Re: why does this not work and how do you do it?

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Peter,

No, I don't think this is specific to Linux. There are similar  
problems on Mac OS X.


"The other odd thing" might be yet another bug in Rev or a problem in  
your script. You might want to tell us more about it.


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On 10 apr 2008, at 08:36, Peter Alcibiades wrote:


Jacque and Mark -  thanks, "select the text of" does indeed work.  I'd
previously
tried 'select after' which did not work.

It must definitely be a bug then, and apparently specific to the Linux
build?
Its a very specific problem.  Its not that focus on field does not  
work.  On

the
same screen I have a backup handler at card level to trap  
miscellaneous

mouse clicks and
restore focus to the field.  That one does work fine.






The other odd thing about this is,  there is a card script which  
just does

focus on field
if there is a mouse up.  This works fine if you click anywhere on the
screen.  But it does
not work if it is invoked by 'send mouseUp to this card'.


Peter


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Re: It's almost that time.

[runrev260805]

David,

that works with Axialis Workshop without problems.
Maybe there is free software also to do this job. But IconWorkshop is worth 
paying for it.
And remember you pay once and get lifetime upgrades.

Regards,

Matthias Rebbe


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Subject: It's almost that time. (10-Apr-2008 6:43)
From:David Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Hello folks,
> I'm very rapidly running out of things to do on my current project and
> have found that I do not own any software capable of producing a
> custom Icon suitable to the Rev specifications.
> 
> Previously, all of the app's I've built with Rev have never been
> targeted towards the general public, so it didn't matter... not so any
> longer. :)
> 
> Can anyone tell me if Axialis IconWorkshop for Windows will handle the
> job properly? If not, can someone suggest a Windows title that will
> work specific to icon building (I already have image editing software
> that I enjoy using) and preferably without breaking the piggy bank in
> the process?
> 
> Much appreciated,
> David
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Re: It's almost that time.

[David Coker]

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 4:55 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> David,
>
>  that works with Axialis Workshop without problems.
>  Maybe there is free software also to do this job. But IconWorkshop is worth 
> paying for it.
>  And remember you pay once and get lifetime upgrades.
>
>  Regards,
>
>  Matthias Rebbe
>

Thanks to all that replied...

Both Matthias & Terry were spot on! Axialis IconWorkshop works great
and is just the type of software I was hoping to find. It does one job
very well, it's easy to use, I don't have to learn to use another
massive image editing software title and it won't break the piggy
bank.
The perfect solution from my end.

David
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Re: It's almost that time.

[David Coker]

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 5:04 AM, Mark Schonewille
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi David,
>
>  It is not much of a graphics editor, but the best icon maker for windows I
> have ever seen is the freeware tool IcoFX. It is simple and does exactly
> what you expect. For editing, I'd use Photoshop or Gimp.
>
>  For Mac, I use Apple's Icon Composer, which has been mentioned earlier in
> this thread already.
>
>  Best regards,
>
>  Mark Schonewille
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Looks like we posted about the same time. :)
Thanks for the info Mark!

David
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Re: It's almost that time.

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi David,

It is not much of a graphics editor, but the best icon maker for  
windows I have ever seen is the freeware tool IcoFX. It is simple and  
does exactly what you expect. For editing, I'd use Photoshop or Gimp.


For Mac, I use Apple's Icon Composer, which has been mentioned earlier  
in this thread already.


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On 10 apr 2008, at 03:43, David Coker wrote:




Can anyone tell me if Axialis IconWorkshop for Windows will handle the
job properly? If not, can someone suggest a Windows title that will
work specific to icon building




Much appreciated,
David


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Re: good Rev demos

[Björnke von Gierke]

On 10 Apr 2008, at 05:47, Colin Holgate wrote:
I have a couple of presentations in early May, to groups that are  
mostly into Flash, and I'll be showing them Revolution. Are there  
good examples of what Revolution has been used for that I could show?


The problem with flash vs rev comparisons is that flash excels exactly  
where rev has the biggest deficits: Fast and reliable animation and  
impressive support for vector graphics. Obviously your flash users did  
choose flash because of it's strengths, and not it's weaknesses.


Said that, I always find these things interesting about Rev:

repeat for each, chunks and data handling
 - http://support.runrev.com/scriptingconferences/ (unfortunately,  
link broken)

 - http://runrev.com/developers/tutorials/
(almost) native look on 3 platforms
 - best to just compile test app for 3 platforms at once
IDE made with the same language (this especially would be very hard  
with flash)

 - Glx2 script editor -> http://www.daniels-mara.com/glx2/
 - BvG Docu -> http://www.bjoernke.com/runrev/stacks.php (i made this)
 - Metacard ->  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MC_IDE/ (alternative ide)

If you want to show how rev handles the strengths of flash, then look  
at these:


Web development:
 - http://www.himalayanacademy.com/ (mostly made with rev cgi)
 - http://www.fourthworld.com/products/webmerge/index.html
 - http://www.altuit.com/webs/hemingway/hemingway/default.htm
Creating Buttons:
 - http://www.buttongadget.com/buttongadget2/default.htm
 - http://www.tactilemedia.com (navigate to "media", because it's  
flash)

Animation:
 - http://www.runrev.com/products/related-software/animation-engine-2/

I'm sure there are thousand of other examples, but these came to mind  
immediately. In the end it hugely depends on what you actually want to  
show.


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Re: good Rev demos

[Colin Holgate]

On Apr 10, 2008, at 8:21 AM, Björnke von Gierke wrote:



- http://runrev.com/developers/tutorials/



Thanks for the various links. I'm not trying to show how Rev would do  
Flash like things, I'm hoping to find examples that would leave a  
Flash person jealous about how hard it would be to do the same thing  
in Flash. revBrowser is a good example of something that would be hard  
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Re: good Rev demos

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Colin,

I don't think that you will be able to impress those Flash programmers  
much. They want to make on-line games and while that's about the only  
thing Flash is capable of, it does it much better than Revolution will  
ever do. If you were to compare Revolution with Filemaker, you might  
impress your audience with readily available server and database  
capabilities in a very flexible and easily adjustable interface.  
Perhaps you might also find a grateful public amongst web programmers  
who use a combination of Perl, Python, MySQL and Apache, now that  
Revolution is less demanding if used as a CGI engine. Naturally, you  
might try a comparison between RealBasic, SuperCard, HyperStudio 5 (if  
that's ever released), XCode and .NET. You will probably be able to  
find some people who'd like to switch to Revolution. Flash however...  
nah... no chance, Flash is too different. They'll just shrug.


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On 10 apr 2008, at 05:47, Colin Holgate wrote:
I have a couple of presentations in early May, to groups that are  
mostly into Flash, and I'll be showing them Revolution. Are there  
good examples of what Revolution has been used for that I could  
show? Obvious I'm not thinking to compete with Flash in terms of in- 
browser applications, but Rev could compare well against Flash based  
things such as Adobe AIR and Flex.




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Re: good Rev demos

[Trevor DeVore]

On Apr 9, 2008, at 11:47 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:
I have a couple of presentations in early May, to groups that are  
mostly into Flash, and I'll be showing them Revolution. Are there  
good examples of what Revolution has been used for that I could  
show? Obvious I'm not thinking to compete with Flash in terms of in- 
browser applications, but Rev could compare well against Flash based  
things such as Adobe AIR and Flex.


Hi Colin,

Maybe this isn't exactly what you are looking to show but one of my  
favorite features of Rev is the fact that you don't need to compile  
your application each time you want to test it. Personally I found  
this very time consuming with Flash and other environments that  
require you to compile.


If you design your application using the splash screen technique then  
you can be writing code on OS X and as soon as you save your script in  
the IDE you can double-click to launch the executable for testing on a  
Windows machine running on your network or in a VM. I think Rev's  
"always on" development environment provides you more time to  
experiment with your UI because you don't have to wait to compile each  
time you want to see how a change is going to look/work. For me this  
is one of the key differentiators between Rev and the other desktop  
development environments that I am aware of.


