutions etc. in this library. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated, Regards Tom McGrath ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
How to release a library to the list/world
Dear fellow revolutionaries, It has been a while since I have been able to post on the list. I have been very busy getting some software completed and also personally I have been dealing with a lot of issues, some good and some not so good. As a result I have been re-evaluating my goals and the projects I have been working on. One in particular is a project I had been working on with some passion and then all of a sudden I had to drop. I have been working on a library of commands and functions for a project of mine that has grown out of control - not the project but rather the library has grown out of control. Anyway, I would like to release the library to this wonderful group of people who have helped me so much over these past 4 years. Is there a preferred method of doing this? The library is incomplete but I would say it is around 90% accomplished. I would like to benefit from the help of others to see this go to 100%. But I do not have the time available to participate heavily in this process. If I had the time I would have finished it myself. At the same time I don't want to have to overly explain some of the problems or solutions etc. in this library. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated, Regards Tom McGrath ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: best way to define clickable areas with irregular shapes ?
What is the best way to define clickable maps / areas with irregular shapes on a large background image ? As png images with transparency (alpha channel) receive mouse messages only in non transparent areas, here is a way to do the trick: Open your original image in PhotoShop or any image editor you use and erase all non hotspots places then save this modified image as a png. Hotspots are now very precise :-) It's worth noting that with the introduction of version 2.7 (I believe) graphic objects will detect the mouse only within filled area they occupy, instead of their rects, which makes them quite suitable for irregular click regions. It's no longer necessary to use images for this purpose. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Filling in PDF forms
David wrote: I've had a quick search regarding the ability to auto fill in PDF forms - that is not creating PDF's from databases - but lets say you have an existing PDF that you need to fill out many many times from your data - software that does this for you. Rob Cozens wrote: FWIW, the US IRS distributes fill-in tax forms in PDF format. Acrobat Reader allows the reader to fill in the boxes but not change any form text. The completed form(s) can then be saved as a separate document. Rob The XML below was saved out of a PDF form that I created in Acrobat 7 Pro. You can also write XML using Rev as long as the field tags corespond to the field names designated in the PDF form. This XML can be imported into the fields of the PDF form. ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8 ? - form1 - Test_PDF_file JOB82321/JOB TYPE1/TYPE QTY_X10/QTY_X QTY_Y3/QTY_Y TOTAL13/TOTAL /Test_PDF_file /form1 Roger Eller [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Error in docs about file creation date
Wilhelm Sanke wrote: On Wed, 23 May 2007,Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right now Rev uses the OS APIs to get the file info, so it's about as efficient as it can be. I can see the benefit of using EXIF, but since this requires additional work and processing time, and only applies to a subset of a very small number of file tyes, this sounds like an excellent candidate for an external. Anyone here interested in writing it? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation I do not know if he is interested and would have the time, but I think Alex Tweedly, author of the wonderful libEXIF stack, would be the ideal candidate. I'd certainly be interested. I *should* have time. I have tried to tweak his stack a little to retrieve the original dates from all image files of a folder. Execution time per image file is from 13 to 40 milliseconds depending on what amount of date I get from the original date line of Alex's variable alltags (i.e. only the original date or with filename and/or seconds etc.). I left the stack script intact and edited only the test button to get only the original-date lines. This means that the stack - as before - first retrieves *all* EXIF data in the stack script before only the date line is accessed from the changed button script. Would Alex rewrite his stack script to concentrate on the original date, I believe the execution speed per image file would be only about 5 milliseconds or even less. An external based on his algorithms would surely be astonishingly fast. I'll have a look at it, probably over the weekend. I haven't actually looked at the EXIF stack for quite a while, so it will be interesting to see just how poor my code documentation was :-) -- Alex. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Popping up stacks
There are two ways to use stacks as popup menus, and these can be useful as grids and galleries. But sadly each method has its weaknesses, and neither seems to allow users to interact with scrolling groups gracefully if at all. I've put together a sample stack at: go url http://www.fourthworldlabs.com/PopupTest.mc; If you have time and interest, I'd appreciate any tips on how one might get scrolling groups to work within popup stacks. If there isn't a way to do it now I'll post a BZ request. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: best way to define clickable areas with irregular shapes ?
