menus and shortcuts

2008-10-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello Mark,

I run most of my .rev apps from a precompiled universal runrev .exe with the 
same name = the info is in the stack object, not in the standalone. If you 
download http://animabit.de/runrev/test.exe and put it into /anirun.exe and put 
a stack in the same folder into /anirun.rev than it starts, and if you put all 
the dlls and Externals of a standalone with all features in the same folder 
there than all works.
= The info of the Shortcuts is in the objects in the stack and just 
interpreted different in IDE versus standalone.

The info seems to be stored only in the text of the menu button and if the 
standalone finds a shortcut notice there like (Paste/V but no handler for it 
then the event stops. Because a menu is normally a background on top of the 
event hierarchy that means blocking of this shortcut.
put the text of button Bearbeiten
(Cut/X
(Copy/C
(Paste/V
(Clear
-
(Preferences
Learned a lot of your comments Mark!

Regards, Franz
Original Messageprocessed by David InfoCenter 
Subject: Re: Re-8: I cannot paste in any field in an app (consisting of up to 7 
stacks) (01-Okt-2008 19:52)
From:Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Franz-

Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 9:52:51 AM, you wrote:

 Where in the group menu does runrev store this information about shortcuts?

Now *that's* a good question. Since your original stack works in the
IDE but not a standalone, I'd guess that the process of building the
standalone binds the keyboard equivalents, but I don't have a clue as
to when or where this happens.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
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Slow down of the 3.0 IDE

2008-10-02 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB
Hello all,

I am still struggeling with my IDE (Win XP SP3, Rev 2.9 and 3.0), which got
so slow, since some weeks (I can't fix the exact event from when on) I
described before, that all IDE menus have a reaction time of about 3sec on
any mouseclick. The same slow reaction is almost on any Rev and GLX2 window,
so e.g opening and closing any property window, closing the GLX2 editor,
changing the tools in the tools pallet, etc. It is very annoying waiting all
day long, as if I would have a 286x below the hood.

The only normal reaction have mouseclicks in my own open stacks, they behave
completely normal and speedy. I tried a new reinstall, I tried to take my
complete project from my server to my local disc, without any effect.

I think because most of you work on Mac, it must be a windows problem and
perhaps even a SP3 problem. Any other, beside Franz and Horst how are
experience this behaviour now? I  filed it already in the QCC. Or do I see
white mice?

Thanks for any ideas

Tiemo

 

 

 

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Re: RR in Wine

2008-10-02 Thread Bernard Devlin
In my experience with the Windows version of Rev 3.0 on Wine 1.0 on Fedora
8, Rev will install fine, but it is unusable.  All of the graphics come up
black.  I didn't waste more than a minute on it after I saw that.  I didn't
even bother to report it as a bug.
I was going to just go through the various bugs I've found with Rev 3.0 on
Fedora in the past two weeks, but it is easier if you just follow this link:
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/buglist.cgi?query_format=advancedshort_desc_type=allwordssubstrshort_desc=long_desc_type=substringlong_desc=bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstrbug_file_loc=version=3.0.0GM3op_sys=Linuxemailtype1=substringemail1=emailreporter2=1emailcc2=1emailtype2=substringemail2=bugidtype=includebug_id=votes=chfieldfrom=2008-09-25chfieldto=Nowchfieldvalue=cmdtype=doitorder=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+timefield0-0-0=nooptype0-0-0=noopvalue0-0-0=

Hope that transfers ok, if not then search RQCC for Linux and you'll see the
bugs.  I've decided to just give up on it until there is actually a public
statement that Rev on Linux has received the same amount of quality testing
as it has on Windows and OS X.

If you are going to try it on Linux, then to ease your pain I would suggest
Ubuntu - when I tried on SuSe last week, the unlock-code screen came up in
Chinese, when all other apps were in English.  Following the same download
link on the runrev site last week seemed to download different versions of
Rev, so maybe they've fixed that.

There may have been some testing on Ubuntu before Rev 3.0 was released.
 Peter seems to be quite content with that (god knows, he's suffered long
enough with Rev problems on Linux in the past few years).  I haven't been
able to try it on Ubuntu as I couldn't get that to install in a VM.

Bernard

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Mikey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My that's-no-laptop-it's-a-spacestation has gone to the next world.

 I'm thinking of going HARD into the Linux wall.  I see that there are
 RR issues in Linux.