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Re: good Rev demos

[Colin Holgate]

On Apr 10, 2008, at 9:21 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

They want to make on-line games and while that's about the only  
thing Flash is capable of,


That's a good example of why I'm doing the presentation that I'm  
doing. A lot of people believe in their own tool a lot and don't spend  
any time finding out the abilities of other tools. Many people believe  
that HyperCard and Revolution are only good for making address book  
stacks. Director is only any use for making slide shows, Flash can  
only do online games.


There is an overlap between the Flash crowd and the Rev crowd, and  
that's with standalone applications. The Flash crowd can make  
applications that are delivered via AIR, or Internet applications  
using Flex. Those are the kinds of things that Rev can also do, and  
most likely in a faster, more cross platform friendly way. If I can  
show example like that, the people using Flex may well reluctantly be  
impressed!



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Re: good Rev demos

[Mark Schonewille]

Colin,

What kind of applications can be made in Flash that could also be made  
in Revolution, (apart from games and interactive content that is  
usually provided on-line)?


Why do you think that Rev can deliver applications via Air or Flex in  
a faster, more cross-platform friendly way?


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On 10 apr 2008, at 15:43, Colin Holgate wrote:


On Apr 10, 2008, at 9:21 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

They want to make on-line games and while that's about the only  
thing Flash is capable of,


That's a good example of why I'm doing the presentation that I'm  
doing. A lot of people believe in their own tool a lot and don't  
spend any time finding out the abilities of other tools. Many people  
believe that HyperCard and Revolution are only good for making  
address book stacks. Director is only any use for making slide  
shows, Flash can only do online games.


There is an overlap between the Flash crowd and the Rev crowd, and  
that's with standalone applications. The Flash crowd can make  
applications that are delivered via AIR, or Internet applications  
using Flex. Those are the kinds of things that Rev can also do, and  
most likely in a faster, more cross platform friendly way. If I can  
show example like that, the people using Flex may well reluctantly  
be impressed!


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Re: good Rev demos

[Colin Holgate]

On Apr 10, 2008, at 9:36 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

For me this is one of the key differentiators between Rev and the  
other desktop development environments that I am aware of.


To a degree you can do that in Director. You can make graphic and text  
changes to the application while you're running it. You can look  
through the code, trace out variables, do message box like tests, all  
without stopping the application. It is certainly an aspect of  
development that Flash lacks!


I have no trouble pointing out the way that you work with Rev, and how  
good that can be. But I'll also try to show examples of completed  
applications to show what can be achieved given more than a few  
minutes of demo time.



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Re: good Rev demos

[Björnke von Gierke]

On 10 Apr 2008, at 15:43, Colin Holgate wrote:
There is an overlap between the Flash crowd and the Rev crowd, and  
that's with standalone applications. The Flash crowd can make  
applications that are delivered via AIR, or Internet applications  
using Flex. Those are the kinds of things that Rev can also do, and  
most likely in a faster, more cross platform friendly way. If I can  
show example like that, the people using Flex may well reluctantly  
be impressed!


There are many standalone applications, some I have already linked.  
Obviously you can take any stack and make a standalone out of it. One  
example of a complex stack which lends itself to that is obviously  
ChatRev, another one would be RevZilla.


There are a few games available, for example by Malte Brill  or Karl Becker . Mark Schonewille makes  
standalones which are more Data oriented ,  
Eric Chattonet has applications that do use the browser external , etc.


There are of course many more Rev products, but I think most of Rev  
work is done on comission basis, and can't really be shown around  
because of that. I still think you should specify your demand a bit  
more, as just asking for every rev application on the planet is not a  
good way to get information about those that you actually want.


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Re: good Rev demos

[Devin Asay]

Colin,

I use a custom-built Rev launcher app called Learning Web to deliver  
learning module stacks over the internet to students at home. It also  
allows you to  launch any server-based stack by entering a text URL.  
You're welcome to have a look at it and use it as demo if you'd like.  
You can download the launcher engine from http://hlrc.byu.edu. Look  
for the Learning Web link at the lower left. Contact me off-list if  
you have any other questions about it.


Regards,

Devin

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On Apr 9, 2008, at 9:47 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:
I have a couple of presentations in early May, to groups that are  
mostly into Flash, and I'll be showing them Revolution. Are there  
good examples of what Revolution has been used for that I could  
show? Obvious I'm not thinking to compete with Flash in terms of in- 
browser applications, but Rev could compare well against Flash  
based things such as Adobe AIR and Flex.



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Re: good Rev demos

[Colin Holgate]

At 4:18 PM +0200 4/10/08, Björnke von Gierke wrote:
I still think you should specify your demand a 
bit more, as just asking for every rev 
application on the planet is not a good way to 
get information about those that you actually 
want.


I think I have enough leads now! It is a bit 
abstract a request, I know, but I want to show 
things that are both not a stereotypical 
HyperCard like stack, and not something that a 
Flash person would say "oh I could do that in 
about 10 minutes in Flash". The more like a 
standard OSX app they look the better, because 
even if you could do something on those lines in 
Flash, it would no doubt have that Flash-like 
feel to it, enough to not feel like a real 
application.


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Re: good Rev demos

[Richard Gaskin]

Colin Holgate wrote:

On Apr 10, 2008, at 9:21 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
They want to make on-line games and while that's about the only  
thing Flash is capable of,


That's a good example of why I'm doing the presentation that I'm  
doing. A lot of people believe in their own tool a lot and don't spend  
any time finding out the abilities of other tools. Many people believe  
that HyperCard and Revolution are only good for making address book  
stacks. Director is only any use for making slide shows, Flash can  
only do online games.


There is an overlap between the Flash crowd and the Rev crowd, and  
that's with standalone applications. The Flash crowd can make  
applications that are delivered via AIR, or Internet applications  
using Flex. Those are the kinds of things that Rev can also do, and  
most likely in a faster, more cross platform friendly way. If I can  
show example like that, the people using Flex may well reluctantly be  
impressed!


Well said.  It's too easy for anyone using any tool exclusively to 
unintentionally get a certain myopia.  But the variety of tools in this 
world exist for a reason, each with its strengths and weaknesses.  A 
healthy perspective about what the rest of the world is up to can only 
be helpful, and can often lead to improvements in each tool.


As for demos, you might find RevNet amusing.  It's bundled in Rev, at:

   Development->Plugins->GoRevNet

It started with the question, "How long would it take to make something 
like the AOL client in Rev?"  The answer turned about to be, "About two 
hours." :)


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Re: good Rev demos

[Richard Gaskin]

Richard Gaskin wrote:

As for demos, you might find RevNet amusing.  It's bundled in Rev, at:

Development->Plugins->GoRevNet

It started with the question, "How long would it take to make something 
like the AOL client in Rev?"  The answer turned about to be, "About two 
hours." :)


I forgot to mention that the CGIs RevNet uses are also written with Rev, 
so it's an example of using Rev on both client and server ends of a 'Net 
app.


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Re: good Rev demos

[Mark Schonewille]

Colin,

If you want to demo a OSX-only app, you might want to have a look at . This programme records screen actions and turns them into a  
QuickTime movie. I don't know whether Flash can do this, but if they  
can't I think they would envy us Rev users. Make sure to experiment  
with it before doing a demo. Write me off-list if you need help (or  
write me off-list anyway, if you're going to use it).


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On 10 apr 2008, at 16:50, Colin Holgate wrote:



I think I have enough leads now! It is a bit abstract a request, I  
know, but I want to show things that are both not a stereotypical  
HyperCard like stack, and not something that a Flash person would  
say "oh I could do that in about 10 minutes in Flash". The more like  
a standard OSX app they look the better, because even if you could  
do something on those lines in Flash, it would no doubt have that  
Flash-like feel to it, enough to not feel like a real application.