Hi Scott, Yes you are right about graphics but I find a lot easier to create very precise hotspot outlines using Photoshop. Rev graphic tools are HC legacy, not more :-) Le 25 mai 07 à 19:02, Scott Rossi a écrit : What is the best way to define clickable maps / areas with irregular shapes on a large background image ? As png images with transparency (alpha channel) receive mouse messages only in non transparent areas, here is a way to do the trick: Open your original image in PhotoShop or any image editor you use and erase all non hotspots places then save this modified image as a png. Hotspots are now very precise :-) It's worth noting that with the introduction of version 2.7 (I believe) graphic objects will detect the mouse only within filled area they occupy, instead of their rects, which makes them quite suitable for irregular click regions. It's no longer necessary to use images for this purpose. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Popping up stacks
Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote: There are two ways to use stacks as popup menus, and these can be useful as grids and galleries. But sadly each method has its weaknesses, and neither seems to allow users to interact with scrolling groups gracefully if at all. Each of these solutions is using a stack as a menu -- is there a reason you can't display a palette or system window at the desired location? Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Popping up stacks
Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote: There are two ways to use stacks as popup menus, and these can be useful as grids and galleries. But sadly each method has its weaknesses, and neither seems to allow users to interact with scrolling groups gracefully if at all. Each of these solutions is using a stack as a menu -- is there a reason you can't display a palette or system window at the desired location? My first approach on this was to try the built-in methods for popping up a stack. If there's no magic combination of property settings to make either of those work, using a palette would be the next step. But this is not without its own challenges, as I'd need to carefully trap messages to dismiss the palette whenever anything else is clicked on, when the Escape key is pressed, etc. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Popping up stacks
Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote: Each of these solutions is using a stack as a menu -- is there a reason you can't display a palette or system window at the desired location? If there's no magic combination of property settings to make either of those work, using a palette would be the next step. But this is not without its own challenges, as I'd need to carefully trap messages to dismiss the palette whenever anything else is clicked on, when the Escape key is pressed, etc. Well at first glance, you may not have many other options available to you. Since I assume the panel is supposed to open above another stack, you could temporarily a transparent graphic in the under-stack to catch all non-popup mouseclicks. Are you replicating some behavior/feature in an existing application? Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Popping up stacks
Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote: Each of these solutions is using a stack as a menu -- is there a reason you can't display a palette or system window at the desired location? If there's no magic combination of property settings to make either of those work, using a palette would be the next step. But this is not without its own challenges, as I'd need to carefully trap messages to dismiss the palette whenever anything else is clicked on, when the Escape key is pressed, etc. Well at first glance, you may not have many other options available to you. So it seems. Since I assume the panel is supposed to open above another stack, you could temporarily a transparent graphic in the under-stack to catch all non-popup mouseclicks. That would help for those, but then there's suspend and other messages that need to be trapped. Are you replicating some behavior/feature in an existing application? I'm not sure I understand the question, but I won't let that stop me from answering it. :) If you mean, Where did you see that before?, we have a few flavors. Going way back, HyperCard had nifty tear-off menus with selection grids (though all controls were visible and didn't require a scrollbar). More recently, as part of Microsoft's Ribbons UI in Office 12 they have Galleries, popup panes to select from a range of presets, sometimes with collections large enough to require scrolling: http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2005/09/19/471123.aspx Of course with the Mac menu bar we can't popup from there, but we can from a toolbar, which for this design is really what we're looking for. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windows DLLs and path
Bill Vlahos wrote: I use SSL libraries in my application. For Windows Rev creates a couple of dlls that I need to include with my standalone. My application is portable in that all the files (executables and data) are in a folder. If the dlls are at the same level as the executables then it works fine but clutters the file system window with files a user doesn't need to deal with. I'd like to make a folder at the same level as the executables and put the dlls there. However, when I do this they are no longer in the path and don't work. Is there a way to tell the standalone they are in a subfolder? Thanks, Bill Vlahos Hi Bill, Have you tried setting the defaultFolder to the DLL folder (or maybe doing a shell(cd path)) just before issuing a command handled by them? It's a shot in the dark but might work. Phil Davis ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Popping up stacks
Hi Richard, Why don't you use a modal dialog for this? You can script it so your code accesses it 'in process' for a handler, which makes your job pretty easy. Check out: Creating a reusable dialog box at http://www.altuit.com/webs/revCentral/Number7/default.htm for a quicky type solution which shows an 'in process' use of a modal dialog. best, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: best way to define clickable areas with irregular shapes ?