 How well does RR run in Wine?
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Re: RR in Wine

2008-10-02 Thread Bernard Devlin
Peter, can you just explain this.  In my experience on Fedora the multiple
desktops don't work properly.  I find that portions of Rev (message box,
toolbar, etc) will appear on other desktops, and not on the desktop I placed
them on.  I didn't even expect this to work, so didn't log it as a bug.
It sounds like you are having a different experience.  I'd be grateful if
you'd confirm that.

Bernard

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 5:51 AM, Peter Alcibiades 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 The big UI deal is that multiple desktops now work as they are supposed to


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Re: Slow down of the 3.0 IDE

2008-10-02 Thread Bernard Devlin
Tiemo, sorry to hear this is persisting.  I can't remember if it was you or
the other German guy who I suggested this to... Have you tried setting the
input language to English rather than German and re-installing to see if
that has any effect?  It is a long shot - after all, people like Klaus and
Malte are both German (I think), so it can't be affecting everyone with a
German installation.
Also since it is not affecting your own stacks, have you tried uninstalling
all the plugins?  I'm absolutely no expert with plugins, but after trying to
run one of my own stacks as a plugin, I realized how they can be closely
involved with the message path and certain rev... message handlers that
they register for.  Maybe some plugin is responding to a rev... message
and doing something that is slowing things down.

Bernard

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Hello all,

 I am still struggeling with my IDE (Win XP SP3, Rev 2.9 and 3.0), which got
 so slow, since some weeks (I can't fix the exact event from when on) I
 described before, that all IDE menus have a reaction time of about 3sec on
 any mouseclick. The same slow reaction is almost on any Rev and GLX2
 window,
 so e.g opening and closing any property window, closing the GLX2 editor,
 changing the tools in the tools pallet, etc. It is very annoying waiting
 all
 day long, as if I would have a 286x below the hood.

 The only normal reaction have mouseclicks in my own open stacks, they
 behave
 completely normal and speedy. I tried a new reinstall, I tried to take my
 complete project from my server to my local disc, without any effect.

 I think because most of you work on Mac, it must be a windows problem and
 perhaps even a SP3 problem. Any other, beside Franz and Horst how are
 experience this behaviour now? I  filed it already in the QCC. Or do I see
 white mice?

 Thanks for any ideas

 Tiemo







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Re: Slow down of the 3.0 IDE

2008-10-02 Thread Malte Brill

Tiemo,

it might be worth a try to delete revPreferences.rev (while rev is  
closed)


In the messagebox type:

put the filename of stack revPreferences

to get the full path. Now close rev to delete that file and restart.  
But maybe you tried that already?


All the best,

Malte
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Re: message box history - confused

2008-10-02 Thread Bernard Devlin
Bonjour Eric

Well, I think it all depends on perspective - the sun probably doesn't see
itself as a star either, from its perspective it's just a big planet
surrounded by some less tropical planets.  But I apologize if my praise was
embarrassing, and I will try to prevent myself from causing you
embarrassment in future (although of course I still welcome any help you can
provide!)
I am interested in what you say that the message history should not be saved
if Rev crashes.  Since they are saved, that gives me something to
investigate.

I had implemented my own backscript to log all the standard Rev messages and
log them, but it didn't reveal anything untoward preceding a crash.  Then I
found out about Rev's own built-in (but undocumented) verboseLog.txt, which
logs far more things (certainly including the setting of revGeneral custom
properties, and apparently also function calls).  The log produced this way
is far more verbose than mine (they are even logging things like 'idle'
messages).  However, after analyzing that log following two crashes
yesterday, it also revealed nothing (the last few statements in it were just
'mouseMove' and 'mouseLeave').

Since Jacques informs us that this is also the logging mechanism used in the
Windows crash logs, and they were unhelpful to Runrev in diagnosing my
crashes on Vista, it looks to me that unless we as users can identify some
observable sequence of actions on our part there is currently no tool that
aids in debugging crashes.

Bernard

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Eric Chatonet 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Bonsoir Bernard,

 Of course, I'm not a star: I'm just blinking in the dark when I can.
 MB messages are saved when Rev quits without problem: in case of crash,
 they are not saved.
 So, I assume that in you case, it will not help.

 Probably, you could use 4W_UmbrellaMan.rev from Richard Gaskin (
 http://www.fourthworld.com/products/devolution/index.html) in order to
 modify it to write a log on disk that will allow you to get relevant
 results.
 Best regards from Paris,
 Eric Chatonet.