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Re: good Rev demos

[Colin Holgate]

At 3:58 PM +0200 4/10/08, Mark Schonewille wrote:
Why do you think that Rev can deliver applications via Air or Flex 
in a faster, more cross-platform friendly way?


That sounds like two things I said mixed together. Flash thingies can 
be made as standalone applications capable of interacting with your 
file system by publishing them as AIR apps. Flex can be used to 
develop rapid Internet applications that are played via the Flash 
player in browsers. In both cases the applications would have a Flash 
or Flex like feel to them, and would be the same on Mac and Windows.


Rev wouldn't do anything via AIR or Flex, it doesn't need to, it 
makes its own applications. And those applications can more easily be 
made to look correct for each OS. For a lot of people that would a 
big benefit, and such apps could be made a lot faster than in Flash.


Sometime I might make some screen recordings of non-game Flash things 
for you to see, but not right now. At the moment I'm trying to 
convince Flash people that Revolution is a tool worth knowing about, 
not the other way around. There are already too many Flash developers!


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2.9 Freeze on OSX

[Thomas McGrath III]

Ok, now that the 2.9 version has been out for a little while I need to  
know how many people are experiencing the Freeze while performing a  
Save problem (computer lock up with force restart the only way out).


I can not use 2.9 at all since it now happens every time I go to save  
after writing some code. I have installed RR from scratch and repaired  
permissions on my HD and removed most extra preference panes etc. from  
my system and still have the instant freezes when saving with 2.9.


This does NOT happen with 2.8 which I am using everyday. The same  
stacks will freeze in 2.9 but not in 2.8.



How many people are experiencing this Freeze on Save???


Thanks

Tom
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Re: 2.9 Freeze on OSX

[Pierre Sahores]

Tom,

No freeze there in using 2.9 GM1 (MacBookPro 15 Dual Core 2 Ghz 2 Go  
RAM OS 10.5.2).


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Le 10 avr. 08 à 17:19, Thomas McGrath III a écrit :
Ok, now that the 2.9 version has been out for a little while I need  
to know how many people are experiencing the Freeze while performing  
a Save problem (computer lock up with force restart the only way out).


I can not use 2.9 at all since it now happens every time I go to  
save after writing some code. I have installed RR from scratch and  
repaired permissions on my HD and removed most extra preference  
panes etc. from my system and still have the instant freezes when  
saving with 2.9.


This does NOT happen with 2.8 which I am using everyday. The same  
stacks will freeze in 2.9 but not in 2.8.



How many people are experiencing this Freeze on Save???


Thanks

Tom
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Re: 2.9 Freeze on OSX

[Marian Petrides, M.D.]

I am experiencing Rev 2.9 freezups (requiring that I force quit to get  
out, sometimes necessitating a reboot), but I'm thinking they occur  
when I try to quit Rev rather than when I try to save changes.   
Haven't worked the details out yet (sorry!) and haven't had enough  
problem to stop in the middle of working on my current project to  
figure things out.


M

On Apr 10, 2008, at 10:19 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

Ok, now that the 2.9 version has been out for a little while I need  
to know how many people are experiencing the Freeze while performing  
a Save problem (computer lock up with force restart the only way out).


I can not use 2.9 at all since it now happens every time I go to  
save after writing some code. I have installed RR from scratch and  
repaired permissions on my HD and removed most extra preference  
panes etc. from my system and still have the instant freezes when  
saving with 2.9.


This does NOT happen with 2.8 which I am using everyday. The same  
stacks will freeze in 2.9 but not in 2.8.



How many people are experiencing this Freeze on Save???


Thanks

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Re: 2.9 Freeze on OSX

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Tom,

I'm using 2.9 all day now without any of such freezes. Do you also  
see a spinning beachball of death, or do you still see an arrow  
cursor when you move the mouse cursor over Rev windows?


Best,

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Op 10-apr-2008, om 17:19 heeft Thomas McGrath III het volgende  
geschreven:
Ok, now that the 2.9 version has been out for a little while I need  
to know how many people are experiencing the Freeze while  
performing a Save problem (computer lock up with force restart the  
only way out).


I can not use 2.9 at all since it now happens every time I go to  
save after writing some code. I have installed RR from scratch and  
repaired permissions on my HD and removed most extra preference  
panes etc. from my system and still have the instant freezes when  
saving with 2.9.


This does NOT happen with 2.8 which I am using everyday. The same  
stacks will freeze in 2.9 but not in 2.8.



How many people are experiencing this Freeze on Save???


Thanks

Tom



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RE: good Rev demos

[Lynn Fredricks]

> I don't think that you will be able to impress those Flash 
> programmers much. They want to make on-line games and while 
> that's about the only thing Flash is capable of, it does it 
> much better than Revolution will ever do. If you were to 
> compare Revolution with Filemaker, you might impress your 
> audience with readily available server and database 
> capabilities in a very flexible and easily adjustable interface.

I would argue that teamed with Valentina, you already have that. With VDN
Platform Edition (Revolution), you can deploy Embedded Server/Revolution
solutions on Windows, Linux and Mac OS X. A 5-Connection server you can
deploy in unlimited quantities, and an "unlimited" connection server that's
about as economical as it gets.

FM makes a lot of things very easy - at the same time, that ease comes with
many technical limitations.
  
> Perhaps you might also find a grateful public amongst web 
> programmers who use a combination of Perl, Python, MySQL and 
> Apache, now that Revolution is less demanding if used as a 
> CGI engine. Naturally, you might try a comparison between 
> RealBasic, SuperCard, HyperStudio 5 (if that's ever 
> released), XCode and .NET. You will probably be able to find 
> some people who'd like to switch to Revolution. Flash however...  
> nah... no chance, Flash is too different. They'll just shrug.

I weigh all comparisons about equally - adding a new tool means you'll have
access to more customers who particularly want a feature that others don't
provide - as solution providers, that's not a bad thing. There are things
that RR cannot do well or at all, that Flash can do very well - and the
opposite is very true. And many a strength can also be turned around into a
weakness. Ive had developers tell me "oh, I can do that a-okay in my
favorite tool!" - and the results look terrible.

If I want to lay out a responsive, native looking application on
Win/Mac/Linux, the list of candidates is pretty small. Add or subtract a
platform, and the list changes again.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

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Re: 2.9 Freeze on OSX

[Ian Wood]

On 10 Apr 2008, at 16:19, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


How many people are experiencing this Freeze on Save???


Nope, the only freeze I had was when running an AppleScript that  
wasn't completing, but Rev eventually became responsive again once it  
timed out.


Rev 2.9.0 gm1, OS X 10.5.2 on a rev A MBP.

Ian
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Re: good Rev demos

[Mark Schonewille]

Lynn,

My point is that one doesn't need any additional expensive software  
to turn Revolution into a server, while Filemaker does require a  
special server/developer version. That's a good way to impress  
Filemaker users, I'd say.


My second point is that software users who use mainly Flash won't be  
impressed by Revolution's capabilities to make interactive  
animations. To make those people use Rev, you first need to convince  
them that they don't want to make interactive animations :-)


From a company's point of few, it is surely a good thing to have  
more than one tool available for specialised tasks.


Best,

Mark

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Op 10-apr-2008, om 17:52 heeft Lynn Fredricks het volgende geschreven:



I would argue that teamed with Valentina, you already have that.  
With VDN
Platform Edition (Revolution), you can deploy Embedded Server/ 
Revolution
solutions on Windows, Linux and Mac OS X. A 5-Connection server you  
can
deploy in unlimited quantities, and an "unlimited" connection  
server that's

about as economical as it gets.

FM makes a lot of things very easy - at the same time, that ease  
comes with

many technical limitations.