Recently, Wilhelm Sanke wrote: To my knowledge graphic objects were able to detect the mouse inside their filled area - instead of their rects - long before 2.7. Detecting the mouse, yes, always. But within an irregular polygon shape, the mouse would be detected using the entire rect of the graphic, regardless of any concave or convex regions. I (and Eric Chatonet I assume) spent many years working around this limitation by using images with transparent regions. But this is now irrelevant as graphics detect the mouse using only the area they occupy as expected. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Popping up stacks
Chipp Walters wrote: Why don't you use a modal dialog for this? You can script it so your code accesses it 'in process' for a handler, which makes your job pretty easy. Check out: Creating a reusable dialog box at http://www.altuit.com/webs/revCentral/Number7/default.htm for a quicky type solution which shows an 'in process' use of a modal dialog. Thanks, Chipp. Yes, I've made a few dialogs over the years, and about half of them were generalized into reusable libraries. Modals are useful, but they're, well, modal. This is a subtle distinction, but in practice it affects the feel of a program's flow. To use an extreme example, imagine if HyperCard's toolbox was a modal dialog. Sure, it'd only be an extra click to use it, but it would feel more like a separate thing, less integrated with the flow. In Office 12, the new Galleries could probably have been modals as well, as similar features were in earlier versions. But there's something very immediate-feeling about having a gallery pop up from the toolbar. And while a modal requires an explicit gesture to dismiss it, menus are dismissed by doing anything outside of it, allowing the busy user to move on to do something else if the mood strikes them, and the menu politely gets out of their way and lets them do it. There are a lot of niceties like that in Office 12. I've been reading Jensen Harris' blog on its design ever since Dan Shafer first turned me on to it: http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/ This analysis from Nielsen helps lend some perspective: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/wysiwyg.html I share Neilsen's opinion that Ribbons represent one of the few truly new things in UIs since the standardization on the WIMP model (Windows, Icons, Menus, Pointer). While we're not moving our UIs to a full Ribbons model, on a couple apps we're leaning in that direction with smarter and more complete toolbars. Galleries as popup panes work well within that model, and they feel more flowy, so over time I suspect many things which had been dialogs in our apps will migrate over time to popup panes. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Popping up stacks
Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote: I've made a few dialogs over the years, and about half of them were generalized into reusable libraries. Modals are useful, but they're, well, modal. This is a subtle distinction, but in practice it affects the feel of a program's flow. To use an extreme example, imagine if HyperCard's toolbox was a modal dialog. Sure, it'd only be an extra click to use it, but it would feel more like a separate thing, less integrated with the flow. Perhaps you could build a fake sheet implementation (fake so that it works crossplatform). If you want something more integrated with the flow, this is pretty good IMO, and offers a little bit of eye candy with in/out animation. Not sure if having controls reside within the stack is drawback for you (as opposed to stored in an external stack). Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Filling in PDF forms
Same in the UK Rob - which is actually the application I am thinking of. So the question is what is the best way to take the IRS documents and get Rev to fill in the forms from the accounts database? Read the XML? Or is there another way On 25/05/07, Rob Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi David, I've had a quick search regarding the ability to auto fill in PDF forms - that is not creating PDF's from databases - but lets say you have an existing PDF that you need to fill out many many times from your data - software that does this for you. FWIW, the US IRS distributes fill-in tax forms in PDF format. Acrobat Reader allows the reader to fill in the boxes but not change any form text. The completed form(s) can then be saved as a separate document. Rob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: best way to define clickable areas with irregular shapes ?