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AW: Slow down of the 3.0 IDE

2008-10-02 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB
Hello Bernard,
I tried changing the input language to eng, without effect. I didn't tried
yet a reinstall under English environment. I deinstalled every plugin, even
GLX2 without effect. Perhaps Malte and Klaus are not working on Win XP SP3
and that’s the clue...
Tiemo

 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:use-revolution-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Bernard Devlin
 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. Oktober 2008 09:51
 An: How to use Revolution
 Betreff: Re: Slow down of the 3.0 IDE
 
 Tiemo, sorry to hear this is persisting.  I can't remember if it was you
 or
 the other German guy who I suggested this to... Have you tried setting the
 input language to English rather than German and re-installing to see if
 that has any effect?  It is a long shot - after all, people like Klaus and
 Malte are both German (I think), so it can't be affecting everyone with a
 German installation.
 Also since it is not affecting your own stacks, have you tried
 uninstalling
 all the plugins?  I'm absolutely no expert with plugins, but after trying
 to
 run one of my own stacks as a plugin, I realized how they can be closely
 involved with the message path and certain rev... message handlers that
 they register for.  Maybe some plugin is responding to a rev... message
 and doing something that is slowing things down.
 
 Bernard
 
 On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
 
  Hello all,
 
  I am still struggeling with my IDE (Win XP SP3, Rev 2.9 and 3.0), which
 got
  so slow, since some weeks (I can't fix the exact event from when on) I
  described before, that all IDE menus have a reaction time of about 3sec
 on
  any mouseclick. The same slow reaction is almost on any Rev and GLX2
  window,
  so e.g opening and closing any property window, closing the GLX2 editor,
  changing the tools in the tools pallet, etc. It is very annoying waiting
  all
  day long, as if I would have a 286x below the hood.
 
  The only normal reaction have mouseclicks in my own open stacks, they
  behave
  completely normal and speedy. I tried a new reinstall, I tried to take
 my
  complete project from my server to my local disc, without any effect.
 
  I think because most of you work on Mac, it must be a windows problem
 and
  perhaps even a SP3 problem. Any other, beside Franz and Horst how are
  experience this behaviour now? I  filed it already in the QCC. Or do I
 see
  white mice?
 
  Thanks for any ideas
 
  Tiemo
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: OT Font Question

2008-10-02 Thread Adrian Williams

Mark,
I have mailed you some better examples off-list.
Adrian


On 1 Oct 2008, at 23:24, Mark Swindell wrote:

Never mind that last.  I see the list and examples at the bottom of  
the page.  It would be nice if the jpg were of higher resolution so  
I could see them more clearly.


Mark

On Oct 1, 2008, at 10:28 AM, Adrian Williams wrote:


We offer a digraphs font exactly as you describe.
The original typefaces were researched and developed
for use in education to teach children and adults (this version)...
http://www.clubtype.co.uk/fonts/sas/s460sample.html

Sassoon® Jolly Phonics Digraph fonts will enable you to write easy- 
to-use pronunciation guides for children or adults.


This product is part of the larger Sassoon® Project...
http://www.clubtype.co.uk/fonts/sas/sasslist_com.html

Hope that helps?
Adrian
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On 30 Sep 2008, at 05:31, Mark Swindell wrote:


Devin,

Thanks for the link.  I'm actually after something that I think  
may not exist.  It would be similar in function to an IPA font,  
but with regular English character pairs whose kerning would be  
reduced so that they would represent a single visual unit,  
mirroring how they represent sound.  Good would be G oo d and  
shallow would be sh a ll ow.  It would require tweaking the  
kerning between digraph letter pairs and dipthongs to tighten them  
up, while keeping regular spacing between these double letters,  
single letters, and words.


I'm not sure it's worth the trouble to create, but in teaching I  
find that some children have a difficult time seeing that sh for  
example, is not s h but rather its own phonetic unit.  (A  
parallel: until fairly recently, ch was the fourth letter of the  
Spanish alphabet, though it was never represented with tighter  
kerning... I think the Real Academia might have done away with  
that one, as well as the ll, at least for purposes of  
alphabetizing.  (Wikpedia: In 1994, it ruled that the Spanish  
consonants CH (ché) and LL (elle) would hence be alphabetized  
under C and under L, respectively, and not as separate, discrete  
letters, as in the past.)


The idea was to be able to present text to kids written with these  
combinations emphasized while retaining a somewhat natural look.