I weigh all comparisons about equally - adding a new tool means  
you'll have
access to more customers who particularly want a feature that  
others don't
provide - as solution providers, that's not a bad thing. There are  
things
that RR cannot do well or at all, that Flash can do very well - and  
the
opposite is very true. And many a strength can also be turned  
around into a

weakness. Ive had developers tell me "oh, I can do that a-okay in my
favorite tool!" - and the results look terrible.

If I want to lay out a responsive, native looking application on
Win/Mac/Linux, the list of candidates is pretty small. Add or  
subtract a

platform, and the list changes again.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks


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Re: good Rev demos

[Colin Holgate]

At 6:04 PM +0200 4/10/08, Mark Schonewille wrote:
My second point is that software users who use mainly Flash won't be 
impressed by Revolution's capabilities to make interactive 
animations. To make those people use Rev, you first need to convince 
them that they don't want to make interactive animations :-)



Which they often don't want to do. As an example of what should 
impress these people, here's a screen recording I posted to a 
Director list:


http://staff.funnygarbage.com/colin/revui.mov

Something as simple as that is way beyond what Director can do, and 
although you can do something like that with Flash, the controls 
wouldn't be OS like, and not changeable with a menu selection.


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Why doesn't start using work?

[william humphrey]

on preOpenStack

start using stack "lib.bmm.Database"


-- The above used to work in 2.8 but now I notice it isn't working in 2.9.
Could it have changed? Or perhaps I have another issue in the start-ups for
that stack that is stopping it? Although you would think that "preopen"
would load first.  Any thoughts?


If I go to the application browser and double click on the
"libb.bmm.Database" stack then after that everything is fine.
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Re: It's almost that time.

[gaich software service]

...have a look at

http://icofx.ro/downloads.html

IcoFx is a free windows icon editor, but you can save icons as Mac 
Icons, too.


best
Günter


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Re: It's almost that time

[FlexibleLearning]

Hi David,

Try Iconomaker if it's for Windows. It's free, generates  all the required 
bit-depth and sizes needed for a Rev app desktop icon, and  includes a 
transparency layer.

The latest release of the application can be downloaded from the  following 
links: 

Exe-file:  http://www.iconempire.com/downloads/iconomaker.exe
Zip-file:  http://www.iconempire.com/downloads/iconomaker.zip

You can find these  links on the following  pages:

http://www.iconempire.com/download.htm
http://free-icon-editor.com

/H



-Original  Message-

Hello folks,
I'm very rapidly running out of things to do  on my current project and
have found that I do not own any software capable  of producing a
custom Icon suitable to the Rev  specifications.

Previously, all of the app's I've built with Rev have  never been
targeted towards the general public, so it didn't matter... not so  any
longer. :)

Can anyone tell me if Axialis IconWorkshop for Windows  will handle the
job properly? If not, can someone suggest a Windows title  that will
work specific to icon building (I already have image editing  software
that I enjoy using) and preferably without breaking the piggy bank  in
the process?

Much appreciated,
David
 



   
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RE: good Rev demos

[Lynn Fredricks]

Hi Mark,

> My point is that one doesn't need any additional expensive 
> software to turn Revolution into a server, while Filemaker 
> does require a special server/developer version. That's a 
> good way to impress Filemaker users, I'd say.

Right - but comparatively speaking, we arent hurting.

I can tell you that Paradigma gets a LOT of Filemaker users who have hit the
limits of what FM can do. There's nothing quite like running a query that
takes all day on FM against oodles of records, when you can have it done
during a short lunch break with Valentina.

Couple that with the rich interfaces you can build with Revolution on all
three platforms (with 2.9), and there is much rejoicing.


> My second point is that software users who use mainly Flash 
> won't be impressed by Revolution's capabilities to make 
> interactive animations. To make those people use Rev, you 
> first need to convince them that they don't want to make 
> interactive animations :-)

Right - I won't argue with you there - Flash is all about fast 2D animation
through a common runtime. Rev wont beat it at its own game. But then again -
"one tool" thinking is disasterous, even if it's a popular tool like Flash.

I can get Flash animations done at very little cost - the only reason why Id
pay more for Flash animation is if its part of a greater work because I can
get most done at commoditized rates. And often, that greater work requires
integration of multiple technologies that I can't get on the cheap.

This is just like knowing "HTML". Think back 10-12 years when someone who
new more than how to use "blink" could command a reasonable salary. Now my
outsourcers can outsource that to their neighbor's cousin's middle school
son :-)

>  From a company's point of few, it is surely a good thing to 
> have more than one tool available for specialised tasks.

When you love a tool or technology, its easy to forget this. It makes me
think of the companies that were crushed because they invested in OpenDoc
years back and loved it to death, even while it was put to death by Apple.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

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RE: good Rev demos

[Lynn Fredricks]

> Which they often don't want to do. As an example of what 
> should impress these people, here's a screen recording I 
> posted to a Director list:
> 
> http://staff.funnygarbage.com/colin/revui.mov
> 
> Something as simple as that is way beyond what Director can 
> do, and although you can do something like that with Flash, 
> the controls wouldn't be OS like, and not changeable with a 
> menu selection.

Colin,

I wish the rest of your message to the Director list had been as positive as
this. 

When we offered a very nice competitive sidegrade to Director users it would
have been appreciated if you'd been more supportive and not shot it down as
the flavor of the week. That just tells people there's no reason to bother
looking now - which means they will not look. Since Director's been around
for so long - there's a mighty big tribe of Director users who show much
skepticism over anything new or different.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 

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My new app - Aperture Assistant

[Ian Wood]

Hi all,

Some of you may remember the help I got on the list a few months ago  
regarding finding dupes from long lists...


Finally, you can see the app this was for as it's now in public beta  
testing:


http://aperture-assistant.com

Aperture Assistant is an automation helper for Apple's Aperture  
program, which allows the user to set up complex workflows by building  
drag-n-drop flowcharts.



On to Rev stuff.

This is by far my most complex app so far, and a LOT of thanks go out  
to all the people on this list. Due to the large number of functions  
(some of which get used elsewhere) it's mostly based on a series of  
library stacks for the heavy lifting:


apertureLib does all the interaction with Aperture, in many cases via  
AppleScript but also with a lot of direct access to the SQLite3 DB for  
faster access to data, and to data that Aperture's dictionary doesn't  
reveal. It's running at ~2,400 lines of code split between 95  
handlers, most of which have to split depending on the version of  
Aperture that's running.


There's a visuals library that currently just fades stacks in and out  
nicely using a repeat and the blendlevel, but that's only 20 lines or  
so.


Next is a little logging library which keeps a timed log whenever it's  
called to help with speed optimisations by finding the chokepoints,  
there's also a second log which can be added to and eventually shown  
to the end user with some formatting, showing exactly what happened at  
each step of the flowchart.


Then there's a Burn Folder library which copies a 'template' OS X Burn  
Folder out of the app package into the regular Finder and adds files  
to it until it would be full, then copies the template folder again.


Finally, a library for adding image files and text to Keynote  
presentations, but this one is really rough around the edges,  
currently using GUI scripting to move things around on each slide.


If anyone's interested in the log, burn and Keynote libraries I can  
stick them up on RevOnline with a few comments to get people started.


Special thanks go to Ken Ray for his XML library and Trevor DeVore for  
the QT external, although it's not used in this app. Scott Rossi will  
find the main prgoress indicator looks... 'familiar'. ;-) And of  
course Runrev!



Now to go do some more screengrabs and videocasts...

Ian

P.S. The 'export snapshot from object' function came in really handy  
when generating a lot of the documentation images on the website.

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Re: Why doesn't start using work?

[Mark Swindell]

Similar question that I don't understand:

Why does my "start Using Stack x" place its scripts behind the script  
editor's scripts?  In this case, when I have a resumeStack handler, it  
is triggered by opening up Rev's properties panel.  Is this the  
expected behavior?  I thought these scripts were to run in front of  
Rev, but behind my stack.  This seems like new behavior to me.