Recently, Wilhelm Sanke wrote: To my knowledge graphic objects were able to detect the mouse inside their filled area - instead of their rects - long before 2.7. yep, and thus the trick is actually straightforward : irregular polygonal shapes are made with opaque graphics, and those are positioned under the background image. Then this very simple script can ve used in the card or background image : on mousemove repeat with i=1 to number of grcs of this card if within(grc i,the mouseloc) then -- do something exit repeat end if end repeat end mousemove Best, JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Severe crash with Rev 2.8.1 under MacOSX 10.4.9
Joel Guillod wrote: May be the crash Joe reported is NOT due to the RR Search engine!!! Read more... This afternoon I have experienced two unexpectedly exits from Revolution and I restarted my machine. And then I had a very severe crash during a normal development session. I had no problem under Rev 2.7.4 for the same business. Before the crash the only unusual thing I made is printing a few cards and the print actually occured. But then when I exited Revolution the session has unexpectedly closed and I spent much time to be able to restart MacOSX (10.4.9 PPC). The Preview application was the only one opened apart from Revolution (and Finder of course) and I have not worked with any other applications during this user session. If some other one experienced such a behavior, think about filling a bug before some catastrophic event happens... with 2.8.1. I've had a couple of these also...(same platform) but the requirement to identify a reproducible recipe has made it difficult to consider posting a bug. interestingly, when this happens, my on closestack save this stack end closestack seem, to fire and I haven't really lost any work. And I've never had to restart my machine. i had a couple of such crashes on close stacks that were open over the network (the stack is actually on the server in another room)... But, true: 2.7.4 was more stable. but to keep things in perspective: 2.8.1 is still more stable than Adobe Acrobat Professional 8.0 which unexpectedly quits on me quit regularly (from the new CS3 Suite) Go figure (smile) Joel I just tried the Search Engine you mentioned. There appears to be a very serious flaw to the Search engine - causing Revolution to unexpectedly quit and probably doing other damage as well, since my only recourse was to reboot. Even the dock was unresponsive. If I tried to reopen Rev, it appeared to reopen with the startup Rev Splash screen, but then was nowhere to be found. I realize I'm not being very specific, but this all was caused (twice) by clicking in the small black (color selection) box that appears in the upper right portion of the Search results window, the one that says it lets you select a color for keywords. As soon as the color selection dialog appeared and I attempted to change the color, Rev quit and the other things I mention occurred requiring that I reboot. Just thought you'd like to know, since you say you wrote that part of the docs. I'm running Rev 2.8.1 on OS 10.4.9 with an Intel Mac Dual Core. The first time it happened I had Isolator 1.0 turned on. The second time, I did not. Neither time did I have any other applications open; running Safari as the web browser. Joe Wilkins ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Om shanti (In Peace) Sivakatirswami www.himalayanacademy.com Get Hinduism Today Digital Edition. It's Free! http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Popping up stacks
I don't believe you can specify a position for a modal dialog (without using tricks like specifying a larger window size and a windowshape). Chipp Walters wrote: Hi Richard, Why don't you use a modal dialog for this? You can script it so your code accesses it 'in process' for a handler, which makes your job pretty easy. Check out: Creating a reusable dialog box at http://www.altuit.com/webs/revCentral/Number7/default.htm for a quicky type solution which shows an 'in process' use of a modal dialog. best, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Popping up stacks
Hi Peter, Just set the loc of such a stack in its preOpenStack :-) Le 25 mai 07 à 23:05, Peter T. Evensen a écrit : I don't believe you can specify a position for a modal dialog (without using tricks like specifying a larger window size and a windowshape). Chipp Walters wrote: Hi Richard, Why don't you use a modal dialog for this? You can script it so your code accesses it 'in process' for a handler, which makes your job pretty easy. Check out: Creating a reusable dialog box at http://www.altuit.com/webs/revCentral/Number7/default.htm for a quicky type solution which shows an 'in process' use of a modal dialog. best, Chipp Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Popping up stacks