Mark,

On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:28 PM, Devin Asay wrote:



On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:34 PM, Mark Swindell wrote:

Does anyone here know if there exists a font that combines the  
letters

that make phonemes, be they digraphs, dipthongs, or just multiple
letters (oo, ee, ea)?

For example, the word cough would have three phonemic chunks:  
c - ou

- gh.

But the phonetic representations of the short o phoneme (ou) and  
the /

f/ (gh) would be squished up against each other so they would be
recognized as a chunk, not as separate letters?  Does this make  
sense?


Not exactly sure what you are after. Would an IPA font do what  
you wanted? You can get some very good ones from sil.org:


http://www.sil.org/computing/catalog/show_software_catalog.asp?by=catname=Font

HTH

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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AW: Slow down of the 3.0 IDE

2008-10-02 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB
Wow, Malte, you are a 3 star expert :)
That was the clue, now everything runs like a canon ball :)
Obviously the prefs wanted to do something with any old plugins I had bound
sometimes in the past but deleted the wrong way...
Many thanks - you saved my day!
Tiemo

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 Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:use-revolution-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Malte Brill
 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. Oktober 2008 10:05
 An: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
 Betreff: Re: Slow down of the 3.0 IDE
 
 Tiemo,
 
 it might be worth a try to delete revPreferences.rev (while rev is
 closed)
 
 In the messagebox type:
 
 put the filename of stack revPreferences
 
 to get the full path. Now close rev to delete that file and restart.
 But maybe you tried that already?
 
 All the best,
 
 Malte
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Weird Send in Time Problem???

2008-10-02 Thread Dave

Hi,

I have a test stack with one button and one field, the Button Script  
contains:


on TImer
put the seconds  cr after field 1
put the openStacks  cr  cr after field 1
set the scroll of field 1 to 999

send Timer to me in 1 second
end Timer


on mouseUp
put empty into field 1

 send Timer to me in 2 seconds
end mouseUp

When I look at the result in field 1, I see

1222946339
Stack List

1222946339
Stack List

1222946339
Stack List

1222946340
Stack List


How can the seconds property be the same 3 times in a row, when there  
is a one second interval between message Sends Other stacks are  
doing stuff, so I can see that there might be a 1 second interval,  
but not =!


All the Best
Dave


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Re: Weird Send in Time Problem???

2008-10-02 Thread Thomas McGrath III

Dave,

Hi, I don't get multiple entries for the same one second interval. But  
if I change the script to 2 seconds then it will start with even  
numbers and after a couple of iterations it will end up odd numbers  
(and vice versa).


So I guess the real question is Is a second really a second? and I  
would guess for some scripts the answer is No.


Hmm,
Tom McGrath III

On Oct 2, 2008, at 7:32 AM, Dave wrote:


Hi,

I have a test stack with one button and one field, the Button Script  
contains:


on TImer
put the seconds  cr after field 1
put the openStacks  cr  cr after field 1
set the scroll of field 1 to 999

send Timer to me in 1 second
end Timer


on mouseUp
put empty into field 1

send Timer to me in 2 seconds
end mouseUp

When I look at the result in field 1, I see

1222946339
Stack List

1222946339
Stack List

1222946339
Stack List

1222946340
Stack List


How can the seconds property be the same 3 times in a row, when  
there is a one second interval between message Sends Other  
stacks are doing stuff, so I can see that there might be a 1 second  
interval, but not =!


All the Best
Dave


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Re: Weird Send in Time Problem???

2008-10-02 Thread Eric Chatonet

Bonjour Dave,

I just bet you have several 'Timer' messages pending at the same time.
To be sure to have one only, use:
if Timer is not in the pendingMessages then send Timer to me in 1  
second

Another thing:
Prefer to write your data in your field only once:
put the seconds  cr  the openStacks  cr  cr after field 1
Multiple screen refresh is always time consuming :-)

Le 2 oct. 08 à 13:32, Dave a écrit :

I have a test stack with one button and one field, the Button  
Script contains:


on TImer
put the seconds  cr after field 1
put the openStacks  cr  cr after field 1
set the scroll of field 1 to 999

send Timer to me in 1 second
end Timer


on mouseUp
put empty into field 1

 send Timer to me in 2 seconds
end mouseUp

When I look at the result in field 1, I see

1222946339
Stack List

1222946339
Stack List

1222946339
Stack List

1222946340
Stack List


How can the seconds property be the same 3 times in a row, when  
there is a one second interval between message Sends Other  
stacks are doing stuff, so I can see that there might be a 1  
second interval, but not =!