Thanks
Mark


On Apr 10, 2008, at 9:27 AM, william humphrey wrote:


on preOpenStack

   start using stack "lib.bmm.Database"


-- The above used to work in 2.8 but now I notice it isn't working  
in 2.9.
Could it have changed? Or perhaps I have another issue in the start- 
ups for
that stack that is stopping it? Although you would think that  
"preopen"

would load first.  Any thoughts?


If I go to the application browser and double click on the
"libb.bmm.Database" stack then after that everything is fine.
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Thanks,
Mark



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RE: good Rev demos

[Colin Holgate]

At 10:04 AM -0700 4/10/08, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

That just tells people there's no reason to bother
looking now - which means they will not look


You may have scanned over my message too quickly, and missed this part:

"if you're tempted you may as well go for it with this particular deal."

I don't think I was incorrect in saying that there are frequent 
special offers involving Revolution, but I did make the point above, 
that this deal was good enough to be taken, and no need to wait for 
another deal to come along.


There's a fine balance to achieve when promoting one product on a 
competing product's email list. It can't all be glowing praise 
(unless it's a completely flawless product), because people won't 
take you seriously. If you try to be honest about good and bad 
points, hopefully they will believe the good points.


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Re: good Rev demos

[J. Landman Gay]

Björnke von Gierke wrote:

There are a few games available, for example by Malte Brill 
 or Karl Becker . 


I also have some:

Blocks: RevOnline, user "Jacque", or 



Casey's Solitaire: 

Klondike:

JQ Boggle: http://www.hyperactivesw.com/Products/JQBogl.html


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Re: ANN: Debug

[Mark Wieder]

Jacque-

> I just got around to pursuing this, but it crashes Rev when I try to 
> download. I can find the stack in RevOnline, but when I click the "Go to" 
> button Rev immediately crashes. Other stacks in RevOnline don't do that, 
> so I'm assuming there is something in the stack's opening code that Rev 
> doesn't like. :(

I'd post the stack on my website, but JaguarPC deleted all my files and I 
haven't gotten around to resurrecting the site yet...

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Re: Why doesn't start using work?

[william humphrey]

In 2.8 my "Start using" handler worked. I'm not experienced enough to debug
this...

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Mark Swindell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Similar question that I don't understand:
>
> Why does my "start Using Stack x" place its scripts behind the script
> editor's scripts?  In this case, when I have a resumeStack handler, it is
> triggered by opening up Rev's properties panel.  Is this the expected
> behavior?  I thought these scripts were to run in front of Rev, but behind
> my stack.  This seems like new behavior to me.
>
> Thanks
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Apr 10, 2008, at 9:27 AM, william humphrey wrote:
>
>  on preOpenStack
> >
> >   start using stack "lib.bmm.Database"
> >
> >
> > -- The above used to work in 2.8 but now I notice it isn't working in
> > 2.9.
> > Could it have changed? Or perhaps I have another issue in the start-ups
> > for
> > that stack that is stopping it? Although you would think that "preopen"
> > would load first.  Any thoughts?
> >
> >
> > If I go to the application browser and double click on the
> > "libb.bmm.Database" stack then after that everything is fine.
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Bug? Rev app creates invisible files?

[Phil Davis]

Has anyone else run into this with 2.9? Have you already BZ'd it?

I maintain an app that has an auto-update feature. It uses 
libUrlDownloadToFile to download files from a server under temp names; 
then it renames them to their correct names, replacing older files by 
those same names.


The process works perfectly with the 2.8.1 engine (Mac & Win 
standalones, Mac IDE) but not with 2.9.0 (tested in Mac IDE only). In 
2.9.0 the newly downloaded & renamed files are invisible from the 
Desktop! But they are there - my app couldn't start up without them.


I was able to make them visible by locating them on my local computer 
with Interarchy and selecting "Reveal in Finder". That made them visible 
from the desktop one by one as I selected them that way.


The phenomenon is not limited to files created with 
libUrlDownloadToFile. It also happens when my app script puts test data 
into url ("file:" & someFileName). The new text file is invisible from 
the desktop.


Thanks everyone -
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Re: Bug? Rev app creates invisible files?

[Ian Wood]

On 10 Apr 2008, at 19:03, Phil Davis wrote:

The phenomenon is not limited to files created with  
libUrlDownloadToFile. It also happens when my app script puts test  
data into url ("file:" & someFileName). The new text file is  
invisible from the desktop.


Is there any chance that the file name starts with a period?

Ian
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Re: Bug? Rev app creates invisible files?

[Phil Davis]

Ian Wood wrote:


On 10 Apr 2008, at 19:03, Phil Davis wrote:

The phenomenon is not limited to files created with 
libUrlDownloadToFile. It also happens when my app script puts test 
data into url ("file:" & someFileName). The new text file is 
invisible from the desktop.


Is there any chance that the file name starts with a period?


Nope. None.



Ian

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RE: good Rev demos

[Lynn Fredricks]

> You may have scanned over my message too quickly, and missed 
> this part:
> 
> "if you're tempted you may as well go for it with this 
> particular deal."

= if you have already evaluated it. Most have never looked at Revolution.
Your post did not encourage that, but the opposite that there's no reason to
hurry to make that evaluation. "Mature" tech tribes are quick to turn away
from solutions they do not know, and any negative is interpreted as reason
enough not to evaluate.

> There's a fine balance to achieve when promoting one product 
> on a competing product's email list. It can't all be glowing 
> praise (unless it's a completely flawless product), because 
> people won't take you seriously. If you try to be honest 
> about good and bad points, hopefully they will believe the 
> good points.

Right, but that wasn't the message either. I wouldn't slam Director for not
being Rev - Director has its good points and there's no reason to wholesale
drop Director for another product. Asking someone to drop their much loved
products and rewrite them, and drop their long time IDE is like asking a
happily married man to drop kick his kid and wife out of his house.

Rev provides a different set of capabilities that adds to the toolbox of the
the purchaser - that may be a much better fit for new projects than
Director.

Best regards,

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Rev GM1?

[Mark Swindell]

I don't find that I received notification of a download for this.  Am  
I entitled to it?  Where is it located?

Thanks,
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RE: good Rev demos

[Colin Holgate]

At 11:20 AM -0700 4/10/08, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

Most have never looked at Revolution.
Your post did not encourage that, but the opposite that there's no reason to
hurry to make that evaluation.


I think that posting a screen recording of something that should 
impress the Director crowd could be counted as encouraging people to 
consider it. In doing the screen recording I carefully avoided 
triggering the several bugs that I usually run into when doing those 
actions, because I was only trying to make Revolution look good, not 
bad.


You're in the business of selling Revolution, I'm not, so I'm bound 
to be at a lower level when it comes to marketing the product. I did 
at least try to make people aware that it could do things that they 
wished Director could do.


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Re: Rev GM1?

[Marian Petrides, M.D.]

Mark

I think GM1 (presumably Gold Master 1) is the release version  (2.9.0   
Build 610).


If you have a current update package you qualify for it.  I believe  
certain purchasers of 2.7.x (those who purchased before a particular  
date) are also entitled to a free upgrade to 2.9.0 but I don't recall  
all the details.


Marian

On Apr 10, 2008, at 1:23 PM, Mark Swindell wrote:

I don't find that I received notification of a download for this.   
Am I entitled to it?  Where is it located?

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Re: Rev GM1?

[Pierre Sahores]

Hi Mark,

As long as i know, Rev_2.9.0-gm-1 (Rev 2.9.0 build 610) is the current  
version available for shipping.


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Le 10 avr. 08 à 20:23, Mark Swindell a écrit :
I don't find that I received notification of a download for this.   
Am I entitled to it?  Where is it located?

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Re: Bug? Rev app creates invisible files?

[Phil Davis]

Hmmm. Thanks Jim.