Richard, If it's a dialog that can stay within the window, have you considered using groups instead of a new stack? I've found that 'dialogs' created out of a group is quite effective, very fast, and is easy to create a very attractive interface. I mean really fast. hiding and showing. sqb There are two ways to use stacks as popup menus, and these can be useful as grids and galleries. But sadly each method has its weaknesses, and neither seems to allow users to interact with scrolling groups gracefully if at all. I've put together a sample stack at: go url http://www.fourthworldlabs.com/PopupTest.mc; If you have time and interest, I'd appreciate any tips on how one might get scrolling groups to work within popup stacks. If there isn't a way to do it now I'll post a BZ request. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Popping up stacks
Never mind. I think I missed some details in the original post...'toolbar' Richard, If it's a dialog that can stay within the window, have you considered using groups instead of a new stack? I've found that 'dialogs' created out of a group is quite effective, very fast, and is easy to create a very attractive interface. I mean really fast. hiding and showing. sqb There are two ways to use stacks as popup menus, and these can be useful as grids and galleries. But sadly each method has its weaknesses, and neither seems to allow users to interact with scrolling groups gracefully if at all. I've put together a sample stack at: go url http://www.fourthworldlabs.com/PopupTest.mc; If you have time and interest, I'd appreciate any tips on how one might get scrolling groups to work within popup stacks. If there isn't a way to do it now I'll post a BZ request. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: best way to define clickable areas with irregular shapes ?
Scott Rossi scott at tactilemedia.com wrote: Recently, Wilhelm Sanke wrote: To my knowledge graphic objects were able to detect the mouse inside their filled area - instead of their rects - long before 2.7. Detecting the mouse, yes, always. But within an irregular polygon shape, the mouse would be detected using the entire rect of the graphic, regardless of any concave or convex regions. I (and Eric Chatonet I assume) spent many years working around this limitation by using images with transparent regions. But this is now irrelevant as graphics detect the mouse using only the area they occupy as expected. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design Maybe I cannot grasp exactly what you and Eric were trying to achieve . Things seem to be different here. The educational sample stack I referred to (http://www.sanke.org/Software/ImageAndWords.zip) was originally created in April 2003. Within its irregular polygon shapes, the mouse would be detected only in the proper graphic area and *not* in the entire rect of the graphic. Have a look at the stack and run it with a Metacard of Revolution version prior to 2.5. Look for instance at the exercise Move and Click. Regards, Wilhelm Sanke http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Popping up stacks
Stephen, I hate to say this, particularly since this list is very helpful and no doubt extremely talented and experienced in many areas, but sometimes I don't think most are as creative as they could be. I know it's a trite expression, but they need to think outside the box more often. Your suggestion is exactly what one of mine, made several days ago, would have led to. I didn't carry the ball any further than just suggesting an approach, but I was sure it would work and be easily accomplished. I got no response from that suggestion. Of course it had to do with Answer and Ask dialogs using images in the background; more or less the same thing. So, have a pleasant Memorial Day weekend. Joe Wilkins On May 25, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote: Never mind. I think I missed some details in the original post...'toolbar' Richard, If it's a dialog that can stay within the window, have you considered using groups instead of a new stack? I've found that 'dialogs' created out of a group is quite effective, very fast, and is easy to create a very attractive interface. I mean really fast. hiding and showing. sqb There are two ways to use stacks as popup menus, and these can be useful as grids and galleries. But sadly each method has its weaknesses, and neither seems to allow users to interact with scrolling groups gracefully if at all. I've put together a sample stack at: go url http://www.fourthworldlabs.com/PopupTest.mc; If you have time and interest, I'd appreciate any tips on how one might get scrolling groups to work within popup stacks. If there isn't a way to do it now I'll post a BZ request. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Popping up stacks