All the Best
Dave


Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

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Re: RR in Wine

2008-10-02 Thread Peter Alcibiades

Bernard, sorry, you are quite right.  When I first tried 3.0, I don't know
why, I thought they were working.  I was not very well at the time, and
don't know quite what happened.  Maybe it was an hallucination?  At any
rate, having verified today, this is what happens.  You have an application
open, move the stack being worked on to a different desktop.  It goes there. 
You can also drag it to the second desktop in the window manager display. 
Then, as soon as you move to that desktop to use that window, the stack
immediately goes back to the one where the Rev application is.  The same
thing happens with the dictionary.

So we are once more, apparently, in this ridiculous and infuriating
situation of having half a dozen work spaces empty and available, and also
having half a dozen application windows all crammed into one of them, one on
top of the other.  

I don't know what can have happened.   I definitely thought it had worked
correctly, because it was one of the first things tried.  And there was a
posting from another Linux user which said that multiple desktops worked on
the beta, in response to a question.This is on Debian with Gnome.  I'll
have a try with some other WMs, particularly fluxbox and WindowMaker, and
see if its common across them, and maybe also be able to have a try with
Mandriva and KDE in a week or so.

This has just got to be fixed if it really is a general problem and not just
my Debian installation.  You don't really need for every single element of
the IDE to be independently moveable, but at a minimum you must be able to
have the application stack, the script editor, the dictionary and the set
consisting of all the other elements - (property inspector, palette, menu
bar) on different desktops.  This was one of the things driving one to Geany
as a program editor, at least it would go where it was put and stay there.

Peter



Bernard Devlin-2 wrote:
 
 Peter, can you just explain this.  In my experience on Fedora the multiple
 desktops don't work properly.  I find that portions of Rev (message box,
 toolbar, etc) will appear on other desktops, and not on the desktop I
 placed
 them on.  I didn't even expect this to work, so didn't log it as a bug.
 It sounds like you are having a different experience.  I'd be grateful if
 you'd confirm that.
 
 Bernard
 
 On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 5:51 AM, Peter Alcibiades 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

 The big UI deal is that multiple desktops now work as they are supposed
 to


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Re: RR in Wine

2008-10-02 Thread Mikey
I'm fascinated that Ubuntu is that much different than Debian.  I've
only used a few distros (I'm currently screwing around with HH in
Ubuntu, so I haven't played that much with some of the lesser-known
ones.

So Do you use KDE instead of Gnome?

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Re: Standalone Saving Woes

2008-10-02 Thread Chipp Walters
Not that this is an answer to your question, but why are you creating
so many standalones?

I typically create a single standalone for all of my in-development
projects, which acts as a splash stack and auto-updater for my main
stacks which are essentially the bulk of the programming (plus any
plugins which may go with it).

Just a suggestion.
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ANN: Pointer Tooltip 2.1

2008-10-02 Thread Mark Schonewille

Dear Revolution users,

A new version of the Pointer Tooltip plugin for Revolution is now  
available.


The Pointer Tooltip plug-in shows the long names of objects, such as  
fields and buttons, in a multi-line tooltip, while the pointer tool is  
selected. Save the plug-in in your Revolution plug-ins folder before  
you start Revolution, choose RevPointerTooltip from the Plug-ins menu,  
and click the checkbox to turn it on.


This version is optimised for Rev 3.0. A new feature is the addition  
of the ID number after the long object name.


You can download this plug-in at  http://economy-x-talk.com (click  
on the Developers button on the left).


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Re: ANN: Pointer Tooltip 2.1

2008-10-02 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins
Mark, real neat, but it shows so much information so quickly that for  
guys like me it's almost useless. Any chance to make it so that  
holding down, say the option key when pointing at an object would put  
that information in the msg box? Or maybe have some preference that  
would cause that to happen?


TIA,

Joe Wilkins

On Oct 2, 2008, at 7:20 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

A new version of the Pointer Tooltip plugin for Revolution is now  
available.


The Pointer Tooltip plug-in shows the long names of objects, such as  
fields and buttons, in a multi-line tooltip, while the pointer tool  
is selected. Save the plug-in in your Revolution plug-ins folder  
before you start Revolution, choose RevPointerTooltip from the Plug- 
ins menu, and click the checkbox to turn it on.


This version is optimised for Rev 3.0. A new feature is the addition  
of the ID number after the long object name.


You can download this plug-in at  http://economy-x-talk.com (click  
on the Developers button on the left).


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Mark Schonewille





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