Phil
OSX 10.4.11
Intel mini
Rev 2.9.0 build 610


Jim Sims wrote:


On Apr 10, 2008, at 8:03 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
The phenomenon is not limited to files created with 
libUrlDownloadToFile. It also happens when my app script puts test 
data into url ("file:" & someFileName). The new text file is 
invisible from the desktop.



I just made a btn that has:

on mouseUp
  put "BOB" into URL "file:1950BOB.txt"
end mouseUp

The file is visible.

OS X  10.5.2
PowerPC G4
Rev 2.9.0 build 610


sims

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Re: Bug? Rev app creates invisible files?

[Jim Sims]

On Apr 10, 2008, at 8:03 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
The phenomenon is not limited to files created with  
libUrlDownloadToFile. It also happens when my app script puts test  
data into url ("file:" & someFileName). The new text file is  
invisible from the desktop.



I just made a btn that has:

on mouseUp
  put "BOB" into URL "file:1950BOB.txt"
end mouseUp

The file is visible.

OS X  10.5.2
PowerPC G4
Rev 2.9.0 build 610


sims

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RE: good Rev demos

[Lynn Fredricks]

> At 11:20 AM -0700 4/10/08, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
> >Most have never looked at Revolution.
> >Your post did not encourage that, but the opposite that there's no 
> >reason to hurry to make that evaluation.
> 
> I think that posting a screen recording of something that 
> should impress the Director crowd could be counted as 
> encouraging people to consider it. In doing the screen 
> recording I carefully avoided triggering the several bugs 
> that I usually run into when doing those actions, because I 
> was only trying to make Revolution look good, not bad.

The screen recording was nice, but I don't think anyone got that far.

I have marketed a lot of products into "mature" spaces - Rev is one of them,
Valentina another, yet another is a 3D product called Vue. It is very
difficult, especially so when it isnt a $50K+ product (as ironic as that
might seem).

Mature spaces are very heavily influenced by a tribe of conservative buyers
that have big investments in their favored solution - and the opinions of
long standing tribal members. Just being  "fair and balanced" comes across
as a negative based on the "ear" that is predisposed to listen to negatives
that in turn validate their original, big investments. If you ever find
yourself creating a product to market into a mature market space - its good
to know.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

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Re: 2.9 Freeze on OSX

[Thomas McGrath III]

Mark,

I am seeing the beach ball when over any Rev windows. Sometimes it  
takes a minute to change to the beach ball though.


Tom

On Apr 10, 2008, at 11:46 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:


Hi Tom,

I'm using 2.9 all day now without any of such freezes. Do you also  
see a spinning beachball of death, or do you still see an arrow  
cursor when you move the mouse cursor over Rev windows?


Best,

Mark

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Re: Bug? Rev app creates invisible files?

[Richard Gaskin]

FWIW, I have seen some rare cases where new files on the Desktop aren't 
visible in OS X, and I've found I can make them visible by "tickling" 
the Finder by trying to create either another file or a folder with the 
same name -- then the Finder will give me "That name is already used" 
warning, and the previously invisible file becomes visible.


But I can't recall which programs I've seen this with.  Maybe it was 
just Rev/MC, but I believe this has also happened with a couple others.


It's been very rare, and I haven't been able to come up with a recipe 
for reproducing it reliably.


Whatever the cause, I believe this is a bug in the Finder rather than 
Rev.  I could be wrong; if it was limited to just Rev maybe there's 
something about the way they're using the API that isn't kosher.  But I 
suspect if that were the case the problem would be more consistently 
evident, and in my experience it's very, very rare (may three times over 
as many years).


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Re: My new app - Aperture Assistant

[Thomas McGrath III]

Ian,

Congratulations on the Public Beta. I would be interested in two of  
these, please post them on RevOnline.


Thanks

Tom

On Apr 10, 2008, at 1:08 PM, Ian Wood wrote:

If anyone's interested in the log, burn and Keynote libraries I can  
stick them up on RevOnline with a few comments to get people started.


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Re: good Rev demos

[Thomas McGrath III]

So, You're saying this is bad???

Tom

On Apr 10, 2008, at 2:20 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:


Asking someone to drop their much loved
products and rewrite them, and drop their long time IDE is like  
asking a

happily married man to drop kick his kid and wife out of his house.


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Re: why does this not work and how do you do it?

[Peter Alcibiades]

OK, this is really simple to do.  You make a new mainstack with one card
whose script is:

on mouseUp
focus on field "Field"
end mouseUp

Now you create a button with traversal off and a field with traversal on. 
The button script is:

on mouseUp
  ask "pick a number"
  if isNumber(it) is true then put it into field "Field"
  if the result is "Cancel" then select the text of field "Field"
  if isNumber(it) is false then send mouseUp to this card
end mouseUp

Select text as you and Jacque suggested works fine.

Now, what I expect is that if you enter say xyz at the prompt, it should
send mouseUp to the card, and this should be exactly the same as clicking on
the card.  Maybe this is not right?  At any rate, it doesn't activate. 
However, if you then click on the card, the field is activated.  So what
seems so strange to me is that doing mouseUp on the card works fine, but
sending mouseUp to the card from the button doesn't work.

I did put in a line to answer it, and the alpha stuff really is in it, so
definitely we should meet the condition of isNumber(it) being false.

Be glad to see someone else duplicating this!

Peter
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RE: good Rev demos

[Lynn Fredricks]

 > So, You're saying this is bad???

Just how long have you been married, Tom? ;-)

> Tom

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Re: ANN: Debug

[Mark Wieder]

Jacque-

OK - Gotcher spiffy new updated stack up on revOnline. Give it a spin.
What's actually a one-liner as far as functional code goes now has a lot of 
cruft around it in order to utilize revOnline as a distribution mechanism.

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Re: good Rev demos

[Thomas McGrath III]

Well, I think it has been fourteen years now. ;-)


On Apr 10, 2008, at 3:25 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:


So, You're saying this is bad???


Just how long have you been married, Tom? ;-)


Tom


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Re: why does this not work and how do you do it?

[J. Landman Gay]

Peter Alcibiades wrote:

OK, this is really simple to do.  You make a new mainstack with one card
whose script is:

on mouseUp
focus on field "Field"
end mouseUp

Now you create a button with traversal off and a field with traversal on. 
The button script is:


on mouseUp
  ask "pick a number"
  if isNumber(it) is true then put it into field "Field"
  if the result is "Cancel" then select the text of field "Field"
  if isNumber(it) is false then send mouseUp to this card
end mouseUp

Select text as you and Jacque suggested works fine.

Now, what I expect is that if you enter say xyz at the prompt, it should
send mouseUp to the card, and this should be exactly the same as clicking on
the card.  Maybe this is not right?


I think it is not right. :)

When you send a message, like "mouseup", to a card, that is all that 
happens. Just the message. Any user actions that would ensue from a 
physical click don't execute. You only get a message entry lined up in 
the message queue. It's all very silent and behind the scenes.


If you want to simulate a real, physical click, then use "click at 
" or "click at the loc of fld 1". This duplicates a physical 
user action. It isn't really the best way to go about it though. 
However, the "click at" command sends all the normal mouse messages that 
are associated with a physical click (mousedown, mousestilldown, 
mouseup) and sets the focus.


But a better way is to just script the behaviors you want -- i.e., to 
select the text of the field. Just like you did. :)


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Re: Bug? Rev app creates invisible files?

[Phil Davis]

After thinking about it some more, I agree with your conclusions. I 
think I'll ignore it for now since it isn't a show-stopper, and see if 
moving to 10.5 changes the experience.


Thanks Richard.


Richard Gaskin wrote:
FWIW, I have seen some rare cases where new files on the Desktop 
aren't visible in OS X, and I've found I can make them visible by 
"tickling" the Finder by trying to create either another file or a 
folder with the same name -- then the Finder will give me "That name 
is already used" warning, and the previously invisible file becomes 
visible.