Stephen Barncard wrote: Richard, If it's a dialog that can stay within the window, have you considered using groups instead of a new stack? I've found that 'dialogs' created out of a group is quite effective, very fast, and is easy to create a very attractive interface. I mean really fast. hiding and showing. Thanks for the suggestion -- good idea. I use groups in a lot of ways throughout the UI, but these galleries they really need to be separate windows, as the document window they appear over is resizable and may be smaller than the gallery popup. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Relative folder paths
I can't seem to refer to folders via relative paths. Lets say I have a folder containing a standalone, Data folder, and Preference folder all at the same level. The defaultFolder would be the folder at the level of the standalone. If I change the defaultFolder to DataFileFolder I can then just put the files into vFilesList to get a listing of the files. However, this resets the defaultFolder value so I can't get to things in the Preference folder. How would I get a listing of files in the defaultFolder/DataFileFolder? Thanks, Bill Vlahos ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Relative folder paths
Richard, This doesn't seem to do anything useful to me. How would I get a list of files in the DataFileFolder and then get a list of files in the Preferences folder? Bill On Friday, May 25, 2007, at 05:17PM, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Vlahos wrote: Lets say I have a folder containing a standalone, Data folder, and Preference folder all at the same level. The defaultFolder would be the folder at the level of the standalone. If I change the defaultFolder to DataFileFolder I can then just put the files into vFilesList to get a listing of the files. However, this resets the defaultFolder value so I can't get to things in the Preference folder. How would I get a listing of files in the defaultFolder/DataFileFolder? Just move up one with ../: set the directory to ../DataFileFolder/ -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Relative folder paths
On 26 May 2007, at 04:09, Bill Vlahos wrote: How would I get a list of files in the DataFileFolder and then get a list of files in the Preferences folder? Assuming your DataFileFolder contains your Preferences folder, and is the current defaultfolder: Put the defaultfolder into temp set the defaultfolder to temp /Preferences put the files set the defaultfolder to temp put the files -- official ChatRev page: http://chatrev.bjoernke.com Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev; ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Relative folder paths
Björnke, That's very helpful. So you can't really do anything with relative paths. You just have to keep redefining what the defaultFolder is. I can do that. Thanks, Bill On Friday, May 25, 2007, at 07:17PM, Björnke von Gierke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26 May 2007, at 04:09, Bill Vlahos wrote: How would I get a list of files in the DataFileFolder and then get a list of files in the Preferences folder? Assuming your DataFileFolder contains your Preferences folder, and is the current defaultfolder: Put the defaultfolder into temp set the defaultfolder to temp /Preferences put the files set the defaultfolder to temp put the files -- official ChatRev page: http://chatrev.bjoernke.com Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev; ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windows DLLs and path
From: Bill Vlahos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there a way to tell the standalone they are in a subfolder? Possibly in Rev - but I've not tried it. However... It's normal practice to place them in the standalone (executable) directory. Placing them in the path can cause dll hell in that another application uses a dll of the same name or even a newer or older dll that your app can not handle. So avoid the path for this stuff. In terms of the dll being in the same folder as the standalone (executable) why not do something like this (providing you're not installing into c:\Program Files which will cause problems in Vista): Put you dll into your standalone as a binary custom property. When the app executes unpack it to a file (.dll) and when your program exits delete the dll. This is pretty much what happens with some static linking programs like C++, Delphi, VB etc. You'd have to be sure to free the dll before deletion. Scott Kane CD Too - Voice Overs Artist Original Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media Music Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Popping up stacks