But I can't recall which programs I've seen this with.  Maybe it was 
just Rev/MC, but I believe this has also happened with a couple others.


It's been very rare, and I haven't been able to come up with a recipe 
for reproducing it reliably.


Whatever the cause, I believe this is a bug in the Finder rather than 
Rev.  I could be wrong; if it was limited to just Rev maybe there's 
something about the way they're using the API that isn't kosher.  But 
I suspect if that were the case the problem would be more consistently 
evident, and in my experience it's very, very rare (may three times 
over as many years).




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Re: Bug? Rev app creates invisible files?

[J. Landman Gay]

Phil Davis wrote:
After thinking about it some more, I agree with your conclusions. I 
think I'll ignore it for now since it isn't a show-stopper, and see if 
moving to 10.5 changes the experience.


I have seen lagging Finder updates too, especially when building apps, 
where the icons don't always update. I use the "touch" shell command to 
wake up the Finder, which generally works:


get shell("touch -f" && tFilePath)

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Re: Why doesn't start using work?

[william humphrey]

Hi
I got start using to work by first opening the stack which I want to start
using (even though it used to work just because the stack is a substack of
my main stack). Seems to me this can't be a bug as someone else would have
had the problem so I must be doing something wrong.
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Re: Why doesn't start using work?

[Richard Gaskin]

Mark Swindell wrote:
Why does my "start Using Stack x" place its scripts behind the script  
editor's scripts?  In this case, when I have a resumeStack handler, it  
is triggered by opening up Rev's properties panel.  Is this the  
expected behavior?  I thought these scripts were to run in front of  
Rev, but behind my stack.  This seems like new behavior to me.


I'm not sure it's new, as it sounds reasonable enough.  Rev loads all of 
its stuff before it loads plugins, and scripts inserted into the back of 
the message path will be behind others already in the queue.


Perhaps the addition of a resumeStack handler is new to the Rev script 
editor?


To ensure that you trap the message you're after, you might consider a 
frontScript instead.


For background on these, this may be helpful:


Extending the Runtime Revolution Message Path:
An introduction to using Libraries, FrontScripts, and BackScripts
in Runtime Revolution's Transcript Programming Language





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Re: My new app - Aperture Assistant

[Sarah Reichelt]

>  If anyone's interested in the log, burn and Keynote libraries I can stick
> them up on RevOnline with a few comments to get people started.

I'm interested in the log & burn libs Ian.
And congratulations on your new app.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Stack Translators

[Richmond Mathewson]

I found this yesterday:

http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.10/10.03/StackTranslators/index.html

and thought; "Hm, I wonder if that is relevant or
interesting to RR?"

Discuss, Argue . . . 

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson



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Re: Bug? Rev app creates invisible files?

[Phil Davis]

Thanks Jacque. Good idea.


J. Landman Gay wrote:

Phil Davis wrote:
After thinking about it some more, I agree with your conclusions. I 
think I'll ignore it for now since it isn't a show-stopper, and see 
if moving to 10.5 changes the experience.


I have seen lagging Finder updates too, especially when building apps, 
where the icons don't always update. I use the "touch" shell command 
to wake up the Finder, which generally works:


get shell("touch -f" && tFilePath)


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Re: Stack Translators

[Richard Gaskin]

Richmond wrote:
I found this yesterday: 
http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.10/10.03/StackTranslators/index.html


and thought; "Hm, I wonder if that is relevant or
interesting to RR?"


Rev already reads the HyperCard file format.

If this seemed new, consider the opening line of that article:

  Kevin is a member of the HyperCard team at Apple.

;)

I don't think there's been a "HyperCard team" in over a decade.

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Re: Stack Translators

[Colin Holgate]

At 3:15 PM -0700 4/10/08, Richard Gaskin wrote:

If this seemed new, consider the opening line of that article:

  Kevin is a member of the HyperCard team at Apple.

;)

I don't think there's been a "HyperCard team" in over a decade.



Note too that it was for v2.2, and the last version was 2.4.1, so 
we're talking quite a while before the team disbanded.


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Re: Stack Translators

[Scott Rossi]

>> I found this yesterday:
>> http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.10/10.03/StackTranslators/index.h
>> tml
>> 
>> and thought; "Hm, I wonder if that is relevant or interesting to RR?"

> Rev already reads the HyperCard file format.
> 
> If this seemed new, consider the opening line of that article:
> 
>Kevin is a member of the HyperCard team at Apple.
> 
> ;)
> 
> I don't think there's been a "HyperCard team" in over a decade.

Plus the fact that Volume 10 of MacTech was published roughly 14 years ago
(1994).

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


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Re: Why doesn't start using work?

[J. Landman Gay]

william humphrey wrote:

Hi
I got start using to work by first opening the stack which I want to start
using (even though it used to work just because the stack is a substack of
my main stack). Seems to me this can't be a bug as someone else would have
had the problem so I must be doing something wrong.


You should be able to start using a substack even if it isn't open. 
Those are always available. Could your substack have gotten separated 
from your mainstack somehow?


One way to find out why it isn't working is to put this line of script 
after the "start using" line:


  start using stack "my substack"
  answer the result

If there is an error finding your stack, this will tell you.

The order you start using a stack matters. The most recent stack put in 
use is closer to the front of the message hierarchy than others. You can 
actually shuffle the order around by starting to use a stack that is 
already in use, which brings it closer to the front of the message path.


If you have several stacks in use, usually the order doesn't much 
matter. But if one stack script has handlers that are duplicated in some 
other stack in use, then whichever one is closest to the front will 
receive the message. Do you have more than one stack in use? Could there 
be a handler name conflict?


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Writing to a field in a cgi stack

[Sarah Reichelt]

Hi All,

I'm writing a cgi stack to return some data. It's working fine and
grabbing data from text files stored locally. In my browser I can test
that I'm getting the correct data back. However I was hoping to be
able to use fields in the cgi stack for logging. When a request comes
in, I have tried using:
put pQuery into fld "DataIn" of stack "WebData"
I don't get any error message, "the result" is empty, but nothing
appears in the field.
There is a field of that name, the stack is named correctly and I know
pQuery has some data in it.

Am I trying to do something that is impossible from a CGI script? If
so, I can just write a separate log file, so it's no big deal, I just
wondered.

I'm using the Mac OS X engine from Rev 2.9.0-gm-1 and I've tried with
and without the -ui option.

Cheers,
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Re: 2.9 Freeze on OSX

[Bill Vlahos]

I am.

There already is a bugzilla ticket (5256) for this and Rev is trying  
to get a handle on it. Obviously it only affects a subset of users  
but it is bad.


Bill Vlahos


On Apr 10, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

Ok, now that the 2.9 version has been out for a little while I need  
to know how many people are experiencing the Freeze while  
performing a Save problem (computer lock up with force restart the  
only way out).


I can not use 2.9 at all since it now happens every time I go to  
save after writing some code. I have installed RR from scratch and  
repaired permissions on my HD and removed most extra preference  
panes etc. from my system and still have the instant freezes when  
saving with 2.9.


This does NOT happen with 2.8 which I am using everyday. The same  
stacks will freeze in 2.9 but not in 2.8.



How many people are experiencing this Freeze on Save???


Thanks

Tom
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Re: Rev GM1?

[Mark Swindell]

I'm a currently paid-up customer who has been participating in the  
beta program all along.  I never got a GM1 announcement or link for  
download.  Is there a download site, or is it still by mail-out only?


Thanks
Mark

On Apr 10, 2008, at 11:40 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote:

Hi Mark,

As long as i know, Rev_2.9.0-gm-1 (Rev 2.9.0 build 610) is the  
current version available for shipping.


Best,
--
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mobile : 06 03 95 77 70
www.sahores-conseil.com


Le 10 avr. 08 à 20:23, Mark Swindell a écrit :
I don't find that I received notification of a download for this.   
Am I entitled to it?  Where is it located?