In Office 12, the new Galleries could probably have been modals as well, as similar features were in earlier versions. I'm not as all crazy about 'Ribbons' as the rest. The take up a lot of screen real estate, and in many cases require significant processing resources (WYSIWYG font settings for instance). While they are certainly great for some things, I'm not all that stoked about them for all interface needs. And, they aren't as easy to figure out as one might think. I believe we've already argued the plus/minus of them in past threads. But there's something very immediate-feeling about having a gallery pop up from the toolbar. And while a modal requires an explicit gesture to dismiss it, menus are dismissed by doing anything outside of it, allowing the busy user to move on to do something else if the mood strikes them, and the menu politely gets out of their way and lets them do it. Of course there's always the issue of how to dismiss them (cancel them). If you click outside the window, but on a different button or ribbon, does it instantly popup? Or is the click captured only as a dismissal? And what about accidental clicking outside the window, or switching to another app? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Popping up stacks
Chipp Walters wrote: In Office 12, the new Galleries could probably have been modals as well, as similar features were in earlier versions. I'm not as all crazy about 'Ribbons' as the rest. The take up a lot of screen real estate, and in many cases require significant processing resources (WYSIWYG font settings for instance). While they are certainly great for some things, I'm not all that stoked about them for all interface needs. And, they aren't as easy to figure out as one might think. I believe we've already argued the plus/minus of them in past threads. It'll be interesting to see how things evolve. GUIs have pretty much done without significant revision for more than a decade, so it seems we're about due for something to shake things up, if not Ribbons then something else. And both MS and I hear you about real-estate: the smart toolbar can be shown or hidden with a single keystroke. But there's something very immediate-feeling about having a gallery pop up from the toolbar. And while a modal requires an explicit gesture to dismiss it, menus are dismissed by doing anything outside of it, allowing the busy user to move on to do something else if the mood strikes them, and the menu politely gets out of their way and lets them do it. Of course there's always the issue of how to dismiss them (cancel them). If you click outside the window, but on a different button or ribbon, does it instantly popup? Or is the click captured only as a dismissal? And what about accidental clicking outside the window, or switching to another app? Ideally all popup menus would work identically, whether they're text-only or use graphical elements. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windows DLLs and path
Scott, That's very clever to put them in a custom property and unpack when needed. I'm not installing into c:\Program Files so that should not be a problem. How do you free the dll? Other than the dlls would still be there, is there a problem if a user uses the Task Manager to kill the program as it won't free the dlls? Thanks, Bill Vlahos On Friday, May 25, 2007, at 08:06PM, Scott Kane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bill Vlahos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there a way to tell the standalone they are in a subfolder? Possibly in Rev - but I've not tried it. However... It's normal practice to place them in the standalone (executable) directory. Placing them in the path can cause dll hell in that another application uses a dll of the same name or even a newer or older dll that your app can not handle. So avoid the path for this stuff. In terms of the dll being in the same folder as the standalone (executable) why not do something like this (providing you're not installing into c:\Program Files which will cause problems in Vista): Put you dll into your standalone as a binary custom property. When the app executes unpack it to a file (.dll) and when your program exits delete the dll. This is pretty much what happens with some static linking programs like C++, Delphi, VB etc. You'd have to be sure to free the dll before deletion. Scott Kane CD Too - Voice Overs Artist Original Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media Music Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windows DLLs and path
From: Bill Vlahos [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's very clever to put them in a custom property and unpack when needed. I'm not installing into c:\Program Files so that should not be a problem. It's an old trick with other IDE's. :-) How do you free the dll? Other than the dlls would still be there, is there a problem if a user uses the Task Manager to kill the program as it won't free the dlls? AFAICT using a dll's in Rev requires implicity loading (intializing them) and then unloading them (from samples of externals I've seen, though I could be wrong here). However generally, all things being equal, Windows will unload the dll when it is no longer being used. So The best way to arrive at the correct solution here is to give it a try and see if you get any Windows error messages doing it. Scott Kane CD Too - Voice Overs Artist Original Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media Music Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