Thanks,
Mark



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Thanks,
Mark



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Re: 2.9 Freeze on OSX

[Joe Lewis Wilkins]

Neither of the projects I'm working with have frozen on Saving, though  
when painting, one of them saves somewhat inconsistently.


I still haven't been able to create a Classic standalone with either  
one of them that will open up under 9.2.2 on a G4.


Joe Wilkins

On Apr 10, 2008, at 8:38 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:


I am.

There already is a bugzilla ticket (5256) for this and Rev is trying  
to get a handle on it. Obviously it only affects a subset of users  
but it is bad.


Bill Vlahos


On Apr 10, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

Ok, now that the 2.9 version has been out for a little while I need  
to know how many people are experiencing the Freeze while  
performing a Save problem (computer lock up with force restart the  
only way out).


I can not use 2.9 at all since it now happens every time I go to  
save after writing some code. I have installed RR from scratch and  
repaired permissions on my HD and removed most extra preference  
panes etc. from my system and still have the instant freezes when  
saving with 2.9.


This does NOT happen with 2.8 which I am using everyday. The same  
stacks will freeze in 2.9 but not in 2.8.



How many people are experiencing this Freeze on Save???


Thanks

Tom




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Re: Rev GM1?

[Sarah Reichelt]

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Mark Swindell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm a currently paid-up customer who has been participating in the beta
> program all along.  I never got a GM1 announcement or link for download.  Is
> there a download site, or is it still by mail-out only?

It's available for download on the RunRev site.


Sarah
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Re: Writing to a field in a cgi stack

[Jan Schenkel]

--- Sarah Reichelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I'm writing a cgi stack to return some data. It's
> working fine and
> grabbing data from text files stored locally. In my
> browser I can test
> that I'm getting the correct data back. However I
> was hoping to be
> able to use fields in the cgi stack for logging.
> When a request comes
> in, I have tried using:
> put pQuery into fld "DataIn" of stack "WebData"
> I don't get any error message, "the result" is
> empty, but nothing
> appears in the field.
> There is a field of that name, the stack is named
> correctly and I know
> pQuery has some data in it.
> 
> Am I trying to do something that is impossible from
> a CGI script? If
> so, I can just write a separate log file, so it's no
> big deal, I just
> wondered.
> 
> I'm using the Mac OS X engine from Rev 2.9.0-gm-1
> and I've tried with
> and without the -ui option.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
> 

Apart from the obvious need to 'save' the stack, there
are two things that can go wrong: does the httpd user
have write access to the stack file, and is it
possible that a second cgi script has overwritten the
field?

A simple database server is probably a better option.

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution


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Re: Writing to a field in a cgi stack

[J. Landman Gay]

Sarah Reichelt wrote:

Hi All,

I'm writing a cgi stack to return some data. It's working fine and
grabbing data from text files stored locally. In my browser I can test
that I'm getting the correct data back. However I was hoping to be
able to use fields in the cgi stack for logging. When a request comes
in, I have tried using:
put pQuery into fld "DataIn" of stack "WebData"
I don't get any error message, "the result" is empty, but nothing
appears in the field.
There is a field of that name, the stack is named correctly and I know
pQuery has some data in it.


Most cgi folders don't have write permissions enabled. It's a security 
measure. Does the system error log give any info?


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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Re: Writing to a field in a cgi stack

[Sarah Reichelt]

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Jan Schenkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- Sarah Reichelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > Hi All,
>  >
>  > I'm writing a cgi stack to return some data. It's
>  > working fine and
>  > grabbing data from text files stored locally. In my
>  > browser I can test
>  > that I'm getting the correct data back. However I
>  > was hoping to be
>  > able to use fields in the cgi stack for logging.
>  > When a request comes
>  > in, I have tried using:
>  > put pQuery into fld "DataIn" of stack "WebData"
>  > I don't get any error message, "the result" is
>  > empty, but nothing
>  > appears in the field.
>  > There is a field of that name, the stack is named
>  > correctly and I know
>  > pQuery has some data in it.
>  >
>  > Am I trying to do something that is impossible from
>  > a CGI script? If
>  > so, I can just write a separate log file, so it's no
>  > big deal, I just
>  > wondered.
>  >
>  > I'm using the Mac OS X engine from Rev 2.9.0-gm-1
>  > and I've tried with
>  > and without the -ui option.
>  >
>  > Cheers,
>  > Sarah
>  >
>
>  Apart from the obvious need to 'save' the stack, there
>  are two things that can go wrong: does the httpd user
>  have write access to the stack file, and is it
>  possible that a second cgi script has overwritten the
>  field?
>
>  A simple database server is probably a better option.

Finally figured this out, thank Jan. While I was testing, I had the
CGI stack open, so it seemed logical that it would be able to update
it's own fields, however I hadn't even thought of the save problem.
I'll go a different route.

Thanks,
Sarah
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File paths on a web server

[Sarah Reichelt]

Hi All,

I've run into this problem before and solved it with Ken Ray's help,
but now (with Leopard) the old solution doesn't work.

I need to find the name of the current user on the web server
computer. The cgi stacks need to be able to find a file in the current
user's public folder, but I can't get to it if I don't know the name
of the user. I've tried my previous solution using the shell command
"who", but although "who" works fine in Terminal, it doesn't return
anything when used in a CGI script. I've also tried "whoami" and even
specialFolderPath().

Any ideas? I can't use a different file arrangement because that isn't
mine to control.

Cheers,
Sarah

OS X 10.5.2, Rev 2.9.0, Apache 2
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Stack Translators

[Richmond Mathewson]

You missed the point a bit.

I wondered whether a set of stacks that could convert
RR stacks into 'compilables' for other computing
languages might be useful. This has already been done
for HTML.

Although I am 46 I am not, entirely senile yet, and do
realise that HyperCard is "old hat" as is the article
referred to; but as I am currently reading a book that
I found lurking in my bookcase dated 1632 (which is
full of wonderful ideas) I am not inclined to
instantly discard something because it is old.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson



A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle.



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Re: why does this not work and how do you do it?

[Peter Alcibiades]

OK, thanks, its now clear why the send to card doesn't work.

But still, surely in the two object one script example, focus should work? 
That is, the only script on the card is from the very first example:

on mouseUp
  ask "think of a number"
  if it is not a number then
  put empty into field "Field"
  focus on field "Field"
  else
  put it into field "Field"
  focus on field "Field"
  end if 
end mouseUp

Focus not going to field in this case when you type in  is a bug, yes?

Peter  
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Re: Stack Translators

[Peter Alcibiades]

Richmond, isn't it a simply huge task to write a decent cross compiler?  And
there's the problem of picking a language to do the cross compile into? 
What do you pick - Python, Ruby, Lua?  You notice even PythonCard didn't
ever seriously consider imports from HC.  And its not obviously in Rev's
interest.  And then, when you have it, how are you going to use it?  Like
all insurance, its going to sit there and wait for the day when an asteroid
strikes Edinburgh.  And that's when you'll find that oops, it doesn't quite
work as well as we had thought it would

It would be nice if it existed as insurance, but its a bit hard to see it
happening.  Surely the answer, if one is really worried about getting locked
into Rev, is to move to something one is not worried about getting locked
into?  Or is the motivation quite different?  

In the Hypercard days, it was to run it on Windows.  It was visible all
along that getting locked not only into a programming language and an OS but
also hardware from one particular vendor was a bit of a risky bet.  But Rev
is cross platform and on any old hardware, so its much safer, your only risk
is a similar risk to any other language.  After all, what happens if you
picked Python, and the Pythonistas all one day move en masse to Ruby or
whatever?

Peter



Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> 
> 
> I wondered whether a set of stacks that could convert
> RR stacks into 'compilables' for other computing
> languages might be useful. 
> 
> 

